"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> I needed Win10/11 at first, and enjoyed using them, but I moved on. It
>>>>> was worth it. I got my use out of it, but it outgrew my hardware, as
>>>>> M$ crapware tends to do, so I got out, I installed Linux. All is
>>>>> well.
>>>> No... ...Windows did NOT outgrow your hardware in 2-3 years...
>>>>
>>>> ...unless you bought the wrong hardware to begin with.
>>>
>>> You really underestimate what M$ does. They have proven that they
>>> support brand-new, high-end devices, in any real sense, that you can
>>> boot their crapware on a smaller system doesn't mean it will perform
>>> adequately, this is why Linux isn't just some oddball alternative,
>>> it's the real deal.
>>
>>I do Windows support for a living (because my clients that have Macs
>>basically never need to see me), and I know what makes Windows slow down.
>>
>>Hint: it's usually NOT the hardware.
>
>
> I kept my system sleek as much as one can with Winblows,

Except you've already admitted you didn't.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> I needed Win10/11 at first, and enjoyed using them, but I moved on.
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>> was worth it. I got my use out of it, but it outgrew my hardware,
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> M$ crapware tends to do, so I got out, I installed Linux. All is
>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>> No... ...Windows did NOT outgrow your hardware in 2-3 years...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...unless you bought the wrong hardware to begin with.
>>>>>
>>>>> You really underestimate what M$ does. They have proven that they
>>>>> support brand-new, high-end devices, in any real sense, that you can
>>>>> boot their crapware on a smaller system doesn't mean it will perform
>>>>> adequately, this is why Linux isn't just some oddball alternative,
>>>>> it's the real deal.
>>>>
>>>> I do Windows support for a living (because my clients that have Macs
>>>> basically never need to see me), and I know what makes Windows slow
>>>> down.
>>>>
>>>> Hint: it's usually NOT the hardware.
>>>
>>> I kept my system sleek as much as one can with Winblows, I'm not a
>>> dummy, I know what the fuck I'm doing with a computer. I know what
>>> the updates were bloating onto it, and I know I'd rather use Linux,
>>> where it's sane.
>>So why spend $200 on Windows in the first place?
>
>
> It's useful to have Winblows on a freshly built, state-of-the-art
> system - Linux lags a little in supporting fresh hardware.

State of the art... that HARDLY describes the system you've told us you
have.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> I kept my system sleek as much as one can with Winblows, I'm not a
>>>>> dummy, I know what the fuck I'm doing with a computer. I know what
>>>>> the updates were bloating onto it, and I know I'd rather use Linux,
>>>>> where it's sane.
>>>> So why spend $200 on Windows in the first place?
>>>
>>> It's useful to have Winblows on a freshly built, state-of-the-art
>>> system - Linux lags a little in supporting fresh hardware.
>>I'm calling bullshit on that excuse.
>>
>>Show me that Linux didn't support your system's components in any
>>respect when you bought it.
>
>
> I tried booting a USB of Linux with it, early on, it didn't even load
> the installer properly.

Translation: I'm so elite and can't even install an O/S without failing at
it

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-12-16 15:20, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I kept my system sleek as much as one can with Winblows, I'm not a
>>>>>> dummy, I know what the fuck I'm doing with a computer. I know what
>>>>>> the updates were bloating onto it, and I know I'd rather use Linux,
>>>>>> where it's sane.
>>>>> So why spend $200 on Windows in the first place?
>>>>
>>>> It's useful to have Winblows on a freshly built, state-of-the-art
>>>> system - Linux lags a little in supporting fresh hardware.
>>> I'm calling bullshit on that excuse.
>>>
>>> Show me that Linux didn't support your system's components in any
>>> respect when you bought it.
>>
>>
>> I tried booting a USB of Linux with it, early on, it didn't even load
>> the installer properly.
>>
>
> You failing to do something is NOT proof it can't be done.

Well according to Joel's standards unless he can do it.. no one can. Linux
was written purely for Joel in hope that he would adopt in therefore
clearing if for use by the rest of the world.

Which still doesn't explain Apple.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> So why spend $200 on Windows in the first place [instead of starting
>>>>>> with Linux]?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's useful to have Winblows on a freshly built, state-of-the-art
>>>>> system - Linux lags a little in supporting fresh hardware.
>>>> I'm calling bullshit on that excuse.
>>>>
>>>> Show me that Linux didn't support your system's components in any
>>>> respect when you bought it.
>>>
>>> I tried booting a USB of Linux with it, early on, it didn't even load
>>> the installer properly.
>>
>>You failing to do something is NOT proof it can't be done.
>
>
> I didn't fail to do anything, the installer didn't boot, shut the fuck
> up, nerd.

