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* Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?186282@ud0s4.net
+* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?The Natural Philosopher
|+* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?D
||+* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?Rich
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|||     | `* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?Charlie Gibbs
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|| ||  +- Joy of Hydrogen (Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?)Lars Poulsen
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|+* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?Carlos E.R.
|`* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?Carlos E.R.
`- Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?Robert Riches

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Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: rbowman
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2024 20:02 UTC
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From: bowman@montana.com (rbowman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
Date: 29 Dec 2024 20:02:21 GMT
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On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 03:22:34 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> The current Most Annoying is what those who built Gobekli Tepi had in
> mind. They added lots of symbols with a likely 'religious' meaning -
> but forgot to include any DETAILS. Likely assumed everybody would
> "just know" 12,000 years later.

Certainly. There is a Runic inscription that transliterates to ALU. It
shows up in several places but it isn't clear what it means. It's not like
the 'Haldan was here' graffiti in Istanbul or the monuments. The valknut
is another common symbol that seems to be associated with Wotan but nobody
knows what it even was called.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: rbowman
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Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 11:55:34 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 29/12/2024 08:22, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> The current Most Annoying is what those who built
>>   Gobekli Tepi had in mind. They added lots of symbols with a likely
>>   'religious' meaning - but forgot to include any DETAILS. Likely
>>   assumed everybody would "just know" 12,000 years later.
>
> I wonder what on earth people in 12000 years time will make of Debian
> release names.
> "Named after household gods" ?

Bookworm? Bullseye? Not as bad as Ubuntu's Ruptured Ringtail system or
Android's Ice Cream Sandwich.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: rbowman
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Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:18:40 +0100, D wrote:

> It always does. I've long since learned to ignore any articles of the
> form "science say you'll die if you eat x" or "science says you'll live
> if you eat y". I try to focus on the quality of life instead of the
> quantity.

Follow the money. The seed oil industry is mobilizing against RFK Jr.
Gotta protect the cash flow.

I switched to olive oil long ago but it didn't have anything to do with
'science'. When I opened a bottle of the heart friendly canola oil it
smelled like the can of boiled linseed oil I use on tool handles. "This
can't be good."

Even 'canola' is a misdirection; it sells better than saying rapeseed.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: rbowman
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Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:19:27 +0100, D wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 12:33:48 +0100, D wrote:
>>
>>> Psalm 144:1 - “Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teaches my
>>> hands
>>> to war, and my fingers to fight.”
>>
>> Well, that's close. Then there is the translation of a psalm that may
>> not be authorized.
>>
>> "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will
>> fear no evil: for I am the meanest motherfucker in the valley"
>>
>> I'm never sure of the numbers. Catholics and Protestants count
>> differently.
>
> Very profound! Which version would that be? ;)

USMC New Revised.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On 12/29/24 3:02 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 03:22:34 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> The current Most Annoying is what those who built Gobekli Tepi had in
>> mind. They added lots of symbols with a likely 'religious' meaning -
>> but forgot to include any DETAILS. Likely assumed everybody would
>> "just know" 12,000 years later.
>
> Certainly. There is a Runic inscription that transliterates to ALU. It
> shows up in several places but it isn't clear what it means. It's not like
> the 'Haldan was here' graffiti in Istanbul or the monuments. The valknut
> is another common symbol that seems to be associated with Wotan but nobody
> knows what it even was called.

True Believers ... they just assume they are 101% RIGHT
and thus every detail and aspect of their theology is
just SURE to last until eternity.

As for the Norse religion ... a big big problem is that
the writing-system during its beginning period was just
fer-shit. All we "know" is in the form of "as told by,
as told to, as told by ....."

Might be ten percent of the original info remaining
uncorrupted.

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On 12/29/24 6:52 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 29/12/2024 06:58, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> IMHO, like with Chinese theology, if you weren't raised,
>>    saturated, in it then you're never REALLY gonna 'get it'.
>>    Religions and cultures are usually tightly-entwined.
>
> Odd. My experience is that looking at religions from the outside, I know
> far more about them than their practitioners and believers  do.

Might seem so ... but don't get cocky.

> I think the expereince of WW2 left my parents generation a bit too grown
> up for it all.

Well, if they were into the all-powerful/all-good god
thing, then yea. If they still made offerings to Woden
then not so much :-)

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On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 29/12/2024 07:24, rbowman wrote:
>> The interest is necessary for the survival of humans. The Gods know the
>> Christians tried to stamp it out by saying it should only be used for
>> procreation and you weren't supposed to have fun.
>
> Catholic and Islamic girls are absolutely the hottest.

