On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 07:52:23 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> So in both cases, a Government-granted monopoly created the environment
> for a groundbreaking research organization to flourish. A lesson in
> there somewhere?

There is always a thumb on the scale? Lincoln Laboratory is a more direct
example. It was a DoD creation but it did wonders for MIT and the entire
Boston area with the various spin-offs. The JPL did the same for CalTech.

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> On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 07:52:23 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> So in both cases, a Government-granted monopoly created the environment
>> for a groundbreaking research organization to flourish. A lesson in
>> there somewhere?
>
> There is always a thumb on the scale? Lincoln Laboratory is a more direct
> example. It was a DoD creation but it did wonders for MIT and the entire
> Boston area with the various spin-offs. The JPL did the same for CalTech.

Sometimes big things require big government.

Our interstate system, for example.

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 16:50:48 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 07:52:23 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> So in both cases, a Government-granted monopoly created the
>>> environment for a groundbreaking research organization to flourish. A
>>> lesson in there somewhere?
>>
>> There is always a thumb on the scale? Lincoln Laboratory is a more
>> direct example. It was a DoD creation but it did wonders for MIT and
>> the entire Boston area with the various spin-offs. The JPL did the
>> same for CalTech.
>
> Sometimes big things require big government.
>
> Our interstate system, for example.

I'm not sure the interstate system is a net positive. I'm damn sure a huge
standing army is not.

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> On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 16:50:48 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 07:52:23 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> So in both cases, a Government-granted monopoly created the
>>>> environment for a groundbreaking research organization to flourish. A
>>>> lesson in there somewhere?
>>>
>>> There is always a thumb on the scale? Lincoln Laboratory is a more
>>> direct example. It was a DoD creation but it did wonders for MIT and
>>> the entire Boston area with the various spin-offs. The JPL did the
>>> same for CalTech.
>>
>> Sometimes big things require big government.
>>
>> Our interstate system, for example.
>
> I'm not sure the interstate system is a net positive. I'm damn sure a huge
> standing army is not.

So I'm guessing you believe America's massive gun ownership keeps the
Chinese at bay....

As for the military, I know plenty of fine .mil guys, almost all are stand-up
people.

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Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear--not absence of fear.
-- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"

On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 09:07:50 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> So I'm guessing you believe America's massive gun ownership keeps the
> Chinese at bay....

The last I knew China was winning the economic war without firing a shit.
They were aided by a generation of CEOs and politicians who gave it all
away. Taiwan and some islands in the South China Sea appear to be the only
places that might get the US involved in a war.

Despite the doddering fool who committed political suicide last night the
massive gun ownership may keep the US government at bay.

> As for the military, I know plenty of fine .mil guys, almost all are
> stand-up people.

Some are. Some saw the military as the only way out of Broken Dick Alabama
or were given the classic choice of 3 years in the county lockup or the
Army. Know any brig rats? They're the ones that can do 50 one handed
pullups since they've had plenty of time to work on their personal
fitness.

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> On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 09:07:50 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>
>> So I'm guessing you believe America's massive gun ownership keeps the
>> Chinese at bay....
>
> The last I knew China was winning the economic war without firing a shit.
> They were aided by a generation of CEOs and politicians who gave it all
> away. Taiwan and some islands in the South China Sea appear to be the only
> places that might get the US involved in a war.

And yet Trump's tariffs ended up hurting us more than them.

> Despite the doddering fool who committed political suicide last night the
> massive gun ownership may keep the US government at bay.

:-D Yeah the Gravy Seals, Meal Team 6, and all the paramilitia tactards
will do a bang-up job against our militarized po-lice.

I cut Biden a little slack for having just completed a number of meetings with
world leaders across the world, but others won't.

My opinion at the moment? We're f00ked. Welcome to Hungary.

>> As for the military, I know plenty of fine .mil guys, almost all are
>> stand-up people.
>
> Some are. Some saw the military as the only way out of Broken Dick Alabama
> or were given the classic choice of 3 years in the county lockup or the
> Army. Know any brig rats? They're the ones that can do 50 one handed
> pullups ....

I thought only Bruce Lee could do that!

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On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 16:07:12 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> :-D Yeah the Gravy Seals, Meal Team 6, and all the paramilitia tactards
> will do a bang-up job against our militarized po-lice.

I doubt it will occur in my lifetime but do consider that not everyone
lives on biscuits and gravy. Some are actually fit and they may even have
some training courtesy of Sam.