So, you're incompetent.

Unless someone else has done the work for you.. you just throw your hands in
the air and assert it can't be done.

Of course, I'm still trying to understand how an elite, as you assert
yourself to be, with a "state of the art" computer couldn't figure out how
to install Linux unless it was suitable for a moron to install.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-12-17 10:41, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> So why spend $200 on Windows in the first place [instead of starting
>>>>>>> with Linux]?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's useful to have Winblows on a freshly built, state-of-the-art
>>>>>> system - Linux lags a little in supporting fresh hardware.
>>>>> I'm calling bullshit on that excuse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Show me that Linux didn't support your system's components in any
>>>>> respect when you bought it.
>>>>
>>>> I tried booting a USB of Linux with it, early on, it didn't even load
>>>> the installer properly.
>>>
>>> You failing to do something is NOT proof it can't be done.
>>
>>
>> I didn't fail to do anything, the installer didn't boot, shut the fuck
>> up, nerd.
> You failed to find an installer that would boot.
>
> That's not the same thing.

Well, if Joel can’t get it to work... then clearly it's impossible for
anyone else. Which is no one used Linux until Joel wrote the operating
system for it.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Show me that Linux didn't support your system's components in any
>>>>>> respect when you bought it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried booting a USB of Linux with it, early on, it didn't even load
>>>>> the installer properly.
>>>>
>>>> You failing to do something is NOT proof it can't be done.
>>>
>>> I didn't fail to do anything, the installer didn't boot, shut the fuck
>>> up, nerd.
>>You failed to find an installer that would boot.
>>
>>That's not the same thing.
>
>
> Idiot, there was nothing wrong with the USB disk, it didn't load the
> Linux installer on my fresh hardware. Use your brain, if Apple didn't
> replace it with their propaganda.

Thus we see the depth of Joel's computer knowledge.. shallow

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-12-17 11:51, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> Show me that Linux didn't support your system's components in any
>>>>>>> respect when you bought it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried booting a USB of Linux with it, early on, it didn't even load
>>>>>> the installer properly.
>>>>>
>>>>> You failing to do something is NOT proof it can't be done.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't fail to do anything, the installer didn't boot, shut the fuck
>>>> up, nerd.
>>> You failed to find an installer that would boot.
>>>
>>> That's not the same thing.
>>
>>
>> Idiot, there was nothing wrong with the USB disk, it didn't load the
>> Linux installer on my fresh hardware. Use your brain, if Apple didn't
>> replace it with their propaganda.
>
> Sounds like a PEBCAK issue to me...

Well, that's only because you don't understand how 'elite' Joel is.

On 12/25/24 4:44 AM, Din004 wrote:
> On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
> news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
>
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by running
>>>>> within a VM
>>>>
>>>> You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to buy Apple
>>>> to run M$, though.
>>>
>>> Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of operating
>>> systems at the same time.
>>
>>
>> VMs have real use, I agree.
>
> Apple is still for dummies.

Claims the guy whose car has automatic choke, automatic spark advance,
automatic transmission, auto-sensing intermittent windshield wipers...

....right? /s

-hh

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>On 12/17/24 4:09 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sounds like a PEBCAK issue to me...
>>>
>>> And that is why you are a dummy, nerd.
>>
>>But how is he wrong?
>>
>>Certainly, you're not suggesting that anyone who tries to install Linux
>>on a Windows PC is doomed to fail, because we've seen that even people
>>like RonB have done so successfully.
>>
>>
>>So just what tangible evidence do you have that it is something that has
>>to do with the shortcomings of Linux and not shortcomings of *you*?
>>
>>
>>Damn...choose your poison, dude.
>
>
> Listen up, fellow, this USB had been used to install Linux.

Bullshit. It's just the form you CHOSE to use.

> Don't be
> a fucking moron.

After all, you have dibs on being the fucking moron here.

> It is actually possible that the Linux installer saw
> I already had Winblows, and was prompting me to wait a while to get
> rid of it, but in any event it was a black screen.

So you have no clue as to why it failed, and lacked any knowledge to figure
out the issue?

Absolutely a PEBCAK issue.

> There wasn't a
> problem with the disk,

How would you know? You don't seem to know anything else about computers.

