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* Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?186282@ud0s4.net
+* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?The Natural Philosopher
|+* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?D
||+* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?Rich
|||+* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?The Natural Philosopher
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|||`* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?rbowman
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|||  `* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?rbowman
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|||    `* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?Rich
|||     +* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?The Natural Philosopher
|||     |`* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?D
|||     | `* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?Charlie Gibbs
|||     |  +- Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?The Natural Philosopher
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||`* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?The Natural Philosopher
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|+* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?BlueManedHawk
||+* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?The Natural Philosopher
|||+- Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?rbowman
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|||`* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?186282@ud0s4.net
||| +- Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?rbowman
||| +- Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?D
||| `* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?Rich
|||  `* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?The Natural Philosopher
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||`- Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?D
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|| ||  +- Joy of Hydrogen (Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?)Lars Poulsen
|| ||  `- Joy of Hydrogen (Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?)Lars Poulsen
|| |`* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?rbowman
|| `* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?186282@ud0s4.net
|+* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?Carlos E.R.
|`* Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?Carlos E.R.
`- Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?Robert Riches

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Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: rbowman
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2024 19:14 UTC
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From: bowman@montana.com (rbowman)
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Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 12:21:30 +0100, D wrote:

> Wow! What did your doctor say? My fathers doctor told him to cut down on
> meat, and he responded that that will never happen.

We weren't big on doctors. In that era most people saw a doctor when there
was something obviously wrong that you couldn't fix yourself. Most people
didn't have medical insurance or a plan at work. otoh, you could pay for a
office visit or house call out of pocket without mortgaging the farm. You
have to remember even Medicare was started in '65. Health insurance and
the health industry have fed on each other.

Since he died at work my father was autopsied. He had arteriosclerosis,
Type 2 diabetes, and a few other problems. As far as he was concerned he
was as healthy as a horse.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: rbowman
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
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Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 14:45:30 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> - telling punters to buy a stock is the last refuge of someone who
> bought early and just wants to make another percent before it nosedives.

Pump'n'dump has a long tradition.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: D
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Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 23/12/2024 21:14, D wrote:
>> I have a vague memory of reading somewhere that remains of paganism were
>> alive until the 1700s, but cannot find anything through a quick google. My
>> friendly neighbourhood AI insist on official death in the 12:th century.
>
> This is a subject of heated debate as modern Wiccan/Pagans like to feel they
> have an unbroken tradition.
>
> But of course people probably learned to keep their mouths shit and rub
> themselves with witches ointment in private...

I do not believe in any unbroken tradition except among indians, esquimaux
or some siberian indians.

I do believe that it is not impossible that remains existed up until the
17th or perhaps even 18th century, although those remains probably were
_very_ different from the original.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: D
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Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 23/12/2024 21:25, rbowman wrote:
>> I read an article this morning about Bitcoin EFTs that went right over my
>> head. It reminded me of the brilliant scheme of buying derivatives based
>> on insurance payouts for tranches of mortgages likely to default.
>>
> I got quite deeply involved in stocks shares and funds at one time.
>
> - Anyone who tells you how to make a fortune begs the question of why they
> didn't make one themselves and not write a book.
> - telling punters to buy a stock is the last refuge of someone who bought
> early and just wants to make another percent before it nosedives.
> -at least 50% of funds do worse than the stock market index. If you dont know
> which ones, buy a tracker.
> - physical gold is generally at least a way to keep place with inflation.
> Apparently a loaf of bread today costs the same in gold as it did in Roman
> times...
> - If you dont want to spend your days with your nose glued to the market
> data, find a fund manager who does, and let him take his 1%.
> - If there is anything more rigged than FX I have yet to find it.
> - Futures and options for 'domestic' investors are rigged so the bank always
> wins. Unless you do straight forward futures trading at the raw level, dont
> touch it.

I agree with all of this. I think if you cannot be bothered, a low cost
index fund is a good choice.

> - aim for about 20% ROI and be happy when you get ten.

Wow! My aim is to not lose money, and anynthing above that is extra on
top! ;)

>
>
>
>
>
>
>> I'll stay far away, thank you.
>
>

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: D
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Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 12:31:55 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> But human nature can be changed! I'm not saying easily, and I'm not
>> saying quickly, but small steps here and there are definitely possible.
>> This is why the theory exists that mankind is not yet ready for
>> socialism... or libertarianism!
>
> After millennia the sheep breeding program has been less than successful.
> There have been entire religions spawned to convince the sheep a better
> world awaits them and they should be nice and well behaved in the
> meantime.

