On Thu, 5 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 21:52:51 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Fascinating! Had no idea they were picky eaters! Maybe the goats were
>> less picky?
>
> They will eat spurge if they run out of more palatable food. Some have
> reported success.
>
> https://www.realagriculture.com/2018/03/controlling-leafy-spurge-one-
> flock-at-a-time/
>
> I don't know the full story. They did it for a few years but when the
> sheep went home signs would go up along the trails saying they were going
> to treat the area with herbicide.
>
> The idea wasn't all that popular with hikers. Dogs were banned both to
> prevent them harassing the sheep and to reduce conflicts with the
> sheepdogs. The sheepdogs were even aggressive to humans. They never tried
> to bite me but they gave the impression I wasn't welcome.
>
> The goats were never used on the mountain. I go past the farm on my way to
> work and noticed it switched from sheep to goats and a lonesome looking
> yak. Quite a few sheep operations have shut down. Lamb has went out of
> favor and much of what is available comes from New Zealand. I don't know
> how profitable wool production is either.
>

Well one thing is sure, it's not easy to be a farmer.

> the suggestions, check a few boxes ... saves like
> an hour. Ever set up RAID The Hard Way ? With Yast

Yast? Are you another opensuse user? I thought I was the only one!

> it's literally a minute or two and it'll do a good
> guess at the opt flags and such needed for what
> you're setting up.
>
>

On Thu, 5 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

>> I wonder if I can get bear somewhere where I am at the moment? Maybe I can
>> find a russian restaurant, but my wife would refuse to go, so maybe not so
>> smart after all. =/
>
> Whale ? SHAME !!! :-)

No, no at all, it's our hate that makes us strong, as the emperor teaches us!

> Japan alone is driving their extinction, TOO tasty !

Jokes aside, no extinction in sight. They are actually recovering. Icelanders
and japanese, and faroese are bright enough to understand that overfishing leads
to destruction of the business, so whale there is as ethical as it gets.

> Too bright to eat IMHO ... feel more "moral" with
> something more stupid.
>
> They ARE related to pigs, which surely contributes
> to the taste.

Strange... by taste and look, I would have thought closer to a cow than a pig.
Looks very similar to beef when cooked.

> As for bear ... it CAN be had sometimes in the
> American west. Wyoming, Montana, that general
> area. They are hunted, but not all so much by
> and large, so it's a matter of lucky timing.
>
> There's also alligator in the south - surprisingly
> like chicken if cooked properly. When did reptiles
> diverge from dinos/birds ???

I had alligator and it's ok. I would like to try python, since I heard that this
is the cheapest protein you can farm, with the exception of insects.

On Thu, 5 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 12/4/24 3:55 PM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 00:44:28 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>    Alas, the way 'conservationists' tend to move-around species .......
>>>
>>> There was an attempt to reestablish the elk population in upstate New York
>>> which inadvertently introduced chronic wasting disease into the whitetail
>>> population. The jury is out on whether it's transmissible to humans.
>>>
>>> The bison in Yellowstone National Park are another source of controversy.
>>> The herds are infected with brucellosis and being wild tend to wander out
>>> of the park.
>>>
>>> https://thecounter.org/slaughtering-yellowstone-buffalo-brucellosis/
>>>
>>> Wolves, which are reintroducing themselves, are a source of controversy
>>> too. Lucky for the US wolves they don't have von der Leyden on their case.
>>
>> Ahh... a wolf eating her pony, that brings joy and laughter to my life!
>> Before that, oh so noble minded and eco-fascist, and when nature knocked on
>> the door, it was full nazi mode. =D
>
> Repopulating wolves was a MISTAKE in my opinion.
> All the old stories, they weren't wrong. Humans
> are easy to hunt/kill for wolves.
>
> The farmers/herdsmen SHOOT the things on sight even
> now ... just don't TELL anybody.
>

I think sweden decided to reduce the population from 170 to 120 in 2025.
Only eco-fascists care. No one else does.

