On 2024-05-31, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-31 10:25 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-05-31, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-31 1:04 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-05-30, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-05-30 9:32 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/30/2024 6:46 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-05-30 2:27 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 08:02:14 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Spoken like someone who's never used Windows 2000. That version of
>>>>>>>>> Windows was spectacular ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The best looking, and functioning, GUIs of the 1990s were the Unix
>>>>>>>> workstations. That is the heritage that Linux comes from. Windows was a
>>>>>>>> toy by comparison.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A ridiculous lie.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For example, SGI were the pioneers of real-time 3D interfaces, back when
>>>>>>>> it took fiendishly expensive hardware to do such things. Again, today’s
>>>>>>>> real-time effects on *nix build on that heritage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I already mentioned multiple desktops from the OSF crowd. Sun did
>>>>>>>> tear-off
>>>>>>>> menus. Note also other innovations like focus-follows-mouse, taskbarless
>>>>>>>> desktops, cut/copy/paste in terminal windows, and the Compose key as
>>>>>>>> a far
>>>>>>>> more mnemonic way of typing non-ASCII characters than the clumsy Windows
>>>>>>>> alt-character-code rigmarole.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All features no one other than neck-bearded fat asses who sit at their
>>>>>>> computer at stare at a top instance would care about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and User-Agent: Betterbird (Windows)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're back!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not "back," I'm in Windows mostly because of the media I've
>>>>> purchased through the Windows store. As for Betterbird, everything else
>>>>> just sucks as a newsreader, and I'm not willing to sacrifice
>>>>> functionality because the news servers I use can't get their act
>>>>> together to produce a working server.
>>>>
>>>> How is usenet-news working out for you?
>>>
>>> As long as you don't mind your connection to the server being insecure,
>>> it works great. Blocknews, for its part, is a disaster whether you're
>>> using SSL or not.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure my eternal-september connection is not SSL secure either.
>
> It might not be, but Eternal September's SSL certificate and connection
> actually work. In Usenet-News.net's case, Betterbird outright can't find
> or rejects whatever certificate they offer. Blocknews has a valid
> certificate, but the SSL connection doesn't work right.

I should probably worry about it a little more. Maybe I'll look into it.

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On 2024-05-31, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-31 8:16 a.m., chrisv wrote:
>> RonB wrote:
>>
>>>>> Like Metro I think most of its ideas are aimed toward people more
>>>>> acclimated to tablets and smartphones.
>>>>
>>>> They were, but many of the ideas translate to the desktop as well.
>>>
>>> Not so much, in my opinion. To me a computer relies on a keyboard, a
>>> smartphone doesn't.
>>
>> They are completely different tools. Only a fool could have thought
>> that people would embrace touch screens on desktop computers.
>
> The sad part is that our school library has some old piece of shit Dells
> in it which all have a touchscreen. Even though they're sitting at a
> desk and holding a mouse, a good chunk of the kids touch the screen to
> click items or scroll down on a page.

That doesn't surprise me. Their smartphone touch screens are basically their
connection to the world. They don't know anything else.

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On 5/30/2024 7:35 PM, vallor wrote:
> On Thu, 30 May 2024 10:03:05 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
> <66588714$0$1245635$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
>> On 5/29/2024 9:16 PM, vallor wrote:
>>> Did you watch the video that rbowman posted? Linus was surprised
>>> at the Linux performance of his little Thelio. It beat MS Windows
>>> in many ways.
>>
>> link please. I'd like to see it.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTN1c1j6V1s&list=LLLpz93TZfYzoEgEICOaMA0Q&index=189
>
> [ I'll have to respond to the rest of your article later. ]

One of the comments on that vid:

"A couple years ago I was at my grandma's house to use her printer and I
got on her PC and it had Linux on it. I couldn't figure out how to
navigate it so my grandma had to teach me how to use Linux."

ha!

