On 2024-05-27 10:31 a.m., Relf wrote:
> Re: Lenovo.COM/us/en/glossary/workstation-vs-desktop-business/
>
> Creating CGI requires max compute, hence workstations.
>
> The latest Microsoft Surface Pro(tm) laptops, with their Copilot+ NPU's,
> might be considered workstations, if they weren't dedicated to snitching.

All that horsepower, enabling the Five Eyes Alliance to know everything
about every one of us.

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TG: @AndrzejMatuch
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DFS asked me: Why are you here, in cola ?

COLA makes me feel better, comparatively.

Me in 2003 ( Bailo, COLA, "sci.physics" & "seattle.general" ):
https://groups.google.com/search/conversations?q=Relf+Linux-Advocacy+BEFORE:2003/05/30&sortBy=DATE

On 5/27/2024 11:17 AM, Relf wrote:

> DFS asked me: Why are you here, in cola ?
>
> COLA makes me feel better, comparatively.
>
> Me in 2003 ( Bailo, COLA, "sci.physics" & "seattle.general" ):
> https://groups.google.com/search/conversations?q=Relf+Linux-Advocacy+BEFORE:2003/05/30&sortBy=DATE

"Jeff Relf
unread,
May 22, 2003, 1:58:50 AM
to
!(john_Bailo) :
" Dig deep and maybe you will see .

I know it's hard , but dig . "

Ok , I'm digging ... digging ... digging ...

It's a Huge Booger !

I think there's some red in it ."

heh! You were more trollish and lighthearted back then.

On Mon, 27 May 2024 07:12:03 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:

> I poked around Lenovo's site, and unlike the Dell or System76
> workstations, there's no Linux option; they all use "Windows 11 Pro for
> Workstations 64". (I wonder what the "for Workstations" gets you?)
> Memory capacity is also a bit anemic for the high-end systems.

More security? It reminded me of my Windows for Workgroups 3.11 computer
(if it still boots). It actually allowed you to connect to other
computers. Revolutionary!.

On Mon, 27 May 2024 05:17:47 -0400, Joel wrote:

> I would point out, though, that when that explorer.exe process crashes,
> it can restart without restarting the OS or already-running apps.

Unfortunately 'kstart plasmashell' is a handy command to know with the
Fedora 40 KDE spin. It's been improving and I saw another update that I
haven't installed yet.

The plasma people were very proud of bringing back the rotating cube crap
in plasma 6. I'd be happier if it was as stable as plasma 5.

Joel wrote:

>chrisv wrote:
>>
>>The early Japanese DAC's were trash, but the Phillips DAC's were
>>always good.
>
>Intriguing.

Here's some history on the topic:

https://www.dutchaudioclassics.nl/the_evolution_of_dac_the_digital_filter/

The key point is the much less aggressive (more gentle slope)
high-pass filtering used with the Phillips design.

>>I mean, if you're listening to a power trio, like Rush, and you can't
>>hardly hear the bass, something went *very* wrong. How the artists
>>allowed their music to be released, in such conditions, is something
>>of a mystery, to me.
>
>I had purchased some older Rush on CD, never thought it was bad, but
>hearing remasters later of course was better.

Hopefully you have always had bass and treble controls on your preamp.
A bass control with at least 10dB of gain, preferably 12dB, is IMO a
requirement, for some of the worst recordings.

Some might question the use of so much equalization, and the
coloration of the midrange that inevitably follows. But when it's
some nasty old live rock and roll recording, "fidelity" is less
important than having some fucking *bass*.

vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:

>"Windows 11 Pro for Workstations 64". (I wonder what the "for
>Workstations" gets you?)

That edition of Windows has a more advanced file system than NTFS.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 23:18 this Sunday (GMT):
> On Sun, 26 May 2024 09:06:43 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>>> I upgraded to Linux from Windows XP.
>>
>> You're in the minority no matter how you spin it.
>
> Where are the Windows XP users? Gone.
>
> Where are the Linux users? More numerous than ever.
>
> Who’s the “minority” now?

