On 2024-06-11 4:59 p.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-06-11 11:16 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-06-11 8:20 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 03:12:03 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump should learn when NOT to talk. He'll never let even the smallest
>>>>>>> slight slide off his back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Coulter got it right -- what we need is Trumpism without Trump.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck defining "Trumpism" :-D
>>>>
>>>> The belief that a politician should put the interests of the country and
>>>> its people ahead of those of foreigners.
>>>
>>> :-D That's just pandering to the yokels.
>>>
>>> The only interests Trump cares about are his own interests.
>>
>> Honestly, a lot of people would agree with you. My question is whether
>> you believe that because you have concrete examples to cite or whether
>> because the media told you to.
>
> Well, any source one gets information from, if not scientific or otherwise
> official, can be considered "the media". They all have an agenda, which forces
> one to try to correlate multiple media.
>
> After awhile, you can get a sense of when some article is trustworthy,
> incomplete, or batshit crazy. For the mainstream media (not including Fox
> News), the constant incompleteness is what drives me ape.

All American media is garbage, in my opinion.

>> I am a fan of David Knight who points to
>> specific examples of how he didn't fit the bill as a conservative
>> president, but he's a libertarian so you know that no one would ever
>> make him happy.
>
> I don't think anyone can ever pin Trump down. He does/says whatever is
> expedient for him at any given moment, even if radically different from
> his past actions/statements; he's a weather vane. Plus, he tends to
> go off on unhinged tangents.

My biggest problem with him is how easily he throws every one of his
allies under the bus. He has no loyalty to anyone but expects them to be
loyal to him.

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rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 07:27:17 -0500, chrisv wrote:
>> rbowman wrote:
>>> RonB wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Trump should learn when NOT to talk. He'll never let even the smallest
>>>> slight slide off his back.
>>>
>>> Coulter got it right -- what we need is Trumpism without Trump.
>>
>> If he would have stepped-back and campaigned for the younger, more
>> capable Ron DeSantis, he could have gone-down as a great American.
>
>I think DeSantis would be a hard sell. Trump should have been grooming his
>successor but I have no idea who that would be.

If you guys really think DeSantis is capable of being elected, I mean,
dream the fuck on, yo, that is laughable. I'm not saying Newsom is
electable as president, either, though, it goes both ways. You can't
project FL or CA into the entire country. You need a figure who's not
glued to a state's ways.

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Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 10:16:45 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> I've watched people affiliated with the left-wing parties go from loving
>> to despising Israel on a dime. It's embarrassing how easy it is to get
>> them to change their mind as long as they believe that "the Party"
>> requires one position rather than another. They must be the inspiration
>> for the yelling cretins in Nineteen Eighty-Four.
>
>It is reminiscent of the severe whiplash in CPUSA members as the word came
>down in what they believed. The far right has a problem too. They've been
>concerned about the influence of AIPAC and other groups and the amount of
>aid given to Israel for decades. otoh, unlike the confused Fags for Gaza
>types, they hate the Moslems too.

Israel deserves whatever it gets. I'm a "fag for Gaza" because I am
not in Gaza, I'm not subject to their homo/transphobia, it's
irrelevant, I'm not going to cheer on the fucking IDF because of it.

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Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 16:59:22 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After awhile, you can get a sense of when some article is trustworthy,
> incomplete, or batshit crazy. For the mainstream media (not including
> Fox News), the constant incompleteness is what drives me ape.

The five minute attention span is what gets to me. Very few things that
are worth reporting have the lifespan of a mayfly but there is seldom a
follow-up unless there is another click bait headline possibility.

On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 17:51:10 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> My biggest problem with him is how easily he throws every one of his
> allies under the bus. He has no loyalty to anyone but expects them to be
> loyal to him.

My problem is his penchant for picking 'allies' that need to be run over
by a bus. He can't even pick an honest whore.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 16:59:22 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> After awhile, you can get a sense of when some article is trustworthy,
>> incomplete, or batshit crazy. For the mainstream media (not including
>> Fox News), the constant incompleteness is what drives me ape.
>
>The five minute attention span is what gets to me. Very few things that
>are worth reporting have the lifespan of a mayfly but there is seldom a
>follow-up unless there is another click bait headline possibility.

The only TV news I will deal with is PBS, fuck any of the commercial
networks, especially on cable TV, ugh.

