On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 21:56:21 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> The last specks of Doggerland are now going under and will probably
> remain that way for thousands of years unless we get another a meteor
> hit and everything re-freezes.

I'm not sure but in may have been Childers' 'The Riddle of the Sands'
where I read about the boats having twin keels so they would sit level
when the tide went out. They play it differently on the Maine coast. If
you need to apply bottom paint or do other hull work, you find a
convenient sand flat, wait for the tide to do out, and careen the boat
over. Easily done since the tidal range is about 20' up towards Canada.

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 23:55:34 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> More likely the nordics there are just more gullible -

The nordics in the US have the reputation of being very nice people. I
wonder what happened to that gene pool? The joke is four Norwegians at a
4-way stop. "After you...", "No, I insist, after you!"

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 18/12/2024 19:09, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 10:30:39 +0100, D wrote:
>>>
>>>> Really?! Why was that? Did they have too thick skulls?
>>>
>>> They may have had some really good drugs.
>>>
>>> https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/the-45-acp-history-performance/
>>>
>>> There is a theory that the Norse berserkers where getting into the
>>> psychedelics too. A little warrior enhancement is ever popular.
>>>
>>> https://theconversation.com/what-is-the-drug-captagon-and-how-is-it-
>>> linked-to-syrias-fallen-assad-regime-245935
>>
>> Interesting! I thought the secret behind the norse berserkers, were their
>> militantly feminist wives. Once they managed to go on a roadtrip (or boat
>> trip) they could finally release all their bottled up anger! ;)
>
> It was supposed to be amanita muscaria intoxication.
> Except that doesn't make people violent

Yes! I always heard this as well, but as far as I've read (and heard) it
results in vomiting and just feeling bad.

> Relief from nagging Nordic nannies sounds about right tho.

;)

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 18/12/2024 19:34, D wrote:
>> When asked about beautiful women in the UK the ginger man said they are
>> horrible, drink too much beer, get drunk and then fight each other.
>>
>> Is this true?
>
> It has been known....
>

How sad. =(

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 19:51:53 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> This is the truth! I have nothing against the mormons I meet. I think
>> perhaps they are more afraid to discuss philosophy with me, than I am of
>> them!
>
> Once they get past the missionary phase. It's been years since they
> ventured into my part of the woods but I opened the door to find three
> Mormonettes. The guys go in pairs but apparently they think they need
> three for the girls.

This is the truth! When I was young, someone disturbed me early on a
sunday morning. It turned out to be three photo models from the Mormons.
They never came back. I felt disappointed. ;)

> Evanston Wyoming has a rather nice historical museum. Like most of the
> railroad towns the Chinese played a large part. I called an exhibit to the
> attention of a Chinese woman that I thought might interest her. We got to
> talking and eventually went out to a picnic table. She asked if I knew
> anything about my ancestry, which I took to be a Chinese thing. Nope, she
> was a Mormon and they're big on genealogy so they can retroactively
> baptize their ancestors. She was headed to Salt Lake as was I and she
> invited me to attend a service with her. She was cute, but I passed.

What a missed opportunity! Imagine you now, 4 wifes, 40 children! ;)

On 18/12/2024 23:14, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 19:11:53 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> It was supposed to be amanita muscaria intoxication.
>> Except that doesn't make people violent
>
> Henbane has been mentioned too. Gruit made with henbane, marsh rosemary,
> and other potentially psychoactive substances must have made for
> interesting barroom fights. Supposedly the purity act substituted hops for
> its calming, an-aphrodisiac effects. I wonder how the IPA craze works into
> that?
Henbane is one of many belladonna type compounds that mostly make people
sleep and have vivid dreams of flying, copulating with animals, becoming
animals etc etc. And leaves the eyes painful if exposed to sunlight.

Think vampires, witches, werewolves etc etc.

Not nordic battle champions.

--
I was brought up to believe that you should never give offence if you
can avoid it; the new culture tells us you should always take offence if
you can. There are now experts in the art of taking offence, indeed
whole academic subjects, such as 'gender studies', devoted to it.

