On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 03/01/2025 11:45, D wrote:
>> No I think it is just because someone pulled in comp.os.linux.advocacy.
>> Seems a lot of trolls reside there. I looked into it, found it way to
>> annoying, and stopped. But I got a reminder of why I stopped reading that
>> group.
>
> Yup. Ain't that the truth.
>
> Linux is good all by itself. Doesn't need advocacy.

True. Not these days. It has won. Even Microsoft themselves are building
their of ship of theseus linux with WSL. ;) I wonder when the day will
come when they remove that last traces of windows dna from windows? ;)

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, -hh wrote:

> On 1/3/25 6:32 AM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>
>>> On 2025-01-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>> https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct/
>>>>
>>>> What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
>>>> end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
>>>
>>> The problem seems to be that some a**holes NEED to be smacked with
>>> regulations before they will live up to basic civility. And then they
>>> complain about "woke tyranny".
>>>
>>
>> That might be true. It is also true that some people are severely and
>> unjustly punished for being conservative christians, pro-Trump, or just
>> plain conservative.
>
> These actions you're defending as 'unjust' were things like killing someone
> because they happened to be gay/black/different, right?

If I want to kill a homo, why shouldn't I be allowed to do it? I mean,
it's just common sense really, and it also is good for the race.

> There's extreme cases of assholitry that have no place in Society; the
> question is how to establish a fair, uniform and transparent standard that
> won't be abused by those who's personal biases make them prone to being an
> abuser (see religious leaders & pedophilia for YA example).
>
> -hh
>
>
>

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 03/01/2025 11:58, -hh wrote:
>> On 1/3/25 6:32 AM, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2025-01-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>> https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct/
>>>>>
>>>>> What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
>>>>> end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
>>>>
>>>> The problem seems to be that some a**holes NEED to be smacked with
>>>> regulations before they will live up to basic civility. And then they
>>>> complain about "woke tyranny".
>>>>
>>>
>>> That might be true. It is also true that some people are severely and
>>> unjustly punished for being conservative christians, pro-Trump, or just
>>> plain conservative.
>>
>> These actions you're defending as 'unjust' were things like killing someone
>> because they happened to be gay/black/different, right?
>>
>
> No.
> It means losing your career and livelihood because you said that women don't
> have a penis.
> Or because you said that Mohammed wasn't a very nice person, after all.
> Or losing an eye because of that.
> Or losing your career and livelihood because you failed to endorse wokery in
> every performance and every film play or radio drama that you were involved
> in.
> Or losing your career and livelihood because you failed to endorse 'man made
> climate change'.

Your patience is infinite!

>> There's extreme cases of assholitry that have no place in Society; the
>> question is how to establish a fair, uniform and transparent standard that
>> won't be abused by those who's personal biases make them prone to being an
>> abuser (see religious leaders & pedophilia for YA example).
>>
> Abolish woke.
>
> Make it perfectly legal to think anything and say anything that is not a
> direct incitement to public violence.
>
> Battle racism by repealing all laws that diifferentiate between ethnic
> groups
>
> Let society, not the Law, judge whether a man in a summer frock is really a
> woman or just a sick saddo.

This is the truth! If someone wants to be a racist or a holocaust denier,
go for it. I don't care, and I don't agree, but for the love of god, he
has the same rights as I do.

I feel disgusted by the creeds of wokeness that are stuffed down peoples
throats at big, international IT companies. However! They are greedy
enough not to bite the hand that feeds them, so I expect major big IT
corporations, to turn toward Trumpism now, and deny or conveniently forget
that they ever were woke.

I've heard that there have been slight shifts towards this stance within
Redhat the past couple of months.

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2025-01-03 12:16, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara,
>>>> is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
>>>> Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they
>>>> will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
>>>> especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and offers a
>>>> ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
>>>> effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets
>>>> in KDE actually work as they should.
>>>
>>> The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather
>>> have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
>>> brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
>>>
>>
>> I've been running XFCE for at least a decade and I for me it is a nice
>> sweet spot of a more comprehensive desktop environment that is also fairly
>> light on resources.
>>
>> I do not use the menu system, but only a keyboard launcher instead.
>
> I switched to XFCE when Gnome went into version 3. Not sure it is 3, but when
> they changed the paradigm and killed the menu.

