D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 30/11/2024 20:56, D wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 30/11/2024 11:06, D wrote:
>>>>> Duck and ptarmigans are good! I suspect I would also like swans, but
>>>>> never had the chance to try.
>>>>
>>>> Illegal here unless you are the king!
>>>
>>> WTF!? In what medieval country do you live? ;) I had it in iceland, my
>>> grand father shot it and it was excellent!
>>>
>> United Kingdom. All swans belong to the crown and only Royalty is allowed to
>> eat it or serve it, and I think some university colleges.
>
> Surely no one follows this law? I mean, I am certain there's old cruft and
> cobwebs in the swedish law book, but no one seriously follows it.

I imagine that swan-lovers take advantage of it. But a documentary
I watced that visited a swan farm in the UK pointed out that the
law only applies to wild swans, those raised on a farm can be and
are sold and eaten by any old peasant.

--
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#_ < |\| |< _#

On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 04:19:07 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> Well, Apache isn't HORRIBLE. It's also well-refined and
> well-supported. NOT to be sneezed at. Newer stuff is smaller/faster
> ... but what do you lose ?

https://dev.to/emiliosp/nodejs-vs-apache-performance-battle-for-the-
conquest-of-my-5c4n

I haven't noticed that I lost anything using node.js. nginx is also taking
market share from Apache.

On 2 Dec 2024 07:13:01 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

> PHP also has OPcache for caching compiled copies of scripts for
> performance. I'm not sure if that can be done so transparently with
> Python ...

Not sure why it would be necessary for Python, since we are not using PHP-
style invocation methods.

On 2 Dec 2024 07:13:01 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

> Yes I've done simple CGI scripts in Bash even. Apache and PHP have an
> extra link in the form of mod_php. That runs PHP scripts from Apache
> without starting a separate process for the interpreter. Apparantly
> there was a mod_Python but development was abandoned.

mod_wsgi replaced mod_python. It works with with the frameworks like
djamgo and flask.

https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.0/howto/deployment/wsgi/modwsgi/

On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 22:14:21 +0100, D wrote:

> Never heard of! I thought the go to for better yield would be ostrich.

There was interest in ostrich farming at the same time as emus.

https://www.americanostrichfarms.com/

I think the choice had to do with how much land was available. I think
emus are a little more docile too. Like llamas the industry was
incestuous. The real money is in breeding pairs.

https://www.thepoultrysite.com/articles/commercial-ostrich-production

If you can get $12k for a pair of breeders you aren't going to sell them
for ostrich burgers.

On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 22:15:27 +0100, D wrote:

> Had no idea! The usenet is fantastic... all these little wonderful
> nuggets of information I would never run into on the regular old
> internet, without actively looking for it.

Waterfowl were the first concern for banning lead ammunition. The problem
is waterfowl tend to congregate causing hunters to congregate with the
result of a lot of lead shot in the pond. The birds scoop up the shot and
it winds up in their gizzards like normal grit.

So far there is no regulation on upland game birds. Doves probably are the
most at risk because of the way they tend to congregate.

There is also interest in lead free ammunition for handguns and rifles,
particularly for indoor ranges. A club I'm in got a questionnaire asking
about what they were doing to mitigate lead exposure to the employees.
That caused some head scratching since there are no employees and all the
ranges are outdoor.

Copper is a popular alternative for handgun ammunition. There are some
technical problems. The different ballistics have to be compensated for,
semiautomatics may not function as well, and, if you're not just punching
cardboard, the terminal ballistics differ. The ammunition is also more
expensive. Lead won't be going away anytime soon. Just wash your hands
after using.

https://esca-tech.com/product/d-lead-hand-soap/

On 12/1/24 6:21 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 01/12/2024 09:19, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>>    Anyway ... I don't see the Server-Lords keen on
>>    any server-side 'web-PY'. They want YOUR box to
>>    do all the hard work. In time they're gonna take
>>    away even PHP. Just watch .....
>
> I am my own server lord.

You host Google and Amazon and Hair Club For Men ? Wow !

