On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 11:09:08 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Cheap gasoline and diesel paved the way for massive transport expansion
> and globalisation. Plus aircraft and the rise of suburban living.

I forget the two cities, perhaps London and Manchester, but in
Schumacher's 'Small is Beautiful' he points out the absurdity of two
lorries passing each other, one carrying biscuits from Manchester to
London, the other carrying biscuits from London to Manchester. The cities
were 100 miles apart.

In the US the absurdity involves cities 2000 miles apart, all made
possible by cheap fuel.

On 07/01/2025 19:06, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 11:09:08 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Cheap gasoline and diesel paved the way for massive transport expansion
>> and globalisation. Plus aircraft and the rise of suburban living.
>
> I forget the two cities, perhaps London and Manchester, but in
> Schumacher's 'Small is Beautiful' he points out the absurdity of two
> lorries passing each other, one carrying biscuits from Manchester to
> London, the other carrying biscuits from London to Manchester. The cities
> were 100 miles apart.
>
Pretty sure Manchester is further than that. (It is in fact 211 miles)
And London makes nothing except money these days.

> In the US the absurdity involves cities 2000 miles apart, all made
> possible by cheap fuel.

If fuel gets expensive localisation replaces globalisation

--
Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

On 2025-01-07, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> As a bit or irony newly manufactured car batteries were a hazardous
> materials load. 45,000 pounds of leaking dead batteries haphazardly piled
> on pallets were not considered hazardous. The distinction is very
> important if you're going from Denver to LA. hazmat loads cannot go
> through Eisenhower Tunnel so you get to take the scenic route over
> Loveland Pass.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loveland_Pass

Holy cow. That doesn't look like a fun place to haul 30,000 pounds
of bananas.

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey

On 2025-01-07, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 6 Jan 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> No amount of political will can solve the coming shortages, because
>> that's not where the will is being applied. It's all going toward
>
> This is incorrect. Shortages, and lack of political will, makes for
> excellent opportunities for political entrepreneurs.

Unfortunately, these people often do not have the common good in mind.

>> increasing our population beyond the ability of science to provide,
>> and ensuring that technological advances will never catch up with
>> ever-increasing demand. (Besides, shortages drive prices up, which
>> is good for The Economy.)
>
> This has been said since at least the 1800s, and has been equally wrong
> every single time. We have not even started to farm the seas and space.
> There are enormous areas available for farming on the planet, limitless
> energy, and NASA has proven that we're seeing global greening. Do not
> worry about increasing population.
>
> In fact, if anything, population is stagnating. So throw away the
> mainstream media and enjoy life. We've never had it better, and we'll
> have it better still! =)

I hope you're right. Most governments are quite alarmed at signs that
population growth is showing signs of slowing, and are doing their best
to push it back up. Canada's soon-to-be-ex-prime minister managed to
double immigration, to nearly 500,000 people per year (multiply by 10
to scale it to U.S. proportions). Some of these people were just dumped
onto the streets of Toronto with no place to go, having served their
purpose of getting the numbers up. Meanwhile, last I heard there were
still 50 communities in the country without drinking water. Priorities...

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey

Charlie Gibbs wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On 2025-01-07, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> As a bit or irony newly manufactured car batteries were a hazardous
>> materials load. 45,000 pounds of leaking dead batteries haphazardly piled
>> on pallets were not considered hazardous. The distinction is very
>> important if you're going from Denver to LA. hazmat loads cannot go
>> through Eisenhower Tunnel so you get to take the scenic route over
>> Loveland Pass.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loveland_Pass
>
> Holy cow. That doesn't look like a fun place to haul 30,000 pounds
> of bananas.

Here's another:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Creek_Pass

A humorous tune about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6LzWZYWpOU

C.W. McCall - Wolf Creek Pass

--
Yes, but every time I try to see things your way, I get a headache.

On 1/7/25 5:35 PM, chrisv wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Adios. You've been down this road before.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOAUsvVhgsU
>
> Here's an excellant documentary on climate change. An hour and 20
> minutes of quality information.