If I would be young, and not have to use my laptop for business, I would
probably explore dwm or something similar. I like the concept. But since I
am not young(ish) and I do not have the time to fiddle around, the
batteries included philosophy of XFCE fits me perfectly at this stage of
my life.

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, chrisv wrote:

> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> D wrote:
>>>
>>> No I think it is just because someone pulled in comp.os.linux.advocacy.
>>> Seems a lot of trolls reside there. I looked into it, found it way to
>>> annoying, and stopped. But I got a reminder of why I stopped reading
>>> that group.
>
> That's rather ironic, coming from someone who thinks that it "sounded"
> like I admitted defeat, because I temporarily ignored someone who had
> just attacked me without basis.

But it was. I was not the one who did it, you did.

> How is defeat even possible, when I was so clearly in the right?

You provided the example. I was looking forward to an honest fight, and
you just gave up at the first bit of resistance.

>> Yup. Ain't that the truth.
>>
>> Linux is good all by itself. Doesn't need advocacy.
>
> About Linux, you are correct.
>
> Your response, if any, will be deleted, unread.

Again you admit defeat. This is so sad. =(

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On 03/01/2025 11:45, D wrote:

>> No I think it is just because someone pulled in comp.os.linux.advocacy.
>> Seems a lot of trolls reside there. I looked into it, found it way to
>> annoying, and stopped. But I got a reminder of why I stopped reading
>> that group.
>
>Yup. Ain't that the truth.
>
>Linux is good all by itself. Doesn't need advocacy.

Nonsense, if that were true more people would be utilizing it, they
cling to Winblows, even running unsupported versions FFS.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
>> Sea levels have already risen by 4 inches since 1993, and hard science has
>> found the primary energy imbalance reason why:  its anthropometric.
>
> Sea level rise has been 3mm/yr for the last 4000 years. Nothing has changed

Let me also add that the dutch have been able to handle it for several
100s of years, so there absolutely nothing to be worried about. It is
natural, and we can handle it perfectly.

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, -hh wrote:
>
>> These actions you're defending as 'unjust' were things like killing someone
>> because they happened to be gay/black/different, right?
>
>If I want to kill a homo, why shouldn't I be allowed to do it? I mean,
>it's just common sense really, and it also is good for the race.

You should be involuntarily committed to a residential psychiatric
facility.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> On 2025-01-03 07:11, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>
>>> On 2025-01-02 21:06, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>> On 2025-01-02 14:42, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara,
>>>>>> is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
>>>>>> Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they
>>>>>> will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
>>>>>> especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and offers
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
>>>>>> effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets
>>>>>> in KDE actually work as they should.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather
>>>>> have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
>>>>> brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
>>>>
>>>> GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
>>>> application will press the Windows key and then type the name of what
>>>> they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's how I do
>>>> it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree with their
>>>> design choice.
>>>
>>> What if you are new and don't know the name of the applications?
>>
>> As time goes on, *some* will learn.
>
> No, most will. I agree that most people have the memory of a fruit fly, but I
> imagine that if they installed Linux in the first place, they're probably
> brighter.

Relating this problem to my 73 year old father, the way he handled it was
to ask me. I showed him, and after that he was ok.

However!

What made it easy for him was that he used firefox for 90% of his
computing on windows before, so he pulls up the search windows and enters
f i r, and then presses enter.

Gimp took him longer to master though. I think firefox, thunar and gimp
are the only three programs he ever uses. The rest happens when he double
clicks on movies, images or mp3:s, so he does not need to open those
programs by themselves.

