"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-12-15 14:01, Joel wrote:
>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Newegg has prefab systems that aren't the name brand, that's what I'd
>>> go for if I wanted an OEM, but you can bet anything it won't have a
>>> motherboard like the one I bought as a part.
>>
>>How is yours materially better...
>>
>>...I mean apart from "bragging rights"?
>
>
> It's limitlessly expandable.

Except for adding another hard drive.. right?

> That's what the bragging rights derive
> from.

Must suck then that you've admitted to having ZERO expandability when it
comes to hard drives.

Hmmmm.. Wouldn't that be called "a limit"

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>On 12/16/24 4:04 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> Newegg has prefab systems that aren't the name brand, that's what
>>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>> go for if I wanted an OEM, but you can bet anything it won't have a
>>>>>>> motherboard like the one I bought as a part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How is yours materially better...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...I mean apart from "bragging rights"?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's limitlessly expandable. That's what the bragging rights derive
>>>>> from.
>>>>
>>>> My MacBook Air is "limitlessly expandable" to, Sunshine.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.sonnettech.com/product/thunderbolt/pcie-card-expansion-systems.html>
>>>
>>> Sounds easy to travel with.
>>
>>Yes, it is far easier than to lug a desktop tower, along with its
>>separate display, separate keyboard, & separate mouse.
>
>
> Not the point.

Sorry, you have already stated for the record those are valid points.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-12-16 14:53, Joel wrote:
>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>> On 12/16/24 4:04 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Finder in Snow Leopard was a piece of junk.
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall it being bad at all: it was speedier than its
>>>> predecessor
>>>> and used less resources. Of course, this complaint from Joel is from
>>>> an
>>>> OS introduced fifteen years ago (2009), so at the very least, he should
>>>> be sure to compare it to its contemporary of Windows 7, not current
>>>> OSs.
>>>
>>> Win7's Windows Explorer was far better.
>>
>>IN
>>
>>WHAT
>>
>>SPECIFIC
>>
>>WAY?
>
>
> Context menus, etc.
>
> --
> Joel W. Crump

Keep in mind that Joel is forever complaining about how I remain with
Win7...

and investment I continue to reap benefits thought from not having to pay
for new licenses and being able to take advantage of existing software for
which I have business or unlimited licenses, meaning I can install software
I've paid for once on as many machines as I want/need to. and which is
compatible with the file format still being used by current MS products.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>> On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy
>>>>>>>>>> drives
>>>>>>>>>> that perfectly sit under the desktop:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another NVMe or
>>>>>>>>> two.
>>>>>>>> Which is better in what measurable way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's elegant.
>>>>>> Why? What makes it more "elegant"?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's just a piece of the computer, once installed. No wire.
>>>> So by that argument, an all-in-one is more "elegant" than having an
>>>> external monitor?
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>>But you just defined elegance by lack of wires...
>
>
> But not by marrying different components to each other, creating a
> fragile system.

Your keyboard, mouse and monitor make for a "fragile system" then?

In <vkhnhe$2hg2e$50@dont-email.me> Scout wrote:
>
>
>
> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bfl5mjdo1glr63ushu3tjp935qln3gbc9g@4ax.com...
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> this USB had been used to install Linux. Don't be
>>>>>> a fucking moron. It is actually possible that the Linux installer saw
>>>>>> I already had Winblows, and was prompting me to wait a while to get
>>>>>> rid of it, but in any event it was a black screen. There wasn't a
>>>>>> problem with the disk, I'm not retarded.
>>>>>
>>>>> That fact that it "had been" used doesn't mean it was the right media
>>>>> to
>>>>> install Linux on that particular PC, doofus.
>>>>
>>>> Incorrect, "doofus", it was the normal 64-bit media, you're a fucking
>>>> moron.
>>>No. I'm not incorrect.
>>>
>>>You failing to be able to do something isn't proof it cannot be done.
>>
>>
>> I didn't "fail" to do anything,
>
> Then you got linux to install and you lied about your inability to install
> it?

