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* GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Chris Ahlstrom
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 |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Chris Ahlstrom
 | `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1John Ames
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 |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Charlie Gibbs
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 | |   || |  +* Re: GIMP (and digiKam and other photo management programs)Lars Poulsen
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 | |   |   |   |`- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Chris Ahlstrom
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 `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Chris Ahlstrom

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Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: CrudeSausage
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On 2025-01-08 17:45, chrisv wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>> No, Carlos, telling the world that we will all be under water unless we
>>> give lots of money to some cabal of elites is what's propaganda and
>>> complete bullshit.
>
> Worse yet are the mandates that take away our freedoms.
>
> Everyone knows that they want to be able to shut off our cars
> remotely, to restrict our travel freedoms, right? And control when we
> run our air conditions, and what we eat, and all sorts of other
> things. Utter tyranny, is the plan.

It indeed looks like that. It might not have been obvious around 2010 or
so, but once Snowden revealed what kind of surveillance Westerners are
under and seeing the behaviour of Marxists since that time, it's pretty
clear that they want nothing less than total control.

>> Yes.
>> The impact of a putative net zero campaign will massively outweigh a 1
>> °C rise and a sea level rise of four inches.
>>
>> In both cost and environmental destruction
>
> I agree. There is no answer to the problems with mining. There is no
> answer to the problems from being utterly dependant upon communist
> China for everything from minerals to the completed car or solar panel
> or wind turbine or power transformer.
>
> The West takes a massive hit, while China laughs and builds a hundred
> coal plants every year. They are happy to take our money and make
> everything for us, until we are as dependant and as weak as babies.

Someone was circulating the theory that Trump's (and Musk's) desire to
annex both Canada and Greenland is the result of wanting access to the
minerals there, which are crucial to the development of electric
vehicles. I would imagine that there are lots of strategic military
reasons too. Maybe the man isn't joking...

--
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

Subject: Re: Time machine backups
From: The Natural Philosop
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From: tnp@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
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On 08/01/2025 02:49, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 2025-01-07, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>> Bought a 4TB external USB/NVME device for my workstation.
>> Installed Samba and configured it to use the "fruit"
>> module to offer up a Time Machine share for the
>> Mac Studio. (Also using it with Timeshift on the
>> workstation itself, but that part was easier.)
>>
>> (Backups are good; automated versioned backups are better.)
>
> I have setup "time machine" backups on two of my servers, using rsync to
> a local external drive, but I have not figured out how to do it to a
> Samba share. On the local external drive, using ext4 file system, hard
> links make it very space efficient, but I don't think you can do that
> with a Samba mounted remote drive. Any hints? Do you run the rsync on
> the file server, so that you can do the hard links on the backup drive's
> ext4 file system while the backup server sees its production client as
> the remote Samba mount?
>
> And is there a way to use a cheap remote "storage box" that is only
> accessible as a Samba NAS as the versioned storage medium with
> similarly good storage efficiency?

Anyioe expecting to preserve an ext4 file system accurately on a samba
mounted share needs their head examined.
Use NFS.

--
"Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will
let them."

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: The Natural Philosop
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On 08/01/2025 01:30, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 18:49:19 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> It has to be the right religion though A religion that simply takes all
>> yiur wealth and prromises yuoi only hell if you get upset is not a
>> keeper.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sja1UJM6Vgg

Lovely bit of shit kikkin country music.

I think I am a bit of a redneck, somewhere

--
"Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will
let them."

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: The Natural Philosop
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On 08/01/2025 09:50, D wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 07/01/2025 01:38, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

>>>    Know how to knap a flint spearhead ?
>>
>> Just about. Might take a few months though
>>
>> A lot of basic technology isn't hard to implement once you have the
>> right idea.
>> Spinning weaving and sewing are easy enough as is knitting etc.
>> Bows and arrows potters wheels and pole lathes are all easily built.
>>
>> Knowing that iron ore exists and can be smelted with charcoal and a
>> bellows takes you past the Bronze age quickly.
>>
>> As does basic knowledge of fertilisers and animal husbandry.
>>
>>
>> Of course there wont be enough to keep millennial snowflakes alive
>> whose only skill is tapping a touchscreen.
>
> I hear you are well prepared for the reign of Starmer! ;)

I am not sure he is going to last the course.