Islamic? Don't they walk around in tents all the time? ;)

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On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 29/12/2024 10:53, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 28/12/2024 11:08, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/12/2024 23:12, D wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23/12/2024 21:14, D wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have a vague memory of reading somewhere that remains of paganism
>>>>>>>> were alive until the 1700s, but cannot find anything through a quick
>>>>>>>> google. My friendly neighbourhood AI insist on official death in the
>>>>>>>> 12:th century.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a subject of heated debate as modern Wiccan/Pagans like to
>>>>>>> feel they have an unbroken tradition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But of course people probably learned to keep their mouths shit and
>>>>>>> rub themselves with witches ointment in private...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not believe in any unbroken tradition except among indians,
>>>>>> esquimaux or some siberian indians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do believe that it is not impossible that remains existed up until
>>>>>> the 17th or perhaps even 18th century, although those remains probably
>>>>>> were _very_ different from the original.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I am not going to argue: merely to say that modern Wicca started with
>>>>> Gardner who claimed to have been initiated by IIRC a Scottish witch in
>>>>> the practices of the 'old religion' .
>>>>>
>>>>> And started the modern following...
>>>>
>>>> I'm not convinced that Gardnerian wicca represents an unbroken tradition.
>>>> But... who knows? ;) I've heard that this can give rise to bitter fights
>>>> among wiccans.
>>>
>>> Oh yes. And the Cermoinial Magickians. And and and...
>>>
>>> More in fighting in Wicca than the average private school girls toilets...
>>> Or the average religious sect. The exclusive Plymouth brethren simply will
>>> not talk to the ordinary Plymouth brethren etc. etc.
>>
>> How come you are so wise on the ways of the occult? Has it always been an
>> interest of yours?
>
> Oh yes. After I discarded rational materialism I went looking at all the
> other 'models of reality'.
>
> Religions , cults, conspiracy theories and the like.
>
> Some grains in there that are interesting, but mostly dross.
>
> Numerology is interesting. The *quality* of numbers, not their quantity.
>
> In the classic Jewish system, it all starts with nothing (0), and then there
> is something (1)
> Adding a second dimension gives the idea of distance (2) , and cubic space is
> (3), whereas time is (4).
>
> All done with 'emanations'. Broadly speaking, emergent properties...
>
> The Jewish Kabbalistic system is actually the sort of mental maps that became
> science.

Yes, many mathematicians seem to find meaning in their numbers and are
naturally drawn to some kind of idealism.

> It was all dredged up and reinvented in the 1930s by Crowley and associates.

This is the truth! The era of eclecticism and spiritual conmen. ;) I read
a biography of Austin Osman Spare and he labeled Crowly & Co as "bored,
dandys in whorehouses" or something like that, describing their sexual
magic.

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On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 29/12/2024 11:02, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 28/12/2024 11:17, D wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Its a question of the least worst remedies. Everything has a side effect.
>>> I tried beta blockers but felt like a zombie.
>>
>> Sometimes I get the feeling that doctors are still very close to medieval
>> alchemists and have no clue what's going on. I have a very mild, but
>> annoying skin desease that came from nowhere. Since it is very mild, and
>> only flares up about once a month I never bothered to do anything about it.
>> But I had some extra time and went to a doctor, he called in 2 others
>> doctors, and they were looking at it for 20 minutes discussing, and in the
>> end admitted they had no idea what it is and gave me some creams.
>>
> I had the same. It turned out that I had been using a lot of bleach to clean
> my house after I got my ex out of it. and it affected my skin.

It is very complicated. I try to think about what I have done differently
the past 5 years or so, in order for that stuff to start, and I have no
idea. It feels as if it could be a combination of many, many small things.
Stress, age, dietary changes, maybe an infection or two. I have no idea.

>> The creams gave me 2 small permanent scars, that otherwise would have
>> disappeared (thank you Mr. Doctor!). They told me to come back and they
>> would look some more. ;)
>>
>> So I wonder if I should do it, or if they will manage to make it worse the
>> second time as well? On the other hand, I am curious about what it is, and
>> it would be nice to know.
>>
> If it doesn't kill you no one has studied it.

This is the truth! If I was a doctor I would prioritize according to how
many die and how much profit there is in it. I imagine that big pharma
perhaps might reverse the order. ;)

> Medicine is tampering with a massively complex dynamic system, and only by
> trial and error does it become appernet what works and what does not.