Ha! Ha! Busted.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy
>>>>>>>> drives
>>>>>>>> that perfectly sit under the desktop:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another NVMe or
>>>>>>> two.
>>>>>> Which is better in what measurable way?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's elegant.
>>>> Why? What makes it more "elegant"?
>>>
>>> It's just a piece of the computer, once installed. No wire.
>>So by that argument, an all-in-one is more "elegant" than having an
>>external monitor?
>
>
> No.

......yells the spoiled child as he stomps his feet in anger.

Din004 <din004@oracle.com> wrote:
>On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
>news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by running
>>>>> within a VM
>>>>
>>>> You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to buy Apple
>>>> to run M$, though.
>>>
>>>Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of operating
>>>systems at the same time.
>>
>> VMs have real use, I agree.
>
>Apple is still for dummies.

I did stuff just as sophisticated with Snow Leopard as I've done with
Windows or Linux.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-25, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-12-25 01:44, Din004 wrote:
>> On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
>> news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by running
>>>>>> within a VM
>>>>>
>>>>> You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to buy Apple
>>>>> to run M$, though.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of operating
>>>> systems at the same time.
>>>
>>>
>>> VMs have real use, I agree.
>>
>> Apple is still for dummies.
>>
>
> Tell that to the people at JPL who use Macs...

I've been using Linux since 1997 or maybe 1995, I forget, but for me it works fine.
It's not perfect and in the past I have had some issues along the way but in say the past
5 years Linux has been rock solid for me.
I have friends and family members who use Apple devices as well.
Everything from engineering to finance to law enforcement.
And of course the same goes for Windows.
Sadly I am the only person amongst the above using Linux although others have attempted to but it just
didn't work out.
One thing we all have in common is that we researched the types of applications that we needed to run
and looked at the hardware platform as secondary.
Apple users are certainly not stupid and neither are Windows or Linux users.
Pick your poison and if it doesn't work out, move on.
Choice is a good thing.

--
pothead

All about snit read below. Links courtesy of Ron:

Example of Snit trolling in real time:

<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/biFilzgCcVg/m/eUcNGw6lP7UJ>

All about the snit troll:

<https://web.archive.org/web/20181028000459/http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/snit.html>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20190529043314/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20190529062255/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitLieMethods.html>

On 2024-12-25 18:07, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-12-25, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-25 01:44, Din004 wrote:
>>> On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
>>> news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
>>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by
>>>>>>> running within a VM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to
>>>>>> buy Apple to run M$, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of
>>>>> operating systems at the same time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> VMs have real use, I agree.
>>>
>>> Apple is still for dummies.
>>>
>>
>> Tell that to the people at JPL who use Macs...
>
> I've been using Linux since 1997 or maybe 1995, I forget, but for me
> it works fine. It's not perfect and in the past I have had some
> issues along the way but in say the past 5 years Linux has been rock
> solid for me. I have friends and family members who use Apple
> devices as well. Everything from engineering to finance to law
> enforcement. And of course the same goes for Windows. Sadly I am the
> only person amongst the above using Linux although others have
> attempted to but it just didn't work out. One thing we all have in
> common is that we researched the types of applications that we
> needed to run and looked at the hardware platform as secondary.
> Apple users are certainly not stupid and neither are Windows or
> Linux users. Pick your poison and if it doesn't work out, move on.
> Choice is a good thing.
I've never said Linux can't work fine for some people.

My argument is simply with people who claim that "Apple is still for
dummies".

On 12/25/2024 11:07 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-12-25 18:07, pothead wrote:
>> On 2024-12-25, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-25 01:44, Din004 wrote:
>>>> On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
>>>> news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by
>>>>>>>> running within a VM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to
>>>>>>> buy Apple to run M$, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of
>>>>>> operating systems at the same time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> VMs have real use, I agree.
>>>>
>>>> Apple is still for dummies.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Tell that to the people at JPL who use Macs...
>>
>> I've been using Linux since 1997 or maybe 1995, I forget, but for me
>> it works fine. It's not perfect and in the past I have had some
>> issues along the way but in say the past 5 years Linux has been rock
>> solid for me. I have  friends and family members who use Apple
>> devices as well. Everything from engineering to finance to law
>> enforcement. And of course the same goes for Windows. Sadly I am the
>> only person amongst the above using Linux although others have
>> attempted to but it just didn't work out. One thing we all have in
>> common is that we researched the types of applications that we
>> needed to run and looked at the hardware platform as secondary. Apple
>> users are certainly not stupid and neither are Windows or
>> Linux users. Pick your poison and if it doesn't work out, move on.
>> Choice is a good thing.
> I've never said Linux can't work fine for some people.
>
> My argument is simply with people who claim that "Apple is still for
> dummies".

