On Fri, 29 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 13:19:11 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Oh I can eat red meat all right. All meat and all fish.
>> Not much else though
>
> My menu varies between pig and cow with a sheep thrown in every few
> months. Sometimes it's pig and cow together since I throw a pound or so of
> ground pork in my meatloaf.
>
> I was on a fish kick and got tired of it except for pickled herring.

Pickled herring is the Donald Trump of herrings! Highly recommended! On my
side, it's mostly pork and beef during autumn and winter. Spring and
summer a lot of fish (self-caught) is added.

Sadly the wife cooks chicken for lunch, and in my case it is "take it or
leave it", so I'll reluctantly take it. ;)

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 29/11/2024 18:57, rbowman wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 13:19:11 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> Oh I can eat red meat all right. All meat and all fish.
>>> Not much else though
>>
>> My menu varies between pig and cow with a sheep thrown in every few
>> months. Sometimes it's pig and cow together since I throw a pound or so of
>> ground pork in my meatloaf.
>
> Excellent. I'll be round later.
>
>>
>> I was on a fish kick and got tired of it except for pickled herring.
>>
> Yup. I am not massively keen on fish but I like the pickled herrings and
> smoked mackerrel, seafood and the occasional tuna, swordfish or salmon steak.
> And sea bream.
>
> Don't you shoot bambies for the pot? best meat ever.

Bambies is excellent meat! This is scientifically proven! Mackerel is also
very good fish, I agree!

On 11/29/24 13:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 29/11/2024 09:29, D wrote:
>> The other week the doctor called him out for an increase in
>> cholesterol, and suggested a more vegetarian diet. My father told him
>> that's never gonna happen, so the doctor sighed and gave him some
>> medicine instead. End result: happy patient!
>
> Ignorant doctors. Cholesterol is made by the body to deal with too much
> starch.
>
> I get a fortnightly injection for that. Self administered. The quacks
> are happy with the results.
>
> Statins are fucking dreadful.
>

I've taken simvastatin for over 25 years, and BP meds. I don't think I
have side effects.

The doctor says I should have a yearly review. In the review, the
clinician asks do you have side effects? I say how would I know what
are side effects and what is unrelated. The review clinician skips on,
saying side effects normally happen in the first few months. Next review
I'm going prepared. I'm going to make a long list of every ache and pain
I have.

Are you sure Cholesterol is due to starch? Last time I looked it was
saturated fats, and possibly starch. To be fair I've never been able to
work out what affects me. Benecol spread, stanols, seem to help, but I
have that on bread.

I think, maybe, stress made it worse.

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 21:04:31 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Don't you shoot bambies for the pot? best meat ever.

Nah. Around here I just have to hit them over the head with my 10" cast
iron frying pan when they're grazing on the lawn.

I was thinking about hitting one of the turkeys lounging around in the
middle of the road and claiming it as road kill but given the timing I
thought that might be suspicious. That didn't work with the last Bambi I
hit either. He left the scene of the accident. Just as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lndICo6_XOY

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 22:53:35 +0100, D wrote:

> Sadly the wife cooks chicken for lunch, and in my case it is "take it or
> leave it", so I'll reluctantly take it.

At one point boneless, skinless chicken breasts were inexpensive clean
protein. I ate enough of them that they now trigger sort of a gag reflex.
Every few months I'll get a CostCo rotisserie chicken but even then I'd as
soon feed the breast meat to the cat.

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 22:51:03 +0100, D wrote:

> We will study Jordan Petersons future health with great interest!

Mental? Did he mix in statins with the SSRIs, benzos, and ketamine?

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 22:52:16 +0100, D wrote:

> You are a wise man, and also, a skilled cook!

I was taught well. Both of my parents worked so whoever got home first
started supper. One summer day when all the windows were open my mother
walked down the driveway and yelled "Jesus Christ, Nels! Not onions
again!" When in doubt, peel an onion.

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 13:18:21 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I once defined New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have
> your heart in the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your
> hand is in someone else's pocket..

Sounds a lot like Apple Inc?

On 11/29/24 1:53 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 10:29:24 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> The other week the doctor called him out for an increase in cholesterol,
>> and suggested a more vegetarian diet. My father told him that's never
>> gonna happen, so the doctor sighed and gave him some medicine instead.
>> End result: happy patient!
>
> I had my yearly physical Monday and my doctor is happy with my
> cholesterol. with the HDL well over 60 mg/dL and LDL toward the low end of
> the scale. My vegetable intake is mostly garlic and onions, fried in olive
> oil, with two eggs and a slice of cheese. I did eat a yam yesterday with a
> slice of rib roast. Last week I made a batch of Jaegerkohl which at
> least has cabbage along with the bacon, kielbasa, and ground beef. Onion
> and garlic, of course, and I even threw in a couple of carrots.
>
> I don't dislike vegetables but I seldom remember to buy any. Except onions
> and garlic. Are you seeing a pattern here?