> I'm not retarded.

Evidence would suggest you could be.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> this USB had been used to install Linux. Don't be
>>> a fucking moron. It is actually possible that the Linux installer saw
>>> I already had Winblows, and was prompting me to wait a while to get
>>> rid of it, but in any event it was a black screen. There wasn't a
>>> problem with the disk, I'm not retarded.
>>
>>That fact that it "had been" used doesn't mean it was the right media to
>>install Linux on that particular PC, doofus.
>
>
> Incorrect, "doofus", it was the normal 64-bit media, you're a fucking
> moron.

Are you sure? What testing did you do?

Are you sure it wasn't a 32-bit installer?

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> this USB had been used to install Linux. Don't be
>>>>> a fucking moron. It is actually possible that the Linux installer saw
>>>>> I already had Winblows, and was prompting me to wait a while to get
>>>>> rid of it, but in any event it was a black screen. There wasn't a
>>>>> problem with the disk, I'm not retarded.
>>>>
>>>> That fact that it "had been" used doesn't mean it was the right media
>>>> to
>>>> install Linux on that particular PC, doofus.
>>>
>>> Incorrect, "doofus", it was the normal 64-bit media, you're a fucking
>>> moron.
>>No. I'm not incorrect.
>>
>>You failing to be able to do something isn't proof it cannot be done.
>
>
> I didn't "fail" to do anything,

Then you got linux to install and you lied about your inability to install
it?

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>> A Mac mini wouldn't have the specs that I have.
>>
>>That you have ... or that you need?
>>
>>Case in point, you were asked awhile back about how much disk space your
>>PC took up when you first bought it, and how much it is taking up today.
>>
>>Needless to say, you avoided ever providing an answer, but we do know
>>indirectly that your storage growth needs are less than 300GB/year.
>
>
> I'll never use up the 1 TB, that's kind of the point. The drive could
> last many years. You want to have extra storage.

Sounds to me as if you paid more for storage you have no need of.. and given
the rate at which storage prices have fallen, you would have saved money
waiting until you needed it to increase your storage limits and probably
gotten a significant performance increase as an added bonus.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> I didn't "fail" to do anything, I had working media, neither Linux
>>> distro's USB booted to anything on the screen - you are a fucking
>>> moron.
>>
>>You imagine the words "working media" mean "works on everything
>>forever", do you?
>
>
> I had used them *recently* on the old computer, they were made by it.
> Could it be that there was a way to install Linux, though, yes there
> still are other distros like Gentoo, but I got the sense I should just
> enjoy Winblows for a while, and predictably I've switched back to
> Linux on the new hardware.

So no possible issue with the media or how your old machine formatted it or
copied the files.. it was purely an error of the O/S

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> I didn't "fail" to do anything, I had working media, neither Linux
>>>>> distro's USB booted to anything on the screen - you are a fucking
>>>>> moron.
>>>>
>>>> You imagine the words "working media" mean "works on everything
>>>> forever", do you?
>>>
>>> I had used them *recently* on the old computer, they were made by it.
>>> Could it be that there was a way to install Linux, though, yes there
>>> still are other distros like Gentoo, but I got the sense I should just
>>> enjoy Winblows for a while, and predictably I've switched back to
>>> Linux on the new hardware.
>>
>>You are good at making excuses, I'll give you that.
>
>
> What excuse did I make? I talk real talk. Yes, there was an issue
> with booting USB installer disks to try Linux on the new machine.

Which you were incapable of addressing.. and honestly, you don't even know
it was an issue with the disks rather than the operator, system settings or
even the hard drive format.

> Later, when I was tired of Windows, I have had great results using
> Linux on the machine.

IOW, they go Linux good enough for even morons like you to be able to use
it.

"will" <willford@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In <f076mjtsc1b1b6ivob90g7m9e9gt465md9@4ax.com> Joel wrote:
>>
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I didn't "fail" to do anything, I had working media, neither Linux
>>>>>> distro's USB booted to anything on the screen - you are a fucking
>>>>>> moron.
>>>>>
>>>>> You imagine the words "working media" mean "works on everything
>>>>> forever", do you?
>>>>
>>>> I had used them *recently* on the old computer, they were made by it.
>>>> Could it be that there was a way to install Linux, though, yes there
>>>> still are other distros like Gentoo, but I got the sense I should just
>>>> enjoy Winblows for a while, and predictably I've switched back to
>>>> Linux on the new hardware.
>>>
>>>You are good at making excuses, I'll give you that.
>>
>>
>> What excuse did I make? I talk real talk. Yes, there was an issue
>> with booting USB installer disks to try Linux on the new machine.
>> Later, when I was tired of Windows, I have had great results using
>> Linux on the machine.
>
> Why limit yourself to one OS? Run both.