YouTube and TikTok are full of Apple using morons who do their best to
lend credence to the claim.

On 12/26/24 3:44 AM, alex wrote:
> On 12/25/2024 11:07 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-12-25 18:07, pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-25, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-25 01:44, Din004 wrote:
>>>>> On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>> news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by
>>>>>>>>> running within a VM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to
>>>>>>>> buy Apple to run M$, though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of
>>>>>>> operating systems at the same time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> VMs have real use, I agree.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple is still for dummies.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tell that to the people at JPL who use Macs...
>>>
>>> I've been using Linux since 1997 or maybe 1995, I forget, but for me
>>> it works fine. It's not perfect and in the past I have had some
>>> issues along the way but in say the past 5 years Linux has been rock
>>> solid for me. I have  friends and family members who use Apple
>>> devices as well. Everything from engineering to finance to law
>>> enforcement. And of course the same goes for Windows. Sadly I am the
>>> only person amongst the above using Linux although others have
>>> attempted to but it just didn't work out. One thing we all have in
>>> common is that we researched the types of applications that we
>>> needed to run and looked at the hardware platform as secondary. Apple
>>> users are certainly not stupid and neither are Windows or
>>> Linux users. Pick your poison and if it doesn't work out, move on.
>>> Choice is a good thing.
>>
>> I've never said Linux can't work fine for some people.
>>
>> My argument is simply with people who claim that "Apple is still for
>> dummies".
>
> YouTube and TikTok are full of Apple using morons who do their best to
> lend credence to the claim.

So? Is that somehow proof that there's not just as many (if not more)
using Windows/Android/etc? Likewise, is an absence of Linux YT/TikTok
users supposed to be proof of them not being a moron...? Or is it a
data void because that OS doesn't support YT/TikTok? Know your data.

Likewise, just what does a claim of using a PC in "Law Enforcement"
supposed to convey in terms of relevance to the OS? That it can support
Apps which can send/receive email with photos?

-hh

On 2024-12-26 00:44, alex wrote:
> On 12/25/2024 11:07 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-12-25 18:07, pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-25, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-25 01:44, Din004 wrote:
>>>>> On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>> news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by
>>>>>>>>> running within a VM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to
>>>>>>>> buy Apple to run M$, though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of
>>>>>>> operating systems at the same time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> VMs have real use, I agree.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple is still for dummies.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tell that to the people at JPL who use Macs...
>>>
>>> I've been using Linux since 1997 or maybe 1995, I forget, but for me
>>> it works fine. It's not perfect and in the past I have had some
>>> issues along the way but in say the past 5 years Linux has been rock
>>> solid for me. I have  friends and family members who use Apple
>>> devices as well. Everything from engineering to finance to law
>>> enforcement. And of course the same goes for Windows. Sadly I am the
>>> only person amongst the above using Linux although others have
>>> attempted to but it just didn't work out. One thing we all have in
>>> common is that we researched the types of applications that we
>>> needed to run and looked at the hardware platform as secondary. Apple
>>> users are certainly not stupid and neither are Windows or
>>> Linux users. Pick your poison and if it doesn't work out, move on.
>>> Choice is a good thing.
>> I've never said Linux can't work fine for some people.
>>
>> My argument is simply with people who claim that "Apple is still for
>> dummies".
>
> YouTube and TikTok are full of Apple using morons who do their best to
> lend credence to the claim.

No more so than any other group of users.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:tc8pmjtmtndo6pu9a6ur4f4alnth4c5a43@4ax.com...
> Din004 <din004@oracle.com> wrote:
>>On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
>>news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by running
>>>>>> within a VM
>>>>>
>>>>> You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to buy Apple
>>>>> to run M$, though.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of operating
>>>>systems at the same time.
>>>
>>> VMs have real use, I agree.
>>
>>Apple is still for dummies.
>
>
> I did stuff just as sophisticated with Snow Leopard as I've done with
> Windows or Linux.