On Thu, 5 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 12/4/24 4:00 PM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 14:07:42 +0100, D wrote:
>>>
>>>> So do I, but I still enjoy eating them. People are strange! Sometimes I
>>>> do not understand them at all.
>>>
>>> I was able to compartmentalize as a kid. There was the friendly squirrel
>>> we fed and then there was his cousins out in the woods that fed us.
>>>
>>> Before my time but my parents raised a pig. Pig farming is one thing but
>>> raising one pig is something else since pigs are quite intelligent. The
>>> pig got butchered in the fall and eaten but the experiment wasn't
>>> repeated. They stuck to chickens.
>>
>> Yes, I imagine the more intelligent they are, and the fewer they are, the
>> stronger connection you build, and the less tasty the food.
>>
>> Reminds me of the old Simpsons episode when Homer raises a small lobster
>> only to consume it while crying.
>
>
> Yep - we can mentally split such things. Pet calf -vs-
> Big Mac ... entirely different even while not being
> so different :-)
>
> Kinda how we treat US and THEM too ... nothing is too
> bad for The Enemy, for THEM ...

There is great good and great evil in man. That's what makes him so
fascinating and why fighting is such a necessary sport to give an outlet
for all that aggression.

> Maybe that's why our subspecies wound up the ONLY one,
> seriously weird and hostile and LOVES cognitive dissonance :-)
>
> Ah, the poor Neanderthals. Never stood a chance.
>
> "Six impossible things before breakfast ..."
>

On 05/12/2024 09:31, D wrote:
> There is great good and great evil in man. That's what makes him so
> fascinating and why fighting is such a necessary sport to give an outlet
> for all that aggression.

Only man creates the categories of good and evil.
Science does not include them

--
To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.

On Thu, 5 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 05/12/2024 09:31, D wrote:
>> There is great good and great evil in man. That's what makes him so
>> fascinating and why fighting is such a necessary sport to give an outlet
>> for all that aggression.
>
> Only man creates the categories of good and evil.
> Science does not include them

I think you know what I mean. In order to avoid nitpicking, let's say
creative and destructive energies.

On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 01:03:09 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> I kinda know how Apache thinks, what goes in which config files /
> folders.

Apache conceptually only has a single config file. Everything else is
(directly or indirectly) included from that file.

Yes, I was using Apache back when distros shipped it with everything in a
single config file.

The common layout nowadays is not hard to get to grips with: put each
virtual site into its own config file, and use macros and your own
includes to avoid repeated cut/paste of the same boilerplate.

On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 10:22:53 +0100, D wrote:

> Hmm, I wonder if it is difficult to make? My wifes father has about 15
> apple trees or so in the country side and gets more apples than he can
> deal with.

https://www.instructables.com/How-to-make-cider/

That would work for small quantities. The person we got cider from had a
hopper that fed the apples into a drum with screws sticking out and used
the tractor PTO to run the drum but he was large scale. The press was
essentially the same but larger with a jackscrew rather than a hydraulic
jack.

On 2024-12-02, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 2 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 01/12/2024 17:32, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30/11/2024 20:54, D wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well pie it with bacon mushroom and a white wine white sauce. Or curry
>>>>>> the bugger.
>>>>>> Or buy a chicken from someone who keeps them around the back yard eating
>>>>>> worms and stuff. THEY have taste
>>>>>
>>>>> After christmas, this is exactly the experiment I am embarking upon. The
>>>>> wife will buy a chicken from a free range farm, and we'll see how it
>>>>> compares. My bet is it will be better, but not good enough to get me to
>>>>> enjoy chicken breast.
>>>>>
>>>> I would concur with that. Chicken is cheap protein. Expecting it to be
>>>> more is nuts. All reptiles - and birds evolved from reptiles - 'tastes
>>>> like chicken'.
>>>
>>> I read that in terms of protein, breeding snakes is the Donald Trump of
>>> protein when it comes to price! A free business idea for this group could
>>> be to start a snake breeding farm and sell chicken:ish, protein at very
>>> good prices!
>>>
>>> Then there's also insect protein. I do not know how it compared with snake
>>> protein.
>>>
>> In S Africa Locusts and crickets were known as 'pParkhurst prawns'
>>
>> Edible if you wanted.
>
> Fascinating to think about that, given the enormous amount of locusts
> which plague them from time to time. Huge amounts of protein there, just
> for the taking!