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, John Ames wrote:

> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 12:42:31 +0100
> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>> OpenAI are good at marketing. They will probably crash the second
>> their models do no longer improve.
>
> Sooner than that, possibly. They're absolutely *hemorrhaging* money,
> every iteration of the product takes longer and costs more to develop/

Aha! I'm not alone! Refreshing to know that. =)

> "train," they're bucking for the mother of all IP-infringement suits
> when the corporate media behemoths finally catch up with them (anyone
> gets "Sora" to produce a Disney character, and you might as well just

The only way out I can see, if the way of spotify, that is, let all media
organizations in on the profits. That will reduce them to a kind of middle
man, and will bolster the power and income of the media maffia even more.
Then they will drop their law suits, but OpenAI will be vastly less
valuable.

> head for the fallout shelter,) "hallucinations" are still essentially
> unsolvable given the way the thing works, and it still can't do *half*
> of what they keep promising it will Real Soon Now.

Hallucinations will probably have to be "fixed" by either hiring africans
to double check answers, sorry "fact check", and then store those so that
similar queries are redirected to those canned answers.

This will increase their cost even more, as well as reduce them to more of
a search engine. Actually, my biggest use of AI is as a more "smooth"
search engine for things where 100% corrects facts do not matter that
much, that is... entertainment reading, or subjects where I know the
basics, so any hallucination would stick out.

> Ed Zitron - https://www.wheresyoured.at/ - has done a lot of solid
> writing on this in the last year or two. If they didn't have a bunch of
> vulture capitalists constantly pumping the money firehose in hopes of
> selling it to CEOs on the prospect of being able to fire all their
> employees and replace them with ChatGPT, they'dve been dead and buried
> long ago.

I wonder how much it will pull down the stock market? The good thing here
is that they are not listed! So if it would crash pre-listing, that might
mitigate the ripple effects on stock markets.

I fear they will try to list it, to throw the lipstick painted pig onto
the public, as well as letting mgmt and developers cash out, and then wait
for the crash. =(

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 03/01/2025 16:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>
>>> On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
>>>> Sea levels have already risen by 4 inches since 1993, and hard science
>>>> has found the primary energy imbalance reason why:  its anthropometric.
>>>
>>> Sea level rise has been 3mm/yr for the last 4000 years. Nothing has
>>> changed
>>
>> This source disagrees:
>>
>> https://ocean.si.edu/through-time/ancient-seas/sea-level-rise
>>
>> Also, sea level is *not* the same all over the world. The article mentions
>> that
>> as well.
>>
>> It's an interesting read.
>>
> Well I will merely quote from the Wiki:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_sea_level
>
> "Sea level has changed over geologic time. As the graph shows, sea level
> today is very near the *lowest level ever attained* (the lowest level
> occurred at the Permian-Triassic boundary about 250 million years ago)."
>
> "Recently, it has become widely accepted that late Holocene, 3,000 calendar
> years ago to present, sea level was nearly stable prior to an acceleration of
> rate of rise that is variously dated between 1850 and 1900 AD."
>
> *Long before any CO2 excess was present*.

Shhh... don't question the religion of CO2 or the government might cancel
your pension!!

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:

> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 08:41:35 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> I had a similar experience a week or so ago. I was sitting in a
>> supermarket parking lot in my new QX60 when the daughter of the guy who
>> parked to the left of me decided to open her car door wide and smack my
>> vehicle.
>
> That's something I have to watch very carefully. I've got a 2 door
> hatchback and the doors are wide enough to allow a hypothetical person to
> get in the back seat. I folded the back seats forward the day I took
> delivery of the car so that's a moot point but sometimes to avoid contact
> I have to slither out through a partially open door. When they layout
> parking lots for maximum volume they ignore about 50% of the vehicles will
> be oversized pickups that really makes the situation worse.
>

You should be happy that you (most likely) have never tried to park in a
european garage located in the old parts of town. Bacteria have a hard
time fitting in those parking lots.