Next, consider topography. Kansas is a wet dream for the 21st century US
military. The Appalachians, including the ranges in NY, VT, NH, and ME,
the Rockies, the Sierras, not so much. The US military got their ass
handed to them in the Korengal, eventually withdrew to the Green Zone, and
pretended it didn't exist. When i saw 'Restrepo' i thought 'Damn, that
looks like home!'

The police are a tossup. Is that the same police that gave up their house
in Seattle to a bunch of antifa types? Except for the John Brown Gun Club,
and I have some doubts about them, antifas typically aren't heavily armed.

> I cut Biden a little slack for having just completed a number of
> meetings with world leaders across the world, but others won't.

After a week of prep he should have been rested and loaded for bear. I
didn't watch the debate but quite a few X posts had video clips. I watched
a couple and really thought they must have been edited or faked somehow.
They weren't. While the people I follow skew to the right I do follow AOC,
Omar, Sanders, several of the local Democrats like Tester, William Gibson,
and so forth. Crickets. I think they were too busy deepening their
foxholes.

I don't even want to think about the proverbial 3AM phone call.

>
> My opinion at the moment? We're f00ked. Welcome to Hungary.

Hungary is one of the saner European countries. I once knew a man who
promoted Hungarian brides and even ate his own dog food. Actually she was
a good cook so it was nice, spicy dog food. I took as pass. One wife was
enough.

>> Some are. Some saw the military as the only way out of Broken Dick
>> Alabama or were given the classic choice of 3 years in the county
>> lockup or the Army. Know any brig rats? They're the ones that can do 50
>> one handed pullups ....
>
> I thought only Bruce Lee could do that!

No. There was a black guy who got cycled back in after a stay in the brig.
He wasn't too tall but he was solid muscle. I have no idea what his story
was. At least at that time the military was nominally integrated and
pretty much self-segregated in practice.

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> rbowman wrote;
>>
>> The last I knew China was winning the economic war without firing a shit.
>> They were aided by a generation of CEOs and politicians who gave it all
>> away. Taiwan and some islands in the South China Sea appear to be the only
>> places that might get the US involved in a war.
>
> And yet Trump's tariffs ended up hurting us more than them.

So you claim. In any case, the intent is not to hurt them. The
intent is to stop sending all of our money to our enemy.

There is a price to pay for protectionism, and normally I am against
it. But there is a far worse price to pay for giving all of your
money to your arch ememies, until they get strong enough to kill you.

Imagine how expense it will be, how "hurt" we will be, to go to war
with China over Taiwan. I will make the "hurt" from the tariffs look
like a mosquito bite.

On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 18:55:24 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> There is a price to pay for protectionism, and normally I am against it.
> But there is a far worse price to pay for giving all of your money to
> your arch ememies, until they get strong enough to kill you.

Even worse is giving all your technology to your arch enemies. Nixon's
attempt to play China against the USSR was a very bad mistake. The USSR
had pavilions at the '64 World's Fair and Expo 67 in Montreal. Both the
pavilion designs and the technology on display were impressive. Taiwan's
pavolions were mostly gift shows and the PRC didn't attend either.

By the early '70s Chinese machinery was showing up at some of the industry
shows and it was crude. It looked like they hacked it out of cast iron
with axes. 50 years later there have been some improvements. TSMC is the
leading foundry in the world located on an island that the PRC wants back.
So far their proposed facilities in the US haven't happened. Even then the
proposal was for last year's technology.

Democrats, Republicans and business executives all lined their pockets
while selling the country down the river.

> Imagine how expense it will be, how "hurt" we will be, to go to war with
> China over Taiwan. I will make the "hurt" from the tariffs look like a
> mosquito bite.

That would be a disaster for the US.

On 29 Jun 2024 06:58:18 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> Even worse is giving all your technology to your arch enemies.

If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others
of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power
called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as
long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it
forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver
cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is
that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the
whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction
himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at
mine, receives light without darkening me. That ideas should
freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral
and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition,
seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature,
when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without
lessening their density in any point, and like the air in which we
breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of
confinement or exclusive appropriation.
-- Thomas Jefferson

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> On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 16:07:12 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> <brevsnip>
>
>> I cut Biden a little slack for having just completed a number of
>> meetings with world leaders across the world, but others won't.
>
> After a week of prep he should have been rested and loaded for bear. I
> didn't watch the debate but quite a few X posts had video clips. I watched
> a couple and really thought they must have been edited or faked somehow.
> They weren't.