Onions + Garlic + Cabbage .... wow, you Really REALLY
vont to be alone :-)

On 11/29/24 8:22 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 29/11/2024 09:24, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> On 11/28/24 1:22 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 28/11/2024 10:04, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 23:12:47 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>    But it was writ in the Magic Crystal - and I lost it down the
>>>>>> commode
>>>>>>    at a Stuckeys in 1978 ........
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a wonder I didn't lose more than pascal down the commode. They
>>>>> were a
>>>>> southern thing when I was a kid and could look at a pecan pie without
>>>>> going into insulin shock. By the time they spread I was past sugar
>>>>> as an
>>>>> essential food group.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is interesting! Have you, like me, become increasingly
>>>> sensitive to sugar as you grew older?
>>>>
>>>> When I was young, I could drink enormous amounts of Coca Cola nad
>>>> enjoy it. Today it is not longer possible. At most, I can drink
>>>> 15-20 cl on a hot summer day, and that's about it.
>>>>
>>>> Same with chocolate. I can eat 3-4 small pieces, and then I'm full.
>>>
>>> Sadly with age I have had to abandon nearly all starch, as well as
>>> nearly all vegetables. I have more than one condition kept in check
>>> my diets so strict they make life increasingly miserable...it's now
>>> more a question of what I can eat, rather than what I can't.
>>>
>>> Life's a bitch
>>> And then you die.
>>
>>    Well ... you can drag that last bit out quite a bit
>>    by not eating 5000 cals of sugar/equivs every day  :-)
>>
>
> I cant even hack 50g of wheat starch in a day.

I've become kind of the same way. Likely cutting WAY
back on the sugar-equivs for a time lowers your tolerance.

>>    Ah, "Buffy" is over ... time to go to bed. Clearly
>>    I'm bio-fixed on a "night shift" cycle. Screw the
>>    fuckin' self-superior dawn-2-dusk farmers, too 1700s :-)
>
> I recorded the whole damn series when I finally got to watch it two
> years ago.
> I wonder if I'll ever watch it again.

It was a *clever* series - well-writ with competent
actors. Somewhere between 'horror' and comedy with a
good dose of 'quirk' and some 'soap opera' thrown in.

Take a year off and then re-watch.

On 11/29/24 1:39 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 04:24:48 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> Even in my high-cal youth it was NOT like this and we DID suck down a
>> LOT of "junk" - ALWAYS huge bags of chips and chocolate cookies and
>> cheeze puffs and greasy salted bits. NOT sure what the hell has
>> happened.
>> You'd almost think some secret bio-warfare ingredient was introduced
>> like 25 years ago ......
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup

MAYbe ....

But I still wonder about some of the ingredients
way down on the list.

On 11/29/24 4:50 PM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 29/11/2024 08:21, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>> On 11/28/24 5:04 AM, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 23:12:47 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>    But it was writ in the Magic Crystal - and I lost it down the
>>>>>> commode
>>>>>>    at a Stuckeys in 1978 ........
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a wonder I didn't lose more than pascal down the commode. They
>>>>> were a
>>>>> southern thing when I was a kid and could look at a pecan pie without
>>>>> going into insulin shock. By the time they spread I was past sugar
>>>>> as an
>>>>> essential food group.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is interesting! Have you, like me, become increasingly
>>>> sensitive to sugar as you grew older?
>>>>
>>>> When I was young, I could drink enormous amounts of Coca Cola nad
>>>> enjoy it. Today it is not longer possible. At most, I can drink
>>>> 15-20 cl on a hot summer day, and that's about it.
>>>>
>>>> Same with chocolate. I can eat 3-4 small pieces, and then I'm full.
>>>
>>>
>>>    I'm gonna say YES ... mass-quantities as a youth were
>>>    totally ok, but after maybe 55 ......
>>>
>>>    "Metabolic de-rating" perhaps.
>>>
>>>    Now it's mostly white-meat keto ...
>>
>> Oh I can eat red meat all right. All meat and all fish.
>> Not much else though :-)
>
> Be happy! You are not missing anything! My wife tries to feed me
> vegetables sometimes. That makes me cry.

My granny despised "rabbit food" - stuck to the N.Euro
boiled meat/potatoes almost entirely. Lived well to 99.

I inherited her taste buds.

Alas the few veggies I could stand - ones most kids HATE -
I can't eat anymore because they have too much vitamin K.