I am very fascinated by it. It makes the complexity of IT systems feel
like a childrens toy. If my parents would have been doctors I always
thought that there would have been a big change that I would have ended up
as a doctor as well. But that's what you get for having a social scientist
as father... you end up in IT. ;)

>>> Cancer is an utter bitch. I am on my second now, having fully survived the
>>
>> This is the truth!
>>
>>> first,  but it is ultimately incurable, just very slow developing, so its
>>> likely something else will kill me first.
>>
>> My grandmother had some form of slow acting blood cancer I think. In the
>> end I think she died of old age at 95.
>>
> Yep. That's the one. Had it at least ten years with no real effect.

Good to hear that it isn't anything worse! =)

>>>
>>> The cancer was never present in the bowel to any high degree, just
>>> mounting back pain and lymph node lumps a few weeks before the end.
>>
>> Horrible! =(
>>
>>> Some cancers are easy.. Some are harder and some are impossible.
>>> GPs are not equipped for this. My GP threw me straight at oncology to
>>> check out something suspicious. She is rather conscientious.
>>
>> My mothers doctor told me that cancer is not one disease, it's 100s of
>> different ones and apparently that is why it is so difficult to cure it.
>> Research focuses on the most common ones, and I imagine there is very
>> little money in the least common ones.
>
> All it really is, is abnormal genetics taking hold. A mutation appears,
> survives and then prospers.
>
> It is pure luck of the draw, mostly.
>
> And its hard to call e.g. heart disease a disease, since there is no active
> agency causing it.
>
> It's an effect of genetics and lifestyle choices and a huge slice of luck.

I read that the founder of spotify has started a health care company
called Neko. The idea is that you step into a techno-shower-cabinet that
picks up 100s of measurements from the most common such as weight and
blook pressure, to extremely occult ones. And the idea is that a computer
will then analyze it and find correlations to try and catch most desease
early.

A doctor criticized it for being unreliable, and saying that you'll always
get some kind of alarm or trigger, and that having loads of these cabinets
will overflow the healthcare system by anxious millionaires and
billionaires for what in the end turned out to be nothing.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:26:09 +0100, D wrote:
>
>
>> They seem to be very set in their ways. No chance for diplomacy?
>
> Baseball bat. Conventional wisdom is a porcupine is the only animal an
> unarmed man in the wilderness can kill and eat. Hit them in the nose.
>
> Apropos there is a trail I frequently walk which has a shortcut that I
> don't think I've ever used. Yesterday I wanted to get my miles for the
> year up and took it for a lap and a half. One of the informational signs
> is about porcupine damage pointing out a couple of trees with dead tops.
>
> Part of the trail runs along the river and I used to see beaver damage,
> and I've seen it on other riparian trails but there is nothing recent. I
> wonder if Fish & Game has been waging a quiet war on beavers?

Beavers are cute too, but they have no concept of respect for others
private property!

I once met an otter in my local little fishing lake. He scared me half to
death (it was late and I just saw a hueg black thing crawling out of the
lake a few meters from me. Very unexpected. I suspect he was equally
scared, not expecting a human to be there at that hour.

In eastern europe I also met an otter once, in daylight. I think he was
hungry and was swimming toward a small island with lots of birds (and
eggs) for a snack.

But that otter is very naughty. Once at night, he swam and chewed through
my keep nets that were full of fish I was planning on smoking. I woke up
and found nothing but holes in the net. After that, I purchased a keep net
out of metal instead, for the moment, I've won!

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: D
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On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:20:42 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> That was high fashion for a time! There were some swedish authors as
>> well who played that game, traving the swede back to ancient greek
>> times. No one likes to write about tracing all the way back to africa
>> though.
>
> When you try to unravel the histories you realize there was a lot of
> cribbing going on with pure fiction to fill in the blanks. Then there are
> the dead ends like the assumption Jordanes copied Cassiodorus although
> there are no texts by Cassiodorus. According to him the Goths took a shot
> at Troy after the Trojan Wars.
>
> The twist is he might have been right about the Geats if you look at
> modern DNA patterns. The thought is I-M253 arose in Scandinavia and spread
> out from there. Did they becomes Goths?
>
> It's hard to separate the fly shit from the pepper.
>
> Funny thing about tracing genealogies back to Africa. The Dark Continent
> doesn't get much love outside of the Marvel universe. Been to any good
> African restaurants lately?

