rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 26 May 2024 23:18:36 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> Where are the Windows XP users? Gone.
>
>Good thing.
>
>https://itc.ua/en/news/a-clean-windows-xp-lasted-10-minutes-on-the-
>internet-before-being-infected-it-was-infected-by-malware-from-russia/
>
>https://www.theregister.com/2004/08/19/infected_in20_minutes/
>
>The Register article is 20 years old but even then they figured the
>average used would be hosed before they could run the updates.

If you install from the ISO with SP3 integrated, I doubt that would
happen. Almost certainly a pre-SP2 installation that those links
refer to. I never had to worry, even though I was installing from an
original CD, because WiFi wasn't supported, so I just installed the
service packs, and then set up Internet, safely.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-05-26, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-26 9:36 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-05-26, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-25 10:01 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 25 May 2024 21:42:34 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-05-25 8:55 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 25 May 2024 07:13:05 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Considering this, third-parties should stop trying to develop for
>>>>>>> Windows and MacOS and try to make their offerings available to
>>>>>>> alternative systems like Linux instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That’s already been happening. Why do you think Microsoft had to bring
>>>>>> out WSL? It was to stem the tide of developers abandoning Windows.
>>>>>
>>>>> In favour of Linux? Give me a break. The absolute desert that is
>>>>> professional software on Linux does not suggest that Microsoft has any
>>>>> reason to worry.
>>>>
>>>> Please define professional software for developers. I want to see what I'm
>>>> missing.
>>>
>>> Software that is fully supported by a company resulting in a product
>>> that doesn't crash and is used to produce high quality content. Products
>>> like Final Cut Pro, DaVinci Resolve, Cinema 4D, Houdini, Lightroom, etc..
>>
>> You're talking about multi-media applications, not development tools.
>
> I said "professional software," it's quoted above. I said nothing of
> development tools.

Okay, then I was the one who was talking about development tools. But the
question you answered was... "Please define professional software for
developers" — so you can see where I got "development tools" mixed in here.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 5/26/2024 7:16 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On 26 May 2024 02:15:31 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> Windows Server 2012 also had the Metro stuff which was particularly
>> stupid for a server.
>
> Because the Windows GUI is so heavily tied into the kernel, there is no
> easy way to ship different versions of it.
>
> Up to the 1990s, the *nix idea of running a separate GUI server actually
> cost it in overhead. But once hardware advances (and suitable X11
> extensions) rendered that point moot, the modularity inherent in this
> approach has demonstrated its flexility in spades.
>
> That’s why Windows will never have this
> <https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/>.

?

Google Image search for
Windows themes and skins

https://hothardware.com/photo-gallery/article/2481?image=big_moshe_a_i__rainmeter_skin_by_moshezeed-d7vefr5.jpg&tag=popup

On 5/26/2024 7:22 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> Today, only Linux and the BSDs offer “workstation”-class functionality.

heh!

Don't forget "Linux is 8X quicker, even for gaming!"

You Linux idiots are something else.

On Mon, 27 May 2024 03:00:55 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:

> I just went to Dell and looked up "Linux Workstation", and this was
> top-of-the-line:
>
> https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop-computers/precision-7960-tower-
workstation/spd/precision-t7960-workstation/xctopt7960usai_vp
>
> I already posted a link to the System76 Thelio.
>
> They are expensive compared to consumer desktops.

Well, Granny probably doesn't need a 28 core Xeon to watch cat videos.
Lenovo has a 96 core Threadripper in case she wants to search for recipes
at the same time.

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/glossary/workstation-vs-desktop-business/

On Mon, 27 May 2024 00:39:35 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

> Windows no longer costs $200. Coincidentally, no one gets in line to buy
> the new version like they did 20 years ago. As always, when demand goes
> down the price goes down.

When the price goes down, profits go down.

And when profits go down, investment in the product goes down.

You see where this is leading? You’ve seen it already, in what is
happening to Windows.