In 2020, Biden was able to withstand, his stuttering issue notwithstanding,
Trump's unchecked Gish gallop.

In 2024, not so much.

>> My opinion at the moment? We're f00ked. Welcome to Hungary.
>
> Hungary is one of the saner European countries. I once knew a man who
> promoted Hungarian brides and even ate his own dog food. Actually she was
> a good cook so it was nice, spicy dog food. I took as pass. One wife was
> enough.

--
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A: You do all of the work and the fat guy in the suit gets all the credit.

On 2024-06-29, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 16:07:12 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>> <brevsnip>
>>
>>> I cut Biden a little slack for having just completed a number of
>>> meetings with world leaders across the world, but others won't.
>>
>> After a week of prep he should have been rested and loaded for bear. I
>> didn't watch the debate but quite a few X posts had video clips. I watched
>> a couple and really thought they must have been edited or faked somehow.
>> They weren't.
>
> In 2020, Biden was able to withstand, his stuttering issue notwithstanding,
> Trump's unchecked Gish gallop.
>
> In 2024, not so much.

I didn't watch the debate but the clips I did see didn't look much different
than Biden at various functions for at least the last year. I'm actually
feeling a bit sorry for him at this point.

Probably the most absurd part of it was when Trump and Biden (both around 80
years old) started arguing about their freaking golf games. Good grief, grow
up — at least try to stay focused.

Probably the biggest insult to Biden was from Jill Biden at the
"after-debate" "party?" (gathering?), when she says (loudly and
patronizingly like Biden is third grader with learning disabilities) "You
did a GOOD job, Joe." Is she his wife or his schoolmarm? (And this was
after she had to lead him off the stage — couldn't someone in the Secret
Service have taken care of that?)

I tend to believe the Democrats knew this would happen and scheduled this
debate very early so they would have time to try to convince Biden to quit.
Nothing else makes sense.

I know one thing. I'm not voting for either of these two.

>>> My opinion at the moment? We're f00ked. Welcome to Hungary.
>>
>> Hungary is one of the saner European countries. I once knew a man who
>> promoted Hungarian brides and even ate his own dog food. Actually she was
>> a good cook so it was nice, spicy dog food. I took as pass. One wife was
>> enough.

Unlike most of Europe, Hungary is not suicidal.

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[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 15:57:17 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I tend to believe the Democrats knew this would happen and scheduled
> this debate very early so they would have time to try to convince Biden
> to quit.
> Nothing else makes sense.

The True Believers are amazing.

"Joe had a cold so they gave him a double shot of Nyquil so he wouldn't
cough during the debate. I know that Nyquil knocks me out."

"Joe was amazing at the rally the next day!" Yeah, he can still read
scripted lines from a teleprompter most of the time.

I really wish I was a better person and not experiencing Schadenfreude as
the DNC tries to figure out their next move. This has the potential to be
as much fun as the '68 National Convention. Maybe some latter day Hoffman
or Rubin will manage to actually spike the water supply with LSD.

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> On 2024-06-29, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 16:07:12 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>> <brevsnip>
>>>
>>>> I cut Biden a little slack for having just completed a number of
>>>> meetings with world leaders across the world, but others won't.
>>>
>>> After a week of prep he should have been rested and loaded for bear. I
>>> didn't watch the debate but quite a few X posts had video clips. I watched
>>> a couple and really thought they must have been edited or faked somehow.
>>> They weren't.
>>
>> In 2020, Biden was able to withstand, his stuttering issue notwithstanding,
>> Trump's unchecked Gish gallop.
>>
>> In 2024, not so much.
>
> I didn't watch the debate but the clips I did see didn't look much different
> than Biden at various functions for at least the last year. I'm actually
> feeling a bit sorry for him at this point.
>
> Probably the most absurd part of it was when Trump and Biden (both around 80
> years old) started arguing about their freaking golf games. Good grief, grow
> up — at least try to stay focused.
>
> Probably the biggest insult to Biden was from Jill Biden at the
> "after-debate" "party?" (gathering?), when she says (loudly and
> patronizingly like Biden is third grader with learning disabilities) "You
> did a GOOD job, Joe." Is she his wife or his schoolmarm? (And this was
> after she had to lead him off the stage — couldn't someone in the Secret
> Service have taken care of that?)
>
> I tend to believe the Democrats knew this would happen and scheduled this
> debate very early so they would have time to try to convince Biden to quit.
> Nothing else makes sense.
>
> I know one thing. I'm not voting for either of these two.

