On 2024-06-07 7:22 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 13:31:56 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/4/2024 7:36 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> Remember, the big advance in Windows 95 was in actually having a
>>>> “Start” menu for the first time.
>>>
>>> Another feature for bereft-of-ideas GuhNoo/FOSS copycats to clone.
>>
>> *nix systems had application menus some years before that. Remember they
>> had GUIs before Microsoft Windows even existed.
>
> Heh, I remember seeing a demo of Windows 1 (1985). It was shit compared
> to the Atari ST.

Considering the timeline, I would have to agree that what Microsoft was
presenting as a GUI was quite primitive in comparison not only to the
Atari ST but to Amiga's Kickstart. The fact that they were able to
generate even mild interest in Windows 2 is rather shocking.

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On 2024-06-07 8:41 a.m., DFS wrote:
> On 6/7/2024 7:22 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 13:31:56 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/4/2024 7:36 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Remember, the big advance in Windows 95 was in actually having a
>>>>> “Start” menu for the first time.
>>>>
>>>> Another feature for bereft-of-ideas GuhNoo/FOSS copycats to clone.
>>>
>>> *nix systems had application menus some years before that. Remember they
>>> had GUIs before Microsoft Windows even existed.
>>
>> Heh, I remember seeing a demo of Windows 1 (1985). It was shit compared
>> to the Atari ST.
>
>
> That was before Windows gave you a career and a house and a wife.

Does his wife blue screen a lot?

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On 2024-06-08 8:56 a.m., DFS wrote:
> On 6/7/2024 8:58 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 10:05:30 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> I want to see if it becomes a pain in the ass.
>>
>> But you’re already inured, desensitized, numbed after years, decades of
>> suff^H^H^H^Husing Windows. So how would you know when it becomes a
>> pain in
>> a normal person’s arse?
>
>
> Since you don't run Windows you don't know how unobtrusive Windows
> Updates actually are.
>
> I don't recall ever once being interrupted by Windows telling me it has
> to install an update right now (or giving a non-dismissable countdown eg
> 30s to install an update and reboot).
>
> That kind of interruption and reboot would be my pita test.

Admittedly, Windows has gotten pretty good with the updates to a point
that it doesn't really bother you with new ones. If you're like my wife,
you never do any and don't even realize that there are updates to be
done. It will eventually force you, especially if there are 0-days being
actively exploited, but it won't take up your work day or anything of
the sort unless you're the type to restart every five minutes. Start the
computer at 8am, shut it down at 5pm and it _might_ stay on to do an update.

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TG: @AndrzejMatuch
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> On 2024-06-08 8:56 a.m., DFS wrote:
>> On 6/7/2024 8:58 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 10:05:30 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> I want to see if it becomes a pain in the ass.
>>>
>>> But you’re already inured, desensitized, numbed after years, decades
>>> of suff^H^H^H^Husing Windows. So how would you know when it becomes a
>>> pain in a normal person’s arse?
>>
>>
>> Since you don't run Windows you don't know how unobtrusive Windows
>> Updates actually are.
>>
>> I don't recall ever once being interrupted by Windows telling me it has
>> to install an update right now (or giving a non-dismissable countdown
>> eg 30s to install an update and reboot).
>>
>> That kind of interruption and reboot would be my pita test.
>
> Admittedly, Windows has gotten pretty good with the updates to a point
> that it doesn't really bother you with new ones. If you're like my wife,
> you never do any and don't even realize that there are updates to be
> done. It will eventually force you, especially if there are 0-days being
> actively exploited, but it won't take up your work day or anything of
> the sort unless you're the type to restart every five minutes. Start the
> computer at 8am, shut it down at 5pm and it _might_ stay on to do an
> update.

Or you go to do a presentation, turn on your laptop, and it starts
finishing an update.

Windows. What a country.

