On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 21:38:03 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> A CIA advisory now lists Sweden as kinda dangerous.
> Islamist thugs and gangs now routinely prey on the weak. Women are
> more reluctant to go out on the streets at night.

The Danes got their revenge. Their immigration policy is 'The bridge is
that way. Keep moving.'

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 20:50:56 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:

> The salary that goes into the retirement account is NOT taxed (the
> contribution is tax deductible in the year it is earned) but when you
> take money out later, the withdrawals are taxable income. Not so
> unfair.

True, but you are forced to take money out. The assumption is at 73 you
will have a lower rate than during your working years. Unfortunately for
me I was still gainfully employed. My billable hours are down this year so
I'll see how that plays out.

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 21:46:46 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> "No Denomination" is different from 'unbeliever'.
> To the BSA it suggests that you are 'religious', probably Xian.

The BSA has a number of religious emblems that you can work for like 'Ad
Altare Dei' for Catholics. I floated out the Sangha idea but it didn't
fly.

https://www.scouting.org/awards/religious-awards/chart/

I guess they haven't gotten around to a Wicca or Asatru emblem yet.

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 21:14:13 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> FYI ... Norway, Sweden, Finland and often Denmark are generically
> referred to as "The Nordics". There is enough shared culture &
> history to kinda make them a distinctive cultural group.

Sort of. Finland was conquered during the Northern Crusades but the
Russians grabbed the area during the Finnish War. At that point
nationalists revived Finnish which isn't an Indo-European language.
Tolkien loved Finnish and the Kaleval because it virgin territory compared
to the heavily mined Volsunga saga, Nibelungenlied, and so forth.

And then there is Denmark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqgRC5sfCaQ

When filing 'The Bridge (Bron/Broen, not the US remake) the cast had both
Danes and Swedes and had its moments too.

According to 23andMe, I would fit right in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I-M253

On 2024-12-16, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 10:58:52 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> What!? Aren't they about nature and stuff? Or are they a religious
>> organization in the US?
>
> A little bit but the troop I was in didn't take it seriously. We met in
> the basement of the Dutch Reformed church but that didn't mean anything
> other than it was a more suitable meeting space than the Catholic church
> had.
>
> Many years later the LDS became very active in scouting locally and
> sponsored a couple of troops, Some of my neighbors wouldn't let their kids
> join from fear that they would come home converted. I'm not sure what the
> LDS is doing now that the Boy Scouts became coed. I know they didn't buy
> into the idea. Maybe they have their own fork.

Discontinued sponsoring [Boy] Scout troops a few years ago.

--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

On 2024-12-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 15/12/2024 04:57, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> "seems close enough"
>>   is NOT good enough. Planes, spacecraft, bridges, huge
>>   buildings, medical implants - GOTTA refine with the
>>   hard-core/hard-math tools.
>
> I think you would be aghast at how "seems good enough" guides most
> engineering design.
>
> No-one accurately measures every single component that goes into a design.
>
> At best they do a full test on the final product.
>
> There is always room for the black swan unit where all the tolerances
> were exactly the wrong way.
>
> In general it is cheaper to simply scrap that one, or if it escapes into
> the wild, give the customer a replacement.
>
> The development algorithm of the racing Cosworth V8 was "remove metal
> till it breaks, then put that bit back again".
>
> And we can only calculate what we thought of. Some failure modes are
> completely unexpected.
>
> Some of the most durable civil engineering was done by Victorian
> engineers who were not able to do the calculations. Their conservative
> over-enginering resulted in structures that stand good even to day.
>
> Admittedly their failures are long gone :-( (Tay bridge, any one?)

Don't have chapter and verse on a source, but I understand some
sources say the reason Roman civil engineering created such
durable structures was because the engineer who designed each
arch was required to stand underneath it while the scaffolding
was removed. The engineers who didn't over-engineer their arches
didn't design many of them.

The thought of doing long division in Roman numerals fills me
with dread--let along manually doing finite element analysis.

--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>>> This is a very good point! I read today that a 21 day ban on smartphones in
>>> UK schools resulted in better psychological health/well being, and better
>>> sleep, and a 3% memory improvement.
>>
>> Today's kiddies are plagued by 'social' and political
>> BS which constantly tries to twist their brains into
>> knots. For SM it means PROFIT ... for political interests
>> it's produced a gen of near-psychotics which can be
>> twisted around the proverbial finger.
>
> This is the truth. I see it in the class room every single day. If the exam is
> hard, they would never dream of working harder or study more. Instead they
> complain to the school that the teacher is evil, and refuse to take the exam
> until it is made easier.

