On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 04/12/2024 13:07, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/12/2024 10:10, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, Robert Riches wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> About 45 years ago, while eating in the college dorm cafeteria, I
>>>>> noticed the piece of "chicken" on my plate was a little tougher
>>>>> and drier than most chicken, and the arrangement of the bones did
>>>>> not appear to be consistent with any piece of chicken I had ever
>>>>> seen.  I had eaten rabbit a few years earlier, when my uncle was
>>>>> raising them, so I started to suspect the "chicken" was really
>>>>> rabbit.  My suspicion was confirmed when I heard a girl shriek
>>>>> rather unhappily from a couple of tables away, "We're eating
>>>>> BUNNIES!"
>>>>
>>>> How strange! How come they didn't just say that todays special was
>>>> rabbit? Or maybe there was an error somewhere with the delivery and some
>>>> boxed got mixed up?
>>>
>>> People have childhood memories of Peter rabbit and Bambi.
>>
>> So do I, but I still enjoy eating them. People are strange! Sometimes I do
>> not understand them at all.
>
> People as children get to associate words, images ideas with emotions.
>
> So 'all snakes BAD!! RUN. Bambi CUTE - cuddle - don't eat.'
>
> Then when - or if - they grow up, they replace them with more sophisticated
> and rational judgements.
>

Yes, I guess the "if" is key here. ;)

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 04/12/2024 13:08, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/12/2024 09:24, D wrote:
>>>> Now, due to the Ukraine situation, I've twice seen fighter jets above my
>>>> house.
>>>
>>> I live within nuclear blast range of *two* RAF/USAAF airbases. When I hear
>>> the rumble of jets and no corresponding ADSB transponders I know the
>>> middle east is in for a strike.
>>>
>>> Or if the tankers show up, and the SIGINT planes, that someone is peeping
>>> into Russia on behalf of Ukraine...
>>>
>>> And of course the Imperial war museums Spitfires and Hurricanes do test
>>> flights here all summer.
>>>
>>> Nothing to crash into or upon. Just farmland
>>
>> Sounds like you have the basis of a nice little intelligence-business
>> there! ;)
>
> Damned if I am going to do Putin's work for him. Someone is flying drones
> over them already and then it all went quite.
>
> The USAAF, like God, likes to move in mysterious ways.
>
> Meet nice people off the bases sometimes.

That reminds me of when there was some Nato event in Stockholm and a small
US aircraft carrier was parked in the middle of the city. I was walking
along the water and 3 young boys, with short hair cuts came along
screaming in american english.

I asked them "so how was the trip on the boat"?

One of them said, how did you know that?!?!

While the other said... hush, you're not supposed to say that!

I was just laughing and went on my way.

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 04/12/2024 13:09, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/12/2024 09:27, D wrote:
>>>> They are very cute, but can be annoying!
>>>
>>> I can hear then running all over my roof as I write, Trees are too close,
>>> Need cutting down.
>>>
>>
>> Do you live in a small house in the middle of nowhere, right next to a lake
>> and/or river with plenty of salmon? Maybe I could buy your house? ;)
>
> http://www.larksrise.com
>

It's enormous! Are you some kind of older english lord?

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, John Ames wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 11:12:25 +0100
> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>>> Bear ... it's really kinda yuk.
>>
>> I never had bear myself, but my father once had it in Helsinki in a
>> russian restaurant. Apparently he thought it was quite alright,
>> although not something he was dreaming about afterwards.
>
> I've heard it's greatly dependent on what the bear in question has been
> living off of - wild fruit and game, great, camper trash cans, not so
> much. The one time I've had it, it was like very rich beef.
>

I had whale in iceland. It was like a juicy, tender steak. Very, very
good! I wonder if I can get bear somewhere where I am at the moment? Maybe
I can find a russian restaurant, but my wife would refuse to go, so maybe
not so smart after all. =/

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 14:05:13 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> I would imagine that plenty of herbs and stuff gets consumed together
>> with the grass. I don't think they are too picky about their greens.
>
> They can be. Leafy spurge is an invasive species and the land managers
> decided sheep grazing on the hillsides would be more ecologically friendly
> than herbicides. It was all very bucolic and even included a traditional
> sheep wagon. The sheep ate everything except leafy spurge. The area where
> they were penned for the night was eaten down to mineral soil and still
> hasn't recovered after 10 years.
>
> After the photo ops the sheep were removed and Tordon herbicide was
> applied. I don't know why but the sheep farmer switched to goats.
>

Fascinating! Had no idea they were picky eaters! Maybe the goats were less
picky?