Sir Roger Scruton

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 20:20:41 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Interesting! Very few chechens in sweden. I wonder how on earth sweden
>> managed to avoid those? I saw in the news the other day that a mosque in
>> Gothenburg hand't out scarfs to arabian children with terrorist
>> propaganda against israel.
>
> They're rare in the US also.
>
> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/19/chechens-immigrants-
> us-population/2097065/
>
> Other non-Arab Muslims are more prevalent.
>
> https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2019/1028/Refugees-poured-into-my-state.-
> Here-s-how-it-changed-me
>
> I lived in a small Maine town for a couple of years in the late '70s.
> While it sometimes seemed like a chapter out of a Stephen King novel
> diversity had not struck.
>
> The Somalis were first settled in Atlanta GA which was closer to Somalia's
> climate than Maine but the Africans didn't get along with the African-
> Americans very well. It's done wonders for Leweiston's soccer team.
>
> I'm not sure how the Somalis wound up in Minnesota. For most of the 19th
> and early 20th centuries it was the target of Swedes, Norwegians, and
> Germans.

Haha... surely they must have heard from their fellow swedish somalis,
that these people are rich pickings and naive enough to fool!

There are small villages in sweden completely ruled by clan elders,
forcing swedish families to move out if they don't accept that.

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 20:17:49 +0100, D wrote:
>
>
>> Brings back good memories of debating abortion with good, honest, god
>> fearing republicans when I was studying one year in Chicago.
>
> I avoid that topic. I will say when my wife called me at work one day and
> said 'I think I'm pregnant.', my first thoughts weren't 'Wonderful! I'll
> be a father!' False alarm.

>> Divide and conquer! Do you not fear the the protestants will unite?
>
> Not a chance. Even the mainline denominations are splitting up.

Good to hear that you are safe!

> https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/20/united-methodist-
> congregations-lgbtq-same-sex-marriage-ban
>
> That's often a factor although there can be more arcane reasons. The
> Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is the largest but there is also
> the second largest Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod that goes back to 1847
> with roots in the Kingdom of Saxony and ultimately goes back to how
> seriously they take the 1580 'Book of Concord'.
>
> Many of the evangelical churches are more about personalities than
> theology. A friend who died last year used to fill me in on the various
> scandals and schisms on the local scene. His flavor was 'Smith's Friends'
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunstad_Christian_Church

I always thought about starting a mega-church. Seems like a nice business!
I wonder if the time has passed, or if there are any fairly recent mega
churches started by some elite psychologist?

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 19:54:30 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Yes, this is the important truth that all mainstream politicians of
>> today have completely forgotten. The first mainstream politician to
>> rediscover this fact, will probably be a successful mainstream
>> politician.
>
> Bill Clinton got a lot of miles out of James Carville's 'It's the
> economy, stupid.'
>

This is the truth! The concept works.

On 19/12/2024 02:56, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 12/18/24 2:09 AM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 00:05:27 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>
>>>     The first known human on the island - a cave fossil named 'Cheddar
>>>     Man' - turned out to be a 'black' African who apparently sailed up
>>>     the Spanish and finally English coast about 10,000 years ago just as
>>>     the ice age was starting to thaw.
>>
>> Depending on the exact timing he may have hiked across Doggerland.
>
>
>   Possible - though Cheddar is in the southwest, long walk.
>
>   The last specks of Doggerland are now going under and will
>   probably remain that way for thousands of years unless we
>   get another a meteor hit and everything re-freezes.

Doggerland vanished thousands of years ago at the beginning of the
current interstadial when sea levels rose by over 150m.

That was proper global warming. Not this nancy boy stuff they are
panicking us with today.

All that is left of it is the Dogger banks - an area of shallow water
that has good fishing.

Shortly to be destroyed with a wind farm.

--
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's
too dark to read.

Groucho Marx

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 20:09:00 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Interesting! I thought the secret behind the norse berserkers, were
>> their militantly feminist wives. Once they managed to go on a roadtrip
>> (or boat trip) they could finally release all their bottled up anger!
>
> You may be on to something.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyd%C3%ADs_Eir%C3%ADksd%C3%B3ttir
>
> She would make a a long trip to Miklagard very appealing. fwiw I gave up
> on Netflix's reboot of 'Vikings: Valhalla' after two episodes. Freydis and
> Leif showing up in the fictional Kattegat run by the black female jarl
> jumped more sharks than there are in the South Pacific.

Haha, brilliant! I assume there must have been a chinese jarl as well? ;)
My wife gets very annoyed when they populate historical dramas with black,
yellow or red people who have no business appearing in 17:th century
europe at the top of society.

What about lord of the rings? Have there poped up versions with chinese
trans elves yet? ;)

On 19/12/2024 05:25, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 21:56:21 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> The last specks of Doggerland are now going under and will probably
>> remain that way for thousands of years unless we get another a meteor
>> hit and everything re-freezes.
>
> I'm not sure but in may have been Childers' 'The Riddle of the Sands'
> where I read about the boats having twin keels so they would sit level
> when the tide went out.