This is the truth! In Stockholm there was one Ethiopian restaurant. I went
there once, and it was ok, but nothing spectacular. This must have been
about 20 years ago or so. Then it closed, and a new one has opened close
to my father, but it never seems to be full.

If I remember correctly it kind of tasted like very spicy indian food with
weird flat bread that I didn't like.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: D
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On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:14:52 +0100, D wrote:
>
>
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 17:08:28 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Pancreatic cancer is really nasty. We've lost a couple of friends
>>>> that way. It presents no symptoms until you're already toast. The few
>>>> cases I've heard of where people survived were due to a surgeon being
>>>> in the area for something else and spotting it.
>>>
>>> I talked to my neighbor and he said he was ready to retire and do some
>>> serious fishing. It was about two months after retirement and he was
>>> dead.
>>> I talked to his son and they had managed to get in a last fishing trip.
>>> He'd started chemo but it did little good if not killing him faster.
>>
>> Was he very career oriented? I have a theory that many who are overly
>> career oriented and place their full identity and value in their job and
>> career, cannot handle forced retirement. When deprived of their jobs and
>> careers, they just whither and die.
>
> Not that I am aware of. I was never sure exactly what he did but it was
> blue collar. Most blue collar workers see retirement as the carrot at the
> end of the tunnel even if it doesn't turn out as sweet as anticipated. My
> father was going to retire when I graduated college and also looked
> forward to a lot of fishing and hunting. He died in January of my senior
> year.

Very sad, I'm sorry to hear it. =( Yes, many blue collar people I imagine
see work as work, and would be happy living retired. I think that blue
collar lifestyle choices might sometimes cut their lifes a bit shorter
than normal.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:18:40 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> It always does. I've long since learned to ignore any articles of the
>> form "science say you'll die if you eat x" or "science says you'll live
>> if you eat y". I try to focus on the quality of life instead of the
>> quantity.
>
> Follow the money. The seed oil industry is mobilizing against RFK Jr.
> Gotta protect the cash flow.
>
> I switched to olive oil long ago but it didn't have anything to do with
> 'science'. When I opened a bottle of the heart friendly canola oil it
> smelled like the can of boiled linseed oil I use on tool handles. "This
> can't be good."
>
> Even 'canola' is a misdirection; it sells better than saying rapeseed.
>

I use either regular butter for cooking (and on my bread), or olive oil. I
like the taste of high quality olive oil.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: The Natural Philosop
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On 30/12/2024 11:38, D wrote:
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>
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 29/12/2024 07:24, rbowman wrote:
>>> The interest is necessary for the survival of humans. The Gods know the
>>> Christians tried to stamp it out by saying it should only be used for
>>> procreation and you weren't supposed to have fun.
>>
>> Catholic and Islamic girls are absolutely the hottest.
>
> Islamic? Don't they walk around in tents all the time? ;)

Ah, but when they take the tents off...:-)

--
It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
Mark Twain

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On 30/12/2024 11:41, D wrote:
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>> It was all dredged up and reinvented in the 1930s by Crowley and
>> associates.
>
> This is the truth! The era of eclecticism and spiritual conmen. 😉 I
> read a biography of Austin Osman Spare and he labeled Crowly & Co as
> "bored, dandys in whorehouses" or something like that, describing their
> sexual magic.

Well that is probably as apt as anything else :=)

Today we have crystal therapy, aroma therapy, lots of massage...one
yearns for the days of a snort of charlie and a damn good shag...

--
It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
Mark Twain

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On 30/12/2024 11:51, D wrote:
> But that's what you get for having a social scientist as father... you
> end up in IT. 😉

Either that or in therapy.

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"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: The Natural Philosop
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On 30/12/2024 12:07, D wrote:
> This is the truth! In Stockholm there was one Ethiopian restaurant. I
> went there once, and it was ok, but nothing spectacular. This must have
> been about 20 years ago or so. Then it closed, and a new one has opened
> close to my father, but it never seems to be full.
>
> If I remember correctly it kind of tasted like very spicy indian food
> with weird flat bread that I didn't like.

In Africa the staple is 'mealy pap' - maize porridge. Prolly what the
yanks call 'grits'.
That and some roast meat or curried meat is a find dish.

Africa has - or had - plenty of meat. And fruit. But not much beyond
millet for starch and they sensibly avoid vegetables.
Maize is an imported crop. As are most vegetables.
Ergo there is no 'traditional african cooking' per se.
Just an ox on a bonfire.