Well given your threshold of "sophisticated" is probably no higher than your
self proclaimed "elite" status or "cutting edge" PC.. that claim doesn't
mean a whole lot.

In <vkjpqt$3155d$1@dont-email.me> -hh wrote:
>
> On 12/26/24 3:44 AM, alex wrote:
>> On 12/25/2024 11:07 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-25 18:07, pothead wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-25, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-12-25 01:44, Din004 wrote:
>>>>>> On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>>> news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is easily done by
>>>>>>>>>> running within a VM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to
>>>>>>>>> buy Apple to run M$, though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of
>>>>>>>> operating systems at the same time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VMs have real use, I agree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple is still for dummies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell that to the people at JPL who use Macs...
>>>>
>>>> I've been using Linux since 1997 or maybe 1995, I forget, but for me
>>>> it works fine. It's not perfect and in the past I have had some
>>>> issues along the way but in say the past 5 years Linux has been rock
>>>> solid for me. I have  friends and family members who use Apple
>>>> devices as well. Everything from engineering to finance to law
>>>> enforcement. And of course the same goes for Windows. Sadly I am the
>>>> only person amongst the above using Linux although others have
>>>> attempted to but it just didn't work out. One thing we all have in
>>>> common is that we researched the types of applications that we
>>>> needed to run and looked at the hardware platform as secondary. Apple
>>>> users are certainly not stupid and neither are Windows or
>>>> Linux users. Pick your poison and if it doesn't work out, move on.
>>>> Choice is a good thing.
>>>
>>> I've never said Linux can't work fine for some people.
>>>
>>> My argument is simply with people who claim that "Apple is still for
>>> dummies".
>>
>> YouTube and TikTok are full of Apple using morons who do their best to
>> lend credence to the claim.
>
> So? Is that somehow proof that there's not just as many (if not more)
> using Windows/Android/etc?

iPhone users are generally 5 second attention whores, that's all they can manage. Hope that helps.

On 2024-12-26 13:09, Jon Ball wrote:
> In <vkjpqt$3155d$1@dont-email.me> -hh wrote:
>>
>> On 12/26/24 3:44 AM, alex wrote:
>>> On 12/25/2024 11:07 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-25 18:07, pothead wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-12-25, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-12-25 01:44, Din004 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>>>> news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is easily done by
>>>>>>>>>>> running within a VM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to
>>>>>>>>>> buy Apple to run M$, though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of
>>>>>>>>> operating systems at the same time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VMs have real use, I agree.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple is still for dummies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tell that to the people at JPL who use Macs...
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been using Linux since 1997 or maybe 1995, I forget, but for me
>>>>> it works fine. It's not perfect and in the past I have had some
>>>>> issues along the way but in say the past 5 years Linux has been rock
>>>>> solid for me. I have  friends and family members who use Apple
>>>>> devices as well. Everything from engineering to finance to law
>>>>> enforcement. And of course the same goes for Windows. Sadly I am the
>>>>> only person amongst the above using Linux although others have
>>>>> attempted to but it just didn't work out. One thing we all have in
>>>>> common is that we researched the types of applications that we
>>>>> needed to run and looked at the hardware platform as secondary. Apple
>>>>> users are certainly not stupid and neither are Windows or
>>>>> Linux users. Pick your poison and if it doesn't work out, move on.
>>>>> Choice is a good thing.
>>>>
>>>> I've never said Linux can't work fine for some people.
>>>>
>>>> My argument is simply with people who claim that "Apple is still for
>>>> dummies".
>>>
>>> YouTube and TikTok are full of Apple using morons who do their best to
>>> lend credence to the claim.
>>
>> So? Is that somehow proof that there's not just as many (if not more)
>> using Windows/Android/etc?
>
> iPhone users are generally 5 second attention whores, that's all they can manage. Hope that helps.
>

It helps us know you're ignorant and juvenile...

....so thanks for that!