On 2024-05-31 5:15 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-05-31, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-05-31 10:08 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-31, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-05-31 12:35 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-05-30, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-05-30 4:07 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 May 2024 08:55:21 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Generally, I wouldn't be worried that drivers for the hardware used on
>>>>>>>> Linux-minded laptops would be available. However, I wouldn't be
>>>>>>>> surprised if I faced the same kind of issues using Windows on a Linux
>>>>>>>> machine that I had using Linux on a Windows machine. Problems waking
>>>>>>>> from sleep, graphical errors and things of the sort are very likely to
>>>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The oddity I see with my Acer laptop with an open WSL session is Hyper-V
>>>>>>> crashes if it sleeps. It will hibernate with no problem and the couple of
>>>>>>> seconds difference in startup isn't a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that there are a number of issues with the way Windows 11
>>>>>> sleeps. I'm not sure what they changed from 10, especially since they
>>>>>> both use Modern Standby by default, but it seems to be fairly chaotic
>>>>>> for hardware.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think Microsoft has lost interest in trouble shooting hardware drivers. I
>>>>> think their money (and time) is being spent on developing AI crap. It
>>>>> definitely seems to be their priority.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even SoftMaker is touting AI for their newest office suite. They advertise
>>>>> it as a "feature," to me it simply means I'll never upgrade to a newer
>>>>> version.
>>>>
>>>> Funny that you should mention office suites. I was curious about what
>>>> Catholicism believes about current technology and how it views
>>>> proprietary and open-source software. Officially, the stance is that
>>>> Catholicism has no issue with proprietary software but that it must
>>>> resist closed formats entirely since these would be at odds with
>>>> allowing people to freely obtain knowledge in whatever form. As such,
>>>> only LibreOffice, or an office suite using OpenDocument by default,
>>>> respects the faith. Perhaps you would want to take this into
>>>> consideration if, like me, your faith is becoming increasingly important.
>>>
>>> SoftMaker is proprietary software, but it supports open documents (in
>>> addition to their own format and M$'s format), so I don't see where there is
>>> an issue with using it.
>>
>> Supports is open thing, Catholicism's view is apparently that you must
>> resist using non-free formats in general.
>
> I'm not arguing against you, but I've never seen this in Catholic writing.

I doubt that they wrote an article about it. I had to really seek it out.

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On Thu, 30 May 2024 06:46:21 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> On 2024-05-30 2:27 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 08:02:14 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> Spoken like someone who's never used Windows 2000. That version of
>>> Windows was spectacular ...
>>
>> HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
>>
>> The best looking, and functioning, GUIs of the 1990s were the Unix
>> workstations. That is the heritage that Linux comes from. Windows was a
>> toy by comparison.
>
> A ridiculous lie.

You have no idea, do you? There are lots of clips on YouTube showing off
those 1990s-era Unix systems. You want to go educate yourself, or shall I
give you some links?

On Thu, 30 May 2024 06:33:30 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> On 2024-05-29 9:08 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 08:03:37 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> The point here is that switching desktops is a useless feature for
>>> most users.
>>
>> Yes, it’s an advanced power-user feature. As I mentioned before, it was
>> introduced in OSF Motif/CDE in the early/mid 1990s sometime, and has
>> been commonplace in *nix systems ever since.
>>
>> You know, the kind of systems that are “workstations”, not just
>> “desktops”.
>
> The suggestion here is that Linux allows you to do work whereas Windows
> and Mac are just toys.

Yup.

> Meanwhile, people who high-paying jobs and workplaces are almost always
> using Windows.

You mean the managers? The pointy-haired boss types?

On Fri, 31 May 2024 16:34:06 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> You can get the answer from doing a little bit of research or simply
> using one of the many AI services to have them do the research for you.
> The position is that open-source's openness favours collaboration and
> the pursuit of knowledge and should therefore be pursued.

https://www.catholic.com/news/introducing-the-father-justin-interactive-
ai-app-by-catholic-answers

Tha AI? Ol' Father Justin didn't last long.

https://futurism.com/catholics-defrock-ai-priest-hallucinations

I'm in favor of distributism, but first we would have to get rid of a few
things.

https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2014/06/what-is-distributism.html

Belloc's 'The Servile State' was quite prescient. He also warned about
ignoring the Moslems in 'The Great Heresies'. Much of the doctrine was
built on Leo XIII's 'De Rerum Novarum'. Unfortunately the intervening
decades have given us Francis and James Martin when we need more
Stricklands.