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On 2024-06-09 9:08 p.m., vallor wrote:
>> On 2024-06-08 8:56 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>> On 6/7/2024 8:58 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 10:05:30 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I want to see if it becomes a pain in the ass.
>>>>
>>>> But you’re already inured, desensitized, numbed after years, decades
>>>> of suff^H^H^H^Husing Windows. So how would you know when it becomes a
>>>> pain in a normal person’s arse?
>>>
>>>
>>> Since you don't run Windows you don't know how unobtrusive Windows
>>> Updates actually are.
>>>
>>> I don't recall ever once being interrupted by Windows telling me it has
>>> to install an update right now (or giving a non-dismissable countdown
>>> eg 30s to install an update and reboot).
>>>
>>> That kind of interruption and reboot would be my pita test.
>>
>> Admittedly, Windows has gotten pretty good with the updates to a point
>> that it doesn't really bother you with new ones. If you're like my wife,
>> you never do any and don't even realize that there are updates to be
>> done. It will eventually force you, especially if there are 0-days being
>> actively exploited, but it won't take up your work day or anything of
>> the sort unless you're the type to restart every five minutes. Start the
>> computer at 8am, shut it down at 5pm and it _might_ stay on to do an
>> update.
>
> Or you go to do a presentation, turn on your laptop, and it starts
> finishing an update.
>
> Windows. What a country.

Yeah, that is definitely a problem I've seen on many occasions in the
past. I suppose that the only solution would be for them to work out a
way for updates to always happen in the background, regardless of how
big or small they are. The ones that take over your screen and prevent
you from doing anything else need to be phased out though I noticed that
Nobara (and hence Fedora) also went in that direction for some reason.

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TG: @AndrzejMatuch
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> On 2024-06-08 8:56 a.m., DFS wrote:
>> On 6/7/2024 8:58 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 10:05:30 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> I want to see if it becomes a pain in the ass.
>>>
>>> But you’re already inured, desensitized, numbed after years, decades of
>>> suff^H^H^H^Husing Windows. So how would you know when it becomes a
>>> pain in
>>> a normal person’s arse?
>>
>>
>> Since you don't run Windows you don't know how unobtrusive Windows
>> Updates actually are.
>>
>> I don't recall ever once being interrupted by Windows telling me it has
>> to install an update right now (or giving a non-dismissable countdown eg
>> 30s to install an update and reboot).
>>
>> That kind of interruption and reboot would be my pita test.
>
> Admittedly, Windows has gotten pretty good with the updates to a point
> that it doesn't really bother you with new ones. If you're like my wife,
> you never do any and don't even realize that there are updates to be
> done. It will eventually force you, especially if there are 0-days being
> actively exploited, but it won't take up your work day or anything of
> the sort unless you're the type to restart every five minutes. Start the
> computer at 8am, shut it down at 5pm and it _might_ stay on to do an update.

On my work laptop, if I saw a prompt to update ("Your computer will restart to
do an update in 18:43" or somesuch) I would just go ahead and restart it before
even thinking about working.

Otherwise I might forget and get kicked off in the middle of an edit; or at
least that was my fear.

Get the agony over with, as they say.

--
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-- Christopher Marlowe

On 2024-06-10 7:57 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-06-08 8:56 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>> On 6/7/2024 8:58 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 10:05:30 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I want to see if it becomes a pain in the ass.
>>>>
>>>> But you’re already inured, desensitized, numbed after years, decades of
>>>> suff^H^H^H^Husing Windows. So how would you know when it becomes a
>>>> pain in
>>>> a normal person’s arse?
>>>
>>>
>>> Since you don't run Windows you don't know how unobtrusive Windows
>>> Updates actually are.
>>>
>>> I don't recall ever once being interrupted by Windows telling me it has
>>> to install an update right now (or giving a non-dismissable countdown eg
>>> 30s to install an update and reboot).
>>>
>>> That kind of interruption and reboot would be my pita test.
>>
>> Admittedly, Windows has gotten pretty good with the updates to a point
>> that it doesn't really bother you with new ones. If you're like my wife,
>> you never do any and don't even realize that there are updates to be
>> done. It will eventually force you, especially if there are 0-days being
>> actively exploited, but it won't take up your work day or anything of
>> the sort unless you're the type to restart every five minutes. Start the
>> computer at 8am, shut it down at 5pm and it _might_ stay on to do an update.
>
> On my work laptop, if I saw a prompt to update ("Your computer will restart to
> do an update in 18:43" or somesuch) I would just go ahead and restart it before
> even thinking about working.
>
> Otherwise I might forget and get kicked off in the middle of an edit; or at
> least that was my fear.
>
> Get the agony over with, as they say.

