On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 02:56:51 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> But [PHP] still Gets It Done.

Unfortunately, the fact that it is architected around the HTTP request/
response model limits its flexibility somewhat. For example, it makes it
awkward to handle WebSocket connections.

For contrast, Python has an event-driven specification called ASGI, which
deals with both regular HTTP connections and WebSockets in a single
framework. And it also handles long-running background processes as well
(another thing PHP tends to have trouble with).

> I like PHP because it makes the gigabuck SERVER do
> most of the work, unlike JS.

Heard of Node JS?

On 11/28/24 3:38 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 02:22:36 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> Oh, are you USA ? A "Stuckeys" was a kinda low- class crappy
>> fast-food joint, usually located at the exits on interstate highways.
>> Tiny burnt burgers. The toilets were nefarious .......
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuckey's
>
> It's been over 60 years but I don't think they ever had fast food back
> then. They specialized in pecans and had just the nuts, shelled or
> unshelled, but had a lot of nut based candies that I would consider sickly
> sweet these days. That's in keeping with southern tastes. They favor sweet
> tea that a hummingbird would consider overkill.

"Stuckeys" was maybe 1965 on.

https://stuckeys.com/our-locations/

Alas not ENTIRELY gone ... terrible burnt/greasy
food. BUT, to the hungry burnt-out hung-over
highway traveler, well .....

> They also had novelty gifts. I remember one was a small box labeled Pecans
> that had two miniature milk cans when you opened it. The humor is obscure
> unless you understand the difference between the northern and southern
> pronunciations.
>
> On the '50s and into the '60s it was a different world south of the Mason
> Dixon line. When we visited my brother at Huntsville AL in '58 it was
> still segregated. Wernher von Braun and his crew must have found it
> ironical.

It's still a different world south of the line :-)

Not Von Braun's America, but still "different".
I'd say "more real" as opposed to the yankee
intellectual/ideological abstractions.

Oh well, all of that is taking full power in a
couple of months.

On 11/28/24 5:04 AM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 23:12:47 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>
>>>    But it was writ in the Magic Crystal - and I lost it down the commode
>>>    at a Stuckeys in 1978 ........
>>
>> It's a wonder I didn't lose more than pascal down the commode. They
>> were a
>> southern thing when I was a kid and could look at a pecan pie without
>> going into insulin shock. By the time they spread I was past sugar as an
>> essential food group.
>>
>
> This is interesting! Have you, like me, become increasingly sensitive to
> sugar as you grew older?
>
> When I was young, I could drink enormous amounts of Coca Cola nad enjoy
> it. Today it is not longer possible. At most, I can drink 15-20 cl on a
> hot summer day, and that's about it.
>
> Same with chocolate. I can eat 3-4 small pieces, and then I'm full.

I'm gonna say YES ... mass-quantities as a youth were
totally ok, but after maybe 55 ......

"Metabolic de-rating" perhaps.

Now it's mostly white-meat keto ...

On 11/28/24 1:22 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 28/11/2024 10:04, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 23:12:47 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>    But it was writ in the Magic Crystal - and I lost it down the
>>>> commode
>>>>    at a Stuckeys in 1978 ........
>>>
>>> It's a wonder I didn't lose more than pascal down the commode. They
>>> were a
>>> southern thing when I was a kid and could look at a pecan pie without
>>> going into insulin shock. By the time they spread I was past sugar as an
>>> essential food group.
>>>
>>
>> This is interesting! Have you, like me, become increasingly sensitive
>> to sugar as you grew older?
>>
>> When I was young, I could drink enormous amounts of Coca Cola nad
>> enjoy it. Today it is not longer possible. At most, I can drink 15-20
>> cl on a hot summer day, and that's about it.
>>
>> Same with chocolate. I can eat 3-4 small pieces, and then I'm full.
>
> Sadly with age I have had to abandon nearly all starch, as well as
> nearly all vegetables. I have more than one condition kept in check my
> diets so strict they make life increasingly miserable...it's now more a
> question of what I can eat, rather than what I can't.
>
> Life's a bitch
> And then you die.

