Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>> The FIRST thing you want to do when deciding what personal computer you
>>> want to use is look at what you will be DOING with it; both immediately
>>> and in the future.
>>>
>>> Next, you need to determine what SOFTWARE you'd like to use.
>>>
>>> Then, and only then do you look to what operating system makes the most
>>> sense for you.
>>>
>>> And then you buy hardware that works with those choices.
>>
>> If I were Apple wanting to prompt people to buy my shit, I'd talk
>> exactly like you on misc.phone.mobile.iphone in 2024.
>Because it makes sense.
>
>You, OTOH, seem to think you buy a computer and its components for
>"bragging rights".

It's not really "for" bragging rights, but wouldn't you want to have a
little of them?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-09 11:29, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> The FIRST thing you want to do when deciding what personal computer you
>>>> want to use is look at what you will be DOING with it; both immediately
>>>> and in the future.
>>>>
>>>> Next, you need to determine what SOFTWARE you'd like to use.
>>>>
>>>> Then, and only then do you look to what operating system makes the most
>>>> sense for you.
>>>>
>>>> And then you buy hardware that works with those choices.
>>>
>>> If I were Apple wanting to prompt people to buy my shit, I'd talk
>>> exactly like you on misc.phone.mobile.iphone in 2024.
>> Because it makes sense.
>>
>> You, OTOH, seem to think you buy a computer and its components for
>> "bragging rights".
>
>
> It's not really "for" bragging rights, but wouldn't you want to have a
> little of them?
>

I'm sorry, but that is PRECISELY what you claimed.

And no: I don't give a damn about bragging rights.

My computer is a TOOL I use.

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
news:vj7du7$df0k$6@dont-email.me...
> On 12/9/24 10:27 AM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>> news:vj23ia$2mk4f$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 12/6/24 7:28 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Joel actually spent [allegedly too much], by accepting SSD performance
>>>>> that's only
>>>>> equal to his current, instead of 2x as fast by using a external, and
>>>>> skip the RAM upgrade as a BS claim:
>>>>>
>>>>> Base Mini with SSD bumped to 512 +1TB external SSD: $800 +$100 = $900.
>>>>>
>>>>> Outcome: significantly superior performing hardware, and with 1.5TB
>>>>> total storage instead of just 1TB...for 22% less money.
>>>>>
>>>>> And one _still_ has the option of running Linux on it, plus there's
>>>>> zero
>>>>> financial cost to go back to MacOS if you decide that was a mistake.
>>>>
>>>> My parts stand at under $1000.
>>>
>>> Yes, your hardware's at ~$950, because you've been desperately trying to
>>> ignore the $200 that you also spent on a Windows license as a mistake.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, "do-overs" from mistakes is part of the risk of DIY'ing.
>>> Just ask that guy who bought a 4100 graphics card after his integrated
>>> GPU was supposedly inadequate for supporting even but one 4K display.
>>
>> Then let's not forget his 'need' to buy a 4k monitor when his first
>> monitor proved inadequate to his 'needs' Then as you point out a need for
>> an additional graphics card because he either didn't check for
>> compatibility or was unable to configure for compatibility.
>
> To be fair, I think that Joel had said something to the effect that he was
> using some ancient monitor until it died.

Point, I now recall something like that. Doesn’t excuse his inability to
insure compatibility prior to purchase. Which is assuming such
incompatibility actually existed.

> Granted, I've also been guilty of running displays for 'too long', but
> that doesn't mean that I planned my desktop hardware so poorly that I
> suddenly also needed a new GPU for the replacement display.

Yep, or let's say there are hardware limits, you also would either make sure
the monitor you're getting is compatible with the hardware you have or
factor that extra cost as a single upgrade of system and monitor. He
clearly said he bought the monitor THEN found he was unable to configure it
for his hardware (I'm still on the fence that his hardware was incapable of
support and may just have needed updates.

Of course, you can also pick up slightly older monitors superior than what
he had for a fraction of the price of a new 4K and he's never indicated he
actually NEEDED 4K.

I've seen very nice monitors for $10-$25 in most computer shops and thrift
shops, that would have replaced his old monitor while probably giving
improved performance for a fraction of the cost of a new 4K. Particularly
when you factor in the cost of a video card just to drive it.