On Sun, 26 May 2024 23:06:25 -0400, Joel wrote:

> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>>The Register article is 20 years old but even then they figured the
>>average used would be hosed before they could run the updates.
>
> If you install from the ISO with SP3 integrated, I doubt that would
> happen.

Then you still have the problem of getting further updates. According to
Microsoft’s own research
<https://tech.slashdot.org/story/22/02/01/2056211>, a typical Windows PC
needs at least eight hours of online time to fully update itself each
Patch Tuesday. With a minimum of two hours’ uninterrupted connection, just
to get started.

On 27 May 2024 06:34:01 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
<lbinqpFj5p4U2@mid.individual.net>:

> On Mon, 27 May 2024 03:00:55 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:
>
>
>> I just went to Dell and looked up "Linux Workstation", and this was
>> top-of-the-line:
>>
>> https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop-computers/precision-7960-tower-
> workstation/spd/precision-t7960-workstation/xctopt7960usai_vp
>>
>> I already posted a link to the System76 Thelio.
>>
>> They are expensive compared to consumer desktops.
>
> Well, Granny probably doesn't need a 28 core Xeon to watch cat videos.
> Lenovo has a 96 core Threadripper in case she wants to search for
> recipes at the same time.
>
> https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/glossary/workstation-vs-desktop-business/

Interesting, thank you for the link.

I poked around Lenovo's site, and unlike the Dell or System76
workstations, there's no Linux option; they all use
"Windows 11 Pro for Workstations 64". (I wonder what the "for
Workstations" gets you?) Memory capacity is also a bit
anemic for the high-end systems.

--
-v

On Sun, 26 May 2024 23:21:43 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 5/26/2024 7:16 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On 26 May 2024 02:15:31 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> Windows Server 2012 also had the Metro stuff which was particularly
>>> stupid for a server.
>>
>> Because the Windows GUI is so heavily tied into the kernel, there is no
>> easy way to ship different versions of it.
>>
>> Up to the 1990s, the *nix idea of running a separate GUI server
>> actually cost it in overhead. But once hardware advances (and suitable
>> X11 extensions) rendered that point moot, the modularity inherent in
>> this approach has demonstrated its flexility in spades.
>>
>> That’s why Windows will never have this
>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/>.
>
> ?
>
> Google Image search for Windows themes and skins
>
> https://hothardware.com/photo-gallery/article/2481?image=big_moshe_a_i__rainmeter_skin_by_moshezeed-d7vefr5.jpg&tag=popup

Mere toys by comparison.

On Sun, 26 May 2024 21:44:25 -0400, Joel wrote:

> ... in fact
> it would be conceivable to replace explorer.exe's main GUI in
> Winblows, M$ or an entity with knowledge of the internals could make
> it happen. There is no big tie-in to the kernel with the start menu,
> or whatever, that's retarded to think.

Yet no-one has succeeded in doing it--not even Microsoft.

On 25 May 2024 22:49:57 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> I'm a minority opinion but MS seems to be more interested in bling that
> real improvements. (looking at you Aero)

Aero disappeared a long time ago, when Microsoft realized it couldn’t keep
up in the bling department with Linux. Not without a horrendous cost in
hardware resource usage, anyway.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Sun, 26 May 2024 23:06:25 -0400, Joel wrote:
>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>
>>>The Register article is 20 years old but even then they figured the
>>>average used would be hosed before they could run the updates.
>>
>> If you install from the ISO with SP3 integrated, I doubt that would
>> happen.
>
>Then you still have the problem of getting further updates. According to
>Microsoft’s own research
><https://tech.slashdot.org/story/22/02/01/2056211>, a typical Windows PC
>needs at least eight hours of online time to fully update itself each
>Patch Tuesday. With a minimum of two hours’ uninterrupted connection, just
>to get started.