On 12/26/2024 1:09 PM, Jon Ball wrote:
> In <vkjpqt$3155d$1@dont-email.me> -hh wrote:
>>
>> On 12/26/24 3:44 AM, alex wrote:
>>> On 12/25/2024 11:07 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-25 18:07, pothead wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-12-25, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-12-25 01:44, Din004 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>>>> news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is easily done by
>>>>>>>>>>> running within a VM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to
>>>>>>>>>> buy Apple to run M$, though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of
>>>>>>>>> operating systems at the same time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VMs have real use, I agree.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple is still for dummies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tell that to the people at JPL who use Macs...
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been using Linux since 1997 or maybe 1995, I forget, but for me
>>>>> it works fine. It's not perfect and in the past I have had some
>>>>> issues along the way but in say the past 5 years Linux has been rock
>>>>> solid for me. I have  friends and family members who use Apple
>>>>> devices as well. Everything from engineering to finance to law
>>>>> enforcement. And of course the same goes for Windows. Sadly I am the
>>>>> only person amongst the above using Linux although others have
>>>>> attempted to but it just didn't work out. One thing we all have in
>>>>> common is that we researched the types of applications that we
>>>>> needed to run and looked at the hardware platform as secondary. Apple
>>>>> users are certainly not stupid and neither are Windows or
>>>>> Linux users. Pick your poison and if it doesn't work out, move on.
>>>>> Choice is a good thing.
>>>>
>>>> I've never said Linux can't work fine for some people.
>>>>
>>>> My argument is simply with people who claim that "Apple is still for
>>>> dummies".
>>>
>>> YouTube and TikTok are full of Apple using morons who do their best to
>>> lend credence to the claim.
>>
>> So? Is that somehow proof that there's not just as many (if not more)
>> using Windows/Android/etc?
>
> iPhone users are generally 5 second attention whores, that's all they can manage. Hope that helps.

There must be a lot of stupid people because every mobile provider is
giving iPhones away now. iPhones suck in general. The only decent
thing about them is the camera.

On 2024-12-28 14:33, wasabi wrote:
> On 12/26/2024 1:09 PM, Jon Ball wrote:
>> In <vkjpqt$3155d$1@dont-email.me> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>> On 12/26/24 3:44 AM, alex wrote:
>>>> On 12/25/2024 11:07 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-12-25 18:07, pothead wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-12-25, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-12-25 01:44, Din004 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>>>>> news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is easily done by
>>>>>>>>>>>> running within a VM
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to
>>>>>>>>>>> buy Apple to run M$, though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of
>>>>>>>>>> operating systems at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> VMs have real use, I agree.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple is still for dummies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tell that to the people at JPL who use Macs...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been using Linux since 1997 or maybe 1995, I forget, but for me
>>>>>> it works fine. It's not perfect and in the past I have had some
>>>>>> issues along the way but in say the past 5 years Linux has been rock
>>>>>> solid for me. I have  friends and family members who use Apple
>>>>>> devices as well. Everything from engineering to finance to law
>>>>>> enforcement. And of course the same goes for Windows. Sadly I am the
>>>>>> only person amongst the above using Linux although others have
>>>>>> attempted to but it just didn't work out. One thing we all have in
>>>>>> common is that we researched the types of applications that we
>>>>>> needed to run and looked at the hardware platform as secondary. Apple
>>>>>> users are certainly not stupid and neither are Windows or
>>>>>> Linux users. Pick your poison and if it doesn't work out, move on.
>>>>>> Choice is a good thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never said Linux can't work fine for some people.
>>>>>
>>>>> My argument is simply with people who claim that "Apple is still for
>>>>> dummies".
>>>>
>>>> YouTube and TikTok are full of Apple using morons who do their best to
>>>> lend credence to the claim.
>>>
>>> So?  Is that somehow proof that there's not just as many (if not more)
>>> using Windows/Android/etc?
>>
>> iPhone users are generally 5 second attention whores, that's all they
>> can manage.  Hope that helps.
>
> There must be a lot of stupid people because every mobile provider is
> giving iPhones away now.  iPhones suck in general.  The only decent
> thing about them is the camera.
>

What...

....IN SPECIFIC...

....is supposed to "suck" about iPhones?

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>What...
>
>...IN SPECIFIC...
>
>...is supposed to "suck" about iPhones?