Where its so-called "quality" is that its already been debunked:

<https://skepticalscience.com/climate-the-movie-a-hot-mess-of-cold-myths.html>

> I'd bet money that Chris A won't watch it.

Why waste 80 minutes watching something when a 3 minute Google search
affords one the salient insight on its lack of veracity?

-hh

On 2025-01-07 19:30, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> We already know that the "global cooling," "global
>> warming" and finally "climate change" garbage is a scam meant to enrich
>> the people at the top even more. We are also aware that a lot of the
>> floodings that have happened recently, like in Spain, were manufactured
>> not natural. If you get rid of the structures holding the water out of
>> certain areas, it's obvious that you will end up with flooding.

If you are talking about levees along the Mississippi, its about
shifting where the flooding occurs. In the old days, when the river
rose, it spread out and flooded lots of lowlying areas. Then we built
levees, and when the river starts to rise, it rises A LOT in a narrower
channel, and on a bad day it overtops the levees and floods a city.

In California, we may remove some levees and flood some fields, which
will recharge some of the groundwater basins that the agri-corporations
have depleted.

Some benefit, some suffer either way.

On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> On 2025-01-07 13:44, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>
>>>
>>
>> Adios. You've been down this road before.
>
> You've just demonstrated the general idiocy of the woke: agree with whatever
> retarded thing I have to say or I will block you.
>
> Just once in your life, be a man.

Please Andrzej, note that Chris is an indoctrinated, 100% pure bred
socialist. He will never stray from the woke narrative. I've blocked him a
long time ago, and so should you for your peace of mind.

On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

>> What the fuck are you talking about? What structures? That's bullshit,
>> rightwing propaganda.
>
> No, Carlos, telling the world that we will all be under water unless we give
> lots of money to some cabal of elites is what's propaganda and complete
> bullshit.

That was an easy win for Andrzej. Carlos lost.

On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> On 2025-01-07 17:35, chrisv wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Adios. You've been down this road before.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOAUsvVhgsU
>>
>> Here's an excellant documentary on climate change. An hour and 20
>> minutes of quality information.
>>
>> I'd bet money that Chris A won't watch it.
>
> He won't because he doesn't believe in consuming information as much as
> accept whatever narrative the homosexuals on CNN and MSNBC feed him daily.
> There's a reason both networks get record low ratings now: even devout
> Democrats have noticed that most of what they say is a lie.

Thank you for the recommendation. This is added to the TV computer. Two
recommendations that are similar:

The Great Global Warming Swindle
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1020027/

and

Cool it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_It_(film)

Both available at a torrent site close to you, or on youtube with yt-dlp I
assume.

On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, -hh wrote:

> On 1/7/25 5:35 PM, chrisv wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Adios. You've been down this road before.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOAUsvVhgsU
>>
>> Here's an excellant documentary on climate change. An hour and 20
>> minutes of quality information.
>
> Where its so-called "quality" is that its already been debunked:
>
> <https://skepticalscience.com/climate-the-movie-a-hot-mess-of-cold-myths.html>
>
>
>> I'd bet money that Chris A won't watch it.
>
> Why waste 80 minutes watching something when a 3 minute Google search affords
> one the salient insight on its lack of veracity?
>
>
> -hh

Actually, that is the best proof you can find that the movie is on to
something. If it would be mainstream, no one would bother writing a line,
or if it would be made by the climate royalty, it would be hyped by CNN &
Co.

Thank you, now I will definitely watch it! =)

On Tue, 07 Jan 2025 19:46:59 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2025-01-07, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> As a bit or irony newly manufactured car batteries were a hazardous
>> materials load. 45,000 pounds of leaking dead batteries haphazardly
>> piled on pallets were not considered hazardous. The distinction is very
>> important if you're going from Denver to LA. hazmat loads cannot go
>> through Eisenhower Tunnel so you get to take the scenic route over
>> Loveland Pass.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loveland_Pass
>
> Holy cow. That doesn't look like a fun place to haul 30,000 pounds of
> bananas.