Well ... you can drag that last bit out quite a bit
by not eating 5000 cals of sugar/equivs every day :-)

Let's see ... today ... egg sandwich without the bread,
turkey sub contents (sans bread), ONE peanut-butter cup
(GOTTA have a LITTLE fix), HALF the contents of small
"American Sub" - bird/salami/ham, a small quantity of
nuts and a couple drinks to kill the pain ... and that's
it. Mostly skip the salami stuff but the stores don't
always have what I want - more turkey. Prob most all
vitamins from the egg. This has been it for almost 10
years now. Sugar levels "holding" around 90.

ONCE a week either a 4-piece KFC, stripped of greasy
skin, or two beef hot-dogs. Even a trace of those
11 herbs & spices are STILL tasty. Tonight, one
can of albacore tuna (spend a tiny bit xtra on
the higher-quality stuff).

But a Horrible Truth. Early this year a small town
in the US heartland (Tennessee/W.VA ?) was in the
news because a landslide had largely cut off the
roads. The News went to the city council meeting
where many of the residents were complaining about
the lack of supplies. ALMOST TO THE PERSON they
were SO fat that you could have literally rolled
them down a hill - not kidding - I mean REALLY fat -
like 9999 cal/day of junk carbs & beer fat. Men,
women, the kids - all of them.

They were in a panic at the thought of cutting back
to just maybe 7000 cals for a week or two .......

Even in my high-cal youth it was NOT like this and
we DID suck down a LOT of "junk" - ALWAYS huge bags
of chips and chocolate cookies and cheeze puffs and
greasy salted bits. NOT sure what the hell has happened.
You'd almost think some secret bio-warfare ingredient
was introduced like 25 years ago ......

Maybe RFK can sort it out. Not so hopeful though ...

Ah, "Buffy" is over ... time to go to bed. Clearly
I'm bio-fixed on a "night shift" cycle. Screw the
fuckin' self-superior dawn-2-dusk farmers, too 1700s :-)

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 11/28/24 5:04 AM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 23:12:47 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>    But it was writ in the Magic Crystal - and I lost it down the commode
>>>>    at a Stuckeys in 1978 ........
>>>
>>> It's a wonder I didn't lose more than pascal down the commode. They were a
>>> southern thing when I was a kid and could look at a pecan pie without
>>> going into insulin shock. By the time they spread I was past sugar as an
>>> essential food group.
>>>
>>
>> This is interesting! Have you, like me, become increasingly sensitive to
>> sugar as you grew older?
>>
>> When I was young, I could drink enormous amounts of Coca Cola nad enjoy it.
>> Today it is not longer possible. At most, I can drink 15-20 cl on a hot
>> summer day, and that's about it.
>>
>> Same with chocolate. I can eat 3-4 small pieces, and then I'm full.
>
>
> I'm gonna say YES ... mass-quantities as a youth were
> totally ok, but after maybe 55 ......
>
> "Metabolic de-rating" perhaps.
>
> Now it's mostly white-meat keto ...
>

Looking at my father who is 32 years older, I think the pattern holds,
although at times, he can eat way more candy than I can. His doctors has
called him naughty due to elevated blood sugar levels, so he had to cut
down.

The other week the doctor called him out for an increase in cholesterol,
and suggested a more vegetarian diet. My father told him that's never
gonna happen, so the doctor sighed and gave him some medicine instead. End
result: happy patient! ;)

On 11/28/24 3:52 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 02:56:51 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>
>> Well, there IS a certain v0.5 feel about it
>>
>> But it still Gets It Done.
>>
>> I like PHP because it makes the gigabuck SERVER do most of the work,
>> unlike JS.
>>
>> Once wrote a short JS with lots of deep math/trig and string stuff in
>> it - just a few lines - to punish people who didn't know the
>> password. All the cooling fans would rev up to full almost instantly
>>
>
> I used CGI and FastCGI mostly, and then Node.js eventually. The server
> side js did a little work but with the Esri JavaScript API the client side
> did most of the heavy lifting. The backend served up GeoJSON but other
> processes created it. The most work was querying the database for
> historical information in a couple of applications like crime analysis.