I cannot recall that in that book. Nor can I recall that being anything
normal in European boatbuilding of open sea vessels

> They play it differently on the Maine coast. If
> you need to apply bottom paint or do other hull work, you find a
> convenient sand flat, wait for the tide to do out, and careen the boat
> over. Easily done since the tidal range is about 20' up towards Canada.

That was the traditional way, yes, including N Europe.

The atlantic coasts have extreme tidal ranges. But the Baltic and
Mediterranean do not

--
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph Goebbels

On Thu, 18 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 20:12:49 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> What is fun being an IT guy, is that apparently I do not look like I
>> belong in business class. So on that tedious flight to japan, I had to
>> go on a walk to stretch my legs. So 2-3 times I walk the length of the
>> plane.
>> I went to the back, then went to the front, and the flight attendant
>> stopped me, and said I had to go back to economy class and that this was
>> for business only.
>
> I've never fit the profile. I think it was '69 when my wife and I were
> flying out of Memphis. I had a beard, ponytail, and leather jacket and she
> sort of looked like a hippy chick. The stewardess came back to us barely
> able to suppress her giggles. "The lady up there thinks you're going to
> hijack the plane to Cuba. You aren't going to, are you?"
>
> Many years later the beard and ponytail are sort of gray and I have a
> different leather jacket but not much else has changed.
>
> That's my problem with the new sardine cans. I can barely walk when it's
> time to deplane and that's on a two or three hour domestic flight.

Yes... it's absolutely horrible. Add to that, for a guy with problems with
authorities like me, the eternal hassles with retarded security, ID
controls, arbitrary rules and regulations, and just the general
unpleasantness of the planes and seats themselves, it's a nightmare!

I have contemplated ditching planes for trains, but I don't think the
result would be much better. Perhaps less security theater?

On Thu, 18 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 20:34:20 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Then I had a colleague who was ginger, and it was acceptable and
>> expected to make fun of him. Of course I heartily joined!
>>
>> When asked about beautiful women in the UK the ginger man said they are
>> horrible, drink too much beer, get drunk and then fight each other.
>
> It was a very long time ago when I read Donleavy's 'The Ginger Man'. That
> put a different twist on it.
>

Never read that one. No, this man was very good natured!

On Thu, 18 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 20:28:59 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> My favourite Bergman is Fanny och Alexander. Det sjunde inseglet is
>> quite alright as well
>
> I've never seen 'Fanny och Alexander'. 'The Seventh Seal' was a bit
> weird. I vaguely recall 'Höstsonaten' and 'Vargtimmen'. 'Jungfrukällan'
> is the only one I've seen relatively recently.

Yes... it is the weirdness and the symbology that appeals to me! =)

> Have you seen 'Kristin Lavransdatter'? I was reminded of it because of
> Liv Ullmann.

No, never seen or read. But I think there is a famous cheese brand from
Gudbrandsdalen, maybe, it does ring a bell!

Norwegian brunost (cheese) is one of the few cheeses I actually like.

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 12/18/24 2:31 PM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>
>>>  take many forms.
>>>
>>>  And Novo Nordisk is like 60% of the economy ... one
>>>  little glitch there and .......
>>>
>>
>> This is the truth! Novo nordisk, maers and tuborg/carlsberg. Remove those,
>> and
>> you have removed all of denmarks economy.
>
>
> There's an old adage about eggs and baskets ...

This is truth!

> At least those three industries are 'diverse', so
> one COULD fail without everyone starving.

Are you sure there are no dependencies? Maersk is needed to transport the
other two, a Tuborg at work is necessary to inspire the chemists at Novo
nordisk and lessen the tedious work of driving around shipping containers.

Novo is neccessary to keep them all fit and beautiful. Remove one in the
triangle and it falls!

> It should probably be NN since nobody there will
> need Ozempic when they're half-starving :-)
>

On 19/12/2024 03:03, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 12/18/24 5:01 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 18/12/2024 07:09, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 00:05:27 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>     The first known human on the island - a cave fossil named 'Cheddar
>>>>     Man' - turned out to be a 'black' African who apparently sailed up
>>>>     the Spanish and finally English coast about 10,000 years ago
>>>> just as
>>>>     the ice age was starting to thaw.
>>>
>>> Depending on the exact timing he may have hiked across Doggerland.
>>
>> Well its false anyway, and if coming from Africa Doggerland would not
>> have been a useful route
>
>   It is also said he was 'west Euro' - although
>   that's a vague def, and the Beaker People upset
>   the whole equation later on. People Stuff is
>   always messy.
>
>   Thing is, there have been odd genetic/physiotype
>   mixes found from around those times. Likely the
>   ice melt encouraged a lot of people to wander
>   around.