If he can't install a single OS.. how could he possible set up a multi-boot
system?

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-12-20 17:19, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-20 16:50, will wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Why limit yourself to one OS? Run both.
>>>>
>>>> Or as you could do on a Mac: run all three!
>>>
>>> The Mac running Winblows is not that credible, possible to boot it
>>> sure, but it's a small side thing.
>>It is absolutely credible...
>>
>>...or at least it was absolutely credible...
>>
>>...until Apple started producing better processors and using them.
>>
>>:-)
>
>
> I destroyed the MacBook with Windows 7 along with my friend, it was a
> fun thing to try out OS X and see Windows on Apple hardware.

Why does that sound totally made up?

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> You're conflating "value" with "monetary cost" alone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not really, because it applies to prefab Winblows systems, too, they
>>>>> cheap out on certain parts to keep the prices competitive, that's why
>>>>> building my own was such a great investment, including of time itself.
>>>>
>>>> How does that even address my point?
>>>
>>> Because value is a quotient of money spent for material gained - my
>>> Gigabyte motherboard makes my system higher end than virtually any
>>> prefab PC system. Apple, though, is probably equally good, just more
>>> costly.
>>In what MATERIAL way?
>>
>>What is a metric...
>>
>>...that actually matters to your use case...
>>
>>...that makes your "Gigabyte motherboard" "higher end" than a system you
>>could have just bought?
>>
>>Remember, you're the one who always concedes that a small difference
>>actually doesn't matter to you.
>
>
> But durability does matter - I had my previous computer, with an
> Intel-brand motherboard, for 10 years. It was a fairly high-end
> system initially, ran the earlier forms of Windows 10 very well, and
> was still running Linux beautifully when replaced. I'd like to think
> this machine could last as long, or even longer.

Says the person who has attacked me for running Win7 despite the obvious
performance advantages on even moderately modern hardware.

On 2024-12-25 01:44, Din004 wrote:
> On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
> news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:
>
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by running
>>>>> within a VM
>>>>
>>>> You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to buy Apple
>>>> to run M$, though.
>>>
>>> Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of operating
>>> systems at the same time.
>>
>>
>> VMs have real use, I agree.
>
> Apple is still for dummies.
>

Tell that to the people at JPL who use Macs...

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> You're conflating "value" with "monetary cost" alone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not really, because it applies to prefab Winblows systems, too, they
>>>>> cheap out on certain parts to keep the prices competitive, that's why
>>>>> building my own was such a great investment, including of time itself.
>>>>
>>>> How does that even address my point?
>>>
>>> Because value is a quotient of money spent for material gained - my
>>> Gigabyte motherboard makes my system higher end than virtually any
>>> prefab PC system. Apple, though, is probably equally good, just more
>>> costly.
>>In what MATERIAL way?
>>
>>What is a metric...
>>
>>...that actually matters to your use case...
>>
>>...that makes your "Gigabyte motherboard" "higher end" than a system you
>>could have just bought?
>>
>>Remember, you're the one who always concedes that a small difference
>>actually doesn't matter to you.
>
>
> But durability does matter - I had my previous computer, with an
> Intel-brand motherboard, for 10 years. It was a fairly high-end
> system initially, ran the earlier forms of Windows 10 very well, and
> was still running Linux beautifully when replaced. I'd like to think
> this machine could last as long, or even longer.

Says the person who has attacked me for running Win7 despite the obvious
performance advantages on even moderately modern hardware.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-12-16 12:58, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> You're conflating "value" with "monetary cost" alone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not really, because it applies to prefab Winblows systems, too, they
>>>>>> cheap out on certain parts to keep the prices competitive, that's why
>>>>>> building my own was such a great investment, including of time
>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> How does that even address my point?
>>>>
>>>> Because value is a quotient of money spent for material gained - my
>>>> Gigabyte motherboard makes my system higher end than virtually any
>>>> prefab PC system. Apple, though, is probably equally good, just more
>>>> costly.
>>> In what MATERIAL way?
>>>
>>> What is a metric...
>>>
>>> ...that actually matters to your use case...
>>>
>>> ...that makes your "Gigabyte motherboard" "higher end" than a system you
>>> could have just bought?
>>>
>>> Remember, you're the one who always concedes that a small difference
>>> actually doesn't matter to you.
>>
>>
>> But durability does matter - I had my previous computer, with an
>> Intel-brand motherboard, for 10 years. It was a fairly high-end
>> system initially, ran the earlier forms of Windows 10 very well, and
>> was still running Linux beautifully when replaced. I'd like to think
>> this machine could last as long, or even longer.
> The i5 processor isn't consistent with your claim of "fairly high-end".