I haven't checked with my friend Google/et.al. but I seem to recall that
there is a problem that the chitin (sp?) of those insects....the
'shell'...can have some potent allergen reactions for some people.

I've heard that this can be a problem with 'cricket flour', I believe.

This being Usenet I'm sure someone will set me straight if I'm way off base!

pH in Aptos

>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Free range costs more and tastes a little better, but for the same money
>>>> you could find a better bird to eat.
>>>
>>> Duck should be possible to obtain here. I like duck!
>>>
>>>>> The pie idea is good though!
>>>>
>>>> Europe is full of ideas for making shit food taste better.
>>>> Porcini mushrooms (ceps) taste meatier than meat.
>>>
>>> Amen!
>>>
>>>> Spices add some sort of interest as do herbs, and garlic.
>>>>
>>>> However some foods are so shit that nothing works.
>>>
>>> There is another method where you make the shit taste shittier, and thereby
>>> the shit cancels out resulting in a less shittier final result!
>>
>>
>>

On 2024-12-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 01:37:58 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> As for bear ... it CAN be had sometimes in the American west.
>> Wyoming, Montana, that general area. They are hunted, but not all so
>> much by and large, so it's a matter of lucky timing.
>
> There are bear seasons in the fall and spring. I don't know anyone
> personally who hunts bear.
>
> https://www.swanmountainoutfitters.com/trip/montana-black-bear-hunts/
>
> Only $5000 per person for the 6 day Cast & Blast special. At least it's
> fair chase. Some areas use hounds in the spring. Most of the nimrods
> aren't hunting for the meat they just want to kill a bear. Personally I
> root for the bears.

Interesting coincidence that discussion about hunting bears is
going on when this news story breaks:

https://notthebee.com/article/bear-invades-japanese-grocery-store-drives-out-employees-and-lives-the-best-two-days-of-its-life

--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 03:29:11 -0000 (UTC), pH wrote:

> I haven't checked with my friend Google/et.al. but I seem to recall that
> there is a problem that the chitin (sp?) of those insects....the
> 'shell'...can have some potent allergen reactions for some people.
>
> I've heard that this can be a problem with 'cricket flour', I believe.

Probably for some people. Personally I'm a little weird and I eat the
tails on fried shrimp and shrimp cocktails. Maybe I have some sort of
dietary deficiency but I'm fairly sure I could handle cricket flour.

I don't know if it's still around but Reese was a company that sold cans
of weird stuff including fried grasshoppers, whale, and chocolate covered
bees. The grasshoppers weren't bad.

Trivia: Many of the Indian tribes ate grasshoppers. They approached it
with great efficiency and set fire to the fields. The fire got rid of the
legs and wings, producing roasted hoppers.

I don't know if they were as prevalent before wheat farming but the
Carolina hoppers are big.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissosteira_carolina

I had to roll the windows up on the pickup while driving past wheat fields
after the harvest because the cab was filling up with the damn things.

On 6 Dec 2024 04:02:31 GMT, Robert Riches wrote:

> Interesting coincidence that discussion about hunting bears is going on
> when this news story breaks:
>
> https://notthebee.com/article/bear-invades-japanese-grocery-store-
drives-out-employees-and-lives-the-best-two-days-of-its-life

https://www.poachingfacts.com/faces-of-the-poachers/buyers-of-bear-parts/

Good money in bear parts. The grocery store might have come out ahead if
they parted out Yogi.

On 12/5/24 4:25 AM, D wrote:
>
>
>>  the suggestions, check a few boxes ... saves like
>>  an hour. Ever set up RAID The Hard Way ? With Yast
>
> Yast? Are you another opensuse user? I thought I was the only one!

USED to be my fave from LONG back. Found a distro
in WalMart of all places. Had used Red Hat, but
SUSE (now OpenSUSE) had many advanced tools that
made the long and tedious NOT so long and tedious.

Alas after IBM and RH ... that whole group of
derivs ... you're kinda reduced to their beta
testers now. SO sad.