I can't stand them. Apple is just inferior to Samsung.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-28 14:43, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> What...
>>
>> ...IN SPECIFIC...
>>
>> ...is supposed to "suck" about iPhones?
>
>
> I can't stand them. Apple is just inferior to Samsung.
>

You not "stand[ing] them" is not an objective standard.

In what OBJECTIVE criteria is an iPhone worse than your Samsung phone of
choice?

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>> What...
>>>
>>> ...IN SPECIFIC...
>>>
>>> ...is supposed to "suck" about iPhones?
>>
>> I can't stand them. Apple is just inferior to Samsung.
>
>You not "stand[ing] them" is not an objective standard.
>
>In what OBJECTIVE criteria is an iPhone worse than your Samsung phone of
>choice?

The user interface is impossible to work with, not intuitive.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-28 14:55, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> What...
>>>>
>>>> ...IN SPECIFIC...
>>>>
>>>> ...is supposed to "suck" about iPhones?
>>>
>>> I can't stand them. Apple is just inferior to Samsung.
>>
>> You not "stand[ing] them" is not an objective standard.
>>
>> In what OBJECTIVE criteria is an iPhone worse than your Samsung phone of
>> choice?
>
>
> The user interface is impossible to work with, not intuitive.
>

In what...

....OBJECTIVE...

....way?

On 12/28/2024 2:36 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-12-28 14:33, wasabi wrote:
>> On 12/26/2024 1:09 PM, Jon Ball wrote:
>>> In <vkjpqt$3155d$1@dont-email.me> -hh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 12/26/24 3:44 AM, alex wrote:
>>>>> On 12/25/2024 11:07 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-12-25 18:07, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-12-25, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-25 01:44, Din004 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>>>>>> news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is easily done by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> running within a VM
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to
>>>>>>>>>>>> buy Apple to run M$, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of
>>>>>>>>>>> operating systems at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> VMs have real use, I agree.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apple is still for dummies.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tell that to the people at JPL who use Macs...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been using Linux since 1997 or maybe 1995, I forget, but for me
>>>>>>> it works fine. It's not perfect and in the past I have had some
>>>>>>> issues along the way but in say the past 5 years Linux has been rock
>>>>>>> solid for me. I have  friends and family members who use Apple
>>>>>>> devices as well. Everything from engineering to finance to law
>>>>>>> enforcement. And of course the same goes for Windows. Sadly I am the
>>>>>>> only person amongst the above using Linux although others have
>>>>>>> attempted to but it just didn't work out. One thing we all have in
>>>>>>> common is that we researched the types of applications that we
>>>>>>> needed to run and looked at the hardware platform as secondary.
>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>> users are certainly not stupid and neither are Windows or
>>>>>>> Linux users. Pick your poison and if it doesn't work out, move on.
>>>>>>> Choice is a good thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never said Linux can't work fine for some people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My argument is simply with people who claim that "Apple is still for
>>>>>> dummies".
>>>>>
>>>>> YouTube and TikTok are full of Apple using morons who do their best to
>>>>> lend credence to the claim.
>>>>
>>>> So?  Is that somehow proof that there's not just as many (if not more)
>>>> using Windows/Android/etc?
>>>
>>> iPhone users are generally 5 second attention whores, that's all they
>>> can manage.  Hope that helps.
>>
>> There must be a lot of stupid people because every mobile provider is
>> giving iPhones away now.  iPhones suck in general.  The only decent
>> thing about them is the camera.
>>
>
> What...
>
> ...IN SPECIFIC...
>
> ...is supposed to "suck" about iPhones?

Clunky disorganized interface, crappy browser that won't work right with
some websites. No easy way to tell how many apps or browser windows are
open. I've seen people with 40+ things open complaining about their new
iPhone being slow. Crappy IP stack that occasionally consumes every
single IP address available in a /24 until the WI-FI router is
restarted. Plus Apple users are not smart. They tend to say yes to
websites that want to send notifications.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>> What...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...IN SPECIFIC...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...is supposed to "suck" about iPhones?
>>>>
>>>> I can't stand them. Apple is just inferior to Samsung.
>>>
>>> You not "stand[ing] them" is not an objective standard.
>>>
>>> In what OBJECTIVE criteria is an iPhone worse than your Samsung phone of
>>> choice?
>>
>> The user interface is impossible to work with, not intuitive.
>
>In what...
>
>...OBJECTIVE...
>
>...way?