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 12:21:42 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 04/12/2024 09:27, D wrote:
>>> They are very cute, but can be annoying!
>>
>> I can hear then running all over my roof as I write, Trees are too
>> close, Need cutting down.
>
> You're lucky. The magpues do a war dance on my roof mornings and cutting
> down trees is no defense against airborne forces. They also help
> themselves to the cat's food. Gotta get a bigger, meaner cat.
>

Try lynx or a mountain lion! ;) I read somewhere that having a lynx as a
pet is very popular among russian millionaires to show of their statys.
Have no idea if there is any truth to that though.

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 00:44:28 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> Alas, the way 'conservationists' tend to move-around species .......
>
> There was an attempt to reestablish the elk population in upstate New York
> which inadvertently introduced chronic wasting disease into the whitetail
> population. The jury is out on whether it's transmissible to humans.
>
> The bison in Yellowstone National Park are another source of controversy.
> The herds are infected with brucellosis and being wild tend to wander out
> of the park.
>
> https://thecounter.org/slaughtering-yellowstone-buffalo-brucellosis/
>
> Wolves, which are reintroducing themselves, are a source of controversy
> too. Lucky for the US wolves they don't have von der Leyden on their case.

Ahh... a wolf eating her pony, that brings joy and laughter to my life!
Before that, oh so noble minded and eco-fascist, and when nature knocked
on the door, it was full nazi mode. =D

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 10:37:37 +0100, D wrote:
>
>
>> Surely looks like good fishing on the web site! =) But maybe it is
>> fishing only, and not eating them?
>>
>> Regardless positive that they decided to make a state park out of it!
>
> https://vp-mi.com/news/2020/dec/23/advisory-issued-avoid-eating-fish-
> section-clark-fo/
>
> It's complex. The park is at the confluence of the Blackfoot and Clark
> Fork. The Bitterroot confluence is about 5 miles downstream. Previously
> the guidance downstream of Missoula was to not eat pike and limit
> consumption of other species. The shutdown paper mill has settling ponds
> adjacent to the river and they're a new concern.
>
> Before the dam was removed there was an annual pickerel derby but even
> then the prevailing wisdom was to not eat the fish. Before the dam was
> removed the area was poisoned since they didn't want pickerel downstream.
>
> For context, the Blackfoot was the setting for the film 'A River Runs
> Through It', sort of. Like many movies the real Blackfoot isn't very
> accessible and it was filmed elsewhere and the trout were radio
> controlled. There are other geographic impossibilities but the movie was
> well received. Luckily the Blackfoot never had any mining or industry to
> pollute it.
>

Hmm, sad about that fish. =(

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 11:09:48 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> I have a neighbour who does some kind of black currant wine and
>> apparently, according to my father, it was awful.
>
> I made a batch of dandelion wine when I was a kid. It was pretty rough. We
> got cider from a local farmer who had rigged up a tractor driven chopper
> and had a old jackscrew press. Bring your own jugs. Unfiltered and
> unpasteurized it tended to self ferment into sparkling cider.
>
> During prohibition some of my family took a more professional approach
> although the final product was applejack rather than cider.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applejack_(drink)

Never heard of, but sounds similar to Calvados. Would you say it is
similar?

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 14:07:42 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> So do I, but I still enjoy eating them. People are strange! Sometimes I
>> do not understand them at all.
>
> I was able to compartmentalize as a kid. There was the friendly squirrel
> we fed and then there was his cousins out in the woods that fed us.
>
> Before my time but my parents raised a pig. Pig farming is one thing but
> raising one pig is something else since pigs are quite intelligent. The
> pig got butchered in the fall and eaten but the experiment wasn't
> repeated. They stuck to chickens.

Yes, I imagine the more intelligent they are, and the fewer they are, the
stronger connection you build, and the less tasty the food.

Reminds me of the old Simpsons episode when Homer raises a small lobster
only to consume it while crying.