My last org did use ESRI - there has to be a muta-acronym
for "rip off LOTS of money because we CAN".

But, I never scripted it.

Took one or two classes - but the product was changing
so fast they were just useless.

Oddly, my previous boss and I wanted to WRITE a GIS
way back in the mid 80s ... but the subject was too
deep and we never really got to it.

Anyway, try to make the gigabuck server farms do
most of the work :-)

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
> On 27/11/2024 18:32, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>> You can absolutely write an allocator that does that if you
>> want. You’ll
>> pay for it in performance and memory usage, but it might well be
>> worthwhile in a given application.
>> However, it doesn’t fully solve the problem. Suppose the sequence of
>> operations (with lots going on between) happens to look like this:
>> int *p = malloc(xxx);
>> // ...
>> free(p);
>> // ...
>> int *q = malloc(yyy);
>> // ...
>> free(p); // double free of p
>> // ...
>> *q = 1;
>> If p!=q then a tracking allocator like you envisage would spot the
>> error. But if it happens that p=q (which is entirely possible) then the
>> tracking allocator won’t notice the problem. The program will start to
>> misbehave seriously when the it access the (now freed) memory pointed to
>> be q.
>
> Ah. But I cant see how to prevent that unless you give every block a
> UID as well.
> Which isn't a huge overhead.

No, there’s only one block of memory in play here, so that won’t
help.

--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

On 11/28/24 4:36 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 02:56:51 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> But [PHP] still Gets It Done.
>
> Unfortunately, the fact that it is architected around the HTTP request/
> response model limits its flexibility somewhat. For example, it makes it
> awkward to handle WebSocket connections.

It's awkward for a lot of things.

But remember, it grew up right at the same time
the web did ... "sophistication" really wasn't
the priority then.

PHP *can* be used for most anything web-related,
and even as a stand-alone, but it's not gonna
be super-easy for all that. It is what it is.

> For contrast, Python has an event-driven specification called ASGI, which
> deals with both regular HTTP connections and WebSockets in a single
> framework. And it also handles long-running background processes as well
> (another thing PHP tends to have trouble with).

Python grew up a bit later.

And it isn't REALLY meant for interactive web apps.

Kinda surprised there's no real "Web-PY" scripting app
(kinda aside from Flask) to compete head to head with
PHP for server-side.

>> I like PHP because it makes the gigabuck SERVER do
>> most of the work, unlike JS.
>
> Heard of Node JS?

Heard, but never USED. I can DO web pages, but it's
not my favorite kind of programming. Had to do pages
for a "digital signage" app - pick yer pix/text/vids
and set order/duration/transitions/etc. Got it to
WORK (alas some PHP had to make files to xfer info
to other PHPs) but NOT really pleasant. Apparently
there's a canned DS Linux 'distro' now, but I've
never tried it. Retired now, never will.

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
> On 28/11/2024 14:19, Rich wrote:
>> For performance reasons you'd want to maintain some index data
>> structure that can be searched faster than O(N), which becomes
>> additional overhead for the malloc's and for free. As well, as Richard
>> K. also says in his posts, just that is not enough to track and ignore
>> all double free operations. Which adds on even more overhead.
>
> Its not hard to do a binary search on an ordered linked list, and its
> a piece if piss to insert to make it ordered

Binary search on a doubly linked list would have O(n) time
complexity. For a singly linked list, you’re looking at more like
O(n.log n). Both would have truly terribly cache behavior, further
impacting performance.

A linear search would actually be faster than this proposal. The right
answer is a balanced tree or a hash table.

--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

On 29/11/2024 08:18, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> It's still a different world south of the line  🙂
>
>   Not Von Braun's America, but still "different".
>   I'd say "more real" as opposed to the yankee
>   intellectual/ideological abstractions.
>
>   Oh well, all of that is taking full power in a
>   couple of months.

Not just south, but West, if you ignore the fantasy existence of
Californians and the brown-rice-and-hiking-boots people of the North West.

I once defined New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have
your heart in the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your
hand is in someone else's pocket..