Well, at least some consolation is that regardless of the ism they all
have to work with the same raw material, and the leaders have the same
faults as the governed.

> I think socialists and libertarians are both dreamers. Sometimes they even

Guilty as charged! My dreams give me energy, motivation and direction.

> recognize their affinity:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

Hah, not in a 1000 years!

> I'm not opposed to the dream. I like interesting fantasies. After all my

There is hope for you! ;)

> work Linux box and one of my personal Linux boxes show
>
> $ hostname
> kropotkin
>
> Then morning comes and I wake up.

Don't be boring, don't wake up! ;)

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: The Natural Philosop
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On 27/12/2024 18:34, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 12:32:46 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> I read the NT, never got around to the OT.
>
> Nietzsche said something about putting gloves on before reading the NT;
> the OT needs a full hazmat suit. Most religions come up with a mythology
> that isn't quite as appalling.

There is a first rate Jewish scholar who traces the rise of Judaism and
Christianity on You Tube. 'Esoterica' is the channel.

Well worth it for people who are interested in religion from a non
religious perspective.

--
“The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools.”

Herbert Spencer

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, Lars Poulsen wrote:

> On 23/12/2024 21:25, rbowman wrote:
>>> I read an article this morning about Bitcoin EFTs that went right over my
>>> head. It reminded me of the brilliant scheme of buying derivatives based
>>> on insurance payouts for tranches of mortgages likely to default.
>
> On 2024-12-27, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> I got quite deeply involved in stocks shares and funds at one time.
>>
>> - Anyone who tells you how to make a fortune begs the question of why
>> they didn't make one themselves and not write a book.
>> - telling punters to buy a stock is the last refuge of someone who
>> bought early and just wants to make another percent before it nosedives.
>> -at least 50% of funds do worse than the stock market index. If you dont
>> know which ones, buy a tracker.
>> - physical gold is generally at least a way to keep place with
>> inflation. Apparently a loaf of bread today costs the same in gold as it
>> did in Roman times...
>> - If you dont want to spend your days with your nose glued to the market
>> data, find a fund manager who does, and let him take his 1%.
>> - If there is anything more rigged than FX I have yet to find it.
>> - Futures and options for 'domestic' investors are rigged so the bank
>> always wins. Unless you do straight forward futures trading at the raw
>> level, dont touch it.
>> - aim for about 20% ROI and be happy when you get ten.
>
> This matches exactly my experience. 100% agree with all of these. Figured
> these out more or less in the order listed.
>
> Around the time I turned 50, I realized I was going to need to boost my
> retirement savings. I thought Ï work in internet technology, I know
> which are the good and growing companies in my field, I will buy some of
> that.
>
> Then 2000 happened, and my Cisco, Osicom, Juniper etc stocks all took a
> real nosedive.
>
> So I figured that I needed to diversify. Bought some Ford Motor, United
> Airlines, Robinson/May dept stores, ... only to see every single one
> descend into near bankruptcy.
>
> So I headed for the SP500 funds, and have done quite well with that.
> There have been some dips, but always recovered spectacularly. My one
> ïndividual" stock is Berkshire (Buffett). But that is really more of a
> very well-managed, diversified investment fund.
>

I started when I was 16, I think I more or less settled on my current
method in my late twenties. It's worked well for two decades, so I'm
sticking with it. Usually during a recession I go down 30%-40% and then at
least triple from the bottom at the next high, and on and on it goes.

The only timing I do is to stop buying once I think that we've reached a
high, that can be anything from 1 to 3.5 years so far of waiting. When
things crash, I've saved up quite a nice sum, and start to buy. Here is
where it does take a bit of tolerance to psychological pain to keep buying
as the stock market goes down, then it turns, continue to buy, until I
feel that the next high is approaching, then I start to save.

And of course I always reinvest my dividends. I am very dividend heavy in
my portfolio.