I've been over it in a normally aspirated, carbureted vehicle. You're not
breaking any land speed records over the summit. At least the diesels have
turbos. The fleet all had Jake brakes which help going down the other
side. Some of the trucks from the east didn't. There's a reason for those
escape ramps.

It's pretty, though. In fact I-70 from Cove Fort UT to Denver is all very
scenic. Scenic stops in east Colorado. The 108 miles from Salina UT to
Green River UT over the San Rafael Swell is the longest stretch on
interstate with no services. There are a couple of small rest areas but no
water. If you want to star gaze, that's the place to be. Traffic drops off
at night and there's no light pollution.

On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 16:36:00 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Here's another:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Creek_Pass

A few years ago I took a spring trip back to the Kentucky / Virginia area.
Short synopsis: it rained. I was going to do a little hiking on the AT but
aborted and headed back west. The plan to do a hike on the Continental
Divide trail also aborted because I hadn't brought my snowshoes. It
finally stopped raining when I got to southern Utah and was hotter than
hell in Canyonlands.

I've been over Wolf Creek with a big truck too. Luckily I wasn't hauling
chickens.

On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 19:29:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 07/01/2025 19:06, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 11:09:08 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> Cheap gasoline and diesel paved the way for massive transport
>>> expansion and globalisation. Plus aircraft and the rise of suburban
>>> living.
>>
>> I forget the two cities, perhaps London and Manchester, but in
>> Schumacher's 'Small is Beautiful' he points out the absurdity of two
>> lorries passing each other, one carrying biscuits from Manchester to
>> London, the other carrying biscuits from London to Manchester. The
>> cities were 100 miles apart.
>>
> Pretty sure Manchester is further than that. (It is in fact 211 miles)
> And London makes nothing except money these days.

/i read it a long time ago, do not have the book, and it doesn't appear to
be on the internet. Pick any two cities; the principle is the same.

A US example is loading carpet in LA and delivering it to Dalton GA, 2,169
miles. There are carpet mills in Dalton, so you load carpet and head back
to Las Vegas or LA. It all looked like carpet to me.

A more involved example is loading cotton in Mississippi and taking it to
Long Beach in California where it is shipped to Asia only to eventually
return as cheap flannel shirts. It's all based on cheap transportation.

On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 18:49:19 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> It has to be the right religion though A religion that simply takes all
> yiur wealth and prromises yuoi only hell if you get upset is not a
> keeper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sja1UJM6Vgg

On 2025-01-07, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
> Bought a 4TB external USB/NVME device for my workstation.
> Installed Samba and configured it to use the "fruit"
> module to offer up a Time Machine share for the
> Mac Studio. (Also using it with Timeshift on the
> workstation itself, but that part was easier.)
>
> (Backups are good; automated versioned backups are better.)

I have setup "time machine" backups on two of my servers, using rsync to
a local external drive, but I have not figured out how to do it to a
Samba share. On the local external drive, using ext4 file system, hard
links make it very space efficient, but I don't think you can do that
with a Samba mounted remote drive. Any hints? Do you run the rsync on
the file server, so that you can do the hard links on the backup drive's
ext4 file system while the backup server sees its production client as
the remote Samba mount?

And is there a way to use a cheap remote "storage box" that is only
accessible as a Samba NAS as the versioned storage medium with
similarly good storage efficiency?

On 1/7/25 8:07 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 16:36:00 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Here's another:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Creek_Pass
>
> A few years ago I took a spring trip back to the Kentucky / Virginia area.
> Short synopsis: it rained. I was going to do a little hiking on the AT but
> aborted and headed back west. The plan to do a hike on the Continental
> Divide trail also aborted because I hadn't brought my snowshoes. It
> finally stopped raining when I got to southern Utah and was hotter than
> hell in Canyonlands.
>
> I've been over Wolf Creek with a big truck too. Luckily I wasn't hauling
> chickens.