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:

> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 11:26:24 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 02/01/2025 20:04, rbowman wrote:
>>> What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
>>> end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
>>
>> Yes. Absolutely it does.
>>
>> Civilised behaviour is a culture of tolerance. Woke is a culture of
>> vicious intolerance towards anyone who challenges a narrow definition of
>> a modern Puritanism.
>>
>> Civilised behaviour doesn't get you fired. Civilised behaviour doesn't
>> get you blacklisted.
>>
>> Woke is part of the reason Trump will be president. People don't like
>> being told what to think. This isn't Putin's Russia.
>
> I understand your point but I've self-censored myself for a very long
> time. My unfiltered thoughts probably would get me fired or blacklisted.
>
> What does bother me about woke is, while I wouldn't refer to someone as a
> fat, black, lesbian asshole in most conversations, not the fat, black,
> lesbian asshole wants a pat on the head.
>
> I think some of it is épater le bourgeois but I'm from the wrong
> generation to be shocked by a pierced, rainbow-haired blob. I do regret
> that they have achieved any political power.
>
> I don't like musicals but I'm reminded of 'Cabaret' and what happened when
> the music stopped at the Kit Kat Klub.
>

Self-censorship is exactly what they want to achieve. That is the best way
to dismantle freedom.

As a counter to that, I've started to drop a few "negros" in conversations
here and there out in town, and I also started to wear my MAGA hat on the
streets of Stockholm.

Once a guy wanted to assault me for saying the word negro, uncountable
times, I've received the evil eye, but.... I think there is actually a
tiny shift where more and more people simply do not care to excite
themselves any longer if they hear the word negro.

Negro has also become a symbol word. When a group of technologists meet,
and if the chemistry seems to be right, someone might let a small negro
drop and everyone then watches the reaction. If no one cares, if there's
even knowing smiles, that's the signal that no self censorship is
necessary and open and honest conversation can then start.

I sent a christmas greeting on mastodon to the association of afro-swedes
consisting of the monkey song and video from Mowgli.

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> On 2025-01-03 11:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 03/01/2025 16:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>
>>>> On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
>>>>> Sea levels have already risen by 4 inches since 1993, and hard science
>>>>> has found the primary energy imbalance reason why:  its anthropometric.
>>>>
>>>> Sea level rise has been 3mm/yr for the last 4000 years. Nothing has
>>>> changed
>>>
>>> This source disagrees:
>>>
>>>      https://ocean.si.edu/through-time/ancient-seas/sea-level-rise
>>>
>>> Also, sea level is *not* the same all over the world. The article mentions
>>> that
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> It's an interesting read.
>>>
>> Well I will merely quote from the Wiki:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_sea_level
>>
>> "Sea level has changed over geologic time. As the graph shows, sea level
>> today is very near the *lowest level ever attained*  (the lowest level
>> occurred at the Permian-Triassic boundary about 250 million years ago)."
>>
>> "Recently, it has become widely accepted that late Holocene, 3,000 calendar
>> years ago to present, sea level was nearly stable prior to an acceleration
>> of rate of rise that is variously dated between 1850 and 1900 AD."
>>
>> *Long before any CO2 excess was present*.
>
> Regardless of the facts, we must throw money at the sky until all of it
> stops!

Not only that! You must also relinquish all power to the modern nobility,
the politicians. Only they may travel in the future, and only they may pay
no or very little taxes. That's why I call the movement eco-fascism, and
this is also why the extreme left and right are gaining in many european
countries, because the common man is sick and tired of gasoline prices and
electricity prices spiralling out of control due to eco-fascist climate
warriors who have no clue about technology or what it takes to live in the
modern world.

