On 30/11/2024 20:56, D wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 30/11/2024 11:06, D wrote:

>>> Duck and ptarmigans are good! I suspect I would also like swans, but
>>> never had the chance to try.
>>
>> Illegal here unless you are the king!
>
> WTF!? In what medieval country do you live? ;) I had it in iceland, my
> grand father shot it and it was excellent!
>
United Kingdom. All swans belong to the crown and only Royalty is
allowed to eat it or serve it, and I think some university colleges.

>> Tried goose? That's expensive and full of grease but nice tasting.
>
> No, goose does sound like a good option too! It is very impopular here
> where I live in eastern europe. =(
>
Really?

>> And if wild and shot (Canada goose) very very good.
>
> I often thought about shooting a canada goose myself. There are 1000s of
> them in sweden, and 100s of them pooping in one of my favourite parks. I
> do wonder how full of poisons they are though? If they were clean,
> trying to kill a bird or two at night would be nice for me, and nice for
> the park! ;)

Canada geese just fine. Where I live there is an old moat round a 1000
year old Hall. Its a kind of trick stop for migrating geese on their
way to/from Scandinavia

Late friend decided to stand on the approach - geese turn into wind to
land there - and got *three* geese with two barrels.

The only poison in them was lead pellets and you spit those out.

The other delicacy is seafaring ducks. The ones that feed by the sea.
Never expect anything off a duck that lived in a pond, They always taste
of mud.

But the ones that live in estuaries are first rate.

--
"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".

Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14

On 01/12/2024 01:15, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 21:56:30 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> No, goose does sound like a good option too! It is very impopular here
>> where I live in eastern europe. =(
>
> After much pleading I convinced my mother to cook a Christmas goose. Once.
> I loved the crispy skin on duck but the goose was beyond the pale.
>
Farmed goose is about 50% fat, and by the time you have rendered that
out all that is left is skin bone and a bit of very tasty meat.

Wild goose is much better. Migrating carrying a tub of lard around is
not conducive to survival. Same goes for wild duck.

> I could talk her into making stuff I'd read about in some book like
> Yorkshire pudding but they were usually one-offs.

--
“when things get difficult you just have to lie”

― Jean Claud Jüncker

On 01/12/2024 01:09, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 21:54:31 +0100, D wrote:
>
>
>> After christmas, this is exactly the experiment I am embarking upon. The
>> wife will buy a chicken from a free range farm, and we'll see how it
>> compares. My bet is it will be better, but not good enough to get me to
>> enjoy chicken breast.
>
> It will probably taste like -- chicken.
>
>> The pie idea is good though!
>
> A pie would be a lot of work but it did remind me a chicken a la king. I
> haven't had it in ages but iirc it was edible.
>
> My goto for tasteless stuff like chicken, tilapia, or rockfish is a
> generous dollop of Mae Ploy's curry paste, red, yellow, or green depending
> on what's in the reefer and a can of coconut milk.
>
+1 except I mix my own curry spices.

Hot aromatic gingery and coconut is a classic taste

--
Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend.

"Saki"

On 01/12/2024 08:50, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 11/30/24 8:09 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 21:54:31 +0100, D wrote:
>>
>>
>>> After christmas, this is exactly the experiment I am embarking upon. The
>>> wife will buy a chicken from a free range farm, and we'll see how it
>>> compares. My bet is it will be better, but not good enough to get me to
>>> enjoy chicken breast.
>>
>> It will probably taste like -- chicken.
>>
>>> The pie idea is good though!
>>
>> A pie would be a lot of work but it did remind me a chicken a la king. I
>> haven't had it in ages but iirc it was edible.
>>
>> My goto for tasteless stuff like chicken, tilapia, or rockfish is a
>> generous dollop of Mae Ploy's curry paste, red, yellow, or green
>> depending
>> on what's in the reefer and a can of coconut milk.
>
>   Oh well, that's Older Age. Try a generous
>   sprinkle of Cayenne pepper and maybe a few
>   other spices. Makes tasteless less tasteless.
>
Nicked of a delicious tin of curry powder.
In the coffee grinder :
============-=
Coriander
Cumin
Fennel
Clove
Turmeric
Kashmiri Chilli
Fenugreek
Star anise
Asafoetida
Cinnamon

In the pan
======
Garlic
Ginger
Salt
Coconut cream
Curry leaves.