I kind of agree. Except I'll vote for Biden even if he is in hospice.
Trump is insane.

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> On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 15:57:17 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> I tend to believe the Democrats knew this would happen and scheduled
>> this debate very early so they would have time to try to convince Biden
>> to quit.
>> Nothing else makes sense.
>
> The True Believers are amazing.
>
> "Joe had a cold so they gave him a double shot of Nyquil so he wouldn't
> cough during the debate. I know that Nyquil knocks me out."
>
> "Joe was amazing at the rally the next day!" Yeah, he can still read
> scripted lines from a teleprompter most of the time.
>
> I really wish I was a better person and not experiencing Schadenfreude as
> the DNC tries to figure out their next move. This has the potential to be
> as much fun as the '68 National Convention. Maybe some latter day Hoffman
> or Rubin will manage to actually spike the water supply with LSD.

:-D

Mayor Richard J. "the Machine" Daley on the '68 convention: "The police
aren't here to create disorder. They're here to preserve disorder."

Damn I miss Mike Royko.

--
Advancement in position.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>"Joe had a cold so they gave him a double shot of Nyquil so he wouldn't
>cough during the debate. I know that Nyquil knocks me out."

You don't take NyQuil just for a cough, that's stupid. Don't people
know anything about these medicines they're buying, FFS? NyQuil
shouldn't even *exist*. It's not a safe product, it's for morons who
just throw drugs at symptoms, without thought. Cough suppression is
done by DXM, you don't need fuckin' APAP on top of it, and an
antihistamine, JFC get a clue people.

>"Joe was amazing at the rally the next day!" Yeah, he can still read
>scripted lines from a teleprompter most of the time.

Biden did OK on the merits but not on presentation. Trump won the
debate because of presentation.

>I really wish I was a better person and not experiencing Schadenfreude as
>the DNC tries to figure out their next move. This has the potential to be
>as much fun as the '68 National Convention. Maybe some latter day Hoffman
>or Rubin will manage to actually spike the water supply with LSD.

I am waiting to find out what happens, from here.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 6/29/2024 2:35 PM, Joel wrote:

> Biden did OK on the merits but not on presentation.

Biden: "We finally beat Medicare"

LMAO!

> Trump won the debate because of presentation.

Trump: "If you look at the former governor of Virginia, he was willing
to do this. He said, we’ll put the baby aside and we’ll determine what
we do with the baby. Meaning, we’ll kill the baby."

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/27/politics/read-biden-trump-debate-rush-transcript/index.html

Biden is just too old, and Trump is just too lying criminal lowlife.

It's hard to believe either of them are candidates for President of our
great country.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

> > Biden did OK on the merits but not on presentation.
>
>Biden: "We finally beat Medicare"
>
>LMAO!

He is the incumbent, he praised his record, that's par for the course.
He has a pretty good record, really, the system has a way of making a
Democrat president do the right things, mostly.

> > Trump won the debate because of presentation.
>
>Trump: "If you look at the former governor of Virginia, he was willing
>to do this. He said, we’ll put the baby aside and we’ll determine what
>we do with the baby. Meaning, we’ll kill the baby."

That part was weird, yeah. But Trump looked like a presidential
figure, youthful compared to Biden.

>https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/27/politics/read-biden-trump-debate-rush-transcript/index.html
>
>
>
>Biden is just too old, and Trump is just too lying criminal lowlife.
>
>It's hard to believe either of them are candidates for President of our
>great country.

It's just too much, yeah, why can't we put someone new up against
Trump? Why must Biden be a two-term president?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Ahlstrom: Trump is cracked.

Earth is cracked.

Ahlstrom: Good luck defining "Trumpism" :-D

Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax Chiiina.

Tariffs are soaring WWII style.

"Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote:

>Ahlstrom: Good luck defining "Trumpism" :-D
>
>Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax Chiiina.
>
>Tariffs are soaring WWII style.