Well hom. sap. was shagging Neanderthals anyway around that time.
That was a time when 'climate change' actually meant something more than
an excuse for higher taxes and crap products.

Colossal changes took place across Eurasian and the Northern American
habitats.
Everything was on the move. Except CO2 of course.

I had a book once detailing as far as was known then (1980s?) the
movement of tribes as evinced by language and cultural patterns, It was
a spiders web.
When DNA analysis came along it just got worse...

Probably too much mammoth meat in the diet...

--
When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over
the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that
authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

Frédéric Bastiat

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 12/18/24 3:15 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 18/12/2024 19:11, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 10:01:12 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 18/12/2024 07:09, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 00:05:27 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>      The first known human on the island - a cave fossil named 'Cheddar
>>>>>>      Man' - turned out to be a 'black' African who apparently sailed up
>>>>>>      the Spanish and finally English coast about 10,000 years ago just
>>>>>>      as the ice age was starting to thaw.
>>>>>
>>>>> Depending on the exact timing he may have hiked across Doggerland.
>>>>
>>>> Well its false anyway, and if coming from Africa Doggerland would not
>>>> have been a useful route
>>>
>>> Exactly why do you think he sailed from Africa? The DNA matches the
>>> western European hunter gatherers who had be in Europe as long ago as
>>> 17,000 years BP.
>>>
>>
>> Then why call him a black African...
>>
>>> https://www.newscientist.com/article/2161867-ancient-dark-skinned-briton-
>>> cheddar-man-find-may-not-be-true/
>>>
>> New scientist is a political magazine. It has no real scientific content.
>> Its har left antd this is probably part of some 'critical race theory'
>> bullshit
>
>
> At least partially true ... don't take their stuff
> at face value, there are clearly agendas mixed in.
>
> Used to take the biggies - Science and Nature - but
> eventually lost the patience to read through them.
> Sigma Xi's "American Scientist" is more friendly.
>
> And FORGET "Scientific American" - first it dumbed-down
> a bit and then went far left and I don't think it can be
> redeemed. Extinction followed by a name-ripoff resurrection
> is the only hope. Such a pity.
>
> But ... in the CURRENT POLITICAL CLIMATE ... is it
> even possible to have a relatively 'objective'
> science source ? I see every color of glasses -
> except Clear.
>
>
>>> The rest of the article is pay walled but if you read other sources there
>>> is waffling on the skin color although 'black' generates better headlines.
>>> Even Wikipedia is more balanced.
>>>
>> Exactly
>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_hunter-gatherer#Physical_appearance
>>>
>>> When you're looking for specific alleles of SLC24A5 and SLC45A2 in ancient
>>> DNA there is room for interpretation.
>>>
>>> https://phys.org/news/2023-08-ancient-ape-trkiye-story-human.html
>>>
>>> Chris Stringer's Just So stories may become yesterday's news. Wolpoff and
>>> Caspari challenged that theory about 30 years ago, partially because
>>> Stringer's time line wasn't realistic.
>>>
>>> Perhaps they will revisit the M haplogroup which has long been an anomaly.
>>> The Just So story says L3 left Africa and mutated to M subclades of which
>>> are common in Asia, including the Indian subcontinent.  Except M1, which
>>> is found in North Africa. Did some M people on their way to Japan get
>>> homesick and go back to Africa?
>>>
>> Every body wandered around and banged anything that moved.
>
>
> EXACTLY ! :-)
>
> The more they trace the 'tree' the more obvious
> that becomes. The Victorians would be SHOCKED.

I'm so lucky to be related to the norse gods instead! No earthly
connections here.

On 19/12/2024 05:14, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 22:03:07 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> Thing is, there have been odd genetic/physiotype mixes found from
>> around those times. Likely the ice melt encouraged a lot of people to
>> wander around.
>
> Global warming! I'm pretty sure nobody was camping in my yard about 15,000
> years BP.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacial_Lake_Missoula
>
> There are several markers on the trails at the 4200' level. It's fun to
> imagine a lake where the valley is.