--
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"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: rbowman
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On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 13:15:01 +0100, D wrote:

> I use either regular butter for cooking (and on my bread), or olive oil.
> I like the taste of high quality olive oil.

Perhaps it's the diminished senses from aging but I've never figured out
those olive oil tasting deals. I recently saw a comparison of the Kirkland
types and the one I get is one of the better options but I settled on it
by chance.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 13:07:00 +0100, D wrote:

> This is the truth! In Stockholm there was one Ethiopian restaurant. I
> went there once, and it was ok, but nothing spectacular. This must have
> been about 20 years ago or so. Then it closed, and a new one has opened
> close to my father, but it never seems to be full.

There was one African restaurant in Boston. I think it might have been
Ethiopian but I can't remember or what I ate. I didn't go back. It didn't
last long and that's a city that loves its ethnic food.

iirc the Masai shoot their cattle with hollow arrows to gather the blood
and then prepare a delicacy with ashes and cow urine. I don't think it
will catch on. Like the American Indians when they move to town and switch
to a carbohydrate based diet it does them no good compared to blood, milk,
butter, and the odd tuber they evolved to eat.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On 30/12/2024 20:21, rbowman wrote:
> Like the American Indians when they move to town and switch
> to a carbohydrate based diet it does them no good compared to blood, milk,
> butter, and the odd tuber they evolved to eat.
No one does well on carbohydrates who isn't active all their waking hours

--
"When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics."

Josef Stalin

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 13:04:29 +0100, D wrote:

> Beavers are cute too, but they have no concept of respect for others
> private property!

A group purchased a tract of nearby land next to the river and set up a
challenge course. Part of the course was sort of a zip line strung between
two trees about 20' off the ground. A beaver had industriously gnawed his
way through a good sized cottonwood but his plan was thwarted when it hung
up on the zip line. I could picture an irate beaver looking up at all the
tender leaves and branches and saying WTF?

I've seen a few otters. They seem to enjoy themselves more than a lot of
wildlife that is all business.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 13:08:17 +0100, D wrote:

> Very sad, I'm sorry to hear it. =( Yes, many blue collar people I
> imagine see work as work, and would be happy living retired. I think
> that blue collar lifestyle choices might sometimes cut their lifes a bit
> shorter than normal.

Cynically the US Social Security scheme assumed most people would die
before getting much money back.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: rbowman
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
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From: bowman@montana.com (rbowman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
Date: 30 Dec 2024 20:44:15 GMT
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On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 12:51:07 +0100, D wrote:

> A doctor criticized it for being unreliable, and saying that you'll
> always get some kind of alarm or trigger, and that having loads of these
> cabinets will overflow the healthcare system by anxious millionaires and
> billionaires for what in the end turned out to be nothing.

Many dentists have started taking the patient's blood pressure as part of
the exam. For convenience they use the cuffs that go around your wrist
that are very prone to reading high. My doctor says she gets referrals
from dentists that have perfectly normal BP.

I got a Fitbit last year and it's fairly useful for keeping track of my
walks but I don't pay much attention to the rest of the features. On the
fitbit subreddit there are a surprising number of people that head to the
emergency room every time a $100 device has a glitch. For example it has
an ECG function. I get random results, normal sinus rhythm, inconclusive,
or atrial fibrillation. Somehow I trust the type with all the patches
stuck to your chest hair to holding both sides of a glorified wristwatch
between your thumb and forefinger.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: rbowman
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2024 20:51 UTC
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From: bowman@montana.com (rbowman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
Date: 30 Dec 2024 20:51:03 GMT
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On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 12:33:29 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Today we have crystal therapy, aroma therapy, lots of massage...one
> yearns for the days of a snort of charlie and a damn good shag...

Several years ago I thought tai chi might be a good way to maintain
flexibility and enrolled in a class. Amazing what a bunch of New Agers can
make out of simple movements. Of course the Asians added their own
mysticism.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: The Natural Philosop
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Organization: A little, after lunch
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2024 11:11 UTC
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From: tnp@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2024 11:11:28 +0000
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On 30/12/2024 20:44, rbowman wrote:
> Somehow I trust the type with all the patches
> stuck to your chest hair to holding both sides of a glorified wristwatch
> between your thumb and forefinger.

Whenever I get strapped into one of those they take several goes to get
a stable reading. They are trying to measure microvolts in a noise rich
environment

--
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