On 1/2/25 11:03 PM, Robert Riches wrote:
> On 2025-01-02, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 1/1/25 1:20 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 11:44:29 -0500, -hh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [quote]
>>>>> Unfortunately, the only way that this point actually becomes
>>>>> "reasonable" is by finally admitting that many/most Linux fanboys are
>>>>> chronic consummate cheapskates.
>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>
>>>> You omit that many/most commercial software packages are
>>>> EXTORTIONATE in that they capture users via proprietary
>>>> formats and subscription accounts. The only difference
>>>> between them and the gangsters of old are the machine
>>>> guns.
>>>>
>>>> I can pay $100 for a 1/2" power drill and I can expect it
>>>> to last 25-50 years or more. (I inherited a power drill
>>> >from my grandfather that is almost 70 years old. The
>>>> only problem is a loose connection in the power cable
>>>> that can be easily fixed.)
>>>>
>>>> That same $100 won't even buy a 1 month subscription
>>>> for a desktop software package.
>>>>
>>>> The situation is borderline criminality.
>>>>
>>>> Both software and information want to be free (as in
>>>> "freedom" and not "beer"). We are seeing this happen.
>>>> Commercial software on the desktop is an endangered species.
>>>>
>>>> I can understand the airline industry paying big bucks
>>>> for flight reservation software, or the nuclear power industry
>>>> paying big bucks for control software, but a desktop spreadsheet
>>>> or word processor is trivial and should cost nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Everything done on the desktop has been standardized decades
>>>> ago. There is no need for commercial software in this arena.
>>>
>>>
>>> Clearly you're just ranting nonsense,
>>
>> Which is par for the course for Feeb.
>>
>> For example, good luck finding a 1/2" power drill for sale new today for
>> just $100 which will last for even 10 years of use, let alone his
>> "25-50" claim: the days of bulletproof all metal body Craftsman or
>> Black & Decker power tools are long since gone.
>
> Out of stock but not too much higher in price:
>
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-5-5-Amp-Corded-1-2-in-Variable-Speed-Hole-Shooter-Magnum-Drill-Driver-0234-6/100180020
>
> I invested in one of those (or as close to that model as I can
> see from the page) in 1991 or 1992. A spare set of brushes has
> yet to be needed. It's strong enough to cause substantial wrist
> discomfort if held less tightly enough than some use cases
> deserve. The side handle is needed in some cases.
>
> Oh, I did have to replace the power cord once, but it was
> relatively inexpensive. It uses an interesting 3-conductor
> twist-lock connector.

Mostly, I'll rec the old metal-shell tools ...
Craftsman, Skil, that genre. Super tough,
what Tradesmen want and need. DO rec a
re-cording to add a polarized plug and
actual ground wire.

Some of the plastic tools are OK, and the
batteries make them useful in some ways.
But for bouncing around on a construction
site and such year after decade - 1960s
metal-shell still kicks ass.

STILL have and use my 60s metal-shell tools
quite a lot. Drills, circular saws and such.
Never disappoint. Shit was made hard-core
back then.

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> On 2025-01-03 19:06, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 02/01/2025 20:04, rbowman wrote:
>>>> What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
>>>> end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
>>>
>>> Yes. Absolutely it does.
>>>
>>> Civilised behaviour is a culture of tolerance. Woke is a culture of
>>> vicious intolerance towards anyone who challenges a narrow definition of a
>>> modern Puritanism.
>>>
>>> Civilised behaviour doesn't get you fired. Civilised behaviour doesn't get
>>> you blacklisted.
>>>
>>> Woke is part of the reason Trump will be president. People don't like
>>> being told what to think. This isn't Putin's Russia.
>>
>> This is the truth. What we are seeing is a big reaction against the mind
>> virus. In europe, a big part of the reaction is against immigration and
>> eco-fascism.
>
> You probably wouldn't have so much immigration in Europe if the people in
> charge in the United States weren't so determined to start wars everywhere.

No, the key factor is that in many countries in europe, immigration was
more or less free, and you could then as an immigrant live happily for
decades on the government tit.

If that was not the case, people would have fled to areas closer to home.
Now they cross half the world in order to enjoy the pleasures of swedens
welfare system, to give you just one example.