As if that won't cost ourselves the money? It's bad enough that we
let them invest in us with the deficit, we're now going to pay the
prices of goods through the nose, just to pretend we can compete with
China? This is why Trump sucks on the economy, the righties like him,
the Republicans are OK with it all, but the Democrats are the ones who
are working it for the middle class.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-06-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 15:57:17 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> I tend to believe the Democrats knew this would happen and scheduled
>> this debate very early so they would have time to try to convince Biden
>> to quit.
>> Nothing else makes sense.
>
> The True Believers are amazing.
>
> "Joe had a cold so they gave him a double shot of Nyquil so he wouldn't
> cough during the debate. I know that Nyquil knocks me out."
>
> "Joe was amazing at the rally the next day!" Yeah, he can still read
> scripted lines from a teleprompter most of the time.
>
> I really wish I was a better person and not experiencing Schadenfreude as
> the DNC tries to figure out their next move. This has the potential to be
> as much fun as the '68 National Convention. Maybe some latter day Hoffman
> or Rubin will manage to actually spike the water supply with LSD.

Not so amazing the day after that (today?). I saw a short video of Jill
Biden speaking at a rally and Joe Biden doing the motionless, "zombie stare"
thing again, like he did at the "Juneteenth" thing at the White House when
they were playing music. He's definitely not well. I don't know if he's had
a mini-stroke or what (or maybe it's the medication he's on?). I'm beginning
to think the Democrats won't have to make a decision to remove him. And my
impression of Jill Biden is getting lower every day. I think she's desperate
to hold on to the White House and is more concerned about that then she is
about her husband.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-06-29, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-06-29, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 16:07:12 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <brevsnip>
>>>>
>>>>> I cut Biden a little slack for having just completed a number of
>>>>> meetings with world leaders across the world, but others won't.
>>>>
>>>> After a week of prep he should have been rested and loaded for bear. I
>>>> didn't watch the debate but quite a few X posts had video clips. I watched
>>>> a couple and really thought they must have been edited or faked somehow.
>>>> They weren't.
>>>
>>> In 2020, Biden was able to withstand, his stuttering issue notwithstanding,
>>> Trump's unchecked Gish gallop.
>>>
>>> In 2024, not so much.
>>
>> I didn't watch the debate but the clips I did see didn't look much different
>> than Biden at various functions for at least the last year. I'm actually
>> feeling a bit sorry for him at this point.
>>
>> Probably the most absurd part of it was when Trump and Biden (both around 80
>> years old) started arguing about their freaking golf games. Good grief, grow
>> up — at least try to stay focused.
>>
>> Probably the biggest insult to Biden was from Jill Biden at the
>> "after-debate" "party?" (gathering?), when she says (loudly and
>> patronizingly like Biden is third grader with learning disabilities) "You
>> did a GOOD job, Joe." Is she his wife or his schoolmarm? (And this was
>> after she had to lead him off the stage — couldn't someone in the Secret
>> Service have taken care of that?)
>>
>> I tend to believe the Democrats knew this would happen and scheduled this
>> debate very early so they would have time to try to convince Biden to quit.
>> Nothing else makes sense.
>>
>> I know one thing. I'm not voting for either of these two.
>
> I kind of agree. Except I'll vote for Biden even if he is in hospice.
> Trump is insane.

He's a blustering idiot, but he dutifully does what his masters tell him to
do. What decision did he make (as president) that makes you think he's
"insane?" I know he did a lot better job of keeping us out of wars than has
Biden — or, rather, Biden's handlers.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 18:06:06 -0400, Joel wrote:

> "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote:
>
>>Ahlstrom: Good luck defining "Trumpism" :-D
>>
>>Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax Chiiina.
>>
>>Tariffs are soaring WWII style.
>
>
> As if that won't cost ourselves the money? It's bad enough that we let
> them invest in us with the deficit, we're now going to pay the prices of
> goods through the nose, just to pretend we can compete with China? This
> is why Trump sucks on the economy, the righties like him,
> the Republicans are OK with it all, but the Democrats are the ones who
> are working it for the middle class.

Democrats work for the middle class and blacks like the Republicans work
for conservatives and evangelicals. They both work for the people who buy
them their offices and to paraphrase George Carlin, it ain't us.

For the record I think Jamaal Bowman is a massive waste of oxygen but who
spent $15 million to primary him? That may be a hint for who actually
calls the shots in our 'democracy'.

On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 14:48:27 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:

> Ahlstrom: Trump is cracked.
>
> Earth is cracked.

https://www.pnsn.org/volcanoes/mount-st-helens

It's thinking about it. Shoveling snow is bad enough; i don't need to be
shoveling ash.