>
> That solves everything
>
>
> Except access to commercial websites, which is a minefield of push style
> marketing.
>
> I actually got sent *in the post* the most extraordinary phishing
> attempt. At least I assume it was that.
>
> Someone had my full real name - *never* used except on sites allegedly
> 'secure' - postal address, and had found the only photograph of me on
> the net - a photo at age 11, thoughtlessly posted by my cousin - and
> included that with a hand written letter - or one printed to look like
> hand written -  from a sender who allegedly was a girl in Kazakhstan,
> with a .ru email address.
>
> All with loads of Kazak stamps on. Must have cost a fortune. I should
> post the email address on line and flood his/her/its mail box.
>
> I can't understand why I would be worth all that trouble...
>
> ..or the entity purporting to be Larry Ellison on a random board who
> said my ideas were 'interesting' and wanted me to contact him...
>
> Sure Larry. I came floating down the Danube yesterday on a water biscuit...
>
> Who do these people think they are? Who do these people think I am?
>
> It's the Internet dude. More Trolls, scamsters,  Robots and AI than real
> people.
>
> Get used to it.

Scams PAY - otherwise they'd have gone away a long
time ago. Play 100,000 people and if only a few
buy you a bushel of bitcoin you're solidly in
the black.

On Sun, 2 Dec 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 30/11/2024 20:56, D wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 30/11/2024 11:06, D wrote:
>>>>>> Duck and ptarmigans are good! I suspect I would also like swans, but
>>>>>> never had the chance to try.
>>>>>
>>>>> Illegal here unless you are the king!
>>>>
>>>> WTF!? In what medieval country do you live? ;) I had it in iceland, my
>>>> grand father shot it and it was excellent!
>>>>
>>> United Kingdom. All swans belong to the crown and only Royalty is allowed to
>>> eat it or serve it, and I think some university colleges.
>>
>> Surely no one follows this law? I mean, I am certain there's old cruft and
>> cobwebs in the swedish law book, but no one seriously follows it.
>
> I imagine that swan-lovers take advantage of it. But a documentary
> I watced that visited a swan farm in the UK pointed out that the
> law only applies to wild swans, those raised on a farm can be and
> are sold and eaten by any old peasant.
>

Excellent!

On Mon, 2 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 22:14:21 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Never heard of! I thought the go to for better yield would be ostrich.
>
> There was interest in ostrich farming at the same time as emus.
>
> https://www.americanostrichfarms.com/
>
> I think the choice had to do with how much land was available. I think
> emus are a little more docile too. Like llamas the industry was
> incestuous. The real money is in breeding pairs.
>
> https://www.thepoultrysite.com/articles/commercial-ostrich-production
>
> If you can get $12k for a pair of breeders you aren't going to sell them
> for ostrich burgers.

That makes sense!

On 01/12/2024 17:32, D wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 30/11/2024 20:54, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Well pie it with bacon mushroom and a white wine white sauce. Or
>>>> curry the bugger.
>>>> Or buy a chicken from someone who keeps them around the back yard
>>>> eating worms and stuff. THEY have taste
>>>
>>> After christmas, this is exactly the experiment I am embarking upon.
>>> The wife will buy a chicken from a free range farm, and we'll see how
>>> it compares. My bet is it will be better, but not good enough to get
>>> me to enjoy chicken breast.
>>>
>> I would concur with that. Chicken is cheap protein. Expecting it to be
>> more is nuts. All reptiles - and birds evolved from reptiles - 'tastes
>> like chicken'.
>
> I read that in terms of protein, breeding snakes is the Donald Trump of
> protein when it comes to price! A free business idea for this group
> could be to start a snake breeding farm and sell chicken:ish, protein at
> very good prices!
>
> Then there's also insect protein. I do not know how it compared with
> snake protein.
>
In S Africa Locusts and crickets were known as 'pParkhurst prawns'

Edible if you wanted.

>>
>> Free range costs more and tastes a little better, but for the same
>> money you could find a better bird to eat.
>
> Duck should be possible to obtain here. I like duck!
>
>>> The pie idea is good though!
>>
>> Europe is full of ideas for making shit food taste better.
>> Porcini mushrooms (ceps) taste meatier than meat.
>
> Amen!
>
>> Spices add some sort of interest as do herbs, and garlic.
>>
>> However some foods are so shit that nothing works.
>
> There is another method where you make the shit taste shittier, and
> thereby the shit cancels out resulting in a less shittier final result!