On Fri, 31 May 2024 21:15:56 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I'm not arguing against you, but I've never seen this in Catholic
> writing.

https://www.linux.com/news/free-softwares-surprising-sympathy-catholic-
doctrine/

One of the referenced documents, 'ETHICS IN INTERNET':

https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/pccs/documents/
rc_pc_pccs_doc_20020228_ethics-internet_en.html

On Thu, 30 May 2024 06:43:42 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> I implore you to take a screenshot of a current Linux Mint desktop and
> one of a default Windows 2000 installation. Then, ask _strangers_, not
> zealots like yourself who probably pray to a photo of Stallman, what
> they think is prettier.

I don’t need to. I just compare the number of ordinary people happily
using Linux Mint and other current Linux desktops, with the essentially
zero users (fanatics like yourself) who still care about Windows 2000 or
even Windows XP or Vista or 7, never mind older versions, to demonstrate
the difference.

On Thu, 30 May 2024 06:54:24 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Win11 is their best yet, but it's not better than Cinnamon.

It’s also pretty hopeless against the Steam Deck.

On Thu, 30 May 2024 06:47:07 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> On 2024-05-30 2:29 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 15:10:45 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> Whether D'Oliveiro wants to admit it or not, Windows 2000 and XP both
>>> looked like professional operating systems when they were released ...
>>
>> Go on, keep insisting that dumbed-down consumer OSes were meant to look
>> “professional”. Microsoft didn’t even know what the word meant.
>
> That must be why they're almost bankrupt ...

Remember who was in charge of Microsoft at the time: Bill Gates, whom
Steve Jobs famously described as having “no taste”.

The Unix workstations were the GUI pioneers of the time, and that is the
heritage that Linux comes from.

On Wed, 29 May 2024 18:22:32 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 5/28/2024 7:42 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> But still not relevant to the issue of Linux being the king of the
>> workstation market.
>
> [more random crap]

Still trying to distract from the issue, that Microsoft basically created
the “desktop” OS category (ironically calling its desktop OS “NT
Workstation” just to make it sound better), so that it could sell more
copies of the higher priced, more functional “NT Server” product.

Whereas Linux doesn’t segment its markets by functionality in this way:
every Linux kernel function is essentially available in every distro.

On Fri, 31 May 2024 19:52:20 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
<665a62aa$2$1245626$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> On 5/30/2024 7:35 PM, vallor wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 May 2024 10:03:05 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
>> <66588714$0$1245635$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>
>>> On 5/29/2024 9:16 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>> Did you watch the video that rbowman posted? Linus was surprised at
>>>> the Linux performance of his little Thelio. It beat MS Windows in
>>>> many ways.
>>>
>>> link please. I'd like to see it.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=JTN1c1j6V1s&list=LLLpz93TZfYzoEgEICOaMA0Q&index=189
>>
>> [ I'll have to respond to the rest of your article later. ]
>
>
> One of the comments on that vid:
>
> "A couple years ago I was at my grandma's house to use her printer and I
> got on her PC and it had Linux on it. I couldn't figure out how to
> navigate it so my grandma had to teach me how to use Linux."
>
> ha!

(Linux printing uses cups, the same system as Apple Mac printing.)

I noticed you have nothing to say about the video.

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On 2024-06-01 12:11 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 30 May 2024 06:46:21 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> On 2024-05-30 2:27 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 08:02:14 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Spoken like someone who's never used Windows 2000. That version of
>>>> Windows was spectacular ...
>>>
>>> HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
>>>
>>> The best looking, and functioning, GUIs of the 1990s were the Unix
>>> workstations. That is the heritage that Linux comes from. Windows was a
>>> toy by comparison.
>>
>> A ridiculous lie.
>
> You have no idea, do you? There are lots of clips on YouTube showing off
> those 1990s-era Unix systems. You want to go educate yourself, or shall I
> give you some links?

Feel free to do so.

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On 2024-06-01 12:42 a.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 31 May 2024 21:15:56 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> I'm not arguing against you, but I've never seen this in Catholic
>> writing.
>
> https://www.linux.com/news/free-softwares-surprising-sympathy-catholic-
> doctrine/
>
> One of the referenced documents, 'ETHICS IN INTERNET':
>
> https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/pccs/documents/
> rc_pc_pccs_doc_20020228_ethics-internet_en.html

Thank you for that. Just reading that encourages me to move to Linux and
its formats and remain there. I believe the documents I myself create
should use open formats. The only thing I'm wondering now is whether my
faith is what drove me to be interested in Linux or the inverse.