I thought some people still use XP..
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Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 01:44 this Sunday (GMT):
> On 2024-05-25 8:58 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 May 2024 15:44:51 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/25/2024 1:11 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> shitv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "So sorry, but Vista is a big sales and financial success for MS - and
>>>>> will shortly finish wiping the floor with Linux and it's 392 free
>>>>> distros." - some dumb fsck
>>>
>>> And it did wipe the floor with Linux ...
>>
>> Sure it did. So “Aero Glass” 3D effects worked really well, did it? To the
>> point where users were filing lawsuits over the confusion between “Vista-
>> capable” and “Vista-ready”.
>>
>> Meanwhile, real-time Compiz effects were running quite comfortably under
>> Linux, on hardware as modest as this Asus Eee 701 with its 900-MHz single-
>> core Celeron, that I still have just nearby.
>
> Meanwhile, if you activated Compiz effects, they ran nice for about ten
> minutes and then caused your windows to turn black. Soon, the entire GUI
> became impossible to use.
>
> Say what you will about Microsoft's effects in Windows, at least they
> were consistent and worked right.

Fair, I had that issue too. Picom works fine and I can live without
the extra cool stuff tho.
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chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote at 01:08 this Sunday (GMT):
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> Slimer wrote:
>>>
>>> I just don't expect [Microsoft] to sacrifice complete control.
>>
>>In the Open Source world, *nobody* has “complete control”. You just have
>>to deal with it.
>
> I think that's Slime's point.

s slime?
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On 2024-05-27 7:25 p.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote at 01:08 this Sunday (GMT):
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I just don't expect [Microsoft] to sacrifice complete control.
>>>
>>> In the Open Source world, *nobody* has “complete control”. You just have
>>> to deal with it.
>>
>> I think that's Slime's point.
>
>
> s slime?

Yep, me. When I first entered the newsgroup, I used the alias I used
since I was sixteen or so.

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TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On Mon, 27 May 2024 05:11:40 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> According to Microsoft’s own research
>> <https://tech.slashdot.org/story/22/02/01/2056211>, a typical
>> Windows PC needs at least eight hours of online time to fully
>> update itself each Patch Tuesday. With a minimum of two hours’
>> uninterrupted connection, just to get started.
>
> It would obviously depend on the speed of one's Internet connection,
> how long it takes to download and install the updates, but the point is
> that you're beginning from a state where the bugs, in the initial
> release and beyond, are resolved.

The assumption would be that you were already caught up on previous
updates.

On Mon, 27 May 2024 23:10:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> I thought some people still use XP..

But for what? Would you entrust mission-critical business operations to
obsolete, unsupported software?

On Mon, 27 May 2024 07:53:13 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> On 2024-05-26 7:18 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 26 May 2024 09:06:43 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>>> I upgraded to Linux from Windows XP.
>>>
>>> You're in the minority no matter how you spin it.
>>
>> Where are the Windows XP users? Gone.
>>
>> Where are the Linux users? More numerous than ever.
>>
>> Who’s the “minority” now?
>
> Linux, still. The XP users went to 7 once they could and upgraded their
> machines.

Really? Windows 7? Is that the best the poor things could do?

On 27 May 2024 17:44:34 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> The plasma people were very proud of bringing back the rotating cube
> crap in plasma 6.

I missed that. It was an easy to thing to bring up, to make a Windows
user’s jaw drop.

On Mon, 27 May 2024 08:42:54 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> I already know that Linux is extremely popular with programmers.
> It's just not popular with most of anyone else.

Funny, most of the dozens of people I do Linux support for are not
programmers/developers.

On Sun, 26 May 2024 23:26:04 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 5/26/2024 7:22 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> Today, only Linux and the BSDs offer “workstation”-class functionality.
>
> [random crap]

Is that the most coherent response you can manage?

On Mon, 27 May 2024 15:54:47 -0400, Joel wrote:

> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>
>> "Windows 11 Pro for Workstations 64". (I wonder what the "for
>> Workstations" gets you?)
>
> That edition of Windows has a more advanced file system than NTFS.

You don’t mean ReFS, do you? I don’t think that’s available much any more,
outside of maybe some legacy “Enterprise” installations. Certainly not on
any off-the-shelf retail machine.

What else can Microsoft offer, besides NTFS? Nothing.

Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 23:53 this Monday (GMT):
> On 2024-05-27 7:25 p.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote at 01:08 this Sunday (GMT):
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I just don't expect [Microsoft] to sacrifice complete control.
>>>>
>>>> In the Open Source world, *nobody* has “complete control”. You just have
>>>> to deal with it.
>>>
>>> I think that's Slime's point.
>>
>>
>> s slime?
>
> Yep, me. When I first entered the newsgroup, I used the alias I used
> since I was sixteen or so.

o oh cool
i like slimes
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 01:32 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On Mon, 27 May 2024 23:10:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> I thought some people still use XP..
>
> But for what? Would you entrust mission-critical business operations to
> obsolete, unsupported software?

No, because it's a good UI and some stuff still works..from what I
heard.
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On Mon, 27 May 2024 23:10:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 23:18 this Sunday (GMT):
>> On Sun, 26 May 2024 09:06:43 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>>> I upgraded to Linux from Windows XP.
>>>
>>> You're in the minority no matter how you spin it.
>>
>> Where are the Windows XP users? Gone.
>>
>> Where are the Linux users? More numerous than ever.
>>
>> Who’s the “minority” now?
>
>
> I thought some people still use XP..

I suppose you could. I was mistaken. The netbook that I put Lubuntu on was
Windoes 7. It still worked but it basically was stuck in amber. Nothing
I'm interested in will install on 7.

I do have an XP machine at work but it is powered down and off the
network. It's an emergency fallback if I ever have to build a mapping
application that requires Visual Studio C++ 6.0.

On Tue, 28 May 2024 01:40:12 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <v33clr$ddl1$9@dont-email.me>:

> On Mon, 27 May 2024 15:54:47 -0400, Joel wrote:
>
>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>
>>> "Windows 11 Pro for Workstations 64". (I wonder what the "for
>>> Workstations" gets you?)
>>
>> That edition of Windows has a more advanced file system than NTFS.
>
> You don’t mean ReFS, do you? I don’t think that’s available much any
> more,
> outside of maybe some legacy “Enterprise” installations. Certainly not
> on any off-the-shelf retail machine.
>
> What else can Microsoft offer, besides NTFS? Nothing.

I looked, and ReFS is in the feature matrix for the "for Workstations"
Windows.

I didn't see much else. Perhaps it's "tuned" with different registry
settings, like the difference between "Home" and "Pro" editions.

Meanwhile, Linux has no such fsckery...

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On 5/27/2024 9:34 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On 27 May 2024 17:44:34 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> The plasma people were very proud of bringing back the rotating cube
>> crap in plasma 6.
>
> I missed that. It was an easy to thing to bring up, to make a Windows
> user’s jaw drop.

More useless, stolen Linux twaddle, cadged from TV graphics and the
Video Toaster.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 02:09 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On Mon, 27 May 2024 23:10:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 23:18 this Sunday (GMT):
>>> On Sun, 26 May 2024 09:06:43 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I upgraded to Linux from Windows XP.
>>>>
>>>> You're in the minority no matter how you spin it.
>>>
>>> Where are the Windows XP users? Gone.
>>>
>>> Where are the Linux users? More numerous than ever.
>>>
>>> Who’s the “minority” now?
>>
>>
>> I thought some people still use XP..
>
> I suppose you could. I was mistaken. The netbook that I put Lubuntu on was
> Windoes 7. It still worked but it basically was stuck in amber. Nothing
> I'm interested in will install on 7.
>
> I do have an XP machine at work but it is powered down and off the
> network. It's an emergency fallback if I ever have to build a mapping
> application that requires Visual Studio C++ 6.0.

Interesting. I have a spare 8.1 laptop in case i wana play ss13 again.
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On Mon, 27 May 2024 22:32:52 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
<66554252$0$6433$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> On 5/27/2024 9:34 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On 27 May 2024 17:44:34 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> The plasma people were very proud of bringing back the rotating cube
>>> crap in plasma 6.
>>
>> I missed that. It was an easy to thing to bring up, to make a Windows
>> user’s jaw drop.
>
> More useless, stolen Linux twaddle, cadged from TV graphics and the
> Video Toaster.

no it's not

it's just semi-obvious effects based on what gpus can do