--
“A leader is best When people barely know he exists. Of a good leader,
who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say,
“We did this ourselves.”

― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

On 01/12/2024 19:13, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:32:59 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> I read that in terms of protein, breeding snakes is the Donald Trump of
>> protein when it comes to price! A free business idea for this group
>> could be to start a snake breeding farm and sell chicken:ish, protein at
>> very good prices!
>
> https://amaroohills.com/collections/emu
>
> I don't know about snake but raising emus was a get rich quick scheme
> years ago. A company at the Arizona state fair was giving out emu burgers
> to attract attention. It wasn't objectionable but the idea didn't catch
> on. It has the 'neither fish nor fowl' problem. It doesn't taste like
> chicken or quite like beef.
>
Same as ostrich. It's just not very interesting as meat

There is a huge range of meat (and fungi) that are edible, but so dull
or faintly obnoxious that no one does.

Wild hare (jack rabbit) tastes and smells like jockstraps after a hard
match. By the time you have got rid of that flavour all the other
flavour has gone too.

Same goes for the muddy taste in pond reared carp.

Rabbit is plain dull. But in a stew with bacon and vegetables and
plenty of herbs, its not bad

--
Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend.

"Saki"

On 01/12/2024 17:38, D wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 30/11/2024 20:56, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30/11/2024 11:06, D wrote:
>>
>>>>> Duck and ptarmigans are good! I suspect I would also like swans,
>>>>> but never had the chance to try.
>>>>
>>>> Illegal here unless you are the king!
>>>
>>> WTF!? In what medieval country do you live? ;) I had it in iceland,
>>> my grand father shot it and it was excellent!
>>>
>> United Kingdom. All swans belong to the crown and only Royalty is
>> allowed to eat it or serve it, and I think some university colleges.
>
> Surely no one follows this law? I mean, I am certain there's old cruft
> and cobwebs in the swedish law book, but no one seriously follows it.
>

It is a protected species for all but the king and a few subjects

In practice even they dont eat it anymore. The king is very Green and
wet behind the ears

>>>> Tried goose? That's expensive and full of grease but nice tasting.
>>>
>>> No, goose does sound like a good option too! It is very impopular
>>> here where I live in eastern europe. =(
>>>
>> Really?
>
> Haven't seen it in the store so far, nor have I heard of anyone eating it.

Good heavens. Its very nice.

>
>>>> And if wild and shot (Canada goose) very very good.
>>>
>>> I often thought about shooting a canada goose myself. There are 1000s
>>> of them in sweden, and 100s of them pooping in one of my favourite
>>> parks. I do wonder how full of poisons they are though? If they were
>>> clean, trying to kill a bird or two at night would be nice for me,
>>> and nice for the park! ;)
>>
>> Canada geese just fine. Where I live there is an old moat round a 1000
>> year old Hall.  Its a kind of trick stop for migrating geese on their
>> way to/from Scandinavia
>>
>> Late friend decided to stand on the approach - geese turn into wind to
>> land there - and got *three* geese with two barrels.
>
> Blessings to your friend for reducing the amount of poopers that reach
> sweden! This is very interesting! I have to talk to an acquaintance who
> is a hunter to shoot one. If I find one in the country side, since they
> are not shy at all, it should be completely feasible for me to shoot one
> with my longbow. A bird the size of a canada goose is super easy to hit
> at 10 yards.
>
Longbow? yes. Through the wings would pin them.

--
“A leader is best When people barely know he exists. Of a good leader,
who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say,
“We did this ourselves.”

― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

On 01/12/2024 18:47, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 11:18:01 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> What was wrong with the goose? I saw a video on youtube where they
>> cooked swan, and it was quite tough meat.
>
> There is a reason a lot of the old folk remedies for chest colds involving
> smearing goose grease on the victim. After rendering out the grease the
> meat is dark and scanty relative to the size of the goose, like duck.
>
This only applies to domesticated varieties that don't fly much.