--
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Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 17:01:57 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>> I think DeSantis would be a hard sell. Trump should have been grooming
>> his successor but I have no idea who that would be.
>
> Ivanka.
>
> :-D

Ivanka might be marginally okay but that Kushner weasel should have been
found in Fort March Park.

On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 17:49:55 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> The only position conservatives should have is "what is best for the
> people in our country?" Honestly, to Hell with Israel. They've received
> a ton of aid for a long time; it's time for them to handle things on
> their own, especially since they act as though they're already handling
> things on their own.

Conservatism gets muddied by the Christian Zionist nutjobs and other one
issue voters. If this were the Weimar Republic I would side with the
Conservative Revolutionaries. They had their dilemmas too and how the
individuals fared after the NSDAP gained power was mixed. Some like Edgar
Jung were killed by the Gestapo, while others kept their heads down. There
are parallels as many supported the idea of a strong leader, just not the
demagogue they wound up with.

On 2024-06-11 6:52 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 17:51:10 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> My biggest problem with him is how easily he throws every one of his
>> allies under the bus. He has no loyalty to anyone but expects them to be
>> loyal to him.
>
> My problem is his penchant for picking 'allies' that need to be run over
> by a bus. He can't even pick an honest whore.

LOL! Absolutely. I'm not sure if he's the one who picks his allies or
whether they are the ones using him to get to their own objectives.
Either way, the American political system has bored me into not paying
too much attention anymore.

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Le 01-06-2024, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
> On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 08:22:43 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Actually, at one point, the only difference between the two was (IIRC) a
>> Registry entry :-D
>
> I have a book, obsolete now, that was a dictionary of the Windows
> Registry. I can't find a current equivalent. There are many keys that
> control behaviors that aren't in the registry. You can create them and set
> the values but first you have to know the key exists.

Yes, the registry was a great idea, the main issue being the
documentation. So everyone used it in creating his own entries without
carrying about the others use, which created a mess very fast.

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Le 02-06-2024, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 08:47:25 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>
>> Did you get personalized feedback that using Caps Lock as Ctrl is
>> extremely idiotic?
>>
>
> Why?
>
> https://www.howtogeek.com/683823/why-does-the-caps-lock-key-exist-and-why-
> was-it-created/
>
> Not only do I not use it for its intended purpose, I sometimes hit it when
> I fat finger an 'a'. That's bad enough when I'm typing text but a complete
> pita when I'm entering a password. Might as well do something useful with
> it.

Yes the [CAPS LOCK] key is the worst key on the keyboard. It's useless
and so well placed one can press it without realising it and messing
things around. I'm using it as [Windows] key, like that it becomes
useful.

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Le 02-06-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
> On 31 May 2024 19:07:52 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> Le 28-05-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
>>>
>>> Would you entrust mission-critical business operations to
>>> obsolete, unsupported software?
>>
>> If it's not broken don't fix it.
>
> The inevitable consequence of that is, you want until it’s broken to try
> to fix it, and discover that you don’t know how to.

Yes, it's why I say that Red Hat is obsolete by design.

But, my orignal message wasn't about the good way to use computers, but
about answering your question.

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Le 02-06-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
> On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 06:34:55 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> On 2024-06-01 12:11 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> You have no idea, do you? There are lots of clips on YouTube showing
>>> off those 1990s-era Unix systems. You want to go educate yourself, or
>>> shall I give you some links?
>>
>> Feel free to do so.
>
> BeOS <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzosnPSETzk> -- not technically a
> “Unix”, but still a good example of a state-of-the-art GUI anyway.

I wanted to use BeOS at the time. But it was designed to run only on a
computer with the good sound card and the good graphic card and
everything else. So, as I couldn't buy a new computer only to use BeOS I
never tried it.

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Le 01-06-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
> On Thu, 30 May 2024 06:33:30 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> Meanwhile, people who high-paying jobs and workplaces are almost always
>> using Windows.
>
> You mean the managers? The pointy-haired boss types?

They don't need Windows, Linux or MacOS. They just read mails and
sometime a browser. Any system would be the same for them. They are on
meeting 24/7 and don't really use their computers.

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Le 02-06-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
>
> And the Linux updates tend to be a lot smaller, for some reason: it’s like
> Windows forces you to download an entire new system install every Patch
> Tuesday.