I remember Wolf Creek ... but hey, if all the chickens
flap at once it'll hold the truck in the air when you
go off the side, right ? :-)

On 1/7/25 2:47 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2025-01-07, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 6 Jan 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> No amount of political will can solve the coming shortages, because
>>> that's not where the will is being applied. It's all going toward
>>
>> This is incorrect. Shortages, and lack of political will, makes for
>> excellent opportunities for political entrepreneurs.
>
> Unfortunately, these people often do not have the common good in mind.
>
>>> increasing our population beyond the ability of science to provide,
>>> and ensuring that technological advances will never catch up with
>>> ever-increasing demand. (Besides, shortages drive prices up, which
>>> is good for The Economy.)
>>
>> This has been said since at least the 1800s, and has been equally wrong
>> every single time. We have not even started to farm the seas and space.
>> There are enormous areas available for farming on the planet, limitless
>> energy, and NASA has proven that we're seeing global greening. Do not
>> worry about increasing population.
>>
>> In fact, if anything, population is stagnating. So throw away the
>> mainstream media and enjoy life. We've never had it better, and we'll
>> have it better still! =)
>
> I hope you're right. Most governments are quite alarmed at signs that
> population growth is showing signs of slowing, and are doing their best
> to push it back up. Canada's soon-to-be-ex-prime minister managed to
> double immigration, to nearly 500,000 people per year (multiply by 10
> to scale it to U.S. proportions). Some of these people were just dumped
> onto the streets of Toronto with no place to go, having served their
> purpose of getting the numbers up. Meanwhile, last I heard there were
> still 50 communities in the country without drinking water. Priorities...

The first impulse is to blame the US border problem on
Joe/socialists trying to import lots of people who will
vote for them. However most 'Mexicans' are relatively
conservative Catholics and those from further south
have had very bad experiences with 'communists'. They
are not gonna be the next leftist slave class.

What they are is the fill-in for native-born Americans
who aren't borning many or any kiddies themselves.
The problem exists in the EU as well, and is worst in
Japan and Korea. Given the option, a LOT of women will
not have many or any children. This ages the overall
pop rather quickly. So, gotta start importing labor,
esp for the Shit Jobs. Downside, this keeps diluting
yer native culture and eventually You become Them.

The Taliban seem to have solved this - give women
no options but to be breeders. General wealth is
also not high enough, so kids become yer support
army.

In the USA it is poor politics to SAY you need to
import foreign labor (we've seen this attitude
in play just the last week). In other nations
the notion is more politically acceptable.

Some imagine robots doing the shit work ... but despite
the hype I don't see General Purpose robots any time
soon. Yer human pop will still keep declining until
even the robots have nothing to do but maintain the
other robots.

Read "R.U.R." (Capek 1920) for fun.

On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 02:49:11 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen
<lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> wrote in
<slrnvnrpt7.2oheu.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>:

> On 2025-01-07, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>> Bought a 4TB external USB/NVME device for my workstation. Installed
>> Samba and configured it to use the "fruit" module to offer up a Time
>> Machine share for the Mac Studio. (Also using it with Timeshift on the
>> workstation itself, but that part was easier.)
>>
>> (Backups are good; automated versioned backups are better.)
>
> I have setup "time machine" backups on two of my servers, using rsync to
> a local external drive, but I have not figured out how to do it to a
> Samba share. On the local external drive, using ext4 file system, hard
> links make it very space efficient, but I don't think you can do that
> with a Samba mounted remote drive. Any hints? Do you run the rsync on
> the file server, so that you can do the hard links on the backup drive's
> ext4 file system while the backup server sees its production client as
> the remote Samba mount?
>
> And is there a way to use a cheap remote "storage box" that is only
> accessible as a Samba NAS as the versioned storage medium with similarly
> good storage efficiency?

I'm not doing anything on the backend except provide the
Samba share. MacOS Time Machine has it's own format
for storing versioned data, which is fairly opaque when
looking at the files on the backend filesystem.

Here's the web page with the recipe I followed:

https://blog.jhnr.ch/2023/01/09/setup-apple-time-machine-network-drive-with-samba-on-ubuntu-22.04/

I _assume_ it's space efficient, with either incremental or
differential backups -- but I'm watching it carefully to make
sure that turns out to be the case.