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 10:35:14 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 21:18:55 +0100, D wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is the truth! They were bred in captivity close to my country
>>>> side house, and one day either the farm closed, the birds escaped, or
>>>> both. So now there are "wild" pheasants running around there from time
>>>> to time. I have thought about getting out the old longbow, since they
>>>> are not shy at all. Maybe a project for next summer!
>>>
>>> That could be interesting. My father and I were rabbit hunting when a
>>> pheasant provided a target of opportunity. My father managed to knock
>>> the bird down and it landed in some brush about 50 yards away. The
>>> beagle ran over but after a brief scuffle the pheasant flew off and the
>>> beagle decided he wasn't a bird dog.
>>>
>>>
>> Really?? Was that a very small beagle, or a very big bird? ;)
>
> Well, he was a 13" beagle which is the US designation for the smaller end
> of the scale and a pissed off ring neck wasn't quite what he expected to
> find in the brush. Rabbits run away and don't fight back.
>

Sounds nasty! But the fight or flight reflex is quite real.

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 21:59:00 +0100, D wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 11:09:48 +0100, D wrote:
>>
>>> I have a neighbour who does some kind of black currant wine and
>>> apparently, according to my father, it was awful.
>>
>> I made a batch of dandelion wine when I was a kid. It was pretty rough.
>> We got cider from a local farmer who had rigged up a tractor driven
>> chopper and had a old jackscrew press. Bring your own jugs. Unfiltered
>> and unpasteurized it tended to self ferment into sparkling cider.
>>
>> During prohibition some of my family took a more professional approach
>> although the final product was applejack rather than cider.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applejack_(drink)
>
> Never heard of, but sounds similar to Calvados. Would you say it is
> similar?

No idea, never having had Calvados. I had commercial applejack years ago
and iirc it wouldn't be recognized as an apple product in a blind taste
test.

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 21:52:51 +0100, D wrote:

> Fascinating! Had no idea they were picky eaters! Maybe the goats were
> less picky?

They will eat spurge if they run out of more palatable food. Some have
reported success.

https://www.realagriculture.com/2018/03/controlling-leafy-spurge-one-
flock-at-a-time/

I don't know the full story. They did it for a few years but when the
sheep went home signs would go up along the trails saying they were going
to treat the area with herbicide.

The idea wasn't all that popular with hikers. Dogs were banned both to
prevent them harassing the sheep and to reduce conflicts with the
sheepdogs. The sheepdogs were even aggressive to humans. They never tried
to bite me but they gave the impression I wasn't welcome.

The goats were never used on the mountain. I go past the farm on my way to
work and noticed it switched from sheep to goats and a lonesome looking
yak. Quite a few sheep operations have shut down. Lamb has went out of
favor and much of what is available comes from New Zealand. I don't know
how profitable wool production is either.

On 12/3/24 2:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 23:58:51 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> On 12/1/24 4:27 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 04:19:07 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, Apache isn't HORRIBLE. It's also well-refined and
>>>> well-supported. NOT to be sneezed at. Newer stuff is
>>>> smaller/faster ... but what do you lose ?
>>>
>>> https://dev.to/emiliosp/nodejs-vs-apache-performance-battle-for-the-
>>> conquest-of-my-5c4n
>>>
>>> I haven't noticed that I lost anything using node.js. nginx is also
>>> taking market share from Apache.
>>
>>
>> The alts ARE getting much better. Didn't start out like that however.
>
> No, but that was then. This is now. Like Windows 10 older technology
> doesn't go away peacefully but getting stuck in the past isn't a good
> career move, not that it matters to me anymore.

Nor me.

I kinda know how Apache thinks, what goes in which
config files / folders. That is uses "more memory"
really isn't much of a thing anymore since even
my Pi's have many gigabytes.

I will agree that active developers, esp for what
are anticipated to be 'high volume' systems, do
still need to think a bit about 'efficiency'.

The alts ... at least early on they may have been
smaller/quicker but also didn't have the flexibility
or security of Apache. As said, this situation has
improved so there ARE real alts worth considering.

And hey - we may see an "Apache 3" that fixes up
some of the annoying stuff :-)

Ever seen a respectable Apache config GUI app ???
Hell, even getting https properly installed using
naught but nano is a pain in the ass. The OpenSuse
config pgm Yast2 (or text based Yast) are 'smart'
about stuff and give useful suggestions and can
even do multi-file configs automatically. Consult
the suggestions, check a few boxes ... saves like
an hour. Ever set up RAID The Hard Way ? With Yast
it's literally a minute or two and it'll do a good
guess at the opt flags and such needed for what
you're setting up.