It depends on your distro. With a rolling distro without differences
between update and upgrades, I agree. With a versioning distro, like
ubuntu, an update is easy, an upgrade can be difficult.

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Le 02-06-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> When you first install Linux, sometimes the first update is bigger than
> Windows updates — it still takes whole lot less time, no matter how big.

It depends on your distro and the way you install it. On a rolling
distro, the first update is very fast, if required. On a versioning
distro, like ubuntu, it will depend on your ISO and the way you install
it. You can ask Ubuntu to update it during installation and it will be
invisible for the end-user. If you have a recent ISO, it will be very
fast.

If you are using an ISO downloaded two years ago and refuse to download
the latest packages during the installation, of course, the first update
will take forever. But it's not the Linux way, it's your way.

Stop considering there is only one way to do things with Linux. It's not
Windows or Mac OS: there are a lot of way to do what you want. Some are
faster/easier than others.

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Le 03-06-2024, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> a écrit :
> I will have to try a Dell in the future,

There are two kind of Dell computers. There is Dell for the companies
which is good. There is Dell for the street people which is crap. Never
buy a Dell by yourself. Maybe it's different with Windows, but with
Linux, it's like that.

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On 2024-06-14 11:01 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 02-06-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
>> On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 06:34:55 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-06-01 12:11 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> You have no idea, do you? There are lots of clips on YouTube showing
>>>> off those 1990s-era Unix systems. You want to go educate yourself, or
>>>> shall I give you some links?
>>>
>>> Feel free to do so.
>>
>> BeOS <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzosnPSETzk> -- not technically a
>> “Unix”, but still a good example of a state-of-the-art GUI anyway.
>
> I wanted to use BeOS at the time. But it was designed to run only on a
> computer with the good sound card and the good graphic card and
> everything else. So, as I couldn't buy a new computer only to use BeOS I
> never tried it.

I remember people at the time saying that BeOS was as much of a leap
forward in the 90s as the Amiga was in the 1980s. Their butt-ugly
BeBoxes were supposed to do things typical x86 machines could only dream
of. When I finally got to use BeOS 5 Personal Edition, I didn't see much
to it. I imagine others didn't see what was so revolutionary either,
explaining why it died quickly thereafter.

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On 6/14/2024 4:37 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> On 2024-06-14 11:01 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>> Le 02-06-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
>>> On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 06:34:55 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-06-01 12:11 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You have no idea, do you? There are lots of clips on YouTube showing
>>>>> off those 1990s-era Unix systems. You want to go educate yourself, or
>>>>> shall I give you some links?
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to do so.
>>>
>>> BeOS <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzosnPSETzk> -- not technically a
>>> “Unix”, but still a good example of a state-of-the-art GUI anyway.
>>
>> I wanted to use BeOS at the time. But it was designed to run only on a
>> computer with the good sound card and the good graphic card and
>> everything else. So, as I couldn't buy a new computer only to use BeOS I
>> never tried it.
>
> I remember people at the time saying that BeOS was as much of a leap
> forward in the 90s as the Amiga was in the 1980s. Their butt-ugly
> BeBoxes were supposed to do things typical x86 machines could only dream
> of. When I finally got to use BeOS 5 Personal Edition, I didn't see much
> to it. I imagine others didn't see what was so revolutionary either,
> explaining why it died quickly thereafter.

Jean-Louis Gassée tried to sell BeOS to Apple for $300,000,000. Can you
imagine the greed? They rejected it. 5 years later he sold the Be Inc.
assets to Palm for $11,000,000.

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> Le 01-06-2024, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
>> On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 08:22:43 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, at one point, the only difference between the two was (IIRC) a
>>> Registry entry :-D
>>
>> I have a book, obsolete now, that was a dictionary of the Windows
>> Registry. I can't find a current equivalent. There are many keys that
>> control behaviors that aren't in the registry. You can create them and set
>> the values but first you have to know the key exists.
>
> Yes, the registry was a great idea, the main issue being the
> documentation. So everyone used it in creating his own entries without
> carrying about the others use, which created a mess very fast.

And it gets larger and larger, and search times increase.