Our Mac Studio is named "Mac Studio". On the server side, I see
in the share's directory a subdirectory, "Mac Studio.sparsebundle",
which contains various files and directories, including one
named "bands". That directory contains multiple files of length
536870912 bytes, which would seem to be the backup(s) themselves,
in a structure managed by MacOS.

I'm also using Timeshift (not Time Machine) on my Linux
workstation, which backs up directly to the ext4 filesystem
on the external drive with rsync. I'm pretty sure that uses
hard links to be space-efficient. (It would be even better
and faster if it hard-linked directories, but that's not a
BCP for Unix.)

--
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OS: Linux 6.12.8 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
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On 1/6/25 11:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2025-01-07, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>
>> On 1/6/25 1:35 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> _We_ are the locusts. See my .sig.
>>
>> Ummmmm ... you don't work in a secret govt bio-war
>> lab do you ?
>
> No, I just do a little basic math.
>
>> In any case, as I said to another here, we now have
>> eight billion people
>
> ... and counting ...
>
>> all wanting to live the life
>> of a Kardashian ... 1st-world plus. CAN'T happen,
>> maybe not even with an extra century of tech. This
>> causes all sorts of dissatisfaction and politics
>> and chaos. May largely kill ourselves off before
>> the 'resources' run out.
>>
>> It's a problem.
>>
>> Know how to knap a flint spearhead ?
>
> I could probably learn. I didn't get that ability
> bred out of me.

I watched a guy do it once ... archeology prof.
Doesn't LOOK too hard, but apparently there's
art and eye to striking Just Right. Pressure-
flaking makes nicer stuff, but there's great
danger in fracture.

Anyway, for 100 years or so there'll still be
lots of metal bits laying around you can put
a point on .....

On 1/6/25 11:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2025-01-07, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 6 Jan 2025 19:29:08 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> My first computer (TI994/A) had a whopping 16KB of RAM. I wonder if it
>>> would have run Crysis.
>>
>> 16 KB? Who could ever want more.
>
> My first job was in a small service bureau running a Univac 9300
> (their answer to the IBM 360/20). It had 16K of memory, and no
> disks or tapes - just cards. Yet we ran accounts receivables,
> general ledgers, payrolls, etc. for all sorts of companies that were
> too small to afford even a computer like ours (250K 1970 dollars).
>
> Later we added disks and expanded the memory to 32K. At first
> we didn't know what to do with all that space - although we soon
> figured it out.

I bought a TI99 somewhere in there. Had potential but TI
kinda screwed up in several dimensions. Users couldn't
even get at the 16-bitter without ASM. The 9900 chip
WAS kinda interesting with hardware support for
multi-user/multi-tasking and in-RAM register cloning.

In any case, it IS amazing how much solid biz was done
on slow boxes with almost no memory. Good tight code
and a few tricks ...

On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 07/01/2025 01:38, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> In any case, as I said to another here, we now have
>>   eight billion people all wanting to live the life
>>   of a Kardashian ... 1st-world plus. CAN'T happen,
>>   maybe not even with an extra century of tech. This
>>   causes all sorts of dissatisfaction and politics
>>   and chaos. May largely kill ourselves off before
>>   the 'resources' run out.
>>
>>   It's a problem.
>>
>>   Know how to knap a flint spearhead ?
>
> Just about. Might take a few months though
>
> A lot of basic technology isn't hard to implement once you have the right
> idea.
> Spinning weaving and sewing are easy enough as is knitting etc.
> Bows and arrows potters wheels and pole lathes are all easily built.
>
> Knowing that iron ore exists and can be smelted with charcoal and a bellows
> takes you past the Bronze age quickly.
>
> As does basic knowledge of fertilisers and animal husbandry.
>
>
> Of course there wont be enough to keep millennial snowflakes alive whose only
> skill is tapping a touchscreen.