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 1/3/25 6:45 AM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/2/25 6:22 AM, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025, chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> D wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your other two recent posts were deleted, unread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This sounds to me like you admit defeat. (snipped, unread)
>>>>>
>>>>> Trolling 101.  Claim victory in the midst of defeat.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reality is that I'm so much better that after making my point I
>>>>> can ignore what dipshits say, with the confidence that no decent
>>>>> person would side with the dipshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your 4:01 post was deleted, unread, as will every post that you make
>>>>> in this thread, from now on.
>>>>
>>>> Ahh... I won! It was a good fight chris, but you met someone better and
>>>> lost. =)
>>>
>>>  Ah ... "The Wars" return ...... not unexpected alas ...
>>>  seems a 'Human Thing", the quest for elevated 'status'
>>>  forever and always. On This Episode of Game Of Thrones ...
>>>
>>>  Fortunately it's not 'war' over Linux Stuff again (yet).
>>
>> No I think it is just because someone pulled in comp.os.linux.advocacy.
>> Seems a lot of trolls reside there. I looked into it, found it way to
>> annoying, and stopped. But I got a reminder of why I stopped reading that
>> group.
>
>
> I also cut it out ... a lot of 'political' group trolls
> somehow found it. If you want pointlessly vicious, the
> political groups have it. They'll roast people for not
> believing the sky is green ... and then roast you for
> believing it is ...........
>
> (only seen a green sky a few times - big hail and/or
> tornadoes followed)

I see! I will remove the group from my follow up posts for now.

>>>  Hey, I can't program a TCP stack from memory or know
>>>  every detail of sockets at the ASM level (and no, I did
>>>  not have an extensive ed in every 'philosophy')- guess
>>>  that  makes me totally inferior and useless. Always
>>>  was a Jack Of All Trades, Master Of Few.  Whatever,
>>>  I ain't that proud, good for what I'm good for and
>>>  that's good enough  :-)
>

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:

> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:26:24 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
>>>> Sea levels have already risen by 4 inches since 1993, and hard science
>>>> has found the primary energy imbalance reason why:  its
>>>> anthropometric.
>>>
>>> Sea level rise has been 3mm/yr for the last 4000 years. Nothing has
>>> changed
>>
>> Let me also add that the dutch have been able to handle it for several
>> 100s of years, so there absolutely nothing to be worried about. It is
>> natural, and we can handle it perfectly.
>
> Neal Stephenson's novel 'Termination Shock' is complex like many of his
> books. The base theme is in any geoengineering attempt to mitigate climate
> change there will be winners and loser. What seems like a good idea for
> one area might cause the Indian monsoons to fail.
>
> A main character is the queen of Netherlands who tries to travel around
> incognito and one of the events in a North Sea tsunami when the
> Maeslantkering fails.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maeslantkering
>
> It doesn't get the best reviews. It's 700 pages with many threads. Some
> are offended by hints the Greens couldn't fix their eBike, let alone the
> climate.
>
> The reviews aren't as bad as those for his latest, 'Polostan'. It too is
> convoluted but what really set people off is it is the first in a series
> and ends abruptly. A lot of indie authors do that but each book is under
> $5 or generally free to read with KindleUnlimited, not $15 for the kindle
> version. I guess he's working on his retirement plan.

Stephenson used to be great in his youth (Snowcrash, Diamond age,
Cryptonomicon) but has gotten worse as he has gotten older. His books have
expanded needlessly and he has gotten more woke as well.

I think it is due to financial incentives.

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:

> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:38:10 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> You should be happy that you (most likely) have never tried to park in a
>> european garage located in the old parts of town. Bacteria have a hard
>> time fitting in those parking lots.
>
> Quebec City is as close to a European town as we get. We went there on our
> honeymoon in my Lincoln Continental.
>
> https://www.classic.com/veh/1962-lincoln-continental-sedan-2y82h406575-
> pgKPY1p/
>
> 5500 pounds at the curb, 430 ci engine to motivate it. We stayed at the
> Chateau Frontenac.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau_Frontenac
>
> When I saw the lay of the land I parked the Lincoln and rented a Dodge
> Colt, a rebranded Mitsubishi when Japanese cars were barely roadworthy. In
> the Lincoln I could cruise at 100 while my bride snoozed. In the TonkaToy
> I could get up to almost 25 before her panic attack set in but it handled
> a city with its roots in the 17th century.

Smart move! Fun fact... did you know the politicians of europe are trying
their best to make those little toy cars the only cars you will be allowed
to own! The way this "nirvana" goes through ever fewer and tighter parking
places and increased taxes.