Wild goose is lean and the breast is brown, not white to show its muscle
that gets *used*

> I think chickens and turkeys that have have been bred to maximize meat
> spoil the playing field.

All domesticated species lose flavour.

I was in sardinia and stopped to see a guy barbecuing something. I asked
what it was 'wild baby pig'.
We bought some to eat. It was delicious! I asked 'what herbs did you
use?' He laughed and pointed to the hillside 'all herb. Pig eat!'

We pay a price for cheap meat.

These days free range pigs abound here in the UK and the pork has never
been better.

Frankly if I am going to eat meat, I want to eat good meat.

--
The higher up the mountainside
The greener grows the grass.
The higher up the monkey climbs
The more he shows his arse.

Traditional

On 01/12/2024 19:29, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 10:46:30 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> +1 except I mix my own curry spices.
>
> https://hot-thai-kitchen.com/curry-paste-review/
>
> Thai curry is a little different to Indian curry. There isn't a large
> Asian population in this area so items like the shrimp paste would be hard
> to source.

Oh we can get Thai as well, in the UK
Lemon grass and Kaffir lime leaves make it special

These are hard to get fresh, but dried is ok-ish

--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone

On 01/12/2024 20:40, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 10:42:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> The only poison in them was lead pellets and you spit those out.
>
> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/toxic-montana-lakes-kills-
> hundreds-and-maybe-thousands-snow-geese-180961356/
>
> You wouldn't want to dine on one of those geese.

I think the fact that they were dead floating on a lake might be a clue.

In London a woman was seriously injured by a dead duck falling on her head

I was standing by my car one day when a pigeons fell out of the sky. It
wasn't dead, but when I came back it had died.

One tends to avoid eating such.

Rabbits that are dying from myxomatosis happen in some years, and
apparently the meat is edible, but not much eats it

--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone

On 01/12/2024 20:57, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:38:37 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> An ancient trick I learned is that you put them close to an industrial
>> strength electro magnet and rip out the bullets. Alternatively you can
>> but them in an MRI machine. I know in medieval sweden, this is what they
>> used to do!
>
> Lead pellets? Since 1988 the US has required non-toxic shot for waterfowl.
> The cheapest is steel, which would possibly work. The problem is steel
> doesn't perform too well. The other popular choices are bismuth, which is
> diamagnetic, and tungsten, which is parmagnetic.
>

I believe you are right. Lead isn't totally banned, but for waterfowl I
think it is.

--
"An intellectual is a person knowledgeable in one field who speaks out
only in others...”

Tom Wolfe

On 01/12/2024 21:23, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 30/11/2024 20:56, D wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 30/11/2024 11:06, D wrote:
>>>>>> Duck and ptarmigans are good! I suspect I would also like swans, but
>>>>>> never had the chance to try.
>>>>>
>>>>> Illegal here unless you are the king!
>>>>
>>>> WTF!? In what medieval country do you live? ;) I had it in iceland, my
>>>> grand father shot it and it was excellent!
>>>>
>>> United Kingdom. All swans belong to the crown and only Royalty is allowed to
>>> eat it or serve it, and I think some university colleges.
>>
>> Surely no one follows this law? I mean, I am certain there's old cruft and
>> cobwebs in the swedish law book, but no one seriously follows it.
>
> I imagine that swan-lovers take advantage of it. But a documentary
> I watced that visited a swan farm in the UK pointed out that the
> law only applies to wild swans, those raised on a farm can be and
> are sold and eaten by any old peasant.
>
Really? I never heard of any swan farms or ever saw it for sale...