But we are talking about Joel, a self proclaimed "elite" who clearly doesn't
need to check for compatibility before purchase.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:pnbeljhnd4f4sgqhij67ud6g7olgq3sc95@4ax.com...
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-12-09 07:36, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>> Besides if he really wanted to put down Windows then the Mac O/S would
>>> be the clear challenger.. and we see what he's said about it.
>>
>>Indeed.
>>
>>And what he's said is mere puffery.
>
>
> You guys are serious, aren't you?

Wait your turn, the adults are talking right now.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5nceljlgq1m8kab60ugehiiqsqta57kv78@4ax.com...
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-12-09 09:55, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-09 07:36, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides if he really wanted to put down Windows then the Mac O/S would
>>>>> be the clear challenger.. and we see what he's said about it.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed.
>>>>
>>>> And what he's said is mere puffery.
>>>
>>> You guys are serious, aren't you?
>>
>>About you being unable to produce a single concrete example of the
>>supposed problems with Apple's products?
>>
>>Yup.
>
>
> The bottom line is, Alan is Apple incognito.

IOW, he knows what he's talking about, while you pretend to know.

> That is "his" only
> interest, here. I am speaking real truth, investing in hardware that
> is sensible means running Linux.

Odd. I thought you invested in that hardware to run Windows.

I mean that's what you told us.

Are you know claiming you lied?

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
news:vj7ckb$gmfb$3@dont-email.me...
> On 2024-12-09 10:13, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-09 09:55, Joel wrote:
>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-12-09 07:36, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides if he really wanted to put down Windows then the Mac O/S
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be the clear challenger.. and we see what he's said about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>> And what he's said is mere puffery.
>>>>
>>>> You guys are serious, aren't you?
>>>
>>> About you being unable to produce a single concrete example of the
>>> supposed problems with Apple's products?
>>>
>>> Yup.
>>
>>
>> The bottom line is, Alan is Apple incognito.
>
> You keep throwing out phrases as if they mean something.
>
> What is "Apple incognito" supposed to mean?
>
>
>> That is "his" only
>> interest, here. I am speaking real truth, investing in hardware that
>> is sensible means running Linux.
>>
>
> But you have the whole situation completely backwards.
>
> The FIRST thing you want to do when deciding what personal computer you
> want to use is look at what you will be DOING with it; both immediately
> and in the future.
>
> Next, you need to determine what SOFTWARE you'd like to use.
>
> Then, and only then do you look to what operating system makes the most
> sense for you.
>
> And then you buy hardware that works with those choices.

He did.. He got a system to run Windows on and was totally happy with that
for 2.5 years by his own admission.
Then he decided to try something else.. and then lost a monitor which he
couldn't get to work with his system requiring yet another upgrade... then
he felt his memory was inadequate because of his connection to the force and
so without tests or checks arbitrarily decides to increase his memory..
well, just because he could 'feel' it was time.
This after switching to Linux which was so superior than Windows that it
needed twice the memory according to him.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
news:vj7ejf$hhug$1@dont-email.me...
> On 2024-12-09 10:56, -hh wrote:
>> On 12/9/24 1:24 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-09 10:13, Joel wrote:
>>>> A...
>>>> That is "his" only
>>>> interest, here. I am speaking real truth, investing in hardware that
>>>> is sensible means running Linux.
>>>
>>> But you have the whole situation completely backwards.
>>>
>>> The FIRST thing you want to do when deciding what personal computer you
>>> want to use is look at what you will be DOING with it; both immediately
>>> and in the future.
>>>
>>> Next, you need to determine what SOFTWARE you'd like to use.
>>>
>>> Then, and only then do you look to what operating system makes the most
>>> sense for you.
>>>
>>> And then you buy hardware that works with those choices.
>>
>> I swear, some of these fanboys must think that the only thing that one's
>> supposed to do with a PC is to stare at flying toasters.
> Hey...
>
> ...it's all about "bragging rights".

Or in Joel's case.. "begging rights".