On 11/29/24 1:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 05:06:58 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> Kinda surprised there's no real "Web-PY" scripting app (kinda aside
>> from Flask) to compete head to head with PHP for server-side.
>
> https://data-flair.training/blogs/django-vs-php/
>
> https://devtechnosys.com/insights/tech-comparison/flask-vs-php/
>
> https://blog.jetbrains.com/pycharm/2023/11/django-vs-flask-which-is-the-
> best-python-web-framework/

Of course to do server-side the server has to have
a Py/'webPY' interpreter running. They all have PHP,
'legacy', but the server lords REALLY don't love having
to take the burden so I wonder how many would install
a Py equiv.

> FastAPI is gaining popularity. Like it says it's faster than django or
> flask and is very nice for REST work. You can create a REST interface with
> django but it's an uphill fight.
>
> PHP has momentum and plenty of legacy sites but as Python becomes the
> Swiss Army knife I think it owns the future.

Agreed there. Python does basically *everything* now
without too much grief - and you can read it.

On 11/29/24 4:42 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 05:06:58 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> [Python] isn't REALLY meant for interactive web apps.
>
> There are quite a few frameworks for using Python to do exactly that.

Yea, sort of, but they seem kinda clunky work-arounds
to me. Some server-side Py interpreter as completely
at home as PHP is what we're looking for.

On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 00:19:28 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 11/29/24 4:42 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 05:06:58 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>
>>> [Python] isn't REALLY meant for interactive web apps.
>>
>> There are quite a few frameworks for using Python to do exactly that.
>
> Yea, sort of, but they seem kinda clunky work-arounds to me.

Really? Which ones would you describe that way? Work-arounds for what?

On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 00:16:47 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> Of course to do server-side the server has to have a Py/'webPY'
> interpreter running.

Just the regular Python interpreter will do fine.

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 23:42:32 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> It was a *clever* series - well-writ with competent actors. Somewhere
> between 'horror' and comedy with a good dose of 'quirk' and some
> 'soap opera' thrown in.

'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'? I made it through a couple of episodes but
couldn't stand Gellar. I did like the 'Angel' spinoff -except when Gellar
did a cameo. I watched stuff on Netflix DVDs so the order wasn't the same
as when the series were made. I'd seen Boreanaz in 'Bones' and Acker in
'Person of Interest' and liked them, prior to 'Angel'. I knew Borenaz was
in it but as soon as I heard her voice I knew it was Root even though I
didn't know her name.

Sometimes the order gets strange. In 'Deadwood' Gerald McRaney's character
was the one you most wanted to see fed to the hogs, but turned up as a
good guy in 'Jericho'.

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 23:50:54 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> Alas the few veggies I could stand - ones most kids HATE -
> I can't eat anymore because they have too much vitamin K.

Those are the ones I like, with one exception. Spinach, broccoli, brussels
sprouts, and asparagus are fine. I'm reading a historical series abut a
band of vikings sailing around and raising hell and the author mentions
kale several times. I've no idea if that is historically correct but I got
a bunch of kale to try. You've got to be a cow to appreciate that, or
maybe a deer. I threw most of it out on the lawn and it was gone in the
morning. I'm pretty sure it wasn't the cats or raccoons.

otoh my brother was relieved when they put him on rat poison and he didn't
have to eat broccoli anymore. He said it was the only thing where he
agreed with GHW Bush.

On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 00:16:47 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> Of course to do server-side the server has to have a Py/'webPY'
> interpreter running. They all have PHP, 'legacy', but the server
> lords REALLY don't love having to take the burden so I wonder how
> many would install a Py equiv.

Well, when you're running the server... Ubuntu seems to come with Apache
but I think the only thing worse is IIS. http://localhost on Fedora comes
up with a Fedora webserver page. Apparently it's Apache with some secret
sauce.

Back when LAMP was a big thing I stopped at the 'L'. I don't like Apache,
MySQL, or PHP.

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 23:31:33 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> Onions + Garlic + Cabbage .... wow, you Really REALLY vont to be
> alone

For some reason I dug up Steve Earle's 'Me and the Eagle' on youtube
tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWqKNQEQTw

"Some mornings will find me up above the timberline
Lonesome don't seem like much once you're this high
When it's all said and done I usually find
Me and the eagle are of the same mind

Now when I was young I took me a wife
But she never took to the high country life
So now I'm alone I don't really mind
But her name echoes down form the canyon sometimes"

When I talked to my ex Wednesday she said she'd lined up her favorite
restaurant to have a turkey dinner delivered at 12 noon by DoorDash or
something. No cabbage or onions and she told them to skip the wine and
pumpkin pie. (Type I diabetes) My and the eagle don't care for the big
city life.

