On 2024-06-02 6:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-06-02, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-06-02 2:27 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 07:50:28 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> I apologize to everyone but you about what I just wrote. I am frustrated
>>>> that even in 2024 and having done research into the right distribution
>>>> for my needs, I am yet again disgusted by the result. I love everything
>>>> about Linux but the result, yet again, is pure demoralization. To read
>>>> this idiotic zealot's words and his delusion that any of those 1990s
>>>> UNIX distributions were actually pretty simply add salt to the wound.
>>>
>>> This is the very limited gamer distro that you tried to install? You can
>>> always tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs. I regularly update
>>> Debian, Ubuntu, Lubuntu, and Fedora distros without all that drama.
>>
>> It's Fedora with tweaks. If you point to it as being bad, you might as
>> well point to Fedora at the same time.
>
> That makes no sense. You can't blame Fedora for tweaks that break it.

The tweaks are specifically to make sure that anyone wanting to play
games would be able to do so. It provides easy installation for things
that will make Xbox One controllers work, help compatibility for Steam
games, and the software which will help you access your gaming library
from within Linux. Otherwise, it is just Fedora. It wasn't the tweaks
that broke anything; it's Fedora that just committed suicide.

On 2024-06-02 6:36 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 15:56:21 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> Nobara Linux
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/174ldfz/is_nobara_any_good/
>
> Mixed reviews. Maybe Glorious Eggroll didn't have your machine in mind.

I've tried a variety of machines with Linux and they've all more or less
ended up as a disaster. It's Linux, it's always Linux.

On 2024-06-02 7:53 p.m., % wrote:
> Joel Crump wrote:
>> On 6/2/24 7:05 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 02 Jun 2024 21:15:34 GMT, Joel Crump wrote:
>>>
>>>> I supported the two Gulf wars and NAFTA, although in retrospect it
>>>> became
>>>>  rather unclear, whether the second war was less harmful than the
>>>> status
>>>>  quo in Iraq. I can admit I simply don't know, it was an untenable
>>>>  situation that turned into a questionable policy, countless casualties
>>>>  among Iraqi citizens and our service members.
>>>
>>> You liked the giant sucking sound?
>>>
>>> https://theconversation.com/the-giant-sucking-sound-of-nafta-ross-perot-
>>> was-ridiculed-as-alarmist-in-1992-but-his-warning-turned-out-to-be-
>>> prescient-120258
>>
>>
>> I just don't accept that we're competing with our neighbors. That's
>> primitive nationalism, fuck the primitive minds who cry about free trade.
>>
>>> https://www.cfr.org/blog/twe-remembers-congresss-vote-authorize-gulf-war
>>>
>>> Congress blinked but I remember Bush in that smarmy voice of his
>>> stating that he was going ahead regardless of authorization. As the
>>> former CIA head he was used to doing whatever he pleased.
>>> There was a question at the time whether or not Kuwait was slant
>>> drilling into Iraqi oil reserves and Iraq had been green lighted but
>>> that was quickly buried as the MSM churned out the tired old stories
>>> of bayoneted babies that had been dreamed up at Britain's Wellington
>>> House during WWI. Everytime I hear one of those classics I know
>>> somebody is bullshitting.
>>>
>>> As for Junior's reprise I never did figure out if Powell was set up
>>> or if he was complicit. It's a good thing they never did find WMDs
>>> since they probably would have a Made in USA label left over from the
>>> US proxy war against Iran.
>>> Hussein, like Gaddafi, wasn't a very nice guy but he did keep a lid
>>> on the country. Now it's a failed state and the most corrupt in the
>>> neighborhood. Again like Libya, the US destroyed the government and
>>> left it to be replace by a vacuum.
>>>
>>> Afghanistan was another adventure that accomplished nothing.
>>
>>
>> We are the superpower, and opposing world cop wars is wishful
>> thinking, what
>> I oppose is arming the Israeli regime to kill poor women and children.
>
> you're not the cops no more

The sad part is that the first scene of Team America: World Police is
accurate.

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 08:47:25 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> Did you get personalized feedback that using Caps Lock as Ctrl is
>> extremely idiotic?