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:j5heljd33mbd7mm78165chhdlpoliclse1@4ax.com...
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> The FIRST thing you want to do when deciding what personal computer you
>>>> want to use is look at what you will be DOING with it; both immediately
>>>> and in the future.
>>>>
>>>> Next, you need to determine what SOFTWARE you'd like to use.
>>>>
>>>> Then, and only then do you look to what operating system makes the most
>>>> sense for you.
>>>>
>>>> And then you buy hardware that works with those choices.
>>>
>>> If I were Apple wanting to prompt people to buy my shit, I'd talk
>>> exactly like you on misc.phone.mobile.iphone in 2024.
>>Because it makes sense.
>>
>>You, OTOH, seem to think you buy a computer and its components for
>>"bragging rights".
>
>
> It's not really "for" bragging rights, but wouldn't you want to have a
> little of them?

And you certainly are really trying for a little of those bragging rights,
but failing miserably.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
news:vj7gm8$hs5k$4@dont-email.me...
> On 2024-12-09 11:29, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> The FIRST thing you want to do when deciding what personal computer
>>>>> you
>>>>> want to use is look at what you will be DOING with it; both
>>>>> immediately
>>>>> and in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next, you need to determine what SOFTWARE you'd like to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then, and only then do you look to what operating system makes the
>>>>> most
>>>>> sense for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> And then you buy hardware that works with those choices.
>>>>
>>>> If I were Apple wanting to prompt people to buy my shit, I'd talk
>>>> exactly like you on misc.phone.mobile.iphone in 2024.
>>> Because it makes sense.
>>>
>>> You, OTOH, seem to think you buy a computer and its components for
>>> "bragging rights".
>>
>>
>> It's not really "for" bragging rights, but wouldn't you want to have a
>> little of them?
>>
>
> I'm sorry, but that is PRECISELY what you claimed.
>
> And no: I don't give a damn about bragging rights.
>
> My computer is a TOOL I use.

BINGO!

On 10 Dec 2024, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
posted some news:vj9n0t$112k0$9@dont-email.me:

>
>
> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:j5heljd33mbd7mm78165chhdlpoliclse1@4ax.com...
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> The FIRST thing you want to do when deciding what personal
>>>>> computer you want to use is look at what you will be DOING with
>>>>> it; both immediately and in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next, you need to determine what SOFTWARE you'd like to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then, and only then do you look to what operating system makes the
>>>>> most sense for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> And then you buy hardware that works with those choices.
>>>>
>>>> If I were Apple wanting to prompt people to buy my shit, I'd talk
>>>> exactly like you on misc.phone.mobile.iphone in 2024.
>>>Because it makes sense.
>>>
>>>You, OTOH, seem to think you buy a computer and its components for
>>>"bragging rights".
>>
>>
>> It's not really "for" bragging rights, but wouldn't you want to have
>> a little of them?
>
> And you certainly are really trying for a little of those bragging
> rights, but failing miserably.

He's not running any iTrash junk. That's good enough for 51%.

On 09 Dec 2024, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> posted some
news:vj7gm8$hs5k$4@dont-email.me:

> On 2024-12-09 11:29, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> The FIRST thing you want to do when deciding what personal
>>>>> computer you want to use is look at what you will be DOING with
>>>>> it; both immediately and in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next, you need to determine what SOFTWARE you'd like to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then, and only then do you look to what operating system makes the
>>>>> most sense for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> And then you buy hardware that works with those choices.
>>>>
>>>> If I were Apple wanting to prompt people to buy my shit, I'd talk
>>>> exactly like you on misc.phone.mobile.iphone in 2024.
>>> Because it makes sense.
>>>
>>> You, OTOH, seem to think you buy a computer and its components for
>>> "bragging rights".
>>
>>
>> It's not really "for" bragging rights, but wouldn't you want to have
>> a little of them?
>>
>
> I'm sorry, but that is PRECISELY what you claimed.
>
> And no: I don't give a damn about bragging rights.
>
> My computer is a TOOL I use.

You have a TOOL Joel would use.