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On 2024-06-01 3:27 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 30 May 2024 06:54:24 -0400, Joel wrote:
>
>> Win11 is their best yet, but it's not better than Cinnamon.
>
> It’s also pretty hopeless against the Steam Deck.

You seem to be unaware of the fact that ASUS, MSI and Lenovo have
released competitors to the Steam Deck and that the fact that they run
Windows 11 is the reason why gamers now _prefer_ them over the Steam
Deck. You don't need to fiddle around with your operating system to get
the games working on the competitors' devices.

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On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 06:34:55 -0400, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote
in <kPC6O.21333$Dsz1.8213@fx14.iad>:

> On 2024-06-01 12:11 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 May 2024 06:46:21 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-05-30 2:27 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 08:02:14 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Spoken like someone who's never used Windows 2000. That version of
>>>>> Windows was spectacular ...
>>>>
>>>> HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
>>>>
>>>> The best looking, and functioning, GUIs of the 1990s were the Unix
>>>> workstations. That is the heritage that Linux comes from. Windows was
>>>> a toy by comparison.
>>>
>>> A ridiculous lie.
>>
>> You have no idea, do you? There are lots of clips on YouTube showing
>> off those 1990s-era Unix systems. You want to go educate yourself, or
>> shall I give you some links?
>
> Feel free to do so.

A glimpse of CDE:

https://youtu.be/01lp3vQ2VLs?t=272

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On 2024-06-01 6:08 a.m., vallor wrote:
> On Fri, 31 May 2024 19:52:20 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
> <665a62aa$2$1245626$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
>> On 5/30/2024 7:35 PM, vallor wrote:
>>> On Thu, 30 May 2024 10:03:05 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
>>> <66588714$0$1245635$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>
>>>> On 5/29/2024 9:16 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>>> Did you watch the video that rbowman posted? Linus was surprised at
>>>>> the Linux performance of his little Thelio. It beat MS Windows in
>>>>> many ways.
>>>>
>>>> link please. I'd like to see it.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?
> v=JTN1c1j6V1s&list=LLLpz93TZfYzoEgEICOaMA0Q&index=189
>>>
>>> [ I'll have to respond to the rest of your article later. ]
>>
>>
>> One of the comments on that vid:
>>
>> "A couple years ago I was at my grandma's house to use her printer and I
>> got on her PC and it had Linux on it. I couldn't figure out how to
>> navigate it so my grandma had to teach me how to use Linux."
>>
>> ha!
>
> (Linux printing uses cups, the same system as Apple Mac printing.)
>
> I noticed you have nothing to say about the video.

I'll say this much. Even though I've known this for more than a decade,
it's remarkable how easily every Linux distribution I try detects the
printer on my network. It might not use the best driver for the job, but
if I need to print immediately, paper with my document will come out of
the printer a minute after I've installed the system. Heck, it'll do so
while I'm using the test environment. If I'm unsatisfied with the driver
it uses, I can easily just change it afterwards.

Windows will detect my printer too nowadays, but I have to go the extra
step of telling the system to look for it. The only advantage is that it
will immediately know which driver to use for best results. However, the
problem in that is that in the case of HP at least, it might also
install the company's software. On the one hand, that software will
allow me to use the printer to its full capabilities; on the other, it
might lock me into subscriptions like it has for many. People are free
to look that one up if they don't know what I'm referring to.

I, for one, am annoyed at how everything has become a subscription. For
music, I see this as a good thing for myself especially with YouTube
Music as it has the additional benefit of blocking ads and giving me a
feeling that I am actually contributing to YouTube's survival (I try not
to use ad-blockers). For things like Netflix, I also see this as a
positive because it truly does save money and the selection is much
greater than what we used to have going to our local Blockbuster, and
hoping that the previous renter returned the movie. For software and
hardware though, this is exactly the kind of nightmare Stallman
envisioned. It's even worse when the software you're renting doesn't
respect your desires.

For example, the machine I'm using now, like most new Windows machines,
defaults to using Modern Standby or S0. Anyone who is unaware of how it
works needs to know that this system is prioritized because it allows
for an "instant on" functionality, much like smartphones. We used to use
S3. The problem is that S0 uses less battery power when it "sleeps," but
it still uses a considerable amount compared to S3. If you put your
laptop to sleep in Modern Standby at 8am and put it in your backpack,
not only will you have drained half of the battery doing _nothing_, but
your computer will be very hot as it is still technically in use. With
S3, you've used nothing and your laptop will be cool to the touch.