Its OK for hippies to live like that: Just not the whole government

--
“Progress is precisely that which rules and regulations did not foresee,”

– Ludwig von Mises

On 29/11/2024 08:21, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 11/28/24 5:04 AM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 23:12:47 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>    But it was writ in the Magic Crystal - and I lost it down the
>>>> commode
>>>>    at a Stuckeys in 1978 ........
>>>
>>> It's a wonder I didn't lose more than pascal down the commode. They
>>> were a
>>> southern thing when I was a kid and could look at a pecan pie without
>>> going into insulin shock. By the time they spread I was past sugar as an
>>> essential food group.
>>>
>>
>> This is interesting! Have you, like me, become increasingly sensitive
>> to sugar as you grew older?
>>
>> When I was young, I could drink enormous amounts of Coca Cola nad
>> enjoy it. Today it is not longer possible. At most, I can drink 15-20
>> cl on a hot summer day, and that's about it.
>>
>> Same with chocolate. I can eat 3-4 small pieces, and then I'm full.
>
>
>   I'm gonna say YES ... mass-quantities as a youth were
>   totally ok, but after maybe 55 ......
>
>   "Metabolic de-rating" perhaps.
>
>   Now it's mostly white-meat keto ...

Oh I can eat red meat all right. All meat and all fish.
Not much else though :-)

--
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

On 29/11/2024 09:24, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 11/28/24 1:22 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 28/11/2024 10:04, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 23:12:47 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>    But it was writ in the Magic Crystal - and I lost it down the
>>>>> commode
>>>>>    at a Stuckeys in 1978 ........
>>>>
>>>> It's a wonder I didn't lose more than pascal down the commode. They
>>>> were a
>>>> southern thing when I was a kid and could look at a pecan pie without
>>>> going into insulin shock. By the time they spread I was past sugar
>>>> as an
>>>> essential food group.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is interesting! Have you, like me, become increasingly sensitive
>>> to sugar as you grew older?
>>>
>>> When I was young, I could drink enormous amounts of Coca Cola nad
>>> enjoy it. Today it is not longer possible. At most, I can drink 15-20
>>> cl on a hot summer day, and that's about it.
>>>
>>> Same with chocolate. I can eat 3-4 small pieces, and then I'm full.
>>
>> Sadly with age I have had to abandon nearly all starch, as well as
>> nearly all vegetables. I have more than one condition kept in check my
>> diets so strict they make life increasingly miserable...it's now more
>> a question of what I can eat, rather than what I can't.
>>
>> Life's a bitch
>> And then you die.
>
>   Well ... you can drag that last bit out quite a bit
>   by not eating 5000 cals of sugar/equivs every day  :-)
>

I cant even hack 50g of wheat starch in a day.

>   Ah, "Buffy" is over ... time to go to bed. Clearly
>   I'm bio-fixed on a "night shift" cycle. Screw the
>   fuckin' self-superior dawn-2-dusk farmers, too 1700s :-)

I recorded the whole damn series when I finally got to watch it two
years ago.
I wonder if I'll ever watch it again.

--
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

On 29/11/2024 09:29, D wrote:
> The other week the doctor called him out for an increase in cholesterol,
> and suggested a more vegetarian diet. My father told him that's never
> gonna happen, so the doctor sighed and gave him some medicine instead.
> End result: happy patient!

Ignorant doctors. Cholesterol is made by the body to deal with too much
starch.

I get a fortnightly injection for that. Self administered. The quacks
are happy with the results.

Statins are fucking dreadful.

--
The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all
private property.

Karl Marx

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 05:06:58 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> Kinda surprised there's no real "Web-PY" scripting app (kinda aside
> from Flask) to compete head to head with PHP for server-side.

https://data-flair.training/blogs/django-vs-php/

https://devtechnosys.com/insights/tech-comparison/flask-vs-php/

https://blog.jetbrains.com/pycharm/2023/11/django-vs-flask-which-is-the-
best-python-web-framework/

FastAPI is gaining popularity. Like it says it's faster than django or
flask and is very nice for REST work. You can create a REST interface with
django but it's an uphill fight.