It's not idiotic. For one thing, the Ctrl key was initially where Caps Lock is
now. For another thing, Caps Lock is just about the most useless key
imaginable. And lastly, the Ctrl key is used a lot by me, so it makes sense to
put it where there is no need to stretch the little finger.

> Why?
>
> https://www.howtogeek.com/683823/why-does-the-caps-lock-key-exist-and-why-
> was-it-created/
>
> Not only do I not use it for its intended purpose, I sometimes hit it when
> I fat finger an 'a'. That's bad enough when I'm typing text but a complete
> pita when I'm entering a password. Might as well do something useful with
> it.
>
> What's worse is IBM did it right in 1981 and screwed it up in 1984. Are
> you nostalgic for your Trash-80?

Hacker's Keyboard! Who needs a 138-key Windowsoft monstrosity!?

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America puts out the fires that Stalin, Putin_Jong_Un & Hamas started.

On 2024-06-03 8:30 a.m., Relf wrote:
> America puts out the fires that Stalin, Putin_Jong_Un & Hamas started.

And part of that solution is to let in tons of Muslims, South Americans
and Chinese without knowing who they are and where they came from.

On 2024-06-03, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On 2 Jun 2024 18:27:18 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> I regularly update Debian, Ubuntu, Lubuntu, and Fedora distros without
>> all that drama.
>
> So do I. And I run Debian “Unstable” on my own machines. Just for the fun
> of it.

Last night I went ahead and updated my main Linux Mint machine from 20.3 to
21 (and then to 21.3). It took awhile but the update was clean. I don't know
if I would do it that way again. I think it would be faster to backup up my
data and start from scratch. But I wanted to see if it could be done — and
it can. (A big chunk of the time was used up making a Snapshot of my old
20.3 system — a lot of people already have those snapshots before they start
the upgrade process, so it would be much quicker for them. At any rate, a
major point update and all my configuration files seem to have made it.
(Well, I did have to reset Emacs default font. I don't why that changed.)

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On 2024-06-03, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-06-02 6:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-06-02, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-02 2:27 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 07:50:28 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I apologize to everyone but you about what I just wrote. I am frustrated
>>>>> that even in 2024 and having done research into the right distribution
>>>>> for my needs, I am yet again disgusted by the result. I love everything
>>>>> about Linux but the result, yet again, is pure demoralization. To read
>>>>> this idiotic zealot's words and his delusion that any of those 1990s
>>>>> UNIX distributions were actually pretty simply add salt to the wound.
>>>>
>>>> This is the very limited gamer distro that you tried to install? You can
>>>> always tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs. I regularly update
>>>> Debian, Ubuntu, Lubuntu, and Fedora distros without all that drama.
>>>
>>> It's Fedora with tweaks. If you point to it as being bad, you might as
>>> well point to Fedora at the same time.
>>
>> That makes no sense. You can't blame Fedora for tweaks that break it.
>
> The tweaks are specifically to make sure that anyone wanting to play
> games would be able to do so. It provides easy installation for things
> that will make Xbox One controllers work, help compatibility for Steam
> games, and the software which will help you access your gaming library
> from within Linux. Otherwise, it is just Fedora. It wasn't the tweaks
> that broke anything; it's Fedora that just committed suicide.

It doesn't follow. Fedora works. Someone tweaks it and renames it as a new
distribution and it doesn't work for you. How do you blame Fedora for that?
I'm guessing the choices made by the developers of this new distribution
worked for their machines, but not necessarily for your machine.

--
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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-06-03, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-06-02 6:36 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 15:56:21 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> Nobara Linux
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/174ldfz/is_nobara_any_good/
>>
>> Mixed reviews. Maybe Glorious Eggroll didn't have your machine in mind.
>
> I've tried a variety of machines with Linux and they've all more or less
> ended up as a disaster. It's Linux, it's always Linux.