I'm with you on that one. If it warns me to do one, I just go ahead and
do it not only because I know that it will eventually annoy me, but also
because there is a slight chance that if not updated, I'll stumble upon
a site that is already taking advantage of whatever exploit Microsoft
published. I don't wait around for the updates to be forced which is
also why I often end up getting those growing pains where my system
becomes unbootable as a result of something the company never tested.
Fortunately, it doesn't happen often in Windows 11 but 10 was an
absolute nightmare for such things.

--
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> On 2024-06-07 8:41 a.m., DFS wrote:
>> On 6/7/2024 7:22 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 13:31:56 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/4/2024 7:36 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember, the big advance in Windows 95 was in actually having a
>>>>>> “Start” menu for the first time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another feature for bereft-of-ideas GuhNoo/FOSS copycats to clone.
>>>>
>>>> *nix systems had application menus some years before that. Remember they
>>>> had GUIs before Microsoft Windows even existed.
>>>
>>> Heh, I remember seeing a demo of Windows 1 (1985). It was shit compared
>>> to the Atari ST.
>>
>> That was before Windows gave you a career and a house and a wife.

Asinine.

My career actually got started on a PDP-11 and a DEC-10. Then a
VIC-20/C-64. Then an Atari ST. Then a Sun. Then DOS.

It's not my fault that Billy's cheap crap was popular with PHBs.

> Does his wife blue screen a lot?

DFS sure knows a lot about blue screens.

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On 2024-06-10 8:28 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-06-07 8:41 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>> On 6/7/2024 7:22 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 13:31:56 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/4/2024 7:36 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Remember, the big advance in Windows 95 was in actually having a
>>>>>>> “Start” menu for the first time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another feature for bereft-of-ideas GuhNoo/FOSS copycats to clone.
>>>>>
>>>>> *nix systems had application menus some years before that. Remember they
>>>>> had GUIs before Microsoft Windows even existed.
>>>>
>>>> Heh, I remember seeing a demo of Windows 1 (1985). It was shit compared
>>>> to the Atari ST.
>>>
>>> That was before Windows gave you a career and a house and a wife.
>
> Asinine.
>
> My career actually got started on a PDP-11 and a DEC-10. Then a
> VIC-20/C-64. Then an Atari ST. Then a Sun. Then DOS.

Did you enjoy the ST? I always get the impression that had I owned a
computer other than a cheap TI994/A back then, I would have been in love
with the ST. The Amiga was clearly better, but the Atari name still held
some weight back then.

> It's not my fault that Billy's cheap crap was popular with PHBs.

I guess I'm ignorant here. What's a PHB?

>> Does his wife blue screen a lot?
>
> DFS sure knows a lot about blue screens.

And there is no doubt that he's faced a few too.