It will inevitably get worse until to paraphrase Churchill 'every other
alternative has been tried'

In times of plenty people let the parasites in government talk bollocks
and award themselves fat salaries.

If they don't interfere, generally the economy survives. But once get an
idealist in place, and they cant resist the urge to tamper with what
works, with no regard for unintended consequences.

Whilst I am no panic stricken Liberal, I also wonder how the Donald will
cope with more power than he has ever had in his life, either

Buy popcorn futures....

--
“The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools.”

Herbert Spencer

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: The Natural Philosop
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On 08/01/2025 09:53, D wrote:
> But the question is... who owns Trump?

Almighty God, some people think

It rather put my trust in a v8.

--
“Progress is precisely that which rules and regulations did not foresee,”

– Ludwig von Mises

Subject: Re: Time machine backups
From: Carlos E.R.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
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On 2025-01-08 03:49, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 2025-01-07, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>> Bought a 4TB external USB/NVME device for my workstation.
>> Installed Samba and configured it to use the "fruit"
>> module to offer up a Time Machine share for the
>> Mac Studio. (Also using it with Timeshift on the
>> workstation itself, but that part was easier.)
>>
>> (Backups are good; automated versioned backups are better.)
>
> I have setup "time machine" backups on two of my servers, using rsync to
> a local external drive, but I have not figured out how to do it to a
> Samba share. On the local external drive, using ext4 file system, hard
> links make it very space efficient, but I don't think you can do that
> with a Samba mounted remote drive. Any hints? Do you run the rsync on
> the file server, so that you can do the hard links on the backup drive's
> ext4 file system while the backup server sees its production client as
> the remote Samba mount?
>
> And is there a way to use a cheap remote "storage box" that is only
> accessible as a Samba NAS as the versioned storage medium with
> similarly good storage efficiency?

You can not backup using any type of file copy, like rsync, a Linux
filesystem into samba, or a windows filesystem.

The only way to do it is using archives like tar.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: Carlos E.R.
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On 2025-01-08 10:54, D wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 07/01/2025 10:43, D wrote:
>>> Cooling kills 10x the people than warming. That is how cooling is
>>> worse than warming. As for lack of water, desalination exists and
>>> works well. Desalination can be combined excellently, with solar
>>> power to drive down cost.
>>>
>> It is suitable for intermittent sources, yes. Nuclear is even better.
>
> This is the truth! But I am curious if solar would be a good option in
> say, southern spain to drive desalination, and in order to build the
> plants quicker, due to the politicians doing their best to still stop
> nuclear with the power of various regulations?

You forget that it is the people who do not want nuclear. It is proven
dangerous.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Subject: Re: Time machine backups
From: The Natural Philosop
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From: tnp@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
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On 08/01/2025 12:47, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-01-08 03:49, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>> On 2025-01-07, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>> Bought a 4TB external USB/NVME device for my workstation.
>>> Installed Samba and configured it to use the "fruit"
>>> module to offer up a Time Machine share for the
>>> Mac Studio. (Also using it with Timeshift on the
>>> workstation itself, but that part was easier.)
>>>
>>> (Backups are good; automated versioned backups are better.)
>>
>> I have setup "time machine" backups on two of my servers, using rsync to
>> a local external drive, but I have not figured out how to do it to a
>> Samba share. On the local external drive, using ext4 file system, hard
>> links make it very space efficient, but I don't think you can do that
>> with a Samba mounted remote drive. Any hints? Do you run the rsync on
>> the file server, so that you can do the hard links on the backup drive's
>> ext4 file system while the backup server sees its production client as
>> the remote Samba mount?
>>
>> And is there a way to use a cheap remote "storage box" that is only
>> accessible as a Samba NAS as the versioned storage medium with
>> similarly good storage efficiency?
>
>
> You can not backup using any type of file copy, like rsync, a Linux
> filesystem into samba, or a windows filesystem.
>
> The only way to do it is using archives like tar.
>
If I understand what you meant by that, I would agree.
SAMBA is not a suitable way to back anything up at all. Except at a
trivial level of data files