It would obviously depend on the speed of one's Internet connection,
how long it takes to download and install the updates, but the point
is that you're beginning from a state where the bugs, in the initial
release and beyond, are resolved.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>> ... in fact
>> it would be conceivable to replace explorer.exe's main GUI in
>> Winblows, M$ or an entity with knowledge of the internals could make
>> it happen. There is no big tie-in to the kernel with the start menu,
>> or whatever, that's retarded to think.
>
>Yet no-one has succeeded in doing it--not even Microsoft.

I would point out, though, that when that explorer.exe process
crashes, it can restart without restarting the OS or already-running
apps.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-05-26 3:02 p.m., vallor wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2024 10:12:51 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
> <66534360$0$6557$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
>> On 5/26/2024 3:29 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Sat, 25 May 2024 23:37:53 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/25/2024 9:11 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 25 May 2024 15:46:15 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/23/2024 9:38 AM, Tyrone wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Windows usage is shrinking, and has been for the last 14 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where else does it go from nearly 100%?
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s only about 25% of the total computing market.
>>>>
>>>> What is this 'total computing market' comprised of?
>>>> Who defined it?
>>>> Who measures it?
>>>> How is it measured?
>>>
>>> People who know about more than Microsoft Windows. I.e. more than you do.
>>
>> So no answers.
>>
>> Why use a made-up term you haven't first made up a definition for?
>>
>>
>>
>>> Just consider the difference between workstations and desktops, and
>>> realize that Linux is the king of the workstation market, just for
>>> example.
>>
>> A 'workstation' is just a powerful desktop computer, and Windows is king
>> of the desktop.
>>
>> Who even sells a Linux-based 'workstation'? I don't recall ever seeing one.
>
> Just because it's outside of your experience doesn't mean it doesn't
> exist.
>
> Example:
>
> https://system76.com/desktops/thelio-major

There are smaller companies too, recommended by the FSF, which also sell
Linux workstations. They just don't sell them in Best Buy.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-05-26 3:24 p.m., vallor wrote:
> On 26 May 2024 17:05:39 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
> <lbh8f2FckbdU1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> On Sun, 26 May 2024 07:20:42 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>>> Please define professional software for developers. I want to see what
>>>> I'm missing.
>>>
>>> Software that is fully supported by a company resulting in a product
>>> that doesn't crash and is used to produce high quality content. Products
>>> like Final Cut Pro, DaVinci Resolve, Cinema 4D, Houdini, Lightroom,
>>> etc..
>>
>> We seem to have a different opinion of software for developers. Developers
>> WRITE Final Cut Pro etc; users USE it.
>
> Also, DaVinci Resolve has a Linux port, and it is used to produce movies.
>
> https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/
>
> Black Magic also makes many different controller boards that plug into
> the Linux workstation.
>
> (It escapes me why he would mention DaVinci Resolve, unless he didn't
> know Linux was supported.)

I've seen videos demonstrating how well supported it is. Apparently, it
is an absolute nightmare to set up. However, I was aware that it had a port.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-05-26 5:05 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2024 07:27:04 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> On 2024-05-26 3:39 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 25 May 2024 21:44:20 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-05-25 8:58 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile, real-time Compiz effects were running quite comfortably
>>>>> under Linux, on hardware as modest as this Asus Eee 701 with its
>>>>> 900-MHz single- core Celeron, that I still have just nearby.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, if you activated Compiz effects, they ran nice for about ten
>>>> minutes and then caused your windows to turn black.
>>>
>>> I ran them for longer than that. In fact, I’ve been running them for about
>>> a decade and a half since then.
>>
>> On XFCE? I can't imagine them working properly on anything else.
>
> Nope, KDE. Can’t imagine much, can you?

Oh, KDE always worked right, but I don't believe it ever used Compiz for
its effects.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-05-26 7:18 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2024 09:06:43 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>>> I upgraded to Linux from Windows XP.
>>
>> You're in the minority no matter how you spin it.
>
> Where are the Windows XP users? Gone.
>
> Where are the Linux users? More numerous than ever.
>
> Who’s the “minority” now?