--
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TG: @AndrzejMatuch
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> On 2024-06-10 8:28 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-06-07 8:41 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>>> On 6/7/2024 7:22 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
>>>>> royalties:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 13:31:56 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/4/2024 7:36 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Remember, the big advance in Windows 95 was in actually having a
>>>>>>>> “Start” menu for the first time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another feature for bereft-of-ideas GuhNoo/FOSS copycats to clone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *nix systems had application menus some years before that. Remember
>>>>>> they had GUIs before Microsoft Windows even existed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Heh, I remember seeing a demo of Windows 1 (1985). It was shit
>>>>> compared to the Atari ST.
>>>>
>>>> That was before Windows gave you a career and a house and a wife.
>>
>> Asinine.
>>
>> My career actually got started on a PDP-11 and a DEC-10. Then a
>> VIC-20/C-64. Then an Atari ST. Then a Sun. Then DOS.
>
> Did you enjoy the ST? I always get the impression that had I owned a
> computer other than a cheap TI994/A back then, I would have been in love
> with the ST. The Amiga was clearly better, but the Atari name still held
> some weight back then.
>
>> It's not my fault that Billy's cheap crap was popular with PHBs.
>
> I guess I'm ignorant here. What's a PHB?

Pointy-Haired Boss, from the world of Dilbert.[*]

But that's not why I'm writing...

>
>>> Does his wife blue screen a lot?
>>
>> DFS sure knows a lot about blue screens.
>
> And there is no doubt that he's faced a few too.

I move he be nicknamed "Blue-screen Bob".

[*] I remember reading Scott Adam's book that ended with
the chapter on "affirmations". Sometimes that guy isn't
all there.

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Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-06-10 8:28 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-06-07 8:41 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>>> On 6/7/2024 7:22 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 13:31:56 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/4/2024 7:36 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Remember, the big advance in Windows 95 was in actually having a
>>>>>>>> “Start” menu for the first time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another feature for bereft-of-ideas GuhNoo/FOSS copycats to clone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *nix systems had application menus some years before that. Remember they
>>>>>> had GUIs before Microsoft Windows even existed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Heh, I remember seeing a demo of Windows 1 (1985). It was shit compared
>>>>> to the Atari ST.
>>>>
>>>> That was before Windows gave you a career and a house and a wife.
>>
>> Asinine.
>>
>> My career actually got started on a PDP-11 and a DEC-10. Then a
>> VIC-20/C-64. Then an Atari ST. Then a Sun. Then DOS.
>
> Did you enjoy the ST? I always get the impression that had I owned a
> computer other than a cheap TI994/A back then, I would have been in love
> with the ST. The Amiga was clearly better, but the Atari name still held
> some weight back then.

I got an ST pretty much as soon as they came out. Bought it and an Atari
printer at Toys 'R Us.

Bought the monochrome monitor laters from a local computer shop. The
proprietor was annoyed that I bought computer at Toys.

The MIDI port on the ST got me started in that direction.

>> It's not my fault that Billy's cheap crap was popular with PHBs.
>
> I guess I'm ignorant here. What's a PHB?

Pointy-Haired Boss, the dumbass boss of the Dilbert comic.

>>> Does his wife blue screen a lot?
>>
>> DFS sure knows a lot about blue screens.
>
> And there is no doubt that he's faced a few too.

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vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

>> On 2024-06-10 8:28 a.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-06-07 8:41 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>>>> On 6/7/2024 7:22 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
>>>>>> royalties:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 13:31:56 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2024 7:36 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Remember, the big advance in Windows 95 was in actually having a
>>>>>>>>> “Start” menu for the first time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another feature for bereft-of-ideas GuhNoo/FOSS copycats to clone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *nix systems had application menus some years before that. Remember
>>>>>>> they had GUIs before Microsoft Windows even existed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Heh, I remember seeing a demo of Windows 1 (1985). It was shit
>>>>>> compared to the Atari ST.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was before Windows gave you a career and a house and a wife.
>>>
>>> Asinine.
>>>
>>> My career actually got started on a PDP-11 and a DEC-10. Then a
>>> VIC-20/C-64. Then an Atari ST. Then a Sun. Then DOS.
>>
>> Did you enjoy the ST? I always get the impression that had I owned a
>> computer other than a cheap TI994/A back then, I would have been in love
>> with the ST. The Amiga was clearly better, but the Atari name still held
>> some weight back then.
>>
>>> It's not my fault that Billy's cheap crap was popular with PHBs.
>>
>> I guess I'm ignorant here. What's a PHB?
>
> Pointy-Haired Boss, from the world of Dilbert.[*]
>
> But that's not why I'm writing...
>
>>
>>>> Does his wife blue screen a lot?
>>>
>>> DFS sure knows a lot about blue screens.
>>
>> And there is no doubt that he's faced a few too.
>
> I move he be nicknamed "Blue-screen Bob".
>
> [*] I remember reading Scott Adam's book that ended with
> the chapter on "affirmations". Sometimes that guy isn't
> all there.