You need to use a linux file system and rsync either with rsyncd or
direct copy to an NFS system

--
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to
rule.
– H. L. Mencken, American journalist, 1880-1956

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: The Natural Philosop
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On 08/01/2025 12:52, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-01-08 10:54, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/01/2025 10:43, D wrote:
>>>> Cooling kills 10x the people than warming. That is how cooling is
>>>> worse than warming. As for lack of water, desalination exists and
>>>> works well. Desalination can be combined excellently, with solar
>>>> power to drive down cost.
>>>>
>>> It is suitable for intermittent sources, yes. Nuclear is even better.
>>
>> This is the truth! But I am curious if solar would be a good option in
>> say, southern spain to drive desalination, and in order to build the
>> plants quicker, due to the politicians doing their best to still stop
>> nuclear with the power of various regulations?
>
> You forget that it is the people who do not want nuclear. It is proven
> dangerous.
>
No, it is not the people who dont want nucler, it is the oil gas and
renewable companies who don't want nuclear, and who spend an enormous
amount of money on negative propaganda and buying politicians and
regulators, who tell you that the people don't want nuclear.

In fact they do. Because it is the cleanest, cheapest and proven
*safest* method of generating electricity.

--
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to
rule.
– H. L. Mencken, American journalist, 1880-1956

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: Chris Ahlstrom
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From: OFeem1987@teleworm.us (Chris Ahlstrom)
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The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On 08/01/2025 12:52, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-01-08 10:54, D wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 07/01/2025 10:43, D wrote:
>>>>> Cooling kills 10x the people than warming. That is how cooling is
>>>>> worse than warming. As for lack of water, desalination exists and
>>>>> works well. Desalination can be combined excellently, with solar
>>>>> power to drive down cost.
>>>>>
>>>> It is suitable for intermittent sources, yes. Nuclear is even better.
>>>
>>> This is the truth! But I am curious if solar would be a good option in
>>> say, southern spain to drive desalination, and in order to build the
>>> plants quicker, due to the politicians doing their best to still stop
>>> nuclear with the power of various regulations?
>>
>> You forget that it is the people who do not want nuclear. It is proven
>> dangerous.
>>
> No, it is not the people who dont want nucler, it is the oil gas and
> renewable companies who don't want nuclear, and who spend an enormous
> amount of money on negative propaganda and buying politicians and
> regulators, who tell you that the people don't want nuclear.

Well, we know that, at some point, oil and gas will become scarce and
expensive.

I'm not sure what's in the nuclear objection for "renewables", though.

> In fact they do. Because it is the cleanest, cheapest and proven
> *safest* method of generating electricity.

Indeed.

--
I would rather say that a desire to drive fast sports cars is what sets
man apart from the animals.

Subject: Re: Time machine backups
From: Lars Poulsen
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
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From: lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com (Lars Poulsen)
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On 2025-01-07, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>> Bought a 4TB external USB/NVME device for my workstation. Installed
>>> Samba and configured it to use the "fruit" module to offer up a Time
>>> Machine share for the Mac Studio. (Also using it with Timeshift on the
>>> workstation itself, but that part was easier.)
>>> (Backups are good; automated versioned backups are better.)

On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 02:49:11 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote in
<slrnvnrpt7.2oheu.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>:
>> I have setup "time machine" backups on two of my servers, using rsync to
>> a local external drive, but I have not figured out how to do it to a
>> Samba share. On the local external drive, using ext4 file system, hard
>> links make it very space efficient, but I don't think you can do that
>> with a Samba mounted remote drive. Any hints? Do you run the rsync on
>> the file server, so that you can do the hard links on the backup drive's
>> ext4 file system while the backup server sees its production client as
>> the remote Samba mount?
>>
>> And is there a way to use a cheap remote "storage box" that is only
>> accessible as a Samba NAS as the versioned storage medium with similarly
>> good storage efficiency?

On 2025-01-08, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
> I'm not doing anything on the backend except provide the
> Samba share. MacOS Time Machine has it's own format
> for storing versioned data, which is fairly opaque when
> looking at the files on the backend filesystem.

Yes, I know Time Machine.