On 12/4/24 5:12 AM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> On 12/3/24 4:13 AM, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 3 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/2/24 9:02 AM, D wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/12/2024 17:32, D wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 30/11/2024 20:54, D wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well pie it with bacon mushroom and a white wine white sauce.
>>>>>>>>>> Or curry the bugger.
>>>>>>>>>> Or buy a chicken from someone who keeps them around the back
>>>>>>>>>> yard eating worms and stuff. THEY have taste
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After christmas, this is exactly the experiment I am embarking
>>>>>>>>> upon. The wife will buy a chicken from a free range farm, and
>>>>>>>>> we'll see how it compares. My bet is it will be better, but not
>>>>>>>>> good enough to get me to enjoy chicken breast.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would concur with that. Chicken is cheap protein. Expecting it
>>>>>>>> to be more is nuts. All reptiles - and birds evolved from
>>>>>>>> reptiles - 'tastes like chicken'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I read that in terms of protein, breeding snakes is the Donald
>>>>>>> Trump of protein when it comes to price! A free business idea for
>>>>>>> this group could be to start a snake breeding farm and sell
>>>>>>> chicken:ish, protein at very good prices!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then there's also insect protein. I do not know how it compared
>>>>>>> with snake protein.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> In S Africa Locusts and crickets were known as 'pParkhurst prawns'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Edible if you wanted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fascinating to think about that, given the enormous amount of
>>>>> locusts which plague them from time to time. Huge amounts of
>>>>> protein there, just for the taking!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Yea ... if you're down with locusts  :-)
>>>>
>>>>  There IS a vocal segment that basically want to FORCE
>>>>  everybody to eat insects almost entirely as "meat".
>>>
>>> This is not good. I have nothing against the free and voluntary
>>> consumption of insects. If you're into it, be my guest! I am against
>>> forced consumption. But, given the amount of famine and starving
>>> children in africa, it would be interested to see if something could
>>> be done with the locust swarms to get cheap protein for the people.
>>>
>>> If I did not have food, I'd welcome insect food over nothing at all.
>>> In fact I've had grass hopper (deep fried) and it was actually quite
>>> good. I also had scorpion when I went to china once, and it tasted
>>> like a crunchy shrimp.
>>>
>>>>  Sorry, I like my meat to have had a moo or cluck or
>>>>  squeal .......
>>>>
>>>>  Oh, avoid deer/moose meat now ... there's a lot of
>>>>  something like Mad Cow prion going around. NO cure
>>>>  for that. Bear meat - only WELL done as they tend
>>>>  to be full of parasites (bear meat isn't that good
>>>>  anyway).
>>>
>>> In sweden deer/moose is ok at the moment I think (and hope). The only
>>> thing you need to be careful with is boar and if you fish in a
>>> plluted lake. That is, definitely do _not_ eat anything from central
>>> stockholm where for many decades heavy industry poured out its filth
>>> into the water.
>>>
>>> It's improving, but still not good enough. If you're 30 minutes away
>>> by boat from the center, then you can start to eat an occasional fish
>>> or two.
>>
>>
>>  The prion problem seems localized to north America
>>  at the moment. You're probably OK in Sweden, for now.
>>
>>  Alas, the way 'conservationists' tend to move-around
>>  species .......
>>
>>  Bear ... it's really kinda yuk.
>
> I never had bear myself, but my father once had it in Helsinki in a
> russian restaurant. Apparently he thought it was quite alright, although
> not something he was dreaming about afterwards.

I'd suggest sticking to herbivores rather than
carnivores/omnivores. You could live on bear,
but you'd dream of beef, lamb, chicken ......

>>  Wild boar, anywhere, STILL tend to carry nasty
>>  parasites. Always cook well-done.
>
> Wild boar is very tasty! I had bbq:d smoked boar two years ago, and it
> was amazing!

Oh, it IS tasty ! But still - COOK IT WELL !!!
There were REASONS some of the old religions
forbade pork.