I use Mexican chillies for more heat

All this stuff is easily available in the UK with its massive Asian
population. Probably not on the average US or E European supermarket
shelves, but probably available by mail order in bulk.

Spices keep forever. I am still using up an accidental pot of nutmegs, a
pot of cloves and start anise from at least 25 years ago.

>   It is difficult to get the white-meat keto stuff
>   to taste like much of anything. I know very much.
>   But, the diet DOES become necessary. However
>   there is no reason it has to be gastronomic
>   atheism, sensory armageddon. It CAN be kinda
>   pepped-up for a very low price. Learn yer
>   spices. Peppers, look into mustard-seed ...
>
Yes.
It's the only way you can actually discover what your body will tolerate
and what it will not. Cook for yourself, what you find you like - and
what likes you!

--
Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend.

"Saki"

On 01/12/2024 08:39, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 11/30/24 1:22 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 00:19:28 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/29/24 4:42 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 05:06:58 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [Python] isn't REALLY meant for interactive web apps.
>>>>
>>>> There are quite a few frameworks for using Python to do exactly that.
>>>
>>> Yea, sort of, but they seem kinda clunky work-arounds to me.
>>
>> Really? Which ones would you describe that way? Work-arounds for what?
>
>   Server-side, PHP is about all that's properly
>   supported. The Server-Lords don't like even that,
>   uses up too many cycles. They'd LIKE to see all
>   the hard work done on YOUR box instead. That's
>   what JS does.
>
Well thats php.

Of course you can write CGI in any language if you like, it just gets
harder and more involved.

>   As such, you really won't find any straight-up
>   Python based server-side web interpreters. What
>   exists are ALL sort of kludges, some evoking
>   PHP to get things done.

AFAIK Apache can be configured to use any language for 'active pages' .
PHP is however the default.

I have PHP executing C programs when PHP alone isnt good enough, as well.

>
>   And how much longer for even PHP ?
>
>   It's money, it's politics. In the END expect
>   Joe User to LOSE now that everything is going
>   back to the old client/$erver model.
>

That isn't primarily a financial decision, its also technology driven.

With extra bandwidth between, the distinction between client and server
is very blurred - offload computation to the JavaScript client, or
perform it in a supported and single copied way on the server.

Its just another design choice. I use web based apps locally to control
things like media servers and my central heating, because I am familiar
with it. There is PHP and there is a lot of JavaScript and AJAX to make
everything work smoothly. And some C code behind the scenes on the
server. Example: PHP running as non-root cannot read root-only data,
but root permissioned C can...and pass the answer back to PHP

AJAX style bollocks is very much sharing between the server and client.
I can poll for new data on the server without reloading the web page.

Obviously I could write a client that has server features and push the
data, but to do that so it works on a PC/Laptop or mobile phone is too
much work. They all have web browsers so that's the vehicle.

I don't care about anything other than it looks OK and functions as I
want it to. So I use whatever seems the least work to achieve that.

I am not in love with computer languages and I never studied compsci. I
am an engineer who delights in making stuff *work*, and whether that
involves a 3D printer, milling machine or a hammer and chisel is all one
to me.

--
"What do you think about Gay Marriage?"
"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."

On 01/12/2024 09:19, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

>   Anyway ... I don't see the Server-Lords keen on
>   any server-side 'web-PY'. They want YOUR box to
>   do all the hard work. In time they're gonna take
>   away even PHP. Just watch .....

I am my own server lord.