> I'm also using Timeshift (not Time Machine) on my Linux
> workstation, which backs up directly to the ext4 filesystem
> on the external drive with rsync. I'm pretty sure that uses
> hard links to be space-efficient. (It would be even better
> and faster if it hard-linked directories, but that's not a
> BCP for Unix.)

Yes, that seems to be exactly what I did with a cronjob running rsync.
I like it, and would like to put the backup drive off-site once I get a
faster network connection (gigabit fiber) activated in a week or two.
But I don't know enough about how to set it up.

Subject: Re: Time machine backups
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On 2025-01-08, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Anyioe expecting to preserve an ext4 file system accurately on a samba
> mounted share needs their head examined.
> Use NFS.

I am not expecting to accurately have an exact ext4 system on a share.
Just keeps the data, but deduplicated. AFAIK, Hetzner does not allow NFS
access to their very cost-effective storage boxes. And while it is very
simple to run a Fedora instance on the datacenter, the virtual machines
there have limited storage, and you provision storage by samba-mounting
a storage box.

It is a great system, but has its limitations.

I wish I could figure out how to provision the same features in AWS, but
I find the learning curve to steep for my old brain.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: The Natural Philosop
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On 08/01/2025 14:02, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> No, it is not the people who dont want nucler, it is the oil gas and
>> renewable companies who don't want nuclear, and who spend an enormous
>> amount of money on negative propaganda and buying politicians and
>> regulators, who tell you that the people don't want nuclear.
> Well, we know that, at some point, oil and gas will become scarce and
> expensive.
>
> I'm not sure what's in the nuclear objection for "renewables", though.

If you have a nuclear grid there is no point in having any renewable
energy whatsoever. It simply adds cost complexity and unreliability for
no benefit whatsoever.

Renewable companies are only too aware of the fact that widespread
adoption of nuclear power means the end of wind and solar.

--
"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight
and understanding".

Marshall McLuhan

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: Chris Ahlstrom
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From: OFeem1987@teleworm.us (Chris Ahlstrom)
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The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On 08/01/2025 14:02, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> No, it is not the people who dont want nucler, it is the oil gas and
>>> renewable companies who don't want nuclear, and who spend an enormous
>>> amount of money on negative propaganda and buying politicians and
>>> regulators, who tell you that the people don't want nuclear.
>> Well, we know that, at some point, oil and gas will become scarce and
>> expensive.
>>
>> I'm not sure what's in the nuclear objection for "renewables", though.
>
> If you have a nuclear grid there is no point in having any renewable
> energy whatsoever. It simply adds cost complexity and unreliability for
> no benefit whatsoever.
>
> Renewable companies are only too aware of the fact that widespread
> adoption of nuclear power means the end of wind and solar.

None of that makes sense to me.

--
All the troubles you have will pass away very quickly.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 00:51:19 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> I bought a TI99 somewhere in there. Had potential but TI kinda
> screwed up in several dimensions. Users couldn't even get at the
> 16-bitter without ASM. The 9900 chip WAS kinda interesting with
> hardware support for multi-user/multi-tasking and in-RAM register
> cloning.

I worked on one project that used the TMS9900. It's advantage was, because
of TI's root, it had a rad-hard version.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: rbowman
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On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 12:00:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 08/01/2025 01:30, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 18:49:19 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> It has to be the right religion though A religion that simply takes
>>> all yiur wealth and prromises yuoi only hell if you get upset is not a
>>> keeper.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sja1UJM6Vgg
>
> Lovely bit of shit kikkin country music.
>
> I think I am a bit of a redneck, somewhere

Not country music by any definition despite Utah Phillips' presentation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Phillips

The song was written by Joe Hill, a Swedish immigrant. He was executed by
firing squad in Utah in 1915.

The IWW (Wobblies) had a hard time in the US. A lot of the opposition was
led by the trade unions. The Wobblies wanted one, bug, international
union; the trades wanted a place at the trough for their members. A few
had 'international' in their names but that was as far as it went.

In the long run, they screwed themselves. The non-organized workers didn't
care that the electricians secured a plum deal for themselves. While the
business unions and management did well together for a while, management
figured out the non-union workers in the 'right to work' states were
cheaper and those in Mexico, Madagascar, or China were cheaper still.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 11:24:36 +0100, D wrote:

> I think robots and automation will save the day. They don't even have to
> be automating/saving elderly care, they can automate/save menial office
> jobs, and those workers can then move into elderly care instead of
> fiddling around with meaningless powerpoints and excel spreadsheets all
> day.