And I've tried a wide variety of Linux distributions and they've all worked
for me. It depends on your hardware and what you're trying to do with it.
That's why, for years, I've told people who like to play video games to
stick with Windows. After all, most of these video games are made for
Windows, not Linux.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-06-03 11:13 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-06-03, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-06-02 6:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-02, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-02 2:27 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 07:50:28 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I apologize to everyone but you about what I just wrote. I am frustrated
>>>>>> that even in 2024 and having done research into the right distribution
>>>>>> for my needs, I am yet again disgusted by the result. I love everything
>>>>>> about Linux but the result, yet again, is pure demoralization. To read
>>>>>> this idiotic zealot's words and his delusion that any of those 1990s
>>>>>> UNIX distributions were actually pretty simply add salt to the wound.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the very limited gamer distro that you tried to install? You can
>>>>> always tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs. I regularly update
>>>>> Debian, Ubuntu, Lubuntu, and Fedora distros without all that drama.
>>>>
>>>> It's Fedora with tweaks. If you point to it as being bad, you might as
>>>> well point to Fedora at the same time.
>>>
>>> That makes no sense. You can't blame Fedora for tweaks that break it.
>>
>> The tweaks are specifically to make sure that anyone wanting to play
>> games would be able to do so. It provides easy installation for things
>> that will make Xbox One controllers work, help compatibility for Steam
>> games, and the software which will help you access your gaming library
>> from within Linux. Otherwise, it is just Fedora. It wasn't the tweaks
>> that broke anything; it's Fedora that just committed suicide.
>
> It doesn't follow. Fedora works. Someone tweaks it and renames it as a new
> distribution and it doesn't work for you. How do you blame Fedora for that?
> I'm guessing the choices made by the developers of this new distribution
> worked for their machines, but not necessarily for your machine.

Considering how often this happens and how using the original
distribution ends up doing the same, I won't bother playing this game.
Every time someone faces a problem, it's "not me" or "use this other
distribution." Then, when people prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that
whatever they are facing is definitely a bug in the distribution and not
imaginary, everyone goes silent and definitely doesn't apologize. It's
tiresome. The reason Windows and Mac are winning is because they're
knights fighting a battle with a diseased peasant. It's a battle between
elephants and a chihuahua that is unaware of its own size.

I'm just so tired of this. Almost three decades later and nothing's changed.

On 6/3/24 11:32 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>On 2024-06-03 11:13 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>
>> Fedora works. Someone tweaks it and renames it as a new
>> distribution and it doesn't work for you. How do you blame Fedora for that?
>> I'm guessing the choices made by the developers of this new distribution
>> worked for their machines, but not necessarily for your machine.
>
>Considering how often this happens and how using the original
>distribution ends up doing the same, I won't bother playing this game.
>Every time someone faces a problem, it's "not me" or "use this other
>distribution." Then, when people prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that
>whatever they are facing is definitely a bug in the distribution and not
>imaginary, everyone goes silent and definitely doesn't apologize. It's
>tiresome. The reason Windows and Mac are winning is because they're
>knights fighting a battle with a diseased peasant. It's a battle between
>elephants and a chihuahua that is unaware of its own size.
>
>I'm just so tired of this. Almost three decades later and nothing's changed.

So, in short, you'll be deleting Winblows and installing Linux tonight. Heh.

--
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On 2024-06-03 11:21 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-06-03, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-06-02 6:36 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 15:56:21 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nobara Linux
>>>
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/174ldfz/is_nobara_any_good/
>>>
>>> Mixed reviews. Maybe Glorious Eggroll didn't have your machine in mind.
>>
>> I've tried a variety of machines with Linux and they've all more or less
>> ended up as a disaster. It's Linux, it's always Linux.
>
> And I've tried a wide variety of Linux distributions and they've all worked
> for me. It depends on your hardware and what you're trying to do with it.
> That's why, for years, I've told people who like to play video games to
> stick with Windows. After all, most of these video games are made for
> Windows, not Linux.

The advocacy of Linux users has always gotten to me, and it would be a
lie for me to state that I have no interest in running it exclusively. I
will have to try a Dell in the future, or at least a repairable machine
which has hardware that Linux has drivers for. In this case though, it's
not a driver issue: the operating system that boasted that it caters to
gamers fails at its principal task.