On 2024-12-14 12:14, Wayne Kerr wrote:
> On 10 Dec 2024, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
> posted some news:vj9n0t$112k0$9@dont-email.me:
>
>>
>>
>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:j5heljd33mbd7mm78165chhdlpoliclse1@4ax.com...
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> The FIRST thing you want to do when deciding what personal
>>>>>> computer you want to use is look at what you will be DOING with
>>>>>> it; both immediately and in the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next, you need to determine what SOFTWARE you'd like to use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then, and only then do you look to what operating system makes the
>>>>>> most sense for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And then you buy hardware that works with those choices.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I were Apple wanting to prompt people to buy my shit, I'd talk
>>>>> exactly like you on misc.phone.mobile.iphone in 2024.
>>>> Because it makes sense.
>>>>
>>>> You, OTOH, seem to think you buy a computer and its components for
>>>> "bragging rights".
>>>
>>>
>>> It's not really "for" bragging rights, but wouldn't you want to have
>>> a little of them?
>>
>> And you certainly are really trying for a little of those bragging
>> rights, but failing miserably.
>
> He's not running any iTrash junk. That's good enough for 51%.
>

Wow. That looks exactly like what a reasonable adult would write...

....no wait.

On 2024-12-14 12:50, Wayne Kerr wrote:
> On 09 Dec 2024, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> posted some
> news:vj7gm8$hs5k$4@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 2024-12-09 11:29, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> The FIRST thing you want to do when deciding what personal
>>>>>> computer you want to use is look at what you will be DOING with
>>>>>> it; both immediately and in the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next, you need to determine what SOFTWARE you'd like to use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then, and only then do you look to what operating system makes the
>>>>>> most sense for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And then you buy hardware that works with those choices.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I were Apple wanting to prompt people to buy my shit, I'd talk
>>>>> exactly like you on misc.phone.mobile.iphone in 2024.
>>>> Because it makes sense.
>>>>
>>>> You, OTOH, seem to think you buy a computer and its components for
>>>> "bragging rights".
>>>
>>>
>>> It's not really "for" bragging rights, but wouldn't you want to have
>>> a little of them?
>>>
>>
>> I'm sorry, but that is PRECISELY what you claimed.
>>
>> And no: I don't give a damn about bragging rights.
>>
>> My computer is a TOOL I use.
>
> You have a TOOL Joel would use.
>

Yeah... ...you're boring.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-12-14 12:14, Wayne Kerr wrote:
>> On 10 Dec 2024, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>> posted some news:vj9n0t$112k0$9@dont-email.me:
>>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:j5heljd33mbd7mm78165chhdlpoliclse1@4ax.com...
>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You, OTOH, seem to think you buy a computer and its components for
>>>>> "bragging rights".
>>>>
>>>> It's not really "for" bragging rights, but wouldn't you want to have
>>>> a little of them?
>>>
>>> And you certainly are really trying for a little of those bragging
>>> rights, but failing miserably.
>>
>> He's not running any iTrash junk. That's good enough for 51%.
>
>Wow. That looks exactly like what a reasonable adult would write...
>
>...no wait.

It's a troll, to be sure, but he has a point, I wouldn't brag about
having a fuckin' Mac.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-14 13:21, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-14 12:14, Wayne Kerr wrote:
>>> On 10 Dec 2024, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>> posted some news:vj9n0t$112k0$9@dont-email.me:
>>>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:j5heljd33mbd7mm78165chhdlpoliclse1@4ax.com...
>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You, OTOH, seem to think you buy a computer and its components for
>>>>>> "bragging rights".
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not really "for" bragging rights, but wouldn't you want to have
>>>>> a little of them?
>>>>
>>>> And you certainly are really trying for a little of those bragging
>>>> rights, but failing miserably.
>>>
>>> He's not running any iTrash junk. That's good enough for 51%.
>>
>> Wow. That looks exactly like what a reasonable adult would write...
>>
>> ...no wait.
>
>
> It's a troll, to be sure, but he has a point, I wouldn't brag about
> having a fuckin' Mac.
>

I don't brag about having a personal computer, because it's an
APPLIANCE; something I use to accomplish tasks.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-12-14 13:21, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-14 12:14, Wayne Kerr wrote:
>>>>
>>>> He's not running any iTrash junk. That's good enough for 51%.
>>>
>>> Wow. That looks exactly like what a reasonable adult would write...
>>>
>>> ...no wait.
>>
>> It's a troll, to be sure, but he has a point, I wouldn't brag about
>> having a fuckin' Mac.
>
>I don't brag about having a personal computer, because it's an
>APPLIANCE; something I use to accomplish tasks.