Some contrarian bets that went wrong were IT, Ericsson, debt mgmt
companies. Some contrarian bets that went right were oil, banks, gambling
and industrial air conditioning.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: D
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On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 09:25:53 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2024-12-27, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 21:41:29 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> Read up on the Italian and Greek city-state eras.
>>>> The "town over the hill" was always attacking.
>>>
>>> Thucydides got an Amazon best seller out of it. If the bible can be
>>> believed the tribal god was big on genocide when somebody else was
>>> living on the land he gave you. That hasn't changed a bit.
>>
>> I once set myself a project of reading the Bible end to end, rather than
>> depending on other people's summaries. I bogged down around I Kings -
>> all that violence was getting too depressing.
>
> I don't know if I ever made it that far. Ecclesiasticus (not Ecclesiastes)
> isn't too bad; it reads like Hesiod or the Havamal. The first time I made

I agree! And also proverbs is quite similar to Havamal as well.

> it through the NT was 'Good News for Modern Man'. It was more or less in
> English and about all I had to read at the time.
>
> As for the rest I'm surprised it preserved. Joseph's brothers sell him as
> a slave. He wheedles his way to second in command in Egypt and sets up a
> scheme to store all the confiscated grain in the good years. He also
> invites all his friends and relatives to share in the good times.
>
> Bad times come and he sells the grain back to the starving farmers, taking
> all their land. The Egyptians get pissed off so Joe and his tribe call
> down some plagues, steal everything that isn't nailed down, and beat feet.
>
> Fine, upstanding story...
>

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 12:32:46 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> I read the NT, never got around to the OT.
>
> Nietzsche said something about putting gloves on before reading the NT;
> the OT needs a full hazmat suit. Most religions come up with a mythology
> that isn't quite as appalling.
>

That is exactly why I never got around to the OT. I've read bits and
pieces, but all of it... no, it's just not for me.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On 27/12/2024 23:12, D wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 23/12/2024 21:14, D wrote:
>>> I have a vague memory of reading somewhere that remains of paganism
>>> were alive until the 1700s, but cannot find anything through a quick
>>> google. My friendly neighbourhood AI insist on official death in the
>>> 12:th century.
>>
>> This is a subject of heated debate as modern Wiccan/Pagans like to
>> feel they have an unbroken tradition.
>>
>> But of course people probably learned to keep their mouths shit and
>> rub themselves with witches ointment in private...
>
> I do not believe in any unbroken tradition except among indians,
> esquimaux or some siberian indians.
>
> I do believe that it is not impossible that remains existed up until the
> 17th or perhaps even 18th century, although those remains probably were
> _very_ different from the original.
>
>
I am not going to argue: merely to say that modern Wicca started with
Gardner who claimed to have been initiated by IIRC a Scottish witch in
the practices of the 'old religion' .

And started the modern following...

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doesn't exist instituted by self legalising protection rackets that
don't protect, masquerading as public servants who don't serve the public.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 12:17:54 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> May all the power boats be damned! I especially like the ones who see
>> that I'm sitting in a tiny fishing boat, and then they speed by at extra
>> high speed to see if they can sink my boat with the waves.
>
> My father and I were fishing in a rented rowboat when a speedboat nearly
> swamped us. My father stood up and yelled 'Cocksucker!'. I didn't know he
> knew words like that :)

I feel a close bond with your father. Similar words and worse, have been
on my mind when they do their thing. ;)

> Boat rentals were common on the area lakes. They were homemade wooden
> productions with flat bottoms, square ends, and a bait well under the
> seats. They weren't beautiful but they were stable. When we got the
> aluminum V-hull it was a lot less stable.

I know the one. Around the lake where I fish in sweden, you can find a few
abandoned boats here and there. From small plastic ones, to the one above.
Sadly they tend to rot away. When I was young, one summer, I found one I
thought was abandoned, and took care of it during the summer. Then one day
it was gone. It turned out it had an owner who finally found it, and took
it away. He did not have his name or phone number painted on the boat.

In the housing community next to mine, they have a rule that all boats by
the lake must have name + phone number painted on them, or they will be
seen as abandoned and towed away. Hmm, come to think of it... maybe I
should check to see if there are any abandoned ones I can restore, before
exploring that canoe idea!