Had a .44 Mag lever carbine - it was ideal for
boar in dense brush ... strong enough and easy
to whip around real quick. The boar hunts YOU
as much as you hunt IT. I think someone offers
a .50 S&W carbine/handgun combo now, but only
use the handgun if you want fused wrists in
yer old age :-)

On 12/4/24 3:52 PM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, John Ames wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 11:12:25 +0100
>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>  Bear ... it's really kinda yuk.
>>>
>>> I never had bear myself, but my father once had it in Helsinki in a
>>> russian restaurant. Apparently he thought it was quite alright,
>>> although not something he was dreaming about afterwards.
>>
>> I've heard it's greatly dependent on what the bear in question has been
>> living off of - wild fruit and game, great, camper trash cans, not so
>> much. The one time I've had it, it was like very rich beef.
>>
>
> I had whale in iceland. It was like a juicy, tender steak. Very, very
> good! I wonder if I can get bear somewhere where I am at the moment?
> Maybe I can find a russian restaurant, but my wife would refuse to go,
> so maybe not so smart after all. =/

Whale ? SHAME !!! :-)

Japan alone is driving their extinction, TOO tasty !

Too bright to eat IMHO ... feel more "moral" with
something more stupid.

They ARE related to pigs, which surely contributes
to the taste.

As for bear ... it CAN be had sometimes in the
American west. Wyoming, Montana, that general
area. They are hunted, but not all so much by
and large, so it's a matter of lucky timing.

There's also alligator in the south - surprisingly
like chicken if cooked properly. When did reptiles
diverge from dinos/birds ???

On 12/4/24 3:55 PM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 00:44:28 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>
>>>    Alas, the way 'conservationists' tend to move-around species .......
>>
>> There was an attempt to reestablish the elk population in upstate New
>> York
>> which inadvertently introduced chronic wasting disease into the whitetail
>> population. The jury is out on whether it's transmissible to humans.
>>
>> The bison in Yellowstone National Park are another source of controversy.
>> The herds are infected with brucellosis and being wild tend to wander out
>> of the park.
>>
>> https://thecounter.org/slaughtering-yellowstone-buffalo-brucellosis/
>>
>> Wolves, which are reintroducing themselves, are a source of controversy
>> too. Lucky for the US wolves they don't have von der Leyden on their
>> case.
>
> Ahh... a wolf eating her pony, that brings joy and laughter to my life!
> Before that, oh so noble minded and eco-fascist, and when nature knocked
> on the door, it was full nazi mode. =D

Repopulating wolves was a MISTAKE in my opinion.
All the old stories, they weren't wrong. Humans
are easy to hunt/kill for wolves.

The farmers/herdsmen SHOOT the things on sight even
now ... just don't TELL anybody.

On 12/4/24 4:00 PM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 14:07:42 +0100, D wrote:
>>
>>> So do I, but I still enjoy eating them. People are strange! Sometimes I
>>> do not understand them at all.
>>
>> I was able to compartmentalize as a kid. There was the friendly squirrel
>> we fed and then there was his cousins out in the woods that fed us.
>>
>> Before my time but my parents raised a pig. Pig farming is one thing but
>> raising one pig is something else since pigs are quite intelligent. The
>> pig got butchered in the fall and eaten but the experiment wasn't
>> repeated. They stuck to chickens.
>
> Yes, I imagine the more intelligent they are, and the fewer they are,
> the stronger connection you build, and the less tasty the food.
>
> Reminds me of the old Simpsons episode when Homer raises a small lobster
> only to consume it while crying.

Yep - we can mentally split such things. Pet calf -vs-
Big Mac ... entirely different even while not being
so different :-)

Kinda how we treat US and THEM too ... nothing is too
bad for The Enemy, for THEM ...

Maybe that's why our subspecies wound up the ONLY one,
seriously weird and hostile and LOVES cognitive dissonance :-)

Ah, the poor Neanderthals. Never stood a chance.

"Six impossible things before breakfast ..."

On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 01:37:58 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> As for bear ... it CAN be had sometimes in the American west.
> Wyoming, Montana, that general area. They are hunted, but not all so
> much by and large, so it's a matter of lucky timing.

There are bear seasons in the fall and spring. I don't know anyone
personally who hunts bear.

https://www.swanmountainoutfitters.com/trip/montana-black-bear-hunts/

Only $5000 per person for the 6 day Cast & Blast special. At least it's
fair chase. Some areas use hounds in the spring. Most of the nimrods
aren't hunting for the meat they just want to kill a bear. Personally I
root for the bears.