Yeah
Up where you are was full deep glaciation. U shaped valleys terminal
moraines and hanging valleys left over probably like in Wales.

I actually live on a terminal moraine - probably as far as the ice got
in this part of the world. Its chalk underneath but on top is sand
gravel and clay.

--
“The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools.”

Herbert Spencer

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 12/18/24 2:24 PM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 10:49:05 +0100, D wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't trust the danish! They are very tricky people. They invaded sweden
>>>> once, and we're constantly watching them, in case they will try it
>>>> again! As for the rest, they are good people, although the norwegian are
>>>> the most lazy people on the planet.
>>>
>>> I read an article a while back that many young Swedes went to Norway when
>>> they couldn't find work at home. They found employment peeling bananas.
>>>
>>> https://www.ateriet.com/banos-spreadable-banana-taste-test/
>>
>> This is the truth! Well, I don't know about the banana business, but many
>> low paying service jobs in norway, that the norwegians don't want to do are
>> filled with swedish youth, who in comparison, are seen as diligent and hart
>> working!
>>
>> Also swedish nurses double their salaries when moving to norway, and sweden
>> backfills with arabians who hardly speak the language. There have been many
>> examples of old people not understanding what their arabian doctor or nurse
>> are saying.
>>
>> The good thing is that the current center/nationalist government I think
>> made it possible for old people to demand to have a doctor they can
>> understand. Under the previous socialist government, this was seen as
>> racist and possibly punished.
>>
>>> I've been known to mash a banana on bread but this seems a bit extreme.
>>>
>>> I wonder what Norway will do when the North Sea oil fields dry up?
>>
>> The country will collapse back into a being a small fishing village. ;)
>> Once norway proposed to trade part of its oil fields for shares in Volvo.
>> Sweden, at the height of its modern power, laughed and refused. It makes me
>> very sad. =(
>>
>>> I did find it amusing that Norway housed some of its immigrants in an off
>>> season resort -- somewhere north of the Arctic Circle. Welcome to sunny
>>> Norway!
>>
>> Sounds just like norway! Another norwegian classic... in order to fight
>> congestion, you can only drive in the fast lane if you're 2 people or more
>> during rush hour. The crafty norwegians love their au paires, and took them
>> with them to work, so they can save time, and then sent them home with the
>> car, and again to pick them up at work, so they can drive two in the car in
>> the fast lane!
>
>
> Create a System and people will immediately find ways
> around it, to exploit it.
>
> In the USA it is not unheard of to exploit multi-passenger
> lanes by using an inflatable doll. Some are very lifelike
> these days - prob bought from some sex site. In California
> you can probably 'identify' as a sex doll and get away with
> it in court :-)

Brilliant!

On 19/12/2024 03:32, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> Oh well, our 'family tree' looks more like an
>   unkempt bush ...

Ain't that the truth.

Well some folks will always dream of 'racial purity' till they get their
DNA analysed.:-)

I dread to think where my ancestors were from.

--
“The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools.”

Herbert Spencer

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 12/18/24 4:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 20:20:41 +0100, D wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting! Very few chechens in sweden. I wonder how on earth sweden
>>> managed to avoid those? I saw in the news the other day that a mosque in
>>> Gothenburg hand't out scarfs to arabian children with terrorist
>>> propaganda against israel.
>>
>> They're rare in the US also.
>>
>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/19/chechens-immigrants-
>> us-population/2097065/
>>
>> Other non-Arab Muslims are more prevalent.
>>
>> https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2019/1028/Refugees-poured-into-my-state.-
>> Here-s-how-it-changed-me
>>
>> I lived in a small Maine town for a couple of years in the late '70s.
>> While it sometimes seemed like a chapter out of a Stephen King novel
>> diversity had not struck.
>>
>> The Somalis were first settled in Atlanta GA which was closer to Somalia's
>> climate than Maine but the Africans didn't get along with the African-
>> Americans very well. It's done wonders for Leweiston's soccer team.
>>
>> I'm not sure how the Somalis wound up in Minnesota. For most of the 19th
>> and early 20th centuries it was the target of Swedes, Norwegians, and
>> Germans.
>
> Maybe they Just Like nordics ?
>
> More likely the nordics there are just more gullible -
> just like in Europe, all into 'sanctuaries' because
> they think it gives them moral brownie points :-)
>

You read my mind!