That solves everything

Except access to commercial websites, which is a minefield of push style
marketing.

I actually got sent *in the post* the most extraordinary phishing
attempt. At least I assume it was that.

Someone had my full real name - *never* used except on sites allegedly
'secure' - postal address, and had found the only photograph of me on
the net - a photo at age 11, thoughtlessly posted by my cousin - and
included that with a hand written letter - or one printed to look like
hand written - from a sender who allegedly was a girl in Kazakhstan,
with a .ru email address.

All with loads of Kazak stamps on. Must have cost a fortune. I should
post the email address on line and flood his/her/its mail box.

I can't understand why I would be worth all that trouble...

...or the entity purporting to be Larry Ellison on a random board who
said my ideas were 'interesting' and wanted me to contact him...

Sure Larry. I came floating down the Danube yesterday on a water biscuit...

Who do these people think they are? Who do these people think I am?

It's the Internet dude. More Trolls, scamsters, Robots and AI than real
people.

Get used to it.
--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 01/12/2024 09:19, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>>   Anyway ... I don't see the Server-Lords keen on
>>   any server-side 'web-PY'. They want YOUR box to
>>   do all the hard work. In time they're gonna take
>>   away even PHP. Just watch .....
>
> I am my own server lord.
>
> That solves everything
> ...
> ..or the entity purporting to be Larry Ellison on a random board who
> said my ideas were 'interesting' and wanted me to contact him...
>
> Sure Larry. I came floating down the Danube yesterday on a water biscuit...
>
> Who do these people think they are? Who do these people think I am?

Who do they think they are? Con-men (although /they/ might not think
so).

Who do they think you are? A potential mark. The con-man game is all
about the law of averages. Try enough marks, and some will take the
bait and you'll (the con-man) get a payoff. To secure enough payoffs
they have to try a lot of potential marks to find the few that bite.

But they don't 'know' you, anymore than they know the other 1,000
potential marks they tested yesterday.

On Sun, 1 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 30/11/2024 20:54, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Well pie it with bacon mushroom and a white wine white sauce. Or curry the
>>> bugger.
>>> Or buy a chicken from someone who keeps them around the back yard eating
>>> worms and stuff. THEY have taste
>>
>> After christmas, this is exactly the experiment I am embarking upon. The
>> wife will buy a chicken from a free range farm, and we'll see how it
>> compares. My bet is it will be better, but not good enough to get me to
>> enjoy chicken breast.
>>
> I would concur with that. Chicken is cheap protein. Expecting it to be more
> is nuts. All reptiles - and birds evolved from reptiles - 'tastes like
> chicken'.

I read that in terms of protein, breeding snakes is the Donald Trump of
protein when it comes to price! A free business idea for this group could
be to start a snake breeding farm and sell chicken:ish, protein at very
good prices!

Then there's also insect protein. I do not know how it compared with snake
protein.

>
> Free range costs more and tastes a little better, but for the same money you
> could find a better bird to eat.

Duck should be possible to obtain here. I like duck!

>> The pie idea is good though!
>
> Europe is full of ideas for making shit food taste better.
> Porcini mushrooms (ceps) taste meatier than meat.

Amen!

> Spices add some sort of interest as do herbs, and garlic.
>
> However some foods are so shit that nothing works.

There is another method where you make the shit taste shittier, and
thereby the shit cancels out resulting in a less shittier final result!

On Sun, 1 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 30/11/2024 20:56, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/11/2024 11:06, D wrote:
>
>>>> Duck and ptarmigans are good! I suspect I would also like swans, but
>>>> never had the chance to try.
>>>
>>> Illegal here unless you are the king!
>>
>> WTF!? In what medieval country do you live? ;) I had it in iceland, my
>> grand father shot it and it was excellent!
>>
> United Kingdom. All swans belong to the crown and only Royalty is allowed to
> eat it or serve it, and I think some university colleges.

Surely no one follows this law? I mean, I am certain there's old cruft and
cobwebs in the swedish law book, but no one seriously follows it.