On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 01:42:48 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> The farmers/herdsmen SHOOT the things on sight even now ... just
> don't TELL anybody.

The acronym here is SSS. Shoot, shovel, and shut up.

https://assayjournal.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/jennifer-london-on-the-nine-
mile-wolves-by-rick-bass/

I worked at the Ninemile Ranger Station in '89 and '90 when the wolves
showed up. It was a pack that drifted down from Canada not a planned
reintroduction. They ate a couple of llamas, no big lost. Llamas don't
belong here; wolves do.

There's a fund to reimburse ranchers for wolf kills but some people are
just itching to shoot a wolf. A few years back a couple of guys shot an
elk, It was late and they were tired so they decided to return the next
day to butcher it. The wolves had other ideas.

On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 01:28:57 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> Had a .44 Mag lever carbine - it was ideal for boar in dense brush
> ... strong enough and easy to whip around real quick. The boar hunts
> YOU as much as you hunt IT. I think someone offers a .50 S&W
> carbine/handgun combo now, but only use the handgun if you want fused
> wrists in yer old age

A friend bought a .454 Casull which was the big dog at the time. He was
pissed when S&W upped the ante. I draw the line at .357 and even then for
target practice I load closer to .38 Special specs.

On 04/12/2024 18:15, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 00:44:28 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> Alas, the way 'conservationists' tend to move-around species .......
>
> There was an attempt to reestablish the elk population in upstate New York
> which inadvertently introduced chronic wasting disease into the whitetail
> population. The jury is out on whether it's transmissible to humans.
>
> The bison in Yellowstone National Park are another source of controversy.
> The herds are infected with brucellosis and being wild tend to wander out
> of the park.
>
> https://thecounter.org/slaughtering-yellowstone-buffalo-brucellosis/
>
> Wolves, which are reintroducing themselves, are a source of controversy
> too. Lucky for the US wolves they don't have von der Leyden on their case.
>
Vonda Liar used to be a punk, back in the day.

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On 04/12/2024 18:55, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 11:09:48 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> I have a neighbour who does some kind of black currant wine and
>> apparently, according to my father, it was awful.
>
> I made a batch of dandelion wine when I was a kid. It was pretty rough. We
> got cider from a local farmer who had rigged up a tractor driven chopper
> and had a old jackscrew press. Bring your own jugs. Unfiltered and
> unpasteurized it tended to self ferment into sparkling cider.

And if you leave it open, into cider vinegar of excellent quality

> During prohibition some of my family took a more professional approach
> although the final product was applejack rather than cider.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applejack_(drink)
>

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On 04/12/2024 20:50, D wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 04/12/2024 13:09, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 04/12/2024 09:27, D wrote:
>>>>> They are very cute, but can be annoying!
>>>>
>>>> I can hear then running all over my roof as I write, Trees are too
>>>> close, Need cutting down.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Do you live in a small house in the middle of nowhere, right next to
>>> a lake and/or river with plenty of salmon? Maybe I could buy your
>>> house? ;)
>>
>> http://www.larksrise.com
>>
>
> It's enormous! Are you some kind of older english lord?

No. I built it in 2000

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On Thu, 5 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 21:59:00 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 11:09:48 +0100, D wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a neighbour who does some kind of black currant wine and
>>>> apparently, according to my father, it was awful.
>>>
>>> I made a batch of dandelion wine when I was a kid. It was pretty rough.
>>> We got cider from a local farmer who had rigged up a tractor driven
>>> chopper and had a old jackscrew press. Bring your own jugs. Unfiltered
>>> and unpasteurized it tended to self ferment into sparkling cider.
>>>
>>> During prohibition some of my family took a more professional approach
>>> although the final product was applejack rather than cider.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applejack_(drink)
>>
>> Never heard of, but sounds similar to Calvados. Would you say it is
>> similar?
>
> No idea, never having had Calvados. I had commercial applejack years ago
> and iirc it wouldn't be recognized as an apple product in a blind taste
> test.
>

Hmm, I wonder if it is difficult to make? My wifes father has about 15
apple trees or so in the country side and gets more apples than he can
deal with.