On Thu, 19 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 12/18/24 2:19 PM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 10:22:36 +0100, D wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ahh.. ok, now I know. "Her books and characters serve as the basis for
>>>> the internationally successful TV series Rebecka Martinsson." I've seen
>>>> an episode or two when visiting Stockholm, since my father really enjoys
>>>> criminal shows.
>>>
>>> I didn't know it had become a TV series. Amazon has it for $18 for the
>>> first year. I'll have to try it when I finish the 'Leverage' series.
>>>
>>> 'Leverage' is sort of apropos. It's a team of grifters and thieves that
>>> take down people like corrupt insurance CEOs. They don't shoot them but
>>> expose them and clean out their accounts to reimburse those that they
>>> screwed.
>>
>> I'm currently watching Pantheon. It is animated, but I find it quite well
>> researched when it comes to the transhumanist theme of mind uploading. I
>> suspect the second season will not be as good as the first, and towards the
>> end the quality dropped. But it has a good start!
>
>
> Alas, like time travel, the more you think about
> 'mind uploading' the more improbable it seems.
> 'Mind' is COMPLICATED ... and there's more than
> just neurons involved. 'Mind' is an 'environment'.

This is the truth! I like transhumanists as much as the next guy, but
sometimes I think their technology optimists comes too close to religion
for my comfort.

Yes, I see no reason that should make uploading impossible, in theory, but
we have no clue about how the mind works, so there could be plenty of
reasons it won't work. Add to that the enormous quantum leap (or multiple
quantum leaps) in technology, before being able to even physically
replicate it. But with the religious, once I try that conversational
track, I am shouted down and bood. =(

So basically, they extrapolate from 1 + 1 = 2, to a billion trillion and
often handwave away the steps in between. That is what makes some of them
religious in my opinion.

> As for "Robin Hoods" - there are many ways of looking
> at that paradigm. Who "deserves" what ... not so easy.

Robin Hoods? You mean stealing from the government and giving to the
people? The eternal libertarian hero?

On Thu, 19 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 23:02:45 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> On 12/18/24 3:15 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 18/12/2024 19:11, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 10:01:12 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 18/12/2024 07:09, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 00:05:27 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      The first known human on the island - a cave fossil named
>>>>>>> 'Cheddar
>>>>>>>      Man' - turned out to be a 'black' African who apparently
>>>>>>> sailed up
>>>>>>>      the Spanish and finally English coast about 10,000 years
>>>>>>>      ago just as the ice age was starting to thaw.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Depending on the exact timing he may have hiked across Doggerland.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well its false anyway, and if coming from Africa Doggerland would not
>>>>> have been a useful route
>>>>
>>>> Exactly why do you think he sailed from Africa? The DNA matches the
>>>> western European hunter gatherers who had be in Europe as long ago as
>>>> 17,000 years BP.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Then why call him a black African...
>>>
>>>> https://www.newscientist.com/article/2161867-ancient-dark-skinned-
> briton-
>>>> cheddar-man-find-may-not-be-true/
>>>>
>>> New scientist is a political magazine. It has no real scientific
>>> content. Its har left antd this is probably part of some 'critical race
>>> theory' bullshit
>>
>>
>> At least partially true ... don't take their stuff at face value,
>> there are clearly agendas mixed in.
>
> I wasn't going to go beyond the paywall ans 12ft.io didn't work for the
> site but from the teaser I was surprised they were floating out the
> possibility the Cheddar Man wasn't as black as painted.
>

Try archive.is/url_to_article. Sometimes that works wonders! I've
integrated it into my rss2email script so my email digests some with that
built in. I have not taken it one step further to actually pull in the
text content from archive.is, but maybe on a rainy day. ;)

On 19/12/2024 05:09, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 23:02:45 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> On 12/18/24 3:15 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>>> New scientist is a political magazine. It has no real scientific
>>> content. Its hard left and this is probably part of some 'critical race
>>> theory' bullshit
>>
>>
>> At least partially true ... don't take their stuff at face value,
>> there are clearly agendas mixed in.
>
> I wasn't going to go beyond the paywall ans 12ft.io didn't work for the
> site but from the teaser I was surprised they were floating out the
> possibility the Cheddar Man wasn't as black as painted.

And he had blue eyes, allegedly.

It seems that light skin is an Asian evolution...and spread westwards
into Europe and eastwards into China and SE Asia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_skin#/media/File:Archaeogenetic_analysis_of_human_skin_pigmentation_in_Europe_(with_Asia_geographic_extension).png

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