Switched to Deb - but now IT seems to have hired
a bunch of Canonical rejects .....

Fedora still seems ok - as far as Fedora is OK.
The Manjaro/Endeavour/Arch end is still OK. Never
a fan of Slack, but, who knows ...... gotta keep
evading suckitude.

Oh, DID get Tumbleweed to run on a Pi-4 ... and
it all worked. Alas it's a medium/large distro
so things were a bit clunky at times.

>>  it's literally a minute or two and it'll do a good
>>  guess at the opt flags and such needed for what
>>  you're setting up.

On 12/5/24 2:34 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 01:28:57 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> Had a .44 Mag lever carbine - it was ideal for boar in dense brush
>> ... strong enough and easy to whip around real quick. The boar hunts
>> YOU as much as you hunt IT. I think someone offers a .50 S&W
>> carbine/handgun combo now, but only use the handgun if you want fused
>> wrists in yer old age
>
> A friend bought a .454 Casull which was the big dog at the time. He was
> pissed when S&W upped the ante. I draw the line at .357 and even then for
> target practice I load closer to .38 Special specs.

.38 +P is about all ya need for general/defense work.
Just generally go for the lighter bullets, not the
traditional 158s. Fer sure those old "police loads"
did NOT impress.

NOT sure I'd like .357 for wild boar. It'd take TOO
perfect a hit. The .44 gives you a little slack.

I've fired a .454 ... and decided I didn't want to
fire one anymore. The .50 ... nah ! MAYbe for extra
large people. There's some point in there where you
go for a carbine/rifle.

Hmmmmmm ... if you necked-down the .50 to 10mm - a
sort of modernized 44/40. Might make a really good
revolver/carbine combo.

On 12/5/24 2:27 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 01:42:48 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> The farmers/herdsmen SHOOT the things on sight even now ... just
>> don't TELL anybody.
>
> The acronym here is SSS. Shoot, shovel, and shut up.

Yep.

The alt would be to crate 'em and drop 'em in
the Greenie's neck of the woods. Opinions
would suddenly change :-)

> https://assayjournal.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/jennifer-london-on-the-nine-
> mile-wolves-by-rick-bass/
>
> I worked at the Ninemile Ranger Station in '89 and '90 when the wolves
> showed up. It was a pack that drifted down from Canada not a planned
> reintroduction. They ate a couple of llamas, no big lost. Llamas don't
> belong here; wolves do.

DID.

Sorry, we can't put up with them any more.

And they'll eat yer kiddies even faster than
any llama ....

> There's a fund to reimburse ranchers for wolf kills but some people are
> just itching to shoot a wolf. A few years back a couple of guys shot an
> elk, It was late and they were tired so they decided to return the next
> day to butcher it. The wolves had other ideas.

Wolves will hunt OR scavenge - whatever works.

They're big, strong, smart - and very good at
organizing pack attacks.

On 12/5/24 4:36 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 05/12/2024 09:31, D wrote:
>> There is great good and great evil in man. That's what makes him so
>> fascinating and why fighting is such a necessary sport to give an
>> outlet for all that aggression.
>
> Only man creates the categories of good and evil.
> Science does not include them

The Real World exists. What any of that MEANS,
entirely our own inventions.

And those inventions tend to CHANGE over time.

Yea, kinda Nietzsche-esque ...

On 12/5/24 7:17 AM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 05/12/2024 09:31, D wrote:
>>> There is great good and great evil in man. That's what makes him so
>>> fascinating and why fighting is such a necessary sport to give an
>>> outlet for all that aggression.
>>
>> Only man creates the categories of good and evil.
>> Science does not include them
>
> I think you know what I mean. In order to avoid nitpicking, let's say
> creative and destructive energies.

To "Nature" ... I think it's all just superstrings hummin'

WE make of it all as we will.

Joe Alien ... he many have entirely different ideas ...

On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 01:13:40 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> Fedora still seems ok - as far as Fedora is OK. The
> Manjaro/Endeavour/Arch end is still OK. Never a fan of Slack, but,
> who knows ...... gotta keep evading suckitude.