--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone

On Mon, 2 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 01/12/2024 17:32, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/11/2024 20:54, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well pie it with bacon mushroom and a white wine white sauce. Or curry
>>>>> the bugger.
>>>>> Or buy a chicken from someone who keeps them around the back yard eating
>>>>> worms and stuff. THEY have taste
>>>>
>>>> After christmas, this is exactly the experiment I am embarking upon. The
>>>> wife will buy a chicken from a free range farm, and we'll see how it
>>>> compares. My bet is it will be better, but not good enough to get me to
>>>> enjoy chicken breast.
>>>>
>>> I would concur with that. Chicken is cheap protein. Expecting it to be
>>> more is nuts. All reptiles - and birds evolved from reptiles - 'tastes
>>> like chicken'.
>>
>> I read that in terms of protein, breeding snakes is the Donald Trump of
>> protein when it comes to price! A free business idea for this group could
>> be to start a snake breeding farm and sell chicken:ish, protein at very
>> good prices!
>>
>> Then there's also insect protein. I do not know how it compared with snake
>> protein.
>>
> In S Africa Locusts and crickets were known as 'pParkhurst prawns'
>
> Edible if you wanted.

Fascinating to think about that, given the enormous amount of locusts
which plague them from time to time. Huge amounts of protein there, just
for the taking!

>
>>>
>>> Free range costs more and tastes a little better, but for the same money
>>> you could find a better bird to eat.
>>
>> Duck should be possible to obtain here. I like duck!
>>
>>>> The pie idea is good though!
>>>
>>> Europe is full of ideas for making shit food taste better.
>>> Porcini mushrooms (ceps) taste meatier than meat.
>>
>> Amen!
>>
>>> Spices add some sort of interest as do herbs, and garlic.
>>>
>>> However some foods are so shit that nothing works.
>>
>> There is another method where you make the shit taste shittier, and thereby
>> the shit cancels out resulting in a less shittier final result!
>
>
>

On Mon, 2 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 01/12/2024 19:13, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:32:59 +0100, D wrote:
>>
>>> I read that in terms of protein, breeding snakes is the Donald Trump of
>>> protein when it comes to price! A free business idea for this group
>>> could be to start a snake breeding farm and sell chicken:ish, protein at
>>> very good prices!
>>
>> https://amaroohills.com/collections/emu
>>
>> I don't know about snake but raising emus was a get rich quick scheme
>> years ago. A company at the Arizona state fair was giving out emu burgers
>> to attract attention. It wasn't objectionable but the idea didn't catch
>> on. It has the 'neither fish nor fowl' problem. It doesn't taste like
>> chicken or quite like beef.
>>
> Same as ostrich. It's just not very interesting as meat
>
> There is a huge range of meat (and fungi) that are edible, but so dull or
> faintly obnoxious that no one does.
>
> Wild hare (jack rabbit) tastes and smells like jockstraps after a hard match.
> By the time you have got rid of that flavour all the other flavour has gone
> too.
>
> Same goes for the muddy taste in pond reared carp.
>
> Rabbit is plain dull. But in a stew with bacon and vegetables and plenty of
> herbs, its not bad

I bought some rabbit sausage the other week, and it tasted like
tasteless chicken sausage. Perhaps a little less smooth texture. It wasn't
bad, but definitely not something to write home about either.

>>
>> Blessings to your friend for reducing the amount of poopers that reach
>> sweden! This is very interesting! I have to talk to an acquaintance who is
>> a hunter to shoot one. If I find one in the country side, since they are
>> not shy at all, it should be completely feasible for me to shoot one with
>> my longbow. A bird the size of a canada goose is super easy to hit at 10
>> yards.
>>
> Longbow? yes. Through the wings would pin them.

It's a 40 lbs bow, so as long as I hit either the wings, or the main body I
don't think they'll get very far. Since they seem to enjoy pooping, I will build
a small porcelain throne to lure them in. Once they sit there, they are easy
prey!

On Mon, 2 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 01/12/2024 18:47, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 11:18:01 +0100, D wrote:
>>
>>> What was wrong with the goose? I saw a video on youtube where they
>>> cooked swan, and it was quite tough meat.
>>
>> There is a reason a lot of the old folk remedies for chest colds involving
>> smearing goose grease on the victim. After rendering out the grease the
>> meat is dark and scanty relative to the size of the goose, like duck.
>>
> This only applies to domesticated varieties that don't fly much.
>
> Wild goose is lean and the breast is brown, not white to show its muscle that
> gets *used*
>
>> I think chickens and turkeys that have have been bred to maximize meat
>> spoil the playing field.
>
> All domesticated species lose flavour.
>
> I was in sardinia and stopped to see a guy barbecuing something. I asked what
> it was 'wild baby pig'.
> We bought some to eat. It was delicious! I asked 'what herbs did you use?' He
> laughed and pointed to the hillside 'all herb. Pig eat!'
>
> We pay a price for cheap meat.
>
> These days free range pigs abound here in the UK and the pork has never been
> better.
>
> Frankly if I am going to eat meat, I want to eat good meat.