I wonder how some of these pansies would have responded to the digital
logic design exams I had long ago in university. The prof. told
everyone the rules up front: open book, open notes, and the kicker: an
exam suitable for a 70min period, but we had 50min to take it.

After the first one, I worked out why the "70min in 50min time slot".
The digital logic design problems that were suitable for a pencil and
paper exam had a hard complexity knee at about the 4-5 bits point. 4-5
bits or less and one could solve the Karnaugh maps on paper by hand.
And even 5 bits was 'pushing it', paper complexity wise. Anything
beyond was in the realm of "you now need a computer solver for this".
So all the problems on the exams ended up being /easy enough/
(relatively speaking) that 50min of problems in 50min of exam time
meant that nearly the entire class would score 95+ (out of 100). So to
separate out those who truly understood from those just getting by
required "too many problems" to solve in time. The good students had
no problem finishing a 70min exam in 50 minutes and scoring 95+ on them
(myself and another classmate named Scott proved that fact). The "ok"
students would get most of the exam done, and score in the 75-90 range.
And the actual mediocre students would be the ones scoring the sub 75
scores because they cracked open the book (and if you needed to crack
open the book, it meant you were not going to score well on the exam,
making the whole "open book, open note" rule moot).

There was bitching and moaning on the part of the mediocre students
after each exam, but nothing changed because of their bitching and
moaning.

On 17 Dec 2024 04:34:14 GMT, Robert Riches wrote:

> The thought of doing long division in Roman numerals fills me with
> dread--let along manually doing finite element analysis.

I wonder how many little tricks they had? I've worked with carpenters who
didn't know squat about the Pythagorean theorem or Euclidean geometry but
they certainly knew about 3-4-5 triangles and such.

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, John Ames wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 19:45:03 +0100
> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like the clowns who acquired SUSE linux. Absolute disaster. It
>> is very strange that those types of people are earning the amount of
>> money they do.
>>
>> Surely it must only be about finding the greater fool, and nothing
>> about actually creating value.
>
> It absolutely is, where "finding the greater fool" is defined as
> "juicing the numbers just long enough to pull off an IPO, and scampering
> off before the resulting twisted steroid mutant collapses into flaming
> ruin."

This is why I never participate in IPO:s. Much better to wait for the
small initial uptick, and then potentially buy once the lipstick comes off
the pig.

> Unfortunately, this model is absolutely *epidemic* these days (in the
> US, at least.) Ed Zitron - https://www.wheresyoured.at/ - has written
> quite a bit in the last few years about the deleterious effects this
> has had on the tech industry.

This is not so good. This abuse of capitalism is what gives life to the
left.

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 11:56:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> What else could they do? Kill 30% of the nation for having cheered
>> Hitler on? For believing in German racial supremacy and the subhuman
>> nature of Romanians Jews Poles and other Bolsheviks?
>
> Considering Brits have their own opinions on subhumans they were in as
> weak a position as the US explaining to von Braun's crew why blacks were
> completely segregated in Alabama.

Don't say that he's hypocritical
Say rather that he's apolitical
"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?
That's not my department!" says Wernher von Braun. ;)

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 10:38:58 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Hm, doesn't ring a bell. A quick search only got me finnish books for
>> some reason.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85sa_Larsson
>
> I see most of them are now in English translations. Germans love their
> Schwedenkrimi so there's often a German translation first that is
> available on Kindle. It keeps my German familiarity from vanishing
> completely.
>

Ahh.. ok, now I know. "Her books and characters serve as the basis for the
internationally successful TV series Rebecka Martinsson." I've seen an
episode or two when visiting Stockholm, since my father really enjoys
criminal shows.

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 10:37:27 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Ahhh... the land of the free! We'll see if the long term plans work out.
>> If so, when I retire, I'm coming! Sadly a lot can happen between now and
>> then, but that's part of the charm.
>
> Choose carefully. Some parts of the land of the free aren't very free.
>

Oh yes... I'm starting to realize. There's a prison called California, I
have heard very sinister things about it!

No... rural, red and bible tumping generally seems to be the recipe when
it comes to finding the more free areas of the home of the brave and land
of the free.

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 11:51:27 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> In Europe the EU is completely clueless and even the UK which had re
>> temerity to leave it is now being led back into it my a man who thinks
>> men can have a vagina.
>
> Scholz got his vote of no confidence. It will be interesting to see how
> that plays out. Apparently the CDU head isn't a EU fan.
>

A colleague at one of my current consulting gigs was very happy to see the
coalition bust, and joined the green party the next day.