Slack was my first distro. Download in pieces and copy to about 40
floppies.

I've got Fedora 40 on one machine. Not bad but it updates frequently
compared to Ubuntu or Debian.

Debian us on my work machine. I wanted stability, not cutting edge.

On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 01:48:53 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 12/5/24 4:36 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 05/12/2024 09:31, D wrote:
>>> There is great good and great evil in man. That's what makes him so
>>> fascinating and why fighting is such a necessary sport to give an
>>> outlet for all that aggression.
>>
>> Only man creates the categories of good and evil.
>> Science does not include them
>
> The Real World exists. What any of that MEANS,
> entirely our own inventions.
>
> And those inventions tend to CHANGE over time.
>
> Yea, kinda Nietzsche-esque ...

Beyond good and evil...

On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 01:40:20 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> And they'll eat yer kiddies even faster than any llama ....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wolf_attacks_in_North_America

South Dakota's governor shoots dogs; ours shoots wolves.

https://gizmodo.com/montanas-governor-killed-a-yellowstone-wolf-1846539341

Mountain lions are a bigger problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America

Despite them being more common than wolves the last fata attack in this
state was in '89.

On Thu, 5 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 10:22:53 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Hmm, I wonder if it is difficult to make? My wifes father has about 15
>> apple trees or so in the country side and gets more apples than he can
>> deal with.
>
> https://www.instructables.com/How-to-make-cider/
>
> That would work for small quantities. The person we got cider from had a
> hopper that fed the apples into a drum with screws sticking out and used
> the tractor PTO to run the drum but he was large scale. The press was
> essentially the same but larger with a jackscrew rather than a hydraulic
> jack.
>

Interesting! That could be a project for next summer. On the other hand,
for every liter of cider, I'd be giving up a liter of apple juice in the
morning. =/

On Fri, 6 Dec 2024, pH wrote:

> On 2024-12-02, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/12/2024 17:32, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 30/11/2024 20:54, D wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well pie it with bacon mushroom and a white wine white sauce. Or curry
>>>>>>> the bugger.
>>>>>>> Or buy a chicken from someone who keeps them around the back yard eating
>>>>>>> worms and stuff. THEY have taste
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After christmas, this is exactly the experiment I am embarking upon. The
>>>>>> wife will buy a chicken from a free range farm, and we'll see how it
>>>>>> compares. My bet is it will be better, but not good enough to get me to
>>>>>> enjoy chicken breast.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I would concur with that. Chicken is cheap protein. Expecting it to be
>>>>> more is nuts. All reptiles - and birds evolved from reptiles - 'tastes
>>>>> like chicken'.
>>>>
>>>> I read that in terms of protein, breeding snakes is the Donald Trump of
>>>> protein when it comes to price! A free business idea for this group could
>>>> be to start a snake breeding farm and sell chicken:ish, protein at very
>>>> good prices!
>>>>
>>>> Then there's also insect protein. I do not know how it compared with snake
>>>> protein.
>>>>
>>> In S Africa Locusts and crickets were known as 'pParkhurst prawns'
>>>
>>> Edible if you wanted.
>>
>> Fascinating to think about that, given the enormous amount of locusts
>> which plague them from time to time. Huge amounts of protein there, just
>> for the taking!
>
> I haven't checked with my friend Google/et.al. but I seem to recall that
> there is a problem that the chitin (sp?) of those insects....the
> 'shell'...can have some potent allergen reactions for some people.
>
> I've heard that this can be a problem with 'cricket flour', I believe.
>
> This being Usenet I'm sure someone will set me straight if I'm way off base!
>
> pH in Aptos

Wouldn't surprise me at all, but if that is only a problem with a minority
of people, it could still be a thing. Imagine, prime african grasshopper
steak! Hmm, or maybe that would be closer to bread? Or grasshopper burger?