It's high end because as a self proclaimed "elite" Joel says it is.

Though apparently he can't install an OS unless it's idiot-proof

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-12-15 12:48, Joel wrote:
>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/15/24 12:24 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-15 02:56, Joel wrote:
>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> People who value things differently than you do are not automatically
>>>>>> stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I realize that concept is a little too advanced for your adolescent
>>>>>> thinking, but it's still true.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not adolescent thinking, it's simple math. And I'm not calling
>>>>> you "stupid", I'm pointing out that you can always do far better than
>>>>> Apple, on value, if you build [a computer] yourself.
>>>>
>>>> And if you don't value you your own time.
>>>>
>>>> Yu're conflating "value" with "monetary cost" alone.
>>>
>>> Ah, its the lame old classic bit of "my labor is always frrrrreee!".
>>>
>>> Well, as I've said before: prove that your labor is worth so little to
>>> you by coming over and mowing my lawn.
>>>
>>> Of course, at this time of year, their task will be raking up leaves ..
>>> or if it snows later, to get out there in the cold and shovel: I'm
>>> flexible for what menial labor task they'll prove themselves with <g>.
>>
>>
>> Labor and the time it takes is just part of getting a good PC, you
>> have to buy it as parts, you have to design it. You could pay a
>> fortune for some other person to do the work for you, but it's not
>> worth it, you'd be better off in that case with a decent prefab
>> machine. But what do you do with IKEA furniture? Do you pay someone
>> to assemble it, or do you just bite the bullet and take the time? It's
>> not so different with a PC, it's something you'll get a lot of use out
>> of. I've already had mine for 2 1/2 years, and it's like new. Worth
>> every minute I put in, assembling it.
>>
>
> But you don't pay "a fortune", Joel.
>
> You pay a small premium.
>
> And your computer is "like new"...
>
> ...after you've added a video card to address a failing in your research
> when designing your system...
>
> ...and replacing the OS with Linux because your system was so poorly
> spec'ed it couldn't keep running Windows well.

And let's not forget his motherboard/case choices which prohibit adding
another drive today.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> Labor and the time it takes [assembling computer hardware] is just part
>>> of getting a good PC, you
>>> have to buy it as parts, you have to design it. You could pay a
>>> fortune for some other person to do the work for you, but it's not
>>> worth it, you'd be better off in that case with a decent prefab
>>> machine. But what do you do with IKEA furniture? Do you pay someone
>>> to assemble it, or do you just bite the bullet and take the time? It's
>>> not so different with a PC, it's something you'll get a lot of use out
>>> of. I've already had mine for 2 1/2 years, and it's like new. Worth
>>> every minute I put in, assembling it.
>>
>>But you don't pay "a fortune", Joel.
>>
>>You pay a small premium.
>>
>>And your computer is "like new"...
>>
>>...after you've added a video card to address a failing in your research
>>when designing your system...
>>
>>...and replacing the OS with Linux because your system was so poorly
>>spec'ed it couldn't keep running Windows well.
>
>
> That's ridiculous. It's normal to add parts as needed,