I went to his site a few months ago (after his rant got his comic dropped by
many newspapers). Mmmmmmkayyyy.

--
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new lover.

On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 10:43:03 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> I went to his site a few months ago (after his rant got his comic
> dropped by many newspapers). Mmmmmmkayyyy.

He's on X and can be interesting. In 2016 he predicted Trump would win
based on his use of media and framing. At that time my impression was he
was neutral, not taking a side. He is not on the fence these days.

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> vallor wrote:
>>
>> [*] I remember reading Scott Adam's book that ended with
>> the chapter on "affirmations". Sometimes that guy isn't
>> all there.

He's a comedic genius, though.

>I went to his site a few months ago (after his rant got his comic dropped by
>many newspapers). Mmmmmmkayyyy.

Reverse the races, and he'd still have his job.

--
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faults in Linux" - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 10:43:03 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> I went to his site a few months ago (after his rant got his comic
>> dropped by many newspapers). Mmmmmmkayyyy.
>
> He's on X and can be interesting. In 2016 he predicted Trump would win
> based on his use of media and framing. At that time my impression was he
> was neutral, not taking a side. He is not on the fence these days.

Old age tends to swing one rightward.

I remember him calling Trump a "monster" (and Hillary a "dumpster fire").
I also remember him saying Trump's statements were compelling.

Personally, I think Trump is cracked.

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chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> vallor wrote:
>>>
>>> [*] I remember reading Scott Adam's book that ended with
>>> the chapter on "affirmations". Sometimes that guy isn't
>>> all there.
>
> He's a comedic genius, though.
>
>>I went to his site a few months ago (after his rant got his comic dropped by
>>many newspapers). Mmmmmmkayyyy.
>
> Reverse the races, and he'd still have his job.

Probably, but the situations are not symmetric. He never would have said the
reverse, though.

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whereon my soul is grooved to run. Over unsounded gorges, through
the rifled hearts of mountains, under torrents' beds, unerringly I rush!
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On 2024-06-10 2:50 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 10:43:03 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> I went to his site a few months ago (after his rant got his comic
>> dropped by many newspapers). Mmmmmmkayyyy.
>
> He's on X and can be interesting. In 2016 he predicted Trump would win
> based on his use of media and framing. At that time my impression was he
> was neutral, not taking a side. He is not on the fence these days.

Given what he's seen the Democrats and their allies do over the last
decade, I don't blame him for being disgusted and moving away from that
side.

--
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TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-06-10 3:28 p.m., chrisv wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> vallor wrote:
>>>
>>> [*] I remember reading Scott Adam's book that ended with
>>> the chapter on "affirmations". Sometimes that guy isn't
>>> all there.
>
> He's a comedic genius, though.
>
>> I went to his site a few months ago (after his rant got his comic dropped by
>> many newspapers). Mmmmmmkayyyy.
>
> Reverse the races, and he'd still have his job.

Say it with me: White privilege!

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TG: @AndrzejMatuch
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On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 16:07:50 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 10:43:03 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> I went to his site a few months ago (after his rant got his comic
>>> dropped by many newspapers). Mmmmmmkayyyy.
>>
>> He's on X and can be interesting. In 2016 he predicted Trump would win
>> based on his use of media and framing. At that time my impression was
>> he was neutral, not taking a side. He is not on the fence these days.
>
> Old age tends to swing one rightward.

Maybe. otoh I was 16 or so when I went to a JBS meeting and they seemed a
little left wing to me or I should say Welch was willfully blind to some
problems.