But it isn't just an appliance, that's how Apple has spoon-fed you
apparently, I assembled my computer's hardware, I installed the OSes,
Apple is just a quirky OEM.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-14 14:09, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-14 13:21, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-14 12:14, Wayne Kerr wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> He's not running any iTrash junk. That's good enough for 51%.
>>>>
>>>> Wow. That looks exactly like what a reasonable adult would write...
>>>>
>>>> ...no wait.
>>>
>>> It's a troll, to be sure, but he has a point, I wouldn't brag about
>>> having a fuckin' Mac.
>>
>> I don't brag about having a personal computer, because it's an
>> APPLIANCE; something I use to accomplish tasks.
>
>
> But it isn't just an appliance, that's how Apple has spoon-fed you
> apparently, I assembled my computer's hardware, I installed the OSes,
> Apple is just a quirky OEM.
I'm sorry, but it IS just an appliance.

Assembling hardware and installing OSes...

....that's the anomaly, not the norm.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> It's a troll, to be sure, but he has a point, I wouldn't brag about
>>>> having a fuckin' Mac.
>>>
>>> I don't brag about having a personal computer, because it's an
>>> APPLIANCE; something I use to accomplish tasks.
>>
>> But it isn't just an appliance, that's how Apple has spoon-fed you
>> apparently, I assembled my computer's hardware, I installed the OSes,
>> Apple is just a quirky OEM.
>I'm sorry, but it IS just an appliance.
>
>Assembling hardware and installing OSes...
>
>...that's the anomaly, not the norm.

Spoken like a bona fide Apple sheep. :)

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-14 14:32, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> It's a troll, to be sure, but he has a point, I wouldn't brag about
>>>>> having a fuckin' Mac.
>>>>
>>>> I don't brag about having a personal computer, because it's an
>>>> APPLIANCE; something I use to accomplish tasks.
>>>
>>> But it isn't just an appliance, that's how Apple has spoon-fed you
>>> apparently, I assembled my computer's hardware, I installed the OSes,
>>> Apple is just a quirky OEM.
>> I'm sorry, but it IS just an appliance.
>>
>> Assembling hardware and installing OSes...
>>
>> ...that's the anomaly, not the norm.
>
>
> Spoken like a bona fide Apple sheep. :)
>

Nope.

Spoken like someone who knows the statistics.

Most people...

....the VAST majority...

....buy a COMPUTER...

....not a collection of parts they can make into a computer.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>> It's a troll, to be sure, but he has a point, I wouldn't brag about
>>>>>> having a fuckin' Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't brag about having a personal computer, because it's an
>>>>> APPLIANCE; something I use to accomplish tasks.
>>>>
>>>> But it isn't just an appliance, that's how Apple has spoon-fed you
>>>> apparently, I assembled my computer's hardware, I installed the OSes,
>>>> Apple is just a quirky OEM.
>>> I'm sorry, but it IS just an appliance.
>>>
>>> Assembling hardware and installing OSes...
>>>
>>> ...that's the anomaly, not the norm.
>>
>> Spoken like a bona fide Apple sheep. :)
>
>Nope.
>
>Spoken like someone who knows the statistics.
>
>Most people...
>
>...the VAST majority...
>
>...buy a COMPUTER...
>
>...not a collection of parts they can make into a computer.

People who want real value will do what I did.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-14 14:51, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> It's a troll, to be sure, but he has a point, I wouldn't brag about
>>>>>>> having a fuckin' Mac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't brag about having a personal computer, because it's an
>>>>>> APPLIANCE; something I use to accomplish tasks.
>>>>>
>>>>> But it isn't just an appliance, that's how Apple has spoon-fed you
>>>>> apparently, I assembled my computer's hardware, I installed the OSes,
>>>>> Apple is just a quirky OEM.
>>>> I'm sorry, but it IS just an appliance.
>>>>
>>>> Assembling hardware and installing OSes...
>>>>
>>>> ...that's the anomaly, not the norm.
>>>
>>> Spoken like a bona fide Apple sheep. :)
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> Spoken like someone who knows the statistics.
>>
>> Most people...
>>
>> ...the VAST majority...
>>
>> ...buy a COMPUTER...
>>
>> ...not a collection of parts they can make into a computer.
>
>
> People who want real value will do what I did.
>

I'm sorry (and I know this will come as a shock to you), but:

People who value things differently than you do are not automatically
stupid.