My prediction is a destruction of the socialists, enormous leaps forward
for the greens, the extreme left and right, and I suspect they will end up
with a christian democrat minority government.

I doubt, but would be positively surprised, if they would end up with the
swedish model of a center government with support from the
nationalist/extreme right.

I think germany is still too scared of the right to do something like
that, although it was worked fairly ok in the swedish government
constellation, with a good "give and take" between the center and the
nationalist right.

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 01:52:06 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> Oh, the Boy Scouts wouldn't let me in because I was an unbeliever ...
>> but I kinda understood that. They had their agenda.
>
> I don't remember any vetting for the Boy Scouts. When I claimed no
> denomination in boot camp the DI said 'I'm a Catholic. You're now
> Catholic.' It wasn't about religious belief per se. A time slot was
> scheduled on Sunday for services and everyone had to be accounted for. I
> don't think there were any Jews or they would have found themselves
> Christian too. As far as Muslims, the .45 ACP 1911 pistol came to be
> because Muslims were too hard to kill with a .38.

Really?! Why was that? Did they have too thick skulls? ;)

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, Lars Poulsen wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 23:09:13 +0100, D wrote:
> D> Ahh... the land of the free! Try 31% in sweden or around 20% where I am
> D> now. Oh, and the 31% has a cap, so you only get part of that to fund
> D> your own retirement. The rest goes to happy arabians!
>
> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
> rb> There is a yearly maximum for the SS tax, which gets raised frequently. It
> rb> was nice to max out and have a few weeks without the deduction at the end
> rb> of the year. The current cap is $168,600 so I would guess the majority of
> rb> the workers don't see those bonus weeks anymore.
>
> On 2024-12-16, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> Jesus! I thought it was only in sweden. Well, as you say it's 168k, so I
>> imagine that the majority of people in the US never hit the cap.
>
> rb> Of course your benefits are taxed. Some states don't tax SS benefits but
> rb> this one does so both the Feds and the state have their hands out. Then if
> rb> you have an IRA or other retirement account there is a required minimum
> rb> distribution yearly which is taxed when you hit 73.
>
>> Of course it is taxed! ;) And your private retirement savings are taxed as
>> well, so a nice double tax. First the salary, and then you save it, and it
>> is of course taxed again at withdrawal.
>
> The salary that goes into the retirement account is NOT taxed (the
> contribution is tax deductible in the year it is earned) but when you
> take money out later, the withdrawals are taxable income. Not so
> unfair.
>
>> If you're content to wait until you are at least 55 to withdraw money, you
>> can start a retirement foundation. The gross assets are taxed with a flat
>> tax of 0.3% or so every year, regardless of if the assets shrink or grow.
>> And in return you can withdraw your retirement savings for free. This is
>> not very well known, and I have never heard of a company that offers this.
>
> So an after-tax savings account. How is this different from an ordinary
> savings account ... I guess the difference is that the interest is
> tax-free? Sweden special!

The difference is that in an ordinary savings account, you put in taxed
money. In this type of account, your company can put in gross earnings,
have the capital gains being taxed at only 0.3% (ish) flat fee per year,
and then when you, the employee, withdraw it, it's taxed as retirement
income.

If you put in your taxed savings into a "kapitalförsäkring" you can
withdraw the money tax free, but the flat tax is higher, it's currently
0,888% for 2025.

How did you do the rb/D quoting? Do you have a script for that? It was
very beautiful.

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 10:58:52 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> What!? Aren't they about nature and stuff? Or are they a religious
>> organization in the US?
>
> A little bit but the troop I was in didn't take it seriously. We met in
> the basement of the Dutch Reformed church but that didn't mean anything
> other than it was a more suitable meeting space than the Catholic church
> had.
>
> Many years later the LDS became very active in scouting locally and
> sponsored a couple of troops, Some of my neighbors wouldn't let their kids
> join from fear that they would come home converted. I'm not sure what the
> LDS is doing now that the Boy Scouts became coed. I know they didn't buy
> into the idea. Maybe they have their own fork.
>

Yes, I would imagine they have their own. I like the idea of still having
activities for only men and women. I think those types of spaces are
severely lacking in todays society, and i think they are extremely
beneficial for the development of young men and women.