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:

> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:43:35 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> As a counter to that, I've started to drop a few "negros" in
>> conversations here and there out in town, and I also started to wear my
>> MAGA hat on the streets of Stockholm.
>
> When I was growing up niggers preferred to be called Negroes. It's hard to
> keep track. Of course when I was growing up we also had polocks, wops,

That is what they are counting on! It is hard to keep track, you become
unsure, and start to self-censor, while the enemy spouts their poison
without any hesitation.

> kikes, and and other designations. My mother was politically correct
> before her time and would accuse my father of sounding like Hitler.
>
> The punchline is she thought any male Negro over the age of five was going
> to rape her. My father had no problems with niggers. They were just people
> until proven differently. I learned about hypocrisy and pretty words
> early.
>
> I don't have a MAGA hat. In the summer I have a NRA hat that I wear
> hiking; that's almost as good.

This is very beautiful! I should get an NRA hat as well to give myself an
option for when the MAGA hat is not quite right. ;)

On 1/4/25 4:24 AM, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 1/3/25 7:27 AM, -hh wrote:
>> On 1/3/25 6:52 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 03/01/2025 11:45, D wrote:
>>>> No I think it is just because someone pulled in
>>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy. Seems a lot of trolls reside there. I looked
>>>> into it, found it way to annoying, and stopped. But I got a reminder
>>>> of why I stopped reading that group.
>>>
>>> Yup. Ain't that the truth.
>>
>> Yup, its a product of crossposting.  Things change and USENET just
>> doesn't have the audience it did 30 years ago to have groups have
>> sufficient critical mass to sustain (on- or off-topic) dialogs/
>
>   USENET isn't what it was ... has kinda fallen off
>   the proverbial radar. IMHO this is kinda GOOD.

As much as the 'Eternal September' days of disruption were a nuisance,
the downside today is a manifestation of aging and decline: there's
probably zero current participants in these newsgroups who are under age
40 ... and the average age is probably closer to 65.

>   Shit ... when I first got into Usenet the AI guru
>   Minsky used to post to the AI groups - things were
>   respectable then.

I can recall chatting with John Godwin about the Internet Law named
after him (“As an online discussion continues, the probability of a
comparison to Hitler or to Nazis approaches one").

>>> Linux is good all by itself. Doesn't need advocacy.
>>
>> Its a tool like anything else, so use the right tool for the job.
>
>   Well ... 'tool', yes ... but ALSO a 'philosophy',
>   a way of looking at things. Lin is NOT Win.

Sure. This is just a simplifying conversational expediency, not a PhD
thesis.

>> Advocates in COLA have historically fight against the wisdom of
>> understanding that everything has its own strengths & weaknesses,
>> swimming against uses where other solutions are better.
>
>   Well, Win is MOSTLY 'weaknesses' ....
>
>> For example, take a new digital camera: wouldn't it be nice to not
>> have to wait a year to read its new RAW file format?  Most folk just
>> want pics, so they choose a platform where its supported on launch,
>> not to have to sit down to DIY write & test a 3rd party driver first.
>
>   Linux, and esp BSD Unix, are always a bit behind
>   the driver curve. However I've never found that to
>   be a major inconvenience. Much stuff just doesn't
>   change that quickly anymore.

Which circles back to "right tool for the job" for when one is buying
new stuff for whatever purposes; the example I used here was digital
camera gear (& a 2025 New Years resolution is to start to meddle with
higher video formats on my still-new-to-me 2022 Canon R6 Mk2).

>> Meantime, my New Year's Resolution is to tweak my Linux NAS; seems
>> that it needs a better RAM cache to not bottleneck on network, and
>> those parts are due to arrive this weekend. I'll have to look around
>> to see if I have some spare NVMEs to change up its disk cache while
>> I'm at it too.   If that doesn't resolve things, then its probably
>> time to look to some network gear to move some nodes from 1GbE to 10GbE.
>
>   Done lots of NAS over the years. Used packages
>   and kinda wrote my own too.
>
>   Yes, 'tweaks' can help - a LITTLE.
>
>   However, if you really try to benchmark it, the
>   tweaks don't REALLY add much but complication
>   and ops for failure.
>
>   So, from my long experience, stick close to
>   'vanilla' and you'll do OK and not SUFFER.