I realize that concept is a little too advanced for your adolescent
thinking, but it's still true.

On 12/14/24 4:21 PM, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-14 12:14, Wayne Kerr wrote:
>>> On 10 Dec 2024, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>> posted some news:vj9n0t$112k0$9@dont-email.me:
>>>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:j5heljd33mbd7mm78165chhdlpoliclse1@4ax.com...
>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You, OTOH, seem to think you buy a computer and its components for
>>>>>> "bragging rights".
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not really "for" bragging rights, but wouldn't you want to have
>>>>> a little of them?
>>>>
>>>> And you certainly are really trying for a little of those bragging
>>>> rights, but failing miserably.
>>>
>>> He's not running any iTrash junk. That's good enough for 51%.
>>
>> Wow. That looks exactly like what a reasonable adult would write...
>>
>> ...no wait.
>
>
> It's a troll, to be sure, but he has a point, I wouldn't brag about
> having a fuckin' Mac.

They're just tools with which to accomplish one's workflow needs...

....but thus said, perhaps you don't recall how a decade ago, when there
was some geekery on COLA, the winner on a personal "Biggest Iron" thread
just happened to be a poster with a Mac. Oopsie for the l33t g33ks.

-hh

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>> Assembling hardware and installing OSes...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...that's the anomaly, not the norm.
>>>>
>>>> Spoken like a bona fide Apple sheep. :)
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>>
>>> Spoken like someone who knows the statistics.
>>>
>>> Most people...
>>>
>>> ...the VAST majority...
>>>
>>> ...buy a COMPUTER...
>>>
>>> ...not a collection of parts they can make into a computer.
>>
>> People who want real value will do what I did.
>
>I'm sorry (and I know this will come as a shock to you), but:
>
>People who value things differently than you do are not automatically
>stupid.
>
>I realize that concept is a little too advanced for your adolescent
>thinking, but it's still true.

It's not adolescent thinking, it's simple math. And I'm not calling
you "stupid", I'm pointing out that you can always do far better than
Apple, on value, if you build yourself.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-15 02:56, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Assembling hardware and installing OSes...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...that's the anomaly, not the norm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spoken like a bona fide Apple sheep. :)
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>> Spoken like someone who knows the statistics.
>>>>
>>>> Most people...
>>>>
>>>> ...the VAST majority...
>>>>
>>>> ...buy a COMPUTER...
>>>>
>>>> ...not a collection of parts they can make into a computer.
>>>
>>> People who want real value will do what I did.
>>
>> I'm sorry (and I know this will come as a shock to you), but:
>>
>> People who value things differently than you do are not automatically
>> stupid.
>>
>> I realize that concept is a little too advanced for your adolescent
>> thinking, but it's still true.
>
>
> It's not adolescent thinking, it's simple math. And I'm not calling
> you "stupid", I'm pointing out that you can always do far better than
> Apple, on value, if you build yourself.
>

And if you don't value you your own time.

Yu're conflating "value" with "monetary cost" alone.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>> Most people...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...the VAST majority...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...buy a COMPUTER...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...not a collection of parts they can make into a computer.
>>>>
>>>> People who want real value will do what I did.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry (and I know this will come as a shock to you), but:
>>>
>>> People who value things differently than you do are not automatically
>>> stupid.
>>>
>>> I realize that concept is a little too advanced for your adolescent
>>> thinking, but it's still true.
>>
>> It's not adolescent thinking, it's simple math. And I'm not calling
>> you "stupid", I'm pointing out that you can always do far better than
>> Apple, on value, if you build yourself.
>
>And if you don't value you your own time.

How much do you value time, that you'd pay Apple's rates?

>Yu're conflating "value" with "monetary cost" alone.

Not really, because it applies to prefab Winblows systems, too, they
cheap out on certain parts to keep the prices competitive, that's why
building my own was such a great investment, including of time itself.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.