It's impossible to keep track of what one is doing, you leave an app
and have no route back to it, it doesn't multitask intuitively. Maybe
right-brained people are just oriented toward this bullshit, and Apple
happily sucks up their money, but normal people like the Galaxy S.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-28 16:00, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> What...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...IN SPECIFIC...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...is supposed to "suck" about iPhones?
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't stand them. Apple is just inferior to Samsung.
>>>>
>>>> You not "stand[ing] them" is not an objective standard.
>>>>
>>>> In what OBJECTIVE criteria is an iPhone worse than your Samsung phone of
>>>> choice?
>>>
>>> The user interface is impossible to work with, not intuitive.
>>
>> In what...
>>
>> ...OBJECTIVE...
>>
>> ...way?
>
>
> It's impossible to keep track of what one is doing, you leave an app
> and have no route back to it, it doesn't multitask intuitively. Maybe
> right-brained people are just oriented toward this bullshit, and Apple
> happily sucks up their money, but normal people like the Galaxy S.
>

If you have no objective way in which "the user interface is impossible
to work with"...

....you have nothing.

But let's address what little you have.

In what way does iOS not "multitask intuitively"?

On 2024-12-28 15:57, wasabi wrote:
> On 12/28/2024 2:36 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-12-28 14:33, wasabi wrote:
>>> On 12/26/2024 1:09 PM, Jon Ball wrote:
>>>> In <vkjpqt$3155d$1@dont-email.me> -hh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/26/24 3:44 AM, alex wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/25/2024 11:07 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-12-25 18:07, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-25, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-25 01:44, Din004 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
>>>>>>>>>> news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is easily done by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running within a VM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy Apple to run M$, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of
>>>>>>>>>>>> operating systems at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> VMs have real use, I agree.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apple is still for dummies.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tell that to the people at JPL who use Macs...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been using Linux since 1997 or maybe 1995, I forget, but
>>>>>>>> for me
>>>>>>>> it works fine. It's not perfect and in the past I have had some
>>>>>>>> issues along the way but in say the past 5 years Linux has been
>>>>>>>> rock
>>>>>>>> solid for me. I have  friends and family members who use Apple
>>>>>>>> devices as well. Everything from engineering to finance to law
>>>>>>>> enforcement. And of course the same goes for Windows. Sadly I am
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> only person amongst the above using Linux although others have
>>>>>>>> attempted to but it just didn't work out. One thing we all have in
>>>>>>>> common is that we researched the types of applications that we
>>>>>>>> needed to run and looked at the hardware platform as secondary.
>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>> users are certainly not stupid and neither are Windows or
>>>>>>>> Linux users. Pick your poison and if it doesn't work out, move on.
>>>>>>>> Choice is a good thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never said Linux can't work fine for some people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My argument is simply with people who claim that "Apple is still for
>>>>>>> dummies".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YouTube and TikTok are full of Apple using morons who do their
>>>>>> best to
>>>>>> lend credence to the claim.
>>>>>
>>>>> So?  Is that somehow proof that there's not just as many (if not more)
>>>>> using Windows/Android/etc?
>>>>
>>>> iPhone users are generally 5 second attention whores, that's all
>>>> they can manage.  Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> There must be a lot of stupid people because every mobile provider is
>>> giving iPhones away now.  iPhones suck in general.  The only decent
>>> thing about them is the camera.
>>>
>>
>> What...
>>
>> ...IN SPECIFIC...
>>
>> ...is supposed to "suck" about iPhones?
>
> Clunky disorganized interface,

How so?

> crappy browser that won't work right with
> some websites.

Give an example.

> No easy way to tell how many apps or browser windows are
> open.

Why do you care?

> I've seen people with 40+ things open complaining about their new
> iPhone being slow.

Bullshit.

> Crappy IP stack that occasionally consumes every
> single IP address available in a /24 until the WI-FI router is
> restarted.

Bullshit.

>  Plus Apple users are not smart.  They tend to say yes to
> websites that want to send notifications.
That has NOTHING to do with what iOS does.