>
>
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Free range costs more and tastes a little better, but for the same money
>>>>> you could find a better bird to eat.
>>>>
>>>> Duck should be possible to obtain here. I like duck!
>>>>
>>>>>> The pie idea is good though!
>>>>>
>>>>> Europe is full of ideas for making shit food taste better.
>>>>> Porcini mushrooms (ceps) taste meatier than meat.
>>>>
>>>> Amen!
>>>>
>>>>> Spices add some sort of interest as do herbs, and garlic.
>>>>>
>>>>> However some foods are so shit that nothing works.
>>>>
>>>> There is another method where you make the shit taste shittier, and thereby
>>>> the shit cancels out resulting in a less shittier final result!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

On Fri, 6 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 03:29:11 -0000 (UTC), pH wrote:
>
>> I haven't checked with my friend Google/et.al. but I seem to recall that
>> there is a problem that the chitin (sp?) of those insects....the
>> 'shell'...can have some potent allergen reactions for some people.
>>
>> I've heard that this can be a problem with 'cricket flour', I believe.
>
> Probably for some people. Personally I'm a little weird and I eat the
> tails on fried shrimp and shrimp cocktails. Maybe I have some sort of
> dietary deficiency but I'm fairly sure I could handle cricket flour.
>
> I don't know if it's still around but Reese was a company that sold cans
> of weird stuff including fried grasshoppers, whale, and chocolate covered
> bees. The grasshoppers weren't bad.
>
> Trivia: Many of the Indian tribes ate grasshoppers. They approached it
> with great efficiency and set fire to the fields. The fire got rid of the
> legs and wings, producing roasted hoppers.

Interesting! Nothing new under the sun! But somewhere there is a problem
or else there would be abundant grasshopper protein companies.

I mean, there are companies making ridiculously expensive meat
substitutes, but they have all neglected the grasshopper route.

Or maybe it is just culture, and they foresee it as being very difficult
to persude the consumer to try it.

> I don't know if they were as prevalent before wheat farming but the
> Carolina hoppers are big.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissosteira_carolina
>
> I had to roll the windows up on the pickup while driving past wheat fields
> after the harvest because the cab was filling up with the damn things.
>
>

On Fri, 6 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 12/5/24 4:25 AM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>>>  the suggestions, check a few boxes ... saves like
>>>  an hour. Ever set up RAID The Hard Way ? With Yast
>>
>> Yast? Are you another opensuse user? I thought I was the only one!
>
> USED to be my fave from LONG back. Found a distro
> in WalMart of all places. Had used Red Hat, but
> SUSE (now OpenSUSE) had many advanced tools that
> made the long and tedious NOT so long and tedious.

It's been rock solid for me for at least a decade. More probably. I had a
consulting gig at a cloud company and I used opensuse. Never had any
problem at all. The engineers all had ubuntu and had problems with the
wifi all the time. Ubuntu does not seem very good.

> Alas after IBM and RH ... that whole group of
> derivs ... you're kinda reduced to their beta
> testers now. SO sad.

This is not so good. I hope IBM won't kill redhat in the end.

> Switched to Deb - but now IT seems to have hired
> a bunch of Canonical rejects .....

Deb has been on my list to try, in case opensuse finally dies. I also
thought about trying Alpine linux but I do not know how much trouble musl
will cause me. Finally, if those do not deliver, I thought about actually
going back to some of my earliest experiments and try FreeBSD for day to
day use. Since I'm not a cutting edfe developer, I only need some basics,
which I think all are in the FreeBSD packages, so if they fixed their
wifi problem (I tried it 1 year ago and had to run a small linux VM for a
working wifi driver) it could definitely be a serious option. Oh, and that
would mean it doesn't drain the battery as well. But let's see. I think I
can stick with opensuse 15.6 for at least another 2-3 years, and then they
might kill the project in favuor of some container based crap.

> Fedora still seems ok - as far as Fedora is OK.
> The Manjaro/Endeavour/Arch end is still OK. Never
> a fan of Slack, but, who knows ...... gotta keep
> evading suckitude.
>
> Oh, DID get Tumbleweed to run on a Pi-4 ... and
> it all worked. Alas it's a medium/large distro
> so things were a bit clunky at times.
>
>
>>>  it's literally a minute or two and it'll do a good
>>>  guess at the opt flags and such needed for what
>>>  you're setting up.
>