Says the person who claims to be unable to add a hard drive.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Labor and the time it takes [assembling computer hardware] is just
>>>>> part of getting a good PC, you
>>>>> have to buy it as parts, you have to design it. You could pay a
>>>>> fortune for some other person to do the work for you, but it's not
>>>>> worth it, you'd be better off in that case with a decent prefab
>>>>> machine. But what do you do with IKEA furniture? Do you pay someone
>>>>> to assemble it, or do you just bite the bullet and take the time? It's
>>>>> not so different with a PC, it's something you'll get a lot of use out
>>>>> of. I've already had mine for 2 1/2 years, and it's like new. Worth
>>>>> every minute I put in, assembling it.
>>>>
>>>> But you don't pay "a fortune", Joel.
>>>>
>>>> You pay a small premium.
>>>>
>>>> And your computer is "like new"...
>>>>
>>>> ...after you've added a video card to address a failing in your
>>>> research
>>>> when designing your system...
>>>>
>>>> ...and replacing the OS with Linux because your system was so poorly
>>>> spec'ed it couldn't keep running Windows well.
>>>
>>> That's ridiculous. It's normal to add parts as needed, and replace
>>> bloating M$-crapware OSes with Linux. Why are you harping on it?
>>
>>Because you're trying to convince us your design skills are so "elite",
>>doofus.
>>
>>In the space of just 30 months you:
>>
>>had to add a video card because you didn't realize that you might end up
>>with a 4K monitor (and you couldn't make a 4K monitor work on a GPU that
>>is supposed to support one);
>>
>>had to abandon a $200 investment in Windows, because you either couldn't
>>spec a system that would keep up with upgrades to Windows or you
>>couldn't figure out why your system was slowing down.
>
>
> How is any of that true?

That is a question we've all being asking about your BS assertions....

> The 4K monitor worked with the Intel video,
> just not well enough,

Not what you are already on record as saying.

>adding the video card is a minor concern,

And yet, it was an expense that should have been utterly unnecessary

> I
> always intended that if there were a need for one I'd be able to do
> so.

So much for not making your system "fragile" with added on parts.

> The investment in Windows is nothing to me, I got a lot of use
> out of it in 2 1/2 years, until Linux better supported my fresh
> hardware. Big fucking deal.

So in short.. it took you 2-1/2 years to figure out how to put Linux on your
system and THEN you had to invest all that money in a new system to do so .

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-12-16 13:01, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Labor and the time it takes [assembling computer hardware] is just
>>>>>> part of getting a good PC, you
>>>>>> have to buy it as parts, you have to design it. You could pay a
>>>>>> fortune for some other person to do the work for you, but it's not
>>>>>> worth it, you'd be better off in that case with a decent prefab
>>>>>> machine. But what do you do with IKEA furniture? Do you pay someone
>>>>>> to assemble it, or do you just bite the bullet and take the time?
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> not so different with a PC, it's something you'll get a lot of use
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> of. I've already had mine for 2 1/2 years, and it's like new. Worth
>>>>>> every minute I put in, assembling it.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you don't pay "a fortune", Joel.
>>>>>
>>>>> You pay a small premium.
>>>>>
>>>>> And your computer is "like new"...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...after you've added a video card to address a failing in your
>>>>> research
>>>>> when designing your system...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...and replacing the OS with Linux because your system was so poorly
>>>>> spec'ed it couldn't keep running Windows well.
>>>>
>>>> That's ridiculous. It's normal to add parts as needed, and replace
>>>> bloating M$-crapware OSes with Linux. Why are you harping on it?
>>>
>>> Because you're trying to convince us your design skills are so "elite",
>>> doofus.
>>>
>>> In the space of just 30 months you:
>>>
>>> had to add a video card because you didn't realize that you might end up
>>> with a 4K monitor (and you couldn't make a 4K monitor work on a GPU that
>>> is supposed to support one);
>>>
>>> had to abandon a $200 investment in Windows, because you either couldn't
>>> spec a system that would keep up with upgrades to Windows or you
>>> couldn't figure out why your system was slowing down.
>>
>>
>> How is any of that true? The 4K monitor worked with the Intel video,
>> just not well enough, adding the video card is a minor concern, I
>> always intended that if there were a need for one I'd be able to do
>> so. The investment in Windows is nothing to me, I got a lot of use
>> out of it in 2 1/2 years, until Linux better supported my fresh
>> hardware. Big fucking deal.
>>
>
> You bought Windows, because (presumably) you thought it was the better
> choice...
>
> ...but then you spec'ed hardware that wasn't able to run it for more than
> 2.5 years.
>
> And if "investment in Windows is nothing to [you]", then why do you make
> such a big deal out of paying less for your system than an equivalent Mac
> (which you didn't; a Mac Mini would have done what you're doing and cost
> you even less).
>
> And if a monitor isn't working "well enough" and you have to spend
> additional dollars to correct it, then you didn't do a very good job of
> designing your system in the first place.
>
> You spent additional time on installing the new GPU.
>
> You spent additional time on installing and configuring Linux.
>
> Those are costs over and above what you'd have paid if you'd made your
> design choices better in the first place.

Further, let's remind everyone that Joel's choices were such that he can not
add an internal drive to his desktop.