Ahh... same methodology used when it comes to icelandic lamb. They roam
and eat the herbs on the moutain sides. The best lamb in the world!

On Mon, 2 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 01/12/2024 20:40, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 10:42:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> The only poison in them was lead pellets and you spit those out.
>>
>> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/toxic-montana-lakes-kills-
>> hundreds-and-maybe-thousands-snow-geese-180961356/
>>
>> You wouldn't want to dine on one of those geese.
>
> I think the fact that they were dead floating on a lake might be a clue.
>
> In London a woman was seriously injured by a dead duck falling on her head
>
> I was standing by my car one day when a pigeons fell out of the sky. It
> wasn't dead, but when I came back it had died.
>
> One tends to avoid eating such.
>
> Rabbits that are dying from myxomatosis happen in some years, and apparently
> the meat is edible, but not much eats it
>

What about roadkill? Did you ever try?

On 02/12/2024 14:03, D wrote:
> I bought some rabbit sausage the other week, and it tasted like
> tasteless chicken sausage. Perhaps a little less smooth texture. It
> wasn't bad, but definitely not something to write home about either.

I think that is actually the perfect summary.

I've had it served as a stew with plenty of herbs and either smoked
bacon or sausage, and its OK.

Curried a wild one, once. OK.

But I wouldn't go rushing out to buy it.
--
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

Mark Twain

On 02/12/2024 14:06, D wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 2 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 01/12/2024 18:47, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 11:18:01 +0100, D wrote:
>>>
>>>> What was wrong with the goose? I saw a video on youtube where they
>>>> cooked swan, and it was quite tough meat.
>>>
>>> There is a reason a lot of the old folk remedies for chest colds
>>> involving
>>> smearing goose grease on the victim. After rendering out the grease the
>>> meat is dark and scanty relative to the size of the goose, like duck.
>>>
>> This only applies to domesticated varieties that don't fly much.
>>
>> Wild goose is lean and the breast is brown, not white to show its
>> muscle that gets *used*
>>
>>> I think chickens and turkeys that have have been bred to maximize meat
>>> spoil the playing field.
>>
>> All domesticated species lose flavour.
>>
>> I was in sardinia and stopped to see a guy barbecuing something. I
>> asked what it was 'wild baby pig'.
>> We bought some to eat. It was delicious! I asked 'what herbs did you
>> use?' He laughed and pointed to the hillside 'all herb. Pig eat!'
>>
>> We pay a price for cheap meat.
>>
>> These days free range pigs abound here in the UK and the pork has
>> never been better.
>>
>> Frankly if I am going to eat meat, I want to eat good meat.
>
> Ahh... same methodology used when it comes to icelandic lamb. They roam
> and eat the herbs on the moutain sides. The best lamb in the world!

Well the Welsh would argue with you there.

But I would expect Icelandic to be good

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There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

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On 02/12/2024 14:06, D wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 2 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 01/12/2024 20:40, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 10:42:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> The only poison in them was lead pellets and you spit those out.
>>>
>>> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/toxic-montana-lakes-kills-
>>> hundreds-and-maybe-thousands-snow-geese-180961356/
>>>
>>> You wouldn't want to dine on one of those geese.
>>
>> I think the fact that they were dead floating on a lake might be a clue.
>>
>> In London a woman was seriously injured by a dead duck falling on her
>> head
>>
>> I was standing by my car one day when a pigeons fell out of the sky.
>> It wasn't dead, but when I came back it had died.
>>
>> One tends to avoid eating such.
>>
>> Rabbits that are dying from myxomatosis happen in some years, and
>> apparently the meat is edible, but not much eats it
>>
>
> What about roadkill? Did you ever try?

Not bunnies
Eaten pheasant and deer

Both V good

--
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

Mark Twain