On 30/11/2024 00:12, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 22:53:35 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Sadly the wife cooks chicken for lunch, and in my case it is "take it or
>> leave it", so I'll reluctantly take it.
>
> At one point boneless, skinless chicken breasts were inexpensive clean
> protein. I ate enough of them that they now trigger sort of a gag reflex.
> Every few months I'll get a CostCo rotisserie chicken but even then I'd as
> soon feed the breast meat to the cat.
>
Factory farm reared chicken is pretty tasteless. Round here get a lot of
game birds so I eat those. Also farmed duck is ok.

--
"I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah
puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".

On 29/11/2024 22:43, Pancho wrote:
> On 11/29/24 13:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 29/11/2024 09:29, D wrote:
>>> The other week the doctor called him out for an increase in
>>> cholesterol, and suggested a more vegetarian diet. My father told him
>>> that's never gonna happen, so the doctor sighed and gave him some
>>> medicine instead. End result: happy patient!
>>
>> Ignorant doctors. Cholesterol is made by the body to deal with too
>> much starch.
>>
>> I get a fortnightly injection for that. Self administered. The quacks
>> are happy with the results.
>>
>> Statins are fucking dreadful.
>>
>
> I've taken simvastatin for over 25 years, and BP meds. I don't think I
> have side effects.
>
> The doctor says I should have a yearly review. In the review, the
> clinician  asks do you have side effects? I say how would I know what
> are side effects and what is unrelated. The review clinician skips on,
> saying side effects normally happen in the first few months. Next review
> I'm going prepared. I'm going to make a long list of every ache and pain
> I have.
>
> Are you sure Cholesterol is due to starch? Last time I looked it was
> saturated fats, and possibly starch. To be fair I've never been able to
> work out what affects me. Benecol spread, stanols, seem to help, but I
> have that on bread.
>
> I think, maybe, stress made it worse.

As I understood it, the body makes it. You don't get it directly from
foods. It is something to do with fat transport round the body.

Google 'metabolic syndrome'. Type II diabetes, obesity, high blood
pressure and high cholesterol are all part of the same thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolic_syndrome

--
"I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah
puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".

On 30/11/2024 06:25, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 23:42:32 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> It was a *clever* series - well-writ with competent actors. Somewhere
>> between 'horror' and comedy with a good dose of 'quirk' and some
>> 'soap opera' thrown in.
>
> 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'? I made it through a couple of episodes but
> couldn't stand Gellar.

I think that was how it was supposed to be. An insufferable teenager.
Condemned to grow up.

> I did like the 'Angel' spinoff -except when Gellar
> did a cameo. I watched stuff on Netflix DVDs so the order wasn't the same
> as when the series were made. I'd seen Boreanaz in 'Bones' and Acker in
> 'Person of Interest' and liked them, prior to 'Angel'. I knew Borenaz was
> in it but as soon as I heard her voice I knew it was Root even though I
> didn't know her name.
>
> Sometimes the order gets strange. In 'Deadwood' Gerald McRaney's character
> was the one you most wanted to see fed to the hogs, but turned up as a
> good guy in 'Jericho'.
>
>
>

--
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have
forgotten your aim."

George Santayana

On 30/11/2024 06:39, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 23:50:54 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> Alas the few veggies I could stand - ones most kids HATE -
>> I can't eat anymore because they have too much vitamin K.
>
> Those are the ones I like, with one exception. Spinach, broccoli, brussels
> sprouts, and asparagus are fine. I'm reading a historical series abut a
> band of vikings sailing around and raising hell and the author mentions
> kale several times. I've no idea if that is historically correct but I got
> a bunch of kale to try. You've got to be a cow to appreciate that, or
> maybe a deer. I threw most of it out on the lawn and it was gone in the
> morning. I'm pretty sure it wasn't the cats or raccoons.
>
Kale is one of the most revolting brassicas.

> otoh my brother was relieved when they put him on rat poison and he didn't
> have to eat broccoli anymore. He said it was the only thing where he
> agreed with GHW Bush.

--
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have
forgotten your aim."

George Santayana

On 30/11/2024 06:53, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 00:16:47 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> Of course to do server-side the server has to have a Py/'webPY'
>> interpreter running. They all have PHP, 'legacy', but the server
>> lords REALLY don't love having to take the burden so I wonder how
>> many would install a Py equiv.
>
> Well, when you're running the server... Ubuntu seems to come with Apache
> but I think the only thing worse is IIS. http://localhost on Fedora comes
> up with a Fedora webserver page. Apparently it's Apache with some secret
> sauce.
>
> Back when LAMP was a big thing I stopped at the 'L'. I don't like Apache,
> MySQL, or PHP.

I learnt to tolerate them as sufficient for the job I wanted them to do.

--
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have
forgotten your aim."

George Santayana