> In the '50s the designs were adapted to use plywood instead of planks.
> After storing the boats over the winter in the spring they discovered
> porcupines love the resin used to bond the layers.
>
> I have a special fondness for porcupines. While I was on a multiday hike a
> porcupine ate the front brake lines and heater hose on my pickup. It was
> raining when I got back to the trailhead so I threw my gear in and took
> off. I quickly discovered a pickup without front brakes isn't the best
> thing to use to come off a mountain. I could splice the heater hose and
> refill the radiator from a creek but the brakes had to wait until I was
> back to civilization.

They are very cute. Did not know they liked to eat that stuff.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: D
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On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 12:21:30 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Wow! What did your doctor say? My fathers doctor told him to cut down on
>> meat, and he responded that that will never happen.
>
> We weren't big on doctors. In that era most people saw a doctor when there
> was something obviously wrong that you couldn't fix yourself. Most people
> didn't have medical insurance or a plan at work. otoh, you could pay for a
> office visit or house call out of pocket without mortgaging the farm. You
> have to remember even Medicare was started in '65. Health insurance and
> the health industry have fed on each other.
>
> Since he died at work my father was autopsied. He had arteriosclerosis,
> Type 2 diabetes, and a few other problems. As far as he was concerned he
> was as healthy as a horse.

This makes one think. How much is sickness, and how much is the belief of
sickness? It's almost as if a doctor can make things worse sometime. =/

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
From: The Natural Philosop
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On 27/12/2024 23:13, D wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> I agree with all of this. I think if you cannot be bothered, a low cost
> index fund is a good choice.
>
>> -  aim for about 20% ROI and be happy when you get ten.
>
> Wow! My aim is to not lose money, and anynthing above that is extra on
> top! ;)

https://www.trustnet.com/fund/price-performance/o/ia-unit-trusts-and-oeics?norisk=true&sortby=P11GBP_D_60M&sortorder=desc&PageSize=25

Pick a fund with good 1,3 and 5 year performance and then look into it
and check it has the same fund manager.

Ones with more stars are held to be less risky.

Then do a little more research into what they invest in.

Use your judgement and review every 6 months, sell the losers and double
down on the winners

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Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 00:31:08 +0100, D wrote:

> This makes one think. How much is sickness, and how much is the belief
> of sickness? It's almost as if a doctor can make things worse sometime.
> =/

Medicare provides for a yearly 'wellness' visit and I make use of it. I
get along well with my doctor. She must have slept through Drug Pushing
101 in med school. There is a form to determine if a person would benefit
from statins and according to her the answer is always 'yes'. She would
prescribe them if I asked her to but it's not the default. At times she
can be cynical abut her profession.

I would prefer to blow my heart out on a steep mountain trail and become
food for the bears to some long drawn out affair where 'medical science'
tries to put off the inevitable.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 00:29:50 +0100, D wrote:

> In the housing community next to mine, they have a rule that all boats
> by the lake must have name + phone number painted on them, or they will
> be seen as abandoned and towed away. Hmm, come to think of it... maybe I
> should check to see if there are any abandoned ones I can restore,
> before exploring that canoe idea!

It may have changed but then any power boat, even a small trolling motor,
was required to be registered and would have a hull number. Canoes,
rowboats, and small sailboats didn't.

>
> They are very cute. Did not know they liked to eat that stuff.

They're much cuter if you don't have to live with them. They love salt and
will chew up ax handles, outhouse seats, gloves, vehicle parts, or
anything else they can get their paws on. Apparently plywood resin tastes
good too.

https://www.fs.usda.gov/detailfull/r10/forest-grasslandhealth/?
cid=FSEPRD566459+

That focuses on Alaska but wherever they are you can find damage. In this
area the prevalent species at lower altitudes are Ponderosa pine, and
Douglas fir, both of which are tasty. At higher elevations they'll chew
of true fir and spruce.

There is some confusion, at least in the US, but a porcupine definitely
isn't a hedgehog. They do have their uses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quillwork

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 18:06:20 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>> It was interesting but I realized there were practical problems. With
>>> only VFR you were completely dependent on the weather. With IFR you
>>> had a little more flexibility but you weren't going to keep schedules.
>>> The other problem is after you fly to Oshkosh you find yourself at a
>>> small airfield 10 miles from town.
>
> I do not get it.
>
> Why should having access to the instruments prevent you from using your
> eyes?

That's fine if you can see anything. In training for IFR, you fly 'under
the hood'.

https://featherhood.com/

You only have the instruments and no visual reference. This simulates
being in clouds with no visibility. You have to have absolute faith in the
instruments since 'seat of the pants' will convince you you're flying
straight and level when you're screwing the plane into the ground.