Why am I mentioning this? Because Macs can be configured not to use this
kind of garbage. Linux also doesn't support Modern Standby if you choose
to change systems. Luckily, on this laptop, there is a utility which
allows me to go into hidden BIOS settings and change the Modern Standby
setting to S3. However, at the next BIOS update, it'll just force me
back to MS. It literally doesn't give a poop what I want; it forces me
to what MS wants. What the corporation and manufacturer both want is a
battery which wears out faster, forcing me to buy a new one. The only
way I can be guaranteed that my setting will remain is to use Linux,
because it won't just update the BIOS whenever it wants and it won't
change my setting for no reason. I truly _own_ the machine as long as I
don't touch Windows.

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On 2024-06-01 7:00 a.m., vallor wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 06:34:55 -0400, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote
> in <kPC6O.21333$Dsz1.8213@fx14.iad>:
>
>> On 2024-06-01 12:11 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Thu, 30 May 2024 06:46:21 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-05-30 2:27 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 08:02:14 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Spoken like someone who's never used Windows 2000. That version of
>>>>>> Windows was spectacular ...
>>>>>
>>>>> HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> The best looking, and functioning, GUIs of the 1990s were the Unix
>>>>> workstations. That is the heritage that Linux comes from. Windows was
>>>>> a toy by comparison.
>>>>
>>>> A ridiculous lie.
>>>
>>> You have no idea, do you? There are lots of clips on YouTube showing
>>> off those 1990s-era Unix systems. You want to go educate yourself, or
>>> shall I give you some links?
>>
>> Feel free to do so.
>
> A glimpse of CDE:
>
> https://youtu.be/01lp3vQ2VLs?t=272

It looks like OS/2, which was a massive failure. To be honest, every
operating system of the 90s looked like poop. Much like the beige
computers themselves, they had very little personality. The two
exceptions would be 95 with Plus and Mac OS 9 because of its theming
capabilities.

--
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TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> (snip)

Great post, Slime!

On 2024-06-01 8:13 a.m., chrisv wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> (snip)
>
> Great post, Slime!

Then why snip it? Is there anything in there you disagree with?

--
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vallor wrote:

>A glimpse of CDE:
>
>https://youtu.be/01lp3vQ2VLs?t=272

At my job, we used to have a couple of Sun workstations that were used
to test our Sbus products. My God, they were slow.

--
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Wed, 29 May 2024 18:22:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 5/28/2024 7:42 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> But still not relevant to the issue of Linux being the king of the
>>> workstation market.
>>
>> [more random crap]
>
> Still trying to distract from the issue, that Microsoft basically created
> the “desktop” OS category (ironically calling its desktop OS “NT
> Workstation” just to make it sound better), so that it could sell more
> copies of the higher priced, more functional “NT Server” product.

Actually, at one point, the only difference between the two was (IIRC) a
Registry entry :-D

To wit:

https://www.digiater.nl/openvms/decus/vmslt97a/ntstuff/ntnodiff.html

We have found that NTS and NTW have identical kernels; in fact, NT is a
single operating system with two modes. Only two registry settings are
needed to switch between these two modes in NT 4.0, and only one setting in
NT 3.51. This is extremely significant, and calls into question the related
legal limitations and costly upgrades that currently face NTW users.

This was from 1996.

> Whereas Linux doesn’t segment its markets by functionality in this way:
> every Linux kernel function is essentially available in every distro.

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chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> vallor wrote:
>
>>A glimpse of CDE:
>>
>>https://youtu.be/01lp3vQ2VLs?t=272
>
> At my job, we used to have a couple of Sun workstations that were used
> to test our Sbus products. My God, they were slow.

When I lived in LA, early 90's, I had a low-end Sun workstation.
The graphics, though black-and-white only, were pretty nice.

You could also take a screenshot of someone else's workstation :-)

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On 2024-06-01 8:17 a.m., chrisv wrote:
> -- "So TomB are you now calling Snit a liar too?" - "Hadron"

ROFL.

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