On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 08:50:06 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 30 May 2024 19:44:42 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> Nothing wrong with Beetle and I sort of liked the Type 14 Ghias but
>> they sure as hell weren't Porsches.
>
> You do know that the original Beetle was designed by Porsche?

http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/HitlerKDF.htm

When Hitler weighed in on the car business the world got the Kdf-Wagen.
When US presidents get involved we got the Chevrolet Bolt.

https://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2016/0121/Obama-visits-Detroit-
auto-show-checks-out-Chevy-Bolt-EV-electric-car

All in all the KdF, while it lasted, was more palatable than US attempts
at social engineerig.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_Through_Joy

On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 08:23:47 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Hacker's Keyboard! Who needs a 138-key Windowsoft monstrosity!?

I'm left handed so the number pad is wasted on me. Some of the laptop
keyboard choices are extremely poor. In my Acer the insert/delete key is
the same size and immediately to the left of the power key. Ain't that
fun?

I've never remotely approached being a touch typist but some of the
layouts must drive real typists crazy.

On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 07:44:26 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> On 2024-06-02 6:36 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 15:56:21 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> Nobara Linux
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/174ldfz/
is_nobara_any_good/
>>
>> Mixed reviews. Maybe Glorious Eggroll didn't have your machine in mind.
>
> I've tried a variety of machines with Linux and they've all more or less
> ended up as a disaster. It's Linux, it's always Linux.

Considering I've used Linux of different distros on a variety of machines
for 25+ years with no disasters, I don't think it's an OS problem.

On Mon, 03 Jun 2024 05:30:03 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:

> America puts out the fires that Stalin, Putin_Jong_Un & Hamas started.

America couldn't even put out a fire at a George Floyd riot. What it's
really good at is fucking up nations; Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya,
the Balkans, etc. It tried its best with Syria and only managed to create
ISIS.

Stalin? FDR's pet?

On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 15:13:35 -0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
wrote in <v3kmiv$3uh0e$2@dont-email.me>:

> On 2024-06-03, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-06-02 6:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-02, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-02 2:27 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 07:50:28 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I apologize to everyone but you about what I just wrote. I am
>>>>>> frustrated that even in 2024 and having done research into the
>>>>>> right distribution for my needs, I am yet again disgusted by the
>>>>>> result. I love everything about Linux but the result, yet again, is
>>>>>> pure demoralization. To read this idiotic zealot's words and his
>>>>>> delusion that any of those 1990s UNIX distributions were actually
>>>>>> pretty simply add salt to the wound.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the very limited gamer distro that you tried to install? You
>>>>> can always tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs. I
>>>>> regularly update Debian, Ubuntu, Lubuntu, and Fedora distros without
>>>>> all that drama.
>>>>
>>>> It's Fedora with tweaks. If you point to it as being bad, you might
>>>> as well point to Fedora at the same time.
>>>
>>> That makes no sense. You can't blame Fedora for tweaks that break it.
>>
>> The tweaks are specifically to make sure that anyone wanting to play
>> games would be able to do so. It provides easy installation for things
>> that will make Xbox One controllers work, help compatibility for Steam
>> games, and the software which will help you access your gaming library
>> from within Linux. Otherwise, it is just Fedora. It wasn't the tweaks
>> that broke anything; it's Fedora that just committed suicide.
>
> It doesn't follow. Fedora works. Someone tweaks it and renames it as a
> new distribution and it doesn't work for you. How do you blame Fedora
> for that?
> I'm guessing the choices made by the developers of this new distribution
> worked for their machines, but not necessarily for your machine.

Fedora 40 review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zsBxf48mdA

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rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 18:42 this Monday (GMT):
> On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 08:23:47 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Hacker's Keyboard! Who needs a 138-key Windowsoft monstrosity!?
>
> I'm left handed so the number pad is wasted on me. Some of the laptop
> keyboard choices are extremely poor. In my Acer the insert/delete key is
> the same size and immediately to the left of the power key. Ain't that
> fun?
>
> I've never remotely approached being a touch typist but some of the
> layouts must drive real typists crazy.