Visual feedback is extremely important. There is a local bike trail that
is on an old railwway right of way that passes through several tunnels. A
light was required but I went cheap and it was totally inadequate. You
don't last long trying to ride a bike in the pitch black.

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 00:12:19 +0100, D wrote:

> I do not believe in any unbroken tradition except among indians,
> esquimaux or some siberian indians.

I would take those with a grain of salt too. For example

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubbell_Trading_Post_National_Historic_Site

When the Navajo showed up with their crude blankets Hubbell them they'd
better come up with something a lot more attractive if the expected to
sell them. And the legend was born.

The traditional turquoise jewelry and pottery designs were taught to them
by WPA art students, again trying to develop a product they could sell.


> I do believe that it is not impossible that remains existed up until the
> 17th or perhaps even 18th century, although those remains probably were
> _very_ different from the original.

The 18th century Romantic movement and the earlier feeling that became
known as the counter-enlightenment led to many like die Brüder Grimm
digging around looking for roots just like Alex Haley did for Africans.

I can understand the feeling. As we studied the glories of Rome in school
I thought 'Wait a minute. My ancestors were those barbarians pillaging
Rome and Ravenna. How about their history and beliefs?' The Christians did
their best to bury them so you have to read between the lines. Tacitus may
never have seen Germania in person. Snorri was a couple of hundred years
after Iceland voted to be Christian. Saxo Grammaticus wrote historical
fiction. And so on.

I don't know that much about Wicca but my impression is it invented a lot
from the whole cloth while the heathens try harder for some historical
accuracy. I use heathen versus pagan in the preferred sense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heathenry_(new_religious_movement)

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On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 00:24:33 +0100, D wrote:

> I agree! And also proverbs is quite similar to Havamal as well.

True, although I don't think either mention keeping your spear handy.

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On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 18:25:53 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:

> Around the time I turned 50, I realized I was going to need to boost my
> retirement savings. I thought Ï work in internet technology, I know
> which are the good and growing companies in my field, I will buy some of
> that.
>
> Then 2000 happened, and my Cisco, Osicom, Juniper etc stocks all took a
> real nosedive.

I had friends that told me I was foolish to only have CDs, US savings
bonds, and savings accounts as they checked their stock portfolios every
hour. Crickets after 2000. I didn't lose a dime.

When I was married we talked to an honest broker. He told us if we weren't
willing to put the money on a roulette table in Vegas we shouldn't be in
the market. We thanked him for his time and insights.

Truth is, the whole topic bores me.

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On 12/27/24 12:53 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 22:41:34 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>

>> As for George Jetsons' flying around in 'cars' ...
>> I can foresee disasters aplenty even WITH nominal automatic route
>> control. Humans don't even navigate 2-D very well ......
>
> Too many variable. My boss at that company learned to fly, bought a plane,
> and shortened his commute time to meetings in the Boston area. One day he
> headed off to a meeting in Kennebunk, about 16 miles. Then the fog rolled
> in from the ocean. He found his way back, landed the plane, kissed the
> ground, and put the plane up for sale. A Lincoln Town Car wasn't so bad
> after all for commuting.

Hmmmm ... went up one day in marginal VFR weather, which
quickly became marginal IFR. Fortunately in the old days
they'd teach all the students up to near-IFR skills so I
wasn't worried. Then abruptly an F-18 whizzed by REALLY
close at maybe 400 knots in the mist. If he hadn't been
moving so quick I could have read the registration numbers.
Got on UNICOM and asked if Military Pilot's radar was
working correctly. No reply, of course :-)

Anyway, flying, the key phrase is "Don't Panic" ... that
junk on the dashboard will tell you all you need, IF you
will just pay attention.