I think I've mentioned Kurt Vonnegut's first novel, 'Player Piano'. You
should read it. He saw your shining future in the '50s.

Subject: TI-99/small computers (was Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1)
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On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 00:51:19 -0500
"186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:

> I bought a TI99 somewhere in there. Had potential but TI kinda
> screwed up in several dimensions. Users couldn't even get at the
> 16-bitter without ASM. The 9900 chip WAS kinda interesting with
> hardware support for multi-user/multi-tasking and in-RAM register
> cloning.

The TI-99 was an absolutely *mind-boggling* case of misdesign, likely
for cost-cutting reasons, but probably also a bone-headed attempt at
market segmentation and/or an artifact of TI's toxic corporate culture
(one of a *baffling* number of companies in the '70s - '80s that made a
habit of Thunderdoming their departments against each other, and then
being Very Surprised to find themselves bleeding out from a thousand
self-inflicted stab wounds.)

It's worth reading up on the details of the architecture; it's *so*
much worse than you'd guess. Best analogy I can make would be something
along the lines of "trying to drink bubble tea through a coffee-stirrer
that someone is periodically pinching shut," but even that doesn't
cover the part where the BASIC interpreter was itself written in an
interpreted language. Amazing the thing ran at all...

https://www.unige.ch/medecine/nouspikel/ti99/architec.htm

> In any case, it IS amazing how much solid biz was done on slow boxes
> with almost no memory. Good tight code and a few tricks ...

Yup. Knew a family back when who were carnival folk; they ran their
whole business off a Commodore 128 right up into the '00s.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: The Natural Philosop
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On 08/01/2025 16:32, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> On 08/01/2025 14:02, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> No, it is not the people who dont want nucler, it is the oil gas and
>>>> renewable companies who don't want nuclear, and who spend an enormous
>>>> amount of money on negative propaganda and buying politicians and
>>>> regulators, who tell you that the people don't want nuclear.
>>> Well, we know that, at some point, oil and gas will become scarce and
>>> expensive.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what's in the nuclear objection for "renewables", though.
>>
>> If you have a nuclear grid there is no point in having any renewable
>> energy whatsoever. It simply adds cost complexity and unreliability for
>> no benefit whatsoever.
>>
>> Renewable companies are only too aware of the fact that widespread
>> adoption of nuclear power means the end of wind and solar.
>
> None of that makes sense to me.
>

That is not my fault. I said it in as few syllables as I could, that
renewable energy intests are totally threatened by nuclear power, Is
that simple enough for you?

--
"What do you think about Gay Marriage?"
"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."

Subject: Re: Time machine backups
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Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> On 2025-01-08, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Anyioe expecting to preserve an ext4 file system accurately on a samba
>> mounted share needs their head examined.
>> Use NFS.
>
> I am not expecting to accurately have an exact ext4 system on a share.
> Just keeps the data, but deduplicated. AFAIK,

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Restic which stores the data in its own internal format and only
requires "basic file storage and basic filenames" support from the
underlying backing store.

Restic: https://restic.net/

Subject: Re: Time machine backups
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On Wed, 08 Jan 2025 18:25:29 +0000, Rich wrote:

> Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> wrote:
>> On 2025-01-08, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Anyioe expecting to preserve an ext4 file system accurately on a samba
>>> mounted share needs their head examined.
>>> Use NFS.
>>
>> I am not expecting to accurately have an exact ext4 system on a share.
>> Just keeps the data, but deduplicated. AFAIK,
>
> Don't try to directly 'rsync' any Linux filesystem to a samba share as
> a backup. Samba will not store everything needed to recover (you'll
> have your data, except for those files with names that are 'invalid' in
> the windows samba world) but none of the ownerships/permissions will be
> correct.
>
> If you must use samba as the backing store, then use something like
> Restic which stores the data in its own internal format and only
> requires "basic file storage and basic filenames" support from the
> underlying backing store.
>
> Restic: https://restic.net/

Or tar(1), with or without compression.