Linux, still. The XP users went to 7 once they could and upgraded their
machines. They didn't hold onto their 2001 shitboxes and use Linux.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-05-26 11:14 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-05-26, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-05-26 9:36 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-26, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-05-25 10:01 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 25 May 2024 21:42:34 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-05-25 8:55 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 May 2024 07:13:05 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Considering this, third-parties should stop trying to develop for
>>>>>>>> Windows and MacOS and try to make their offerings available to
>>>>>>>> alternative systems like Linux instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That’s already been happening. Why do you think Microsoft had to bring
>>>>>>> out WSL? It was to stem the tide of developers abandoning Windows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In favour of Linux? Give me a break. The absolute desert that is
>>>>>> professional software on Linux does not suggest that Microsoft has any
>>>>>> reason to worry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please define professional software for developers. I want to see what I'm
>>>>> missing.
>>>>
>>>> Software that is fully supported by a company resulting in a product
>>>> that doesn't crash and is used to produce high quality content. Products
>>>> like Final Cut Pro, DaVinci Resolve, Cinema 4D, Houdini, Lightroom, etc..
>>>
>>> You're talking about multi-media applications, not development tools.
>>
>> I said "professional software," it's quoted above. I said nothing of
>> development tools.
>
> Okay, then I was the one who was talking about development tools. But the
> question you answered was... "Please define professional software for
> developers" — so you can see where I got "development tools" mixed in here.

He added "for developers," but I had never mentioned it in the first
place. I already know that Linux is extremely popular with programmers.
It's just not popular with most of anyone else.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-05-27, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-26 11:14 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-05-26, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-26 9:36 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-05-26, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-05-25 10:01 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 25 May 2024 21:42:34 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-05-25 8:55 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 May 2024 07:13:05 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Considering this, third-parties should stop trying to develop for
>>>>>>>>> Windows and MacOS and try to make their offerings available to
>>>>>>>>> alternative systems like Linux instead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That’s already been happening. Why do you think Microsoft had to bring
>>>>>>>> out WSL? It was to stem the tide of developers abandoning Windows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In favour of Linux? Give me a break. The absolute desert that is
>>>>>>> professional software on Linux does not suggest that Microsoft has any
>>>>>>> reason to worry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please define professional software for developers. I want to see what I'm
>>>>>> missing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Software that is fully supported by a company resulting in a product
>>>>> that doesn't crash and is used to produce high quality content. Products
>>>>> like Final Cut Pro, DaVinci Resolve, Cinema 4D, Houdini, Lightroom, etc..
>>>>
>>>> You're talking about multi-media applications, not development tools.
>>>
>>> I said "professional software," it's quoted above. I said nothing of
>>> development tools.
>>
>> Okay, then I was the one who was talking about development tools. But the
>> question you answered was... "Please define professional software for
>> developers" — so you can see where I got "development tools" mixed in here.
>
> He added "for developers," but I had never mentioned it in the first
> place. I already know that Linux is extremely popular with programmers.
> It's just not popular with most of anyone else.

Okay. I understand now.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 5/27/2024 3:12 AM, vallor wrote:
> On 27 May 2024 06:34:01 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
> <lbinqpFj5p4U2@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 03:00:55 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I just went to Dell and looked up "Linux Workstation", and this was
>>> top-of-the-line:
>>>
>>> https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop-computers/precision-7960-tower-
>> workstation/spd/precision-t7960-workstation/xctopt7960usai_vp
>>>
>>> I already posted a link to the System76 Thelio.
>>>
>>> They are expensive compared to consumer desktops.
>>
>> Well, Granny probably doesn't need a 28 core Xeon to watch cat videos.
>> Lenovo has a 96 core Threadripper in case she wants to search for
>> recipes at the same time.
>>
>> https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/glossary/workstation-vs-desktop-business/
>
> Interesting, thank you for the link.
>
> I poked around Lenovo's site, and unlike the Dell or System76
> workstations, there's no Linux option; they all use
> "Windows 11 Pro for Workstations 64". (I wonder what the "for
> Workstations" gets you?) Memory capacity is also a bit
> anemic for the high-end systems.