PHP has momentum and plenty of legacy sites but as Python becomes the
Swiss Army knife I think it owns the future.

On 2024-11-29, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 29/11/2024 09:29, D wrote:
>
>> The other week the doctor called him out for an increase in cholesterol,
>> and suggested a more vegetarian diet. My father told him that's never
>> gonna happen, so the doctor sighed and gave him some medicine instead.
>> End result: happy patient!
>
> Ignorant doctors. Cholesterol is made by the body to deal with too much
> starch.
>
> I get a fortnightly injection for that. Self administered. The quacks
> are happy with the results.
>
> Statins are fucking dreadful.

In what way? I take 10mg of Crestor (rosuvastatin) daily and don't
have any problems. I can even eat grapefruit.

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 04:24:48 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> Even in my high-cal youth it was NOT like this and we DID suck down a
> LOT of "junk" - ALWAYS huge bags of chips and chocolate cookies and
> cheeze puffs and greasy salted bits. NOT sure what the hell has
> happened.
> You'd almost think some secret bio-warfare ingredient was introduced
> like 25 years ago ......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 10:29:24 +0100, D wrote:

> The other week the doctor called him out for an increase in cholesterol,
> and suggested a more vegetarian diet. My father told him that's never
> gonna happen, so the doctor sighed and gave him some medicine instead.
> End result: happy patient!

I had my yearly physical Monday and my doctor is happy with my
cholesterol. with the HDL well over 60 mg/dL and LDL toward the low end of
the scale. My vegetable intake is mostly garlic and onions, fried in olive
oil, with two eggs and a slice of cheese. I did eat a yam yesterday with a
slice of rib roast. Last week I made a batch of Jaegerkohl which at
least has cabbage along with the bacon, kielbasa, and ground beef. Onion
and garlic, of course, and I even threw in a couple of carrots.

I don't dislike vegetables but I seldom remember to buy any. Except onions
and garlic. Are you seeing a pattern here?

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 13:19:11 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Oh I can eat red meat all right. All meat and all fish.
> Not much else though

My menu varies between pig and cow with a sheep thrown in every few
months. Sometimes it's pig and cow together since I throw a pound or so of
ground pork in my meatloaf.

I was on a fish kick and got tired of it except for pickled herring.

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 04:48:40 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> My last org did use ESRI - there has to be a muta-acronym
> for "rip off LOTS of money because we CAN".

They do that very well. There are alternatives like QGIS and the
associated GDAL tools, leaflet for JavasScript pages, and MapServer but
like OBM and Windows nobody ever got fired for using Esri.

> Took one or two classes - but the product was changing so fast they
> were just useless.

The transition from 8.x to 9.x was painful. I went to a seminar that was
mostly Forest Service people and they were not happy when they were told
it wasn't an easy migration. 9.x to 10.x made some changes in the way an
application initialized the license but it was mostly incremental
improvements. 10.x to 11.x was a breaking change. 10.x was 32-bit and they
went completely to 64-bit.

It wasn't exactly a surprise. Jack Dangermond always had a vision of
moving everything to the cloud (ArcGIS Online) and wasn't shy about
outlining the future in his presentations. The users got dragged along
kicking and screaming.

> Oddly, my previous boss and I wanted to WRITE a GIS way back in the
> mid 80s ... but the subject was too deep and we never really got to
> it.

The company I work for did develop a GIS system in the '90s. The database
used was dbVista which had advantages over the hybrid DBase shapefiles
Esri used. However the dispatch software was the product, not the
underlying GIS. Around 2005 more sites were using Esri and we offered it
as an option and eventually it dominated.

Typically a dispatch center does not have their own geodata. A county or
municipality uses Esri for their own purposes and we grab centerline and
landmark data from them. That has the advantage of picking up new data
long before it trickles down to Google, TIGER/Line, HERE or any of the
other sources.