--
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills We Trust"

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On 1/7/25 18:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/01/2025 13:23, Pancho wrote:
>> On 1/7/25 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 07/01/2025 03:52, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>    Ain't gonna be MAGA
>>>>    forever (GOP thinks it has four years to coast)
>>>>    and soon enough the ultra-left will regain power.
>>> I don't think so.
>>> Ultra left can only thrive in an affluent society, but they have no
>>> idea how to create or maintain affluence.
>>>
>>> As poverty kicks in, people are more concerned over potatoes than
>>> pronouns.
>>>
>>
>> I don't understand that comment.
>>
> Id rather have a sack of potatoes than be called by my correct self
> identifying pronoun...
>
>> For "ultra left" substitute religion. Historical evidence suggests it
>> can survive and flourish in very poor societies. A combination of
>> authoritarian government and the ideology of a "moral" quality that
>> supersedes wordly possessions.
>>
> It has to be the right religion though
> A religion that simply takes all yiur wealth and prromises yuoi only
> hell if you get upset is not a keeper.
>

How do you explain Jihadist Islam?

Religion/ideology is like evolution, the selfish meme. It is a mistake
to presume it must be intrinsically good for adherents, as opposed to
just good at perpetuating itself, creating new adherents.

>
>> Listening to the UK radio last night, a  Labour politician was being
>> questioned on whether Ed Milliband’s "Green new deal" was achievable,
>> realistic. Her response was that it was Labour's most popular policy.
>> Her metric for success was that it delivered Labour/herself political
>> power, and she was probably right, it does.
>>
> She was of course simply lying.  Or else acknowledging that nothing her
> government has done is popular, and because it hasn't done anything
> green yet, they are not being lambasted by that.
>

I don't see how you know she was lying. I don't think these politicians
understand the issues. They just parrot some dogma they have read. This
isn't surprising given most politicians are lawyers or such like. They
don't really understand things, they just recite received wisdom.

You can't really blame them, you also see this deference to authority in
tech academics. They tell you some ivory tower bollocks, you point to
real life examples of why it is false, but they still stick to some
academic paper they can cite.

In practical terms, the important thing to a politician is that more
people vote for her when she says renewables.

> It was [probably the Boy Buiggering Communist's radio anyway,
>

I think it was LBC (Iain Dale). Yes, I'm ashamed I listen to that
bollocks, but I was just listening while driving to the supermarket.

Anyway, given your academic background, you should be more circumspect
about accusing other organisations of consisting of communist homosexuals.

>> I guess Germany is a little further down the "Green" path than the UK.
>> It will be interesting to see what happens in the upcoming elections.
>> I doubt we will see a significant correction.
>>
> Wait and see.
>

Indeed, but I just don't see a path to anything different.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: The Natural Philosop
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2025 18:52 UTC
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From: tnp@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
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Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On 08/01/2025 18:34, Pancho wrote:
>> It has to be the right religion though
>> A religion that simply takes all yiur wealth and prromises yuoi only
>> hell if you get upset is not a keeper.
>>
>
> How do you explain Jihadist Islam
>
Its similar in most respects to German jihadism,. Mein Kampf=jihad=my
struggle.
The operational parameters of the metaphysics are identical.
- a master race, struggling against a world full of oppressive other
races, especially jews - who it is perfectly moral to lie to, kill,
defraud, commit genocide, rape torture and and maim, because they *are
not really human*.

And apart from these things obliterating the subconscious shame you feel
at being 600 years behind the times, stupid as fuck and inbred to boot,
it gives you a feeling of power and purpose and a promise of [s]lots of
virgins in the after life, after you have run out of the ones on the
local council estate.

> Religion/ideology is like evolution, the selfish meme. It is a mistake
> to presume it must be intrinsically good for adherents, as opposed to
> just good at perpetuating itself, creating new adherents.

My point was that it wouldn't be very good at propagating itself if it
didn't do its adherents some good.