>>> Tried goose? That's expensive and full of grease but nice tasting.
>>
>> No, goose does sound like a good option too! It is very impopular here
>> where I live in eastern europe. =(
>>
> Really?

Haven't seen it in the store so far, nor have I heard of anyone eating it.

>>> And if wild and shot (Canada goose) very very good.
>>
>> I often thought about shooting a canada goose myself. There are 1000s of
>> them in sweden, and 100s of them pooping in one of my favourite parks. I do
>> wonder how full of poisons they are though? If they were clean, trying to
>> kill a bird or two at night would be nice for me, and nice for the park! ;)
>
> Canada geese just fine. Where I live there is an old moat round a 1000 year
> old Hall. Its a kind of trick stop for migrating geese on their way to/from
> Scandinavia
>
> Late friend decided to stand on the approach - geese turn into wind to land
> there - and got *three* geese with two barrels.

Blessings to your friend for reducing the amount of poopers that reach
sweden! This is very interesting! I have to talk to an acquaintance who is
a hunter to shoot one. If I find one in the country side, since they are
not shy at all, it should be completely feasible for me to shoot one with
my longbow. A bird the size of a canada goose is super easy to hit at 10
yards.

> The only poison in them was lead pellets and you spit those out.

An ancient trick I learned is that you put them close to an industrial
strength electro magnet and rip out the bullets. Alternatively you can but
them in an MRI machine. I know in medieval sweden, this is what they used
to do!

> The other delicacy is seafaring ducks. The ones that feed by the sea. Never
> expect anything off a duck that lived in a pond, They always taste of mud.

> But the ones that live in estuaries are first rate.

On Sun, 1 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 01/12/2024 09:19, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>>   Anyway ... I don't see the Server-Lords keen on
>>   any server-side 'web-PY'. They want YOUR box to
>>   do all the hard work. In time they're gonna take
>>   away even PHP. Just watch .....
>
> I am my own server lord.
>
> That solves everything
>
>
> Except access to commercial websites, which is a minefield of push style
> marketing.
>
> I actually got sent *in the post* the most extraordinary phishing attempt. At
> least I assume it was that.
>
> Someone had my full real name - *never* used except on sites allegedly
> 'secure' - postal address, and had found the only photograph of me on the net
> - a photo at age 11, thoughtlessly posted by my cousin - and included that
> with a hand written letter - or one printed to look like hand written - from
> a sender who allegedly was a girl in Kazakhstan, with a .ru email address.
>
> All with loads of Kazak stamps on. Must have cost a fortune. I should post
> the email address on line and flood his/her/its mail box.
>
> I can't understand why I would be worth all that trouble...

Maybe you are very rich and powerful? Maybe _you_ are Larry Ellison? We
just don't know. ;)

> ..or the entity purporting to be Larry Ellison on a random board who said my
> ideas were 'interesting' and wanted me to contact him...
>
> Sure Larry. I came floating down the Danube yesterday on a water biscuit...
>
> Who do these people think they are? Who do these people think I am?
>
> It's the Internet dude. More Trolls, scamsters, Robots and AI than real
> people.
>
> Get used to it.
>

On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 11:18:01 +0100, D wrote:

> What was wrong with the goose? I saw a video on youtube where they
> cooked swan, and it was quite tough meat.

There is a reason a lot of the old folk remedies for chest colds involving
smearing goose grease on the victim. After rendering out the grease the
meat is dark and scanty relative to the size of the goose, like duck.

I think chickens and turkeys that have have been bred to maximize meat
spoil the playing field.

On 2024-12-01, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> I read that in terms of protein, breeding snakes is the Donald Trump of
> protein when it comes to price! A free business idea for this group could
> be to start a snake breeding farm and sell chicken:ish, protein at very
> good prices!

Maybe you could extract snake oil and sell that too.