Precisely, because its intended to be a tool, not a toy. I did get the
RAM installed yesterday & its rebooted and recognized fine; will want to
run a couple of throughput performance tests.

Didn't have time to look for spare NVMes to swap out ... but that was
more a case that the current ones are gratuitous overkill (2 x 2TB) so
it would be nice to repurpose them - I've been looking at using them to
make a "zero cost" duplicate instance of my entire photo library to give
a test run on "DigiKam", a FOSS photo management tool which came
recommended.

>   Oft unrealized gem these days - OpenMediaVault.
>   It's become a very complete NAS system yet is
>   still kinda 'light' code-wise. DO note that
>   you can't just write randomly to its files
>   because the system won't index it - will not
>   think your direct writes exist. Gotta set up
>   like SMB shares in scripts or whatever that
>   ref it's 'approved' shares. THEN it'll work.

I still have a couple of old towers sitting around if I want to get
frustrated with a random homebrew project! <g> Which in semi-serious
form would be a decent use of the pile of small (<8TB) HDDs I've
accumulated, but it would probably add +$10/month on my electric bill.

-hh

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:

> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 02:06:17 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 04/01/2025 00:43, D wrote:
>>> Negro has also become a symbol word.
>>
>> You have to be really uneducated and thick not to know it simply means
>> 'black'.
>
> The best PC invention is latinx. It sounds like something you take when
> you haven't shit in three days. I don't even think the latinx people care
> for it. Indian is touchy too. Some are into 'Native American', some
> aren't.
>

Strangely enough, indian is ok in sweden. Native american is so unnatural
and the swedish options so cumbersome, that indian still works.

Also, let us not forget the Xiden. Biden can be very divisive, so I always
stick with Xiden, so as not to offend anyone!

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:

> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:49:55 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> I think there's a sabb with an even wider one, but cannot find it. I saw
>> it in a garage many decades ago.
>
> Oh, the 900. I've seen a few of those. Saabs always were a minority brand
> in the US. I liked the old ones, but there were some really strange beasts
> like the Sonnet II. I don't know why there was a Volvo on every block
> while Saabs were driven by middle-aged lesbians.
>

Yes, that's the one! You sure know your cars!

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:

> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:47:27 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> I am surprised that eco-fascists are not protesting against the big IT
>> corporations. But most likely that would not result in higher taxes and
>> more power to socialist politicians, so that is probably why they are
>> ignored.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_green_environmentalism
>
> They love their technology. They want their iPhones, VR goggles, AI
> friends, EVs and so forth to be powered by some unspecified miracle,
>

Ahh... the stupidity of modern eco-fascism never ceases to amaze!

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:

> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:33:42 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Hallucinations will probably have to be "fixed" by either hiring
>> africans to double check answers, sorry "fact check", and then store
>> those so that similar queries are redirected to those canned answers.
>
> https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/12/journal-editors-resign-to-protest-
> ai-use-high-fees-and-more/
>
> "In-house production has been reduced or outsourced, and in 2023 Elsevier
> began using AI during production without informing the board, resulting in
> many style and formatting errors, as well as reversing versions of papers
> that had already been accepted and formatted by the editors. “This was
> highly embarrassing for the journal and resolution took six months and was
> achieved only through the persistent efforts of the editors," the editors
> wrote. "AI processing continues to be used and regularly reformats
> submitted manuscripts to change meaning and formatting and require
> extensive author and editor oversight during proof stage.”
>
> "There is certainly cause for concern when it comes to using AI in the
> pursuit of science. For instance, earlier this year, we witnessed the
> viral sensation of several egregiously bad AI-generated figures published
> in a peer-reviewed article in Frontiers, a reputable scientific journal.
> Scientists on social media expressed equal parts shock and ridicule at the
> images, one of which featured a rat with grotesquely large and bizarre
> genitals. The paper has since been retracted, but the incident reinforces
> a growing concern that AI will make published scientific research less
> trustworthy, even as it increases productivity."
>
>
> Somehow a rat with big balls really upset them.
>

They need more africans as low paid editors.