>
>>
>>> Listening to the UK radio last night, a  Labour politician was being
>>> questioned on whether Ed Milliband’s "Green new deal" was achievable,
>>> realistic. Her response was that it was Labour's most popular policy.
>>> Her metric for success was that it delivered Labour/herself political
>>> power, and she was probably right, it does.
>>>
>> She was of course simply lying.  Or else acknowledging that nothing
>> her government has done is popular, and because it hasn't done
>> anything green yet, they are not being lambasted by that.
>>
>
> I don't see how you know she was lying.
Its a dead cert with politicians, especially laboyr ones

>I don't think these politicians
> understand the issues. They just parrot some dogma they have read. This
> isn't surprising given most politicians are lawyers or such like. They
> don't really understand things, they just recite received wisdom.
>
I.e. they lie.

> You can't really blame them, you also see this deference to authority in
> tech academics. They tell you some ivory tower bollocks, you point to
> real life examples of why it is false, but they still stick to some
> academic paper they can cite.
>
> In practical terms, the important thing to a politician is that more
> people vote for her when she says renewables.
>
No, That is simply not true. Labour got in *despite* having a disastrous
energy policy. Because they were *not Tories*

The modus operandi of all government is first of all self legalising
protection rackets and then making mistake after mistake until the
actual answer is either bleeding obvious or accidentally hit upon by
sheer happenstance.

Generally Joe public and Hoi Polloi know the answer long before government.
In this case the public is thoroughly disenchanted with NetZeroBollox™
and GreenCrap™and just wants to be a bit better off.

And not be accosted by simpering nancy boys in frocks at the local pun
and told what pronouns they have to use.

>
>> It was [probably the Boy Buiggering Communist's radio anyway,
>>
>
> I think it was LBC (Iain Dale). Yes, I'm ashamed I listen to that
> bollocks, but I was just listening while driving to the supermarket.
>
Crikey, I have 64TB pen drive in my car with all of the Beatles, Jimmy
Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Rolling stones ....etc etc on it.

Mass media is for numpties

> Anyway, given your academic background, you should be more circumspect
> about accusing other organisations of consisting of communist homosexuals.
>
Lol! Touché!

--
Renewable energy: Expensive solutions that don't work to a problem that
doesn't exist instituted by self legalising protection rackets that
don't protect, masquerading as public servants who don't serve the public.

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On Wed, 08 Jan 2025 18:25:29 +0000, Rich wrote:
>> If you must use samba as the backing store, then use something like
>> Restic which stores the data in its own internal format and only
>> requires "basic file storage and basic filenames" support from the
>> underlying backing store.
>>
>> Restic: https://restic.net/

On 2025-01-08, Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote:
> Or tar(1), with or without compression.

I think restic has promise.

tar(1) does NOT allow me to have a complete backup for every snapshot
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Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On 08/01/2025 16:32, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>
>>> On 08/01/2025 14:02, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>> No, it is not the people who dont want nucler, it is the oil gas and
>>>>> renewable companies who don't want nuclear, and who spend an enormous
>>>>> amount of money on negative propaganda and buying politicians and
>>>>> regulators, who tell you that the people don't want nuclear.
>>>> Well, we know that, at some point, oil and gas will become scarce and
>>>> expensive.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what's in the nuclear objection for "renewables", though.
>>>
>>> If you have a nuclear grid there is no point in having any renewable
>>> energy whatsoever. It simply adds cost complexity and unreliability for
>>> no benefit whatsoever.
>>>
>>> Renewable companies are only too aware of the fact that widespread
>>> adoption of nuclear power means the end of wind and solar.
>>
>> None of that makes sense to me.
>
> That is not my fault. I said it in as few syllables as I could, that
> renewable energy intests are totally threatened by nuclear power, Is
> that simple enough for you?

No, it's too simple. Probably simplistic as well.

I don't see how widespread adoption of nukes means the end of wind and solar,
when those two coexist right now with oil/gas/coal generated power.

And it seems to be that the infrastructure for distributing electricity
is the same once it leaves the generating plant.

But obviously my thought on this is not well informed.

--
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Im Leibe dick, an Suden reich.
Wir haben ihn in das Grab gesteckt, Here lies a man with sundry flaws
Weil es uns dunkt er sei verreckt. And numerous Sins upon his head;
We buried him today because
As far as we can tell, he's dead.

-- PDQ Bach's epitaph, as requested by his cousin Betty
Sue Bach and written by the local doggeral catcher;
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