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey

On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 11:21:34 +0100, D wrote:

> That was literally my first though when I saw the letter combination
> KFC... yuck, the coating! But never thought about actually just removing
> it, but it does seem like a waste to buy 0.5kg och chicken and removem
> 0.25 kg of coating.

But that's the good part! When we were dating my wife and I usually wound
up a KFC sharing a bucket. On one road trip we found the worst KFC outlet
-- in Kentucky. Also, eating KFC while driving isn't recommended. Greasing
the steering wheel isn't recommended.

I haven't had it or other deep fried chicken variants in decades. Tastes
change.

On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 10:36:18 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Europe is full of ideas for making shit food taste better.
> Porcini mushrooms (ceps) taste meatier than meat.
>
> Spices add some sort of interest as do herbs, and garlic.
>
> However some foods are so shit that nothing works.

US cuisine, particularly that derived from Mexico, is the result of trying
to make meat well past its sell-by date edible.

During my trucking days I delivered a load of dry beans to a well known
canned chili maker. The truck at the dock next to me was a reefer full of
chicken. As we were being unloaded I talked to the trucker. His sad story
was his refrigeration unit had broken down and the load had defrosted to
the point where the original consignee refused it. The trucking company
had found a way to get rid of the load so it wasn't a complete loss.

I'm not a fan of canned chili and I definitely avoided that brand.

On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:32:59 +0100, D wrote:

> I read that in terms of protein, breeding snakes is the Donald Trump of
> protein when it comes to price! A free business idea for this group
> could be to start a snake breeding farm and sell chicken:ish, protein at
> very good prices!

https://amaroohills.com/collections/emu

I don't know about snake but raising emus was a get rich quick scheme
years ago. A company at the Arizona state fair was giving out emu burgers
to attract attention. It wasn't objectionable but the idea didn't catch
on. It has the 'neither fish nor fowl' problem. It doesn't taste like
chicken or quite like beef.

On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 10:46:30 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> +1 except I mix my own curry spices.

https://hot-thai-kitchen.com/curry-paste-review/

Thai curry is a little different to Indian curry. There isn't a large
Asian population in this area so items like the shrimp paste would be hard
to source.

On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 10:42:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> The only poison in them was lead pellets and you spit those out.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/toxic-montana-lakes-kills-
hundreds-and-maybe-thousands-snow-geese-180961356/

You wouldn't want to dine on one of those geese.

On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 11:08:46 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Of course you can write CGI in any language if you like ...

CGI has terrible performance, and is not recommended for production use.
There is still FastCGI, but that also seems to be obsolescent -- certainly
it was never updated to handle WebSocket connections.

> AFAIK Apache can be configured to use any language for 'active pages' .
> PHP is however the default.

There is no “PHP default” in Apache. Apache comes with a standard set of
loadable modules for various purposes, and there are third-party ones for
PHP and Python (mod_php, mod_python) and no doubt other languages, none of
which are part of Apache itself. But running as a module within Apache has
limitations: this is another reason† why it’s hard for PHP to support
WebSockets.

A better way to run code in a language of your choice is to have your app
implement its own mini web server, and have Apache or Nginx provide access
to that via a server-side proxy (commonly misnamed a “reverse proxy”).
This way, your code has total control over its own process(es) and
privileges and network access and everything. This also allows for
WebSocket connections.

†besides bad language design

On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 04:19:07 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> Anyway ... I don't see the Server-Lords keen on any server-side
> 'web-PY'. They want YOUR box to do all the hard work. In time they're
> gonna take away even PHP. Just watch .....

I see it going the other way: the only way online services can control
your experience to their liking is if your machine becomes just a dumb
terminal with minimal autonomous functionality.

On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:38:37 +0100, D wrote:

> An ancient trick I learned is that you put them close to an industrial
> strength electro magnet and rip out the bullets. Alternatively you can
> but them in an MRI machine. I know in medieval sweden, this is what they
> used to do!