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> Le 02-06-2024, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 08:47:25 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Did you get personalized feedback that using Caps Lock as Ctrl is
>>> extremely idiotic?
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> https://www.howtogeek.com/683823/why-does-the-caps-lock-key-exist-and-why-
>> was-it-created/
>>
>> Not only do I not use it for its intended purpose, I sometimes hit it when
>> I fat finger an 'a'. That's bad enough when I'm typing text but a complete
>> pita when I'm entering a password. Might as well do something useful with
>> it.
>
> Yes the [CAPS LOCK] key is the worst key on the keyboard. It's useless
> and so well placed one can press it without realising it and messing
> things around. I'm using it as [Windows] key, like that it becomes
> useful.

My .xsession sets "setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps" and then calls this github
app to allow using the left ctrl key as Esc upon release:

xcape

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> Le 01-06-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
>> On Thu, 30 May 2024 06:33:30 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> Meanwhile, people who high-paying jobs and workplaces are almost always
>>> using Windows.
>>
>> You mean the managers? The pointy-haired boss types?
>
> They don't need Windows, Linux or MacOS. They just read mails and
> sometime a browser. Any system would be the same for them. They are on
> meeting 24/7 and don't really use their computers.

Indeed. Though the Teams and Outlook and Calender crap are important to them.

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Le 14-06-2024, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :
> Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> Le 01-06-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
>>> On Thu, 30 May 2024 06:33:30 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, people who high-paying jobs and workplaces are almost always
>>>> using Windows.
>>>
>>> You mean the managers? The pointy-haired boss types?
>>
>> They don't need Windows, Linux or MacOS. They just read mails and
>> sometime a browser. Any system would be the same for them. They are on
>> meeting 24/7 and don't really use their computers.
>
> Indeed. Though the Teams and Outlook and Calender crap are important to them.

For Teams and Outlook, yes, but they can be used with any OS. For
calendar, others managed it for them.

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Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote at 15:01 this Friday (GMT):
> Le 02-06-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
>> On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 06:34:55 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-06-01 12:11 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> You have no idea, do you? There are lots of clips on YouTube showing
>>>> off those 1990s-era Unix systems. You want to go educate yourself, or
>>>> shall I give you some links?
>>>
>>> Feel free to do so.
>>
>> BeOS <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzosnPSETzk> -- not technically a
>> “Unix”, but still a good example of a state-of-the-art GUI anyway.
>
> I wanted to use BeOS at the time. But it was designed to run only on a
> computer with the good sound card and the good graphic card and
> everything else. So, as I couldn't buy a new computer only to use BeOS I
> never tried it.

BeOS is pretty interesting from what I've gotten to use it for.
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On 2024-06-14 5:56 p.m., DFS wrote:
> On 6/14/2024 4:37 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> On 2024-06-14 11:01 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>> Le 02-06-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
>>>> On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 06:34:55 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-06-01 12:11 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You have no idea, do you? There are lots of clips on YouTube showing
>>>>>> off those 1990s-era Unix systems. You want to go educate yourself, or
>>>>>> shall I give you some links?
>>>>>
>>>>> Feel free to do so.
>>>>
>>>> BeOS <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzosnPSETzk> -- not technically a
>>>> “Unix”, but still a good example of a state-of-the-art GUI anyway.
>>>
>>> I wanted to use BeOS at the time. But it was designed to run only on a
>>> computer with the good sound card and the good graphic card and
>>> everything else. So, as I couldn't buy a new computer only to use BeOS I
>>> never tried it.
>>
>> I remember people at the time saying that BeOS was as much of a leap
>> forward in the 90s as the Amiga was in the 1980s. Their butt-ugly
>> BeBoxes were supposed to do things typical x86 machines could only
>> dream of. When I finally got to use BeOS 5 Personal Edition, I didn't
>> see much to it. I imagine others didn't see what was so revolutionary
>> either, explaining why it died quickly thereafter.
>
>
> Jean-Louis Gassée tried to sell BeOS to Apple for $300,000,000.  Can you
> imagine the greed?  They rejected it.  5 years later he sold the Be Inc.
> assets to Palm for $11,000,000.

As far as I know, Apple was interested in the initial price and Gassée
increased the price at the last minute. Had he not pulled such a move,
Apple would have had a new operating system for their machines but Jobs
might never have rejoined the company to save it from bankruptcy.
Apple's decision to buy NeXT came from their need for the kind of
operating system that failed company had to offer.

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