Eh, I'm left handed too but I got used to a right handed layout. The
insert/delete positioning is dumb though.
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On 2024-06-03 2:35 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 08:50:06 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On 30 May 2024 19:44:42 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> Nothing wrong with Beetle and I sort of liked the Type 14 Ghias but
>>> they sure as hell weren't Porsches.
>>
>> You do know that the original Beetle was designed by Porsche?
>
> http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/HitlerKDF.htm
>
> When Hitler weighed in on the car business the world got the Kdf-Wagen.
> When US presidents get involved we got the Chevrolet Bolt.
>
> https://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2016/0121/Obama-visits-Detroit-
> auto-show-checks-out-Chevy-Bolt-EV-electric-car
>
> All in all the KdF, while it lasted, was more palatable than US attempts
> at social engineerig.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_Through_Joy

Our media will lie to us and say the opposite, but there was no doubt
that Hitler loved his people and gave them a greater quality of life by
removing Jewish influence over German culture. He was better to them
than previous leaders, and the Western ones who looked over the country
in his aftermath.

On 2024-06-03 2:46 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 07:44:26 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> On 2024-06-02 6:36 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 15:56:21 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nobara Linux
>>>
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/174ldfz/
> is_nobara_any_good/
>>>
>>> Mixed reviews. Maybe Glorious Eggroll didn't have your machine in mind.
>>
>> I've tried a variety of machines with Linux and they've all more or less
>> ended up as a disaster. It's Linux, it's always Linux.
>
> Considering I've used Linux of different distros on a variety of machines
> for 25+ years with no disasters, I don't think it's an OS problem.

Yep, we're all dumb clowns. It's never Linux's fault, I know.

On 6/3/24 4:20 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>Our media will lie to us and say the opposite, but there was no doubt
>that Hitler loved his people and gave them a greater quality of life by
>removing Jewish influence over German culture. He was better to them
>than previous leaders, and the Western ones who looked over the country
>in his aftermath.

You are truly fucked in the head.

--
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You (rBowman) replied ( to me ):
> > America puts out the fires that Stalin, Putin_Jong_Un & Hamas started.
>
> America couldn't even put out a fire at a George Floyd riot.

Biden poured gasoline on it; anything to appease Democrat spawn.

> Stalin? FDR's pet?

No one could stop "Stalin the Arsonist", not even FDR.

On 2024-06-03, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-06-03 11:13 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-06-03, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-02 6:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-02, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-06-02 2:27 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 07:50:28 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I apologize to everyone but you about what I just wrote. I am frustrated
>>>>>>> that even in 2024 and having done research into the right distribution
>>>>>>> for my needs, I am yet again disgusted by the result. I love everything
>>>>>>> about Linux but the result, yet again, is pure demoralization. To read
>>>>>>> this idiotic zealot's words and his delusion that any of those 1990s
>>>>>>> UNIX distributions were actually pretty simply add salt to the wound.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the very limited gamer distro that you tried to install? You can
>>>>>> always tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs. I regularly update
>>>>>> Debian, Ubuntu, Lubuntu, and Fedora distros without all that drama.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's Fedora with tweaks. If you point to it as being bad, you might as
>>>>> well point to Fedora at the same time.
>>>>
>>>> That makes no sense. You can't blame Fedora for tweaks that break it.
>>>
>>> The tweaks are specifically to make sure that anyone wanting to play
>>> games would be able to do so. It provides easy installation for things
>>> that will make Xbox One controllers work, help compatibility for Steam
>>> games, and the software which will help you access your gaming library
>>> from within Linux. Otherwise, it is just Fedora. It wasn't the tweaks
>>> that broke anything; it's Fedora that just committed suicide.
>>
>> It doesn't follow. Fedora works. Someone tweaks it and renames it as a new
>> distribution and it doesn't work for you. How do you blame Fedora for that?
>> I'm guessing the choices made by the developers of this new distribution
>> worked for their machines, but not necessarily for your machine.
>
> Considering how often this happens and how using the original
> distribution ends up doing the same, I won't bother playing this game.
> Every time someone faces a problem, it's "not me" or "use this other
> distribution." Then, when people prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that
> whatever they are facing is definitely a bug in the distribution and not
> imaginary, everyone goes silent and definitely doesn't apologize. It's
> tiresome. The reason Windows and Mac are winning is because they're
> knights fighting a battle with a diseased peasant. It's a battle between
> elephants and a chihuahua that is unaware of its own size.
>
> I'm just so tired of this. Almost three decades later and nothing's changed.