Lead pellets? Since 1988 the US has required non-toxic shot for waterfowl.
The cheapest is steel, which would possibly work. The problem is steel
doesn't perform too well. The other popular choices are bismuth, which is
diamagnetic, and tungsten, which is parmagnetic.

On Sun, 1 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 11:18:01 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> What was wrong with the goose? I saw a video on youtube where they
>> cooked swan, and it was quite tough meat.
>
> There is a reason a lot of the old folk remedies for chest colds involving
> smearing goose grease on the victim. After rendering out the grease the
> meat is dark and scanty relative to the size of the goose, like duck.
>
> I think chickens and turkeys that have have been bred to maximize meat
> spoil the playing field.
>

Ahh, ok, yes that makes sense.

On Sun, 1 Dec 2024, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2024-12-01, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>> I read that in terms of protein, breeding snakes is the Donald Trump of
>> protein when it comes to price! A free business idea for this group could
>> be to start a snake breeding farm and sell chicken:ish, protein at very
>> good prices!
>
> Maybe you could extract snake oil and sell that too.
>

Touché! And let's not forget selling the snake eyes to Las Vegas!

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 01/12/2024 08:39, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> On 11/30/24 1:22 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 00:19:28 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>> On 11/29/24 4:42 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 05:06:58 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [Python] isn't REALLY meant for interactive web apps.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are quite a few frameworks for using Python to do exactly that.
>>>>
>>>> Yea, sort of, but they seem kinda clunky work-arounds to me.
>>>
>>> Really? Which ones would you describe that way? Work-arounds for what?
>>
>> Server-side, PHP is about all that's properly
>> supported. The Server-Lords don't like even that,
>> uses up too many cycles. They'd LIKE to see all
>> the hard work done on YOUR box instead. That's
>> what JS does.
>>
> Well thats php.
>
> Of course you can write CGI in any language if you like, it just gets
> harder and more involved.
>
>> As such, you really won't find any straight-up
>> Python based server-side web interpreters. What
>> exists are ALL sort of kludges, some evoking
>> PHP to get things done.
>
> AFAIK Apache can be configured to use any language for 'active pages' .
> PHP is however the default.

Yes I've done simple CGI scripts in Bash even. Apache and PHP have
an extra link in the form of mod_php. That runs PHP scripts from
Apache without starting a separate process for the interpreter.
Apparantly there was a mod_Python but development was abandoned.

PHP also has OPcache for caching compiled copies of scripts for
performance. I'm not sure if that can be done so transparently with
Python (since I dislike Python anyway, I'm not that interested).

--
__ __
#_ < |\| |< _#

On Sun, 1 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:32:59 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> I read that in terms of protein, breeding snakes is the Donald Trump of
>> protein when it comes to price! A free business idea for this group
>> could be to start a snake breeding farm and sell chicken:ish, protein at
>> very good prices!
>
> https://amaroohills.com/collections/emu
>
> I don't know about snake but raising emus was a get rich quick scheme
> years ago. A company at the Arizona state fair was giving out emu burgers
> to attract attention. It wasn't objectionable but the idea didn't catch
> on. It has the 'neither fish nor fowl' problem. It doesn't taste like
> chicken or quite like beef.
>

Never heard of! I thought the go to for better yield would be ostrich.

On Sun, 1 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:38:37 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> An ancient trick I learned is that you put them close to an industrial
>> strength electro magnet and rip out the bullets. Alternatively you can
>> but them in an MRI machine. I know in medieval sweden, this is what they
>> used to do!
>
> Lead pellets? Since 1988 the US has required non-toxic shot for waterfowl.
> The cheapest is steel, which would possibly work. The problem is steel
> doesn't perform too well. The other popular choices are bismuth, which is
> diamagnetic, and tungsten, which is parmagnetic.
>

Had no idea! The usenet is fantastic... all these little wonderful nuggets
of information I would never run into on the regular old internet, without
actively looking for it.