> I remember him calling Trump a "monster" (and Hillary a "dumpster
> fire").
> I also remember him saying Trump's statements were compelling.
>
> Personally, I think Trump is cracked.

I don't like the NYC style but I'm familiar with it so some of his antics
aren't that disturbing. I haven't cared for Hillary since she crawled out
of the Arkansas swamp. Bill has a certain charm; she doesn't.

The one I found interesting is Ann Coulter. She makes no bones about being
a shit-stirrer but she was one of the few people to support Trump early in
the campaign. By the same token she had no problem attacking him when he
didn't deliver.

On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 16:09:32 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Probably, but the situations are not symmetric. He never would have said
> the reverse, though.

The best humor is grounded in reality.

On 2024-06-11, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 16:07:50 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 10:43:03 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> I went to his site a few months ago (after his rant got his comic
>>>> dropped by many newspapers). Mmmmmmkayyyy.
>>>
>>> He's on X and can be interesting. In 2016 he predicted Trump would win
>>> based on his use of media and framing. At that time my impression was
>>> he was neutral, not taking a side. He is not on the fence these days.
>>
>> Old age tends to swing one rightward.
>
> Maybe. otoh I was 16 or so when I went to a JBS meeting and they seemed a
> little left wing to me or I should say Welch was willfully blind to some
> problems.
>
>
>> I remember him calling Trump a "monster" (and Hillary a "dumpster
>> fire").
>> I also remember him saying Trump's statements were compelling.
>>
>> Personally, I think Trump is cracked.
>
> I don't like the NYC style but I'm familiar with it so some of his antics
> aren't that disturbing. I haven't cared for Hillary since she crawled out
> of the Arkansas swamp. Bill has a certain charm; she doesn't.

Hillary is a reptile.

Trump should learn when NOT to talk. He'll never let even the smallest
slight slide off his back.

> The one I found interesting is Ann Coulter. She makes no bones about being
> a shit-stirrer but she was one of the few people to support Trump early in
> the campaign. By the same token she had no problem attacking him when he
> didn't deliver.
>
>
>
>
>

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[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-06-10, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> vallor wrote:
>>>
>>> [*] I remember reading Scott Adam's book that ended with
>>> the chapter on "affirmations". Sometimes that guy isn't
>>> all there.
>
> He's a comedic genius, though.
>
>>I went to his site a few months ago (after his rant got his comic dropped by
>>many newspapers). Mmmmmmkayyyy.
>
> Reverse the races, and he'd still have his job.

Don't you love the way the "cancel culture-ists" celebrate shutting down
free speech, while simultaneously accusing Trump and his followers of
"attacking the Constitution."

Hypocrisy is strong in the Woke Cultists.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-06-11, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 16:09:32 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Probably, but the situations are not symmetric. He never would have said
>> the reverse, though.
>
> The best humor is grounded in reality.

Satire depends on truth. That's why Woke "comedy" is not funny. Their
sophomoric humor only appeals to those gullible enough to believe their
Woke lies.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 03:12:03 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Trump should learn when NOT to talk. He'll never let even the smallest
> slight slide off his back.

Coulter got it right -- what we need is Trumpism without Trump.

On 2024-06-10 11:18 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-06-10, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> vallor wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [*] I remember reading Scott Adam's book that ended with
>>>> the chapter on "affirmations". Sometimes that guy isn't
>>>> all there.
>>
>> He's a comedic genius, though.
>>
>>> I went to his site a few months ago (after his rant got his comic dropped by
>>> many newspapers). Mmmmmmkayyyy.
>>
>> Reverse the races, and he'd still have his job.
>
> Don't you love the way the "cancel culture-ists" celebrate shutting down
> free speech, while simultaneously accusing Trump and his followers of
> "attacking the Constitution."
>
> Hypocrisy is strong in the Woke Cultists.

Free speech is only acceptable if it echoes whatever they believe.

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Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.