I hear you are well prepared for the reign of Starmer! ;)

On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 07/01/2025 10:41, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 6 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/01/2025 10:50, D wrote:
>>>> unless they live off government handouts, in which case they are really
>>>> just a branch of government.
>>>
>>> No. Government is just another branch of the companies.
>>
>> Depends on the country. I guarantee you that the government calls the shots
>> in sweden. In the US, I'm not so sure, but then, the US is not a socialist
>> as sweden.
>
> Sure, but who owns the government?

Itself. For sure, in sweden, it certainly is not the companies. Looking at
the traditional cui bono, the government seems to be owned by members of
the socialist party who quickly manage to build small swedish fortunes
utilizing their government power.

In africa on the other hand, it would seem the answer is either china or
russia.

Greenland will soon be owned by Trump.

But the question is... who owns Trump?

On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 07/01/2025 10:43, D wrote:
>> Cooling kills 10x the people than warming. That is how cooling is worse
>> than warming. As for lack of water, desalination exists and works well.
>> Desalination can be combined excellently, with solar power to drive down
>> cost.
>>
> It is suitable for intermittent sources, yes. Nuclear is even better.

This is the truth! But I am curious if solar would be a good option in
say, southern spain to drive desalination, and in order to build the
plants quicker, due to the politicians doing their best to still stop
nuclear with the power of various regulations?

>> It is being used with great success on the swedish island of Gotland, to
>> mitigate water shortage.
>
> I've been there. Strange place.
> Always reminded me of Andreas Brevik...

You mean Anders Breivik, of socialist killing fame? How come?

> As with many technological revolutions, it all happens as a result of some
> technology becoming so absurdly cheap you use it wherever you can.
>
> Cheap gasoline and diesel paved the way for massive transport expansion and
> globalisation. Plus aircraft and the rise of suburban living.
>
> The transistor paved the way for digital everything, up to and including
> chips the size of a thumbnail that do more than an IBM mainframe could do in
> the 1950s. That you can fit in a washing machine.
>
> Massively cheap electricity and free heat from reactors will solve the energy
> crisis and open up huge new possibilities in energy intensive industrial
> processes.
>
> Bring it on.
>
>
>

On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2025-01-07, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 6 Jan 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> No amount of political will can solve the coming shortages, because
>>> that's not where the will is being applied. It's all going toward
>>
>> This is incorrect. Shortages, and lack of political will, makes for
>> excellent opportunities for political entrepreneurs.
>
> Unfortunately, these people often do not have the common good in mind.

This is the truth!

>>> increasing our population beyond the ability of science to provide,
>>> and ensuring that technological advances will never catch up with
>>> ever-increasing demand. (Besides, shortages drive prices up, which
>>> is good for The Economy.)
>>
>> This has been said since at least the 1800s, and has been equally wrong
>> every single time. We have not even started to farm the seas and space.
>> There are enormous areas available for farming on the planet, limitless
>> energy, and NASA has proven that we're seeing global greening. Do not
>> worry about increasing population.
>>
>> In fact, if anything, population is stagnating. So throw away the
>> mainstream media and enjoy life. We've never had it better, and we'll
>> have it better still! =)
>
> I hope you're right. Most governments are quite alarmed at signs that
> population growth is showing signs of slowing, and are doing their best
> to push it back up. Canada's soon-to-be-ex-prime minister managed to
> double immigration, to nearly 500,000 people per year (multiply by 10
> to scale it to U.S. proportions). Some of these people were just dumped
> onto the streets of Toronto with no place to go, having served their
> purpose of getting the numbers up. Meanwhile, last I heard there were
> still 50 communities in the country without drinking water. Priorities...

Ah... they copied the swedish method. It is not good. Sweden is the rape
capital of europe, as well as quickly becoming the leader in shootings and
public bombings.

I did see on the public mainstream news however, that the trend for
shootings is down in 2024.

The question now is... is that just the combatants being a bit tired of
the war on the streets, catching a break, or is it a trend?

If a trend, the answer might be to build out the mother of all
surveillanec states, like sweden has just done.

We'll get another piece of the puzzle in 2026!