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On 12/27/24 6:27 AM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 26 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>>
>>  A number of corps are fronting 'air-taxi' now using
>>  what are essentially large drones. One or two don't
>>  even have a pilot, all automated. Would NOT wanna
>>  get on one will less than six thrusters though ...
>>  that way one can die and the rest can still compensate.
>>
>>  As for George Jetsons' flying around in 'cars' ...
>>  I can foresee disasters aplenty even WITH nominal
>>  automatic route control. Humans don't even
>>  navigate 2-D very well ......
>
> I think scaled up drones is as close as we'll get to flying cars within
> the next
> 20 years or so. I'd definitely be up for it! Having one myself would be
> great. I
> would then need to no road to my fortress of solitude, but could just
> fly in and
> out of there! =)

I see nothing but 'big drones' as the moral equiv
of "flying cars" for a LONG time. Sorry, no anti-
gravity thrusters or whatever. Alas there's gonna
be a lot of thruster noise and air-blast so they
are not gonna replace yer Caddy for most uses.

In any case, as said, modern tech allows very very
stable flight. The fly-by-wire will read what you
WANT the thing to do so you're not stuck fighting
little tilts and drifts. George Jetson COULD fly
the things pretty easily (but shouldn't).

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On 12/27/24 1:06 PM, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>> It was interesting but I realized there were practical problems. With only
>>> VFR you were completely dependent on the weather. With IFR you had a
>>> little more flexibility but you weren't going to keep schedules. The other
>>> problem is after you fly to Oshkosh you find yourself at a small airfield
>>> 10 miles from town.
>
> I do not get it.
>
> Why should having access to the instruments prevent you from using your eyes?

In flight, THE EYES *LIE* (and the other senses too).

The minute things get a little fuzzy YOU WATCH THE INSTRUMENTS
no matter WHAT you "see" or "feel", or you DIE.

I'm sure JFK Jr was convinced he had the coast in sight
and was maintaining level flight - right up until the
belly hit a wave .......

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On 12/27/24 7:27 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 00:31:08 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> This makes one think. How much is sickness, and how much is the belief
>> of sickness? It's almost as if a doctor can make things worse sometime.
>> =/
>
> Medicare provides for a yearly 'wellness' visit and I make use of it. I
> get along well with my doctor. She must have slept through Drug Pushing
> 101 in med school. There is a form to determine if a person would benefit
> from statins and according to her the answer is always 'yes'. She would
> prescribe them if I asked her to but it's not the default. At times she
> can be cynical abut her profession.
>
> I would prefer to blow my heart out on a steep mountain trail and become
> food for the bears to some long drawn out affair where 'medical science'
> tries to put off the inevitable.

"Modern Med" has become a serious MESS. If you have
insurance you will suddenly "need" large numbers of
"tests" and meds.

Hate seeing new docs, always have to give 'em The
Lecture about how we're not going There ....

Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 00:02:09 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> I'm sure JFK Jr was convinced he had the coast in sight and was
> maintaining level flight - right up until the belly hit a wave
> .......

The Buddy Holly wreck looked lke the pilot flew it into the ground. That's
hard to do in Iowa unless you're seriously confused.

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On 12/27/24 9:35 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 23/12/2024 21:14, D wrote:
>> I have a vague memory of reading somewhere that remains of paganism
>> were alive until the 1700s, but cannot find anything through a quick
>> google. My friendly neighbourhood AI insist on official death in the
>> 12:th century.
>
> This is a subject of heated debate as modern Wiccan/Pagans like to feel
> they have an unbroken tradition.
>
> But of course people probably learned to keep their mouths shit and rub
> themselves with witches ointment in private...

Heh ! :-)

Anyway, kinda impossible to have an 'unbroken tradition'
with any kind of 'paganism' - as the pantheon of gods and
such varies widely over place and time. I guess that
before Zoroaster EVERYBODY was 'pagan' - but still was
not the SAME 'paganism'.

As for BRITS ... 'unbroken' maybe means a few thousand
years - but with every wave of invaders the 'gods' got
mixed, re-named, re-statused - and some just disappeared.

Kinda like Hindu 'paganism' - the idea of god-beings with
such extreme power and 'generative potential' that a mere
passing thought could pop another god or god-like thing
into existence on the spot ... a nice kinda 'fractal'
look and feel :-)

Know nothing about Chinese theology alas ... other than
that it had a lot of 'demons'. Gotta look into that. May
NOT entirely 'get it' alas because I wasn't born Chinese.
'Gods' kinda COMPLEMENT the culture rather than CREATE it.

Oh, good movie/Harry Potter question - how come all
'spells' are done in LATIN ??? Did spirits/gods/etc
from 10,000 years ago all speak Latin too ??? :-)

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