I found a Linux option immediately.

Products
Workstations
Desktop Workstations
scroll down
PX Workstation - View 4 models
then click 'Build Your PC' on the $5,509.42 model
(which is the cheapest of the 4)

The Ubuntu option says it saves $99, but when you choose it it ADDS
$17.40, to $5526.82.

When you switch back to Windows, it ADDS another $57.42, to 5584.24.

The other more costly workstations only have Add To Cart option, from
which you can supposedly 'Edit Specs' but then the website hung.

Clearly Microsoft pays Lenovo for these site glitches.

It's all moot anyway: according to Duh-Olive, only Linux offers
"workstation-class functionality".

MS is doomed.

Re: instructables.com/One-Handed-Chording-Keyboard/

I keep my left hand busy doing NonComputer things, Like smoking.

Linux has no drivers for the devices I require.

On 2024-05-27 9:25 a.m., DFS wrote:
> On 5/27/2024 3:12 AM, vallor wrote:
>> On 27 May 2024 06:34:01 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
>> <lbinqpFj5p4U2@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 03:00:55 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I just went to Dell and looked up "Linux Workstation", and this was
>>>> top-of-the-line:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop-computers/precision-7960-tower-
>>> workstation/spd/precision-t7960-workstation/xctopt7960usai_vp
>>>>
>>>> I already posted a link to the System76 Thelio.
>>>>
>>>> They are expensive compared to consumer desktops.
>>>
>>> Well, Granny probably doesn't need a 28 core Xeon to watch cat videos.
>>> Lenovo has a 96 core Threadripper in case she wants to search for
>>> recipes at the same time.
>>>
>>> https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/glossary/workstation-vs-desktop-business/
>>
>> Interesting, thank you for the link.
>>
>> I poked around Lenovo's site, and unlike the Dell or System76
>> workstations, there's no Linux option; they all use
>> "Windows 11 Pro for Workstations 64".  (I wonder what the "for
>> Workstations" gets you?)  Memory capacity is also a bit
>> anemic for the high-end systems.
>
> I found a Linux option immediately.
>
> Products
>  Workstations
>   Desktop Workstations
>    scroll down
>    PX Workstation - View 4 models
>     then click 'Build Your PC' on the $5,509.42 model
>     (which is the cheapest of the 4)
>
> The Ubuntu option says it saves $99, but when you choose it it ADDS
> $17.40, to $5526.82.
>
> When you switch back to Windows, it ADDS another $57.42, to 5584.24.
>
> The other more costly workstations only have Add To Cart option, from
> which you can supposedly 'Edit Specs' but then the website hung.
>
> Clearly Microsoft pays Lenovo for these site glitches.
>
>
> It's all moot anyway: according to Duh-Olive, only Linux offers
> "workstation-class functionality".
>
> MS is doomed.

I'm sure that all Linux companies are in tears at the knowledge that you
won't buy from them.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Re: Lenovo.COM/us/en/glossary/workstation-vs-desktop-business/

Creating CGI requires max compute, hence workstations.

The latest Microsoft Surface Pro(tm) laptops, with their Copilot+ NPU's,
might be considered workstations, if they weren't dedicated to snitching.

On 5/27/2024 10:06 AM, Relf wrote:
> Re: instructables.com/One-Handed-Chording-Keyboard/
>
> I keep my left hand busy doing NonComputer things, Like smoking.
>
> Linux has no drivers for the devices I require.

I'm here to mainly bash MS-hating Linux goobs, and edutain myself. I
even use cli Linux from time to time.

Why have you remained here for 21+ years?

Oliveiro:
> When the price goes down, profits go down.
> And when profits go down, investment in the product goes down.
> You see where this is leading? You’ve seen it already, in Windows.

For just one thousand $/day you too could sponsor a Microsoft employee
( so he doesn't have to live in a tent ).