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 10:41:17 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Had no idea! Sad that you swerved from the northern europe policy. I
>> thin the US would have a lot less problems today if you would have
>> remained a bit more selective with the immigration.
>
> Hell, yes.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965
>
> Emmanuel Celler and his shabbas goy, Hart got it passed. The ADL was
> pushing it. Handlin ghost wrote Kennedy's pamphlet.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Handlin
>
> Johnson was in panic mode as the blacks burned down US cities. Parasites
> prefer the host weakened but not dead.

Fascinating! Thank you for sharing!

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, Lars Poulsen wrote:

> On 2024-12-16, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> The EU
>> politicians have set themselves up as a new nobility. They get lifetime
>> pensions after 1 or 2 terms in office, they get a huge part of their
>> salaries tax free, they get free business travel, taxi, free apartments,
>> and of course, legal immunity. I cannot for the life of me imagine how
>> come the public hasn't rebelled at the revolting life styles and benefits
>> they have awarded themselves. And they then have the stomach to complain
>> and call entrepreneurs "greedy".
>
> US politicians also get a pension after a term in office (although I
> think it is quite modest if they serve only one term).

This is "what aboutism" and is irrelevant to the question. Equally wrong
if you ask me.

> Lots of people that work outside of their official country of residence
> get some benefits tax free.

The norm is that you get cover for additional expenses. Not a life of
luxury at the tax payer expense and the opportunity to become
independently wealthy on tax money.

> Travel mandated by the employer (so-called business travel) is usually
> paid by the employer.

Yep... economy is fine. No need for private jets and business class.

> There may be some exploitation, but most of the things you mention do
> not seem outrageous to me.

_Some_? Are you insane? I think you have lived too long in the US and are
not aware of the revolting excesses of the new EU nobility. Either that,
or you're 100% danish. ;)

I find the level of their salaries, the fact, that after one term (or
possibly two) they are set for life _on tax payer money_ completely
revolting.

This creates an incentive to get only politicians who care about money,
and no politician who cares about anything else.

The politicians should by law not earn any more than the average citizen
of the country the represent. They should not have immunity and should be
judged accordsing to the same laws as the citizens. This is just basic
democracy.

Only socialists seem to want to avoid this, but since socialists are an
authoritarian breed in sheeps clothing, it is understandable.

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 00:04:19 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> On 12/15/24 5:10 PM, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 14:08:24 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My boss and I looked out and saw that there were no engineer jobs
>>>>> available in town; LM Ericsson had just closed their US Internet
>>>>> group and put 300 Internet engineers on the street. So he asked if I
>>>>> would be willing to join him in a startup.
>>>>
>>>> A friend got caught in the Marconi to Ericcson transition. It was fun
>>>> while it lasted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Ahh Ericsson... the only company on the planet that makes the
>>> government look and feel like a startup with hipsters!
>>
>> Hey - Nordic - a different way of thinking. Don't be a bigot now :-)
>
> Hey, Nordic Semiconductor does fine work -- but they're Norwegians, not
> Swedes.
>

Ok, if you push me, let me give you some examples of companies I
like... Hmm... ok, I'd say Concentric is a swedish company that does good
work. And possibly, for the consumer/SMB space, Fortnox. Most, if not all,
the brands we all know and love, peaked many decades ago.

There are two neobanks, Avanza and Nordnet who are just about to take
their first stumbling steps outside of the swedish market. They are quite
alright as well.

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 12/16/24 4:18 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 00:04:19 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/15/24 5:10 PM, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 15 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 14:08:24 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My boss and I looked out and saw that there were no engineer jobs
>>>>>> available in town; LM Ericsson had just closed their US Internet
>>>>>> group and put 300 Internet engineers on the street. So he asked if I
>>>>>> would be willing to join him in a startup.
>>>>>
>>>>> A friend got caught in the Marconi to Ericcson transition. It was fun
>>>>> while it lasted.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Ahh Ericsson... the only company on the planet that makes the
>>>> government look and feel like a startup with hipsters!
>>>
>>> Hey - Nordic - a different way of thinking. Don't be a bigot now :-)
>>
>> Hey, Nordic Semiconductor does fine work -- but they're Norwegians, not
>> Swedes.
>
>
> FYI ... Norway, Sweden, Finland and often Denmark are
> generically referred to as "The Nordics". There is
> enough shared culture & history to kinda make them a
> distinctive cultural group.

Don't trust the danish! They are very tricky people. They invaded sweden
once, and we're constantly watching them, in case they will try it again!
As for the rest, they are good people, although the norwegian are the most
lazy people on the planet.

> As for the BUSINESS SENSIBILITY of Ericsson, well ...