On 29/11/2024 18:23, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2024-11-29, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 29/11/2024 09:29, D wrote:
>>
>>> The other week the doctor called him out for an increase in cholesterol,
>>> and suggested a more vegetarian diet. My father told him that's never
>>> gonna happen, so the doctor sighed and gave him some medicine instead.
>>> End result: happy patient!
>>
>> Ignorant doctors. Cholesterol is made by the body to deal with too much
>> starch.
>>
>> I get a fortnightly injection for that. Self administered. The quacks
>> are happy with the results.
>>
>> Statins are fucking dreadful.
>
> In what way? I take 10mg of Crestor (rosuvastatin) daily and don't
> have any problems. I can even eat grapefruit.
>
Muscle cramps were dreadful.

--
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

Mark Twain

On 29/11/2024 18:57, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 13:19:11 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Oh I can eat red meat all right. All meat and all fish.
>> Not much else though
>
> My menu varies between pig and cow with a sheep thrown in every few
> months. Sometimes it's pig and cow together since I throw a pound or so of
> ground pork in my meatloaf.

Excellent. I'll be round later.

>
> I was on a fish kick and got tired of it except for pickled herring.
>
Yup. I am not massively keen on fish but I like the pickled herrings and
smoked mackerrel, seafood and the occasional tuna, swordfish or salmon
steak. And sea bream.

Don't you shoot bambies for the pot? best meat ever.

--
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

Mark Twain

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 05:06:58 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

>[Python] isn't REALLY meant for interactive web apps.

There are quite a few frameworks for using Python to do exactly that.

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 29/11/2024 08:21, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> On 11/28/24 5:04 AM, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 23:12:47 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>    But it was writ in the Magic Crystal - and I lost it down the commode
>>>>>    at a Stuckeys in 1978 ........
>>>>
>>>> It's a wonder I didn't lose more than pascal down the commode. They were
>>>> a
>>>> southern thing when I was a kid and could look at a pecan pie without
>>>> going into insulin shock. By the time they spread I was past sugar as an
>>>> essential food group.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is interesting! Have you, like me, become increasingly sensitive to
>>> sugar as you grew older?
>>>
>>> When I was young, I could drink enormous amounts of Coca Cola nad enjoy
>>> it. Today it is not longer possible. At most, I can drink 15-20 cl on a
>>> hot summer day, and that's about it.
>>>
>>> Same with chocolate. I can eat 3-4 small pieces, and then I'm full.
>>
>>
>>   I'm gonna say YES ... mass-quantities as a youth were
>>   totally ok, but after maybe 55 ......
>>
>>   "Metabolic de-rating" perhaps.
>>
>>   Now it's mostly white-meat keto ...
>
> Oh I can eat red meat all right. All meat and all fish.
> Not much else though :-)

Be happy! You are not missing anything! My wife tries to feed me
vegetables sometimes. That makes me cry.

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 29/11/2024 09:29, D wrote:
>> The other week the doctor called him out for an increase in cholesterol,
>> and suggested a more vegetarian diet. My father told him that's never gonna
>> happen, so the doctor sighed and gave him some medicine instead. End
>> result: happy patient!
>
> Ignorant doctors. Cholesterol is made by the body to deal with too much
> starch.
>
> I get a fortnightly injection for that. Self administered. The quacks are
> happy with the results.
>
> Statins are fucking dreadful.

We will study Jordan Petersons future health with great interest!

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 10:29:24 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> The other week the doctor called him out for an increase in cholesterol,
>> and suggested a more vegetarian diet. My father told him that's never
>> gonna happen, so the doctor sighed and gave him some medicine instead.
>> End result: happy patient!
>
> I had my yearly physical Monday and my doctor is happy with my
> cholesterol. with the HDL well over 60 mg/dL and LDL toward the low end of
> the scale. My vegetable intake is mostly garlic and onions, fried in olive
> oil, with two eggs and a slice of cheese. I did eat a yam yesterday with a
> slice of rib roast. Last week I made a batch of Jaegerkohl which at
> least has cabbage along with the bacon, kielbasa, and ground beef. Onion
> and garlic, of course, and I even threw in a couple of carrots.
>
> I don't dislike vegetables but I seldom remember to buy any. Except onions
> and garlic. Are you seeing a pattern here?
>

You are a wise man, and also, a skilled cook!