Windows and Mac are winning (on the desktop only) because of innertia. Most
people don't even know there is another choice. When they go to Best Buy
they see Windows and Mac OS.

The Copilot Recall crap might make some users look elsewhere.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-06-03, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-06-03 2:46 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 07:44:26 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-06-02 6:36 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 15:56:21 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nobara Linux
>>>>
>>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/174ldfz/
>> is_nobara_any_good/
>>>>
>>>> Mixed reviews. Maybe Glorious Eggroll didn't have your machine in mind.
>>>
>>> I've tried a variety of machines with Linux and they've all more or less
>>> ended up as a disaster. It's Linux, it's always Linux.
>>
>> Considering I've used Linux of different distros on a variety of machines
>> for 25+ years with no disasters, I don't think it's an OS problem.
>
> Yep, we're all dumb clowns. It's never Linux's fault, I know.

You're trying to run hardware intensive Windows games on Linux. There's
going to be problems.

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On 2024-06-03 7:01 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-06-03, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-06-03 11:13 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-03, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-02 6:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-06-02, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-06-02 2:27 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 07:50:28 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I apologize to everyone but you about what I just wrote. I am frustrated
>>>>>>>> that even in 2024 and having done research into the right distribution
>>>>>>>> for my needs, I am yet again disgusted by the result. I love everything
>>>>>>>> about Linux but the result, yet again, is pure demoralization. To read
>>>>>>>> this idiotic zealot's words and his delusion that any of those 1990s
>>>>>>>> UNIX distributions were actually pretty simply add salt to the wound.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the very limited gamer distro that you tried to install? You can
>>>>>>> always tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs. I regularly update
>>>>>>> Debian, Ubuntu, Lubuntu, and Fedora distros without all that drama.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's Fedora with tweaks. If you point to it as being bad, you might as
>>>>>> well point to Fedora at the same time.
>>>>>
>>>>> That makes no sense. You can't blame Fedora for tweaks that break it.
>>>>
>>>> The tweaks are specifically to make sure that anyone wanting to play
>>>> games would be able to do so. It provides easy installation for things
>>>> that will make Xbox One controllers work, help compatibility for Steam
>>>> games, and the software which will help you access your gaming library
>>>> from within Linux. Otherwise, it is just Fedora. It wasn't the tweaks
>>>> that broke anything; it's Fedora that just committed suicide.
>>>
>>> It doesn't follow. Fedora works. Someone tweaks it and renames it as a new
>>> distribution and it doesn't work for you. How do you blame Fedora for that?
>>> I'm guessing the choices made by the developers of this new distribution
>>> worked for their machines, but not necessarily for your machine.
>>
>> Considering how often this happens and how using the original
>> distribution ends up doing the same, I won't bother playing this game.
>> Every time someone faces a problem, it's "not me" or "use this other
>> distribution." Then, when people prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that
>> whatever they are facing is definitely a bug in the distribution and not
>> imaginary, everyone goes silent and definitely doesn't apologize. It's
>> tiresome. The reason Windows and Mac are winning is because they're
>> knights fighting a battle with a diseased peasant. It's a battle between
>> elephants and a chihuahua that is unaware of its own size.
>>
>> I'm just so tired of this. Almost three decades later and nothing's changed.
>
> Windows and Mac are winning (on the desktop only) because of innertia. Most
> people don't even know there is another choice. When they go to Best Buy
> they see Windows and Mac OS.
>
> The Copilot Recall crap might make some users look elsewhere.

Windows and Mac are winning because they are just as pretty as they are
functional. Both are comprehensible, both are repairable and both have a
humongous library of decent software and stellar hardware bundled with
them. Linux is what I offer to people whose hardware can no longer run
the mainstream operating systems well anymore. Most of the time, the
people don't mind it but they don't become enamored with it either. In
most cases, they can't wait to be able to upgrade and use Windows or
MacOS again.