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 12/16/24 4:41 AM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 23:01:58 +0100, D wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, and the swedish socialist party was very much into eugenics. Also
>>>> something that they are working hard to bury in some distant, dusty
>>>> corridor of history.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell
>>>
>>> "Three generations of imbeciles are enough"
>>>
>>> https://womanisrational.uchicago.edu/2022/09/21/margaret-sanger-the-
>>> duality-of-a-ambitious-feminist-and-racist-eugenicist/
>>>
>>> There are facets of Margaret Sanger, the patron saint of Planned
>>> parenthood, that the left would rather forget.
>>>
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/feb/06/race.usa
>>>
>>> It's a Guardian review of Black's book but I've read the same in other
>>> sources. Besides the eugenics programs of the '20s and '30s US immigration
>>> law heavily favored northern Europeans. They threw that out in '65 so here
>>> we are now.
>>
>> Ahh, the left is so cute. They can do no wrong, and when inconvenient facts
>> are pointed out, you are cancelled, or the facts are "fake news". ;)
>>
>> Had no idea! Sad that you swerved from the northern europe policy. I thin
>> the US would have a lot less problems today if you would have remained a
>> bit more selective with the immigration.
>>
>> On the other hand, the master of chaotic and detrimental immigration is of
>> course sweden!
>>
>> This is a classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOGe02pjE-g .
>
>
> A CIA advisory now lists Sweden as kinda dangerous.
> Islamist thugs and gangs now routinely prey on the
> weak. Women are more reluctant to go out on the
> streets at night.

This is the truth. You won't of course find any mention of it in the
mainstream media, but if you talk to the commoners this is the mainstream
opinion in the cities among the lower and middle classes.

If you ever go to Stockholm, stay within the city center, and only walk on
the well lit mainstreets at night.

I've have several friends who got mugged or assaulted at night in the city
center by the arabian gangs.

As a short sighted way to combat this, the current center/nationalist
government is working hard to create a surveillance state of chinese
proportions to combat this.

It is legal for the police to tap any phone or computer now, and I think
as of 1/1 2025 anonymous witnesses are allowed, and the police can also
declare an area a "high risk" area, and then have the right to search you
without suspicion.

They will also remove a lot of barriers to camera surveillance in 2025.
Boy am I glad I no longer live in sweden! =D

On Tue, 17 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 21:38:03 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> A CIA advisory now lists Sweden as kinda dangerous.
>> Islamist thugs and gangs now routinely prey on the weak. Women are
>> more reluctant to go out on the streets at night.
>
> The Danes got their revenge. Their immigration policy is 'The bridge is
> that way. Keep moving.'

Hahaha... 100% true! I remember several years ago, it was found out that
danish politicians actually paid for train tickets for arabians and sent
them along to sweden. Absolutely hilarious! I'm telling you, never trust
the danish! ;)

On 16/12/2024 20:28, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 11:56:59 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> What else could they do? Kill 30% of the nation for having cheered
>> Hitler on? For believing in German racial supremacy and the subhuman
>> nature of Romanians Jews Poles and other Bolsheviks?
>
> Considering Brits have their own opinions on subhumans

We dont have subhumans

they were in as
> weak a position as the US explaining to von Braun's crew why blacks were
> completely segregated in Alabama.
>

--
Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.

On 16/12/2024 21:20, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 2024-12-16, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> I used to design Mil Spec hardware where we had a giant chest
>> freezer to take all the kit down to -25°C to ensure it still worked.
>
> I could have sworn it was required to run at -40 degrees (C or F, same
> thing). My little company of "4 guys in a garage" has a chamber where we
> can test from -40 to +70 C. (Got it for free. A friend at a large
> defense contractor company nearby alerted us when they got a new one and
> put their old one out in the parking lot for the trash collector to pick
> up.)

My bad. - it was -40°C to *+125°C*

It was a long time ago. More than 50 years now. FFS.

--
Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead
to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

On 17/12/2024 09:23, D wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 10:37:27 +0100, D wrote:
>>
>>> Ahhh... the land of the free! We'll see if the long term plans work out.
>>> If so, when I retire, I'm coming! Sadly a lot can happen between now and
>>> then, but that's part of the charm.
>>
>> Choose carefully. Some parts of the land of the free aren't very free.
>>
>
> Oh yes... I'm starting to realize. There's a prison called California, I
> have heard very sinister things about it!
>
> No... rural, red and bible tumping generally seems to be the recipe when
> it comes to finding the more free areas of the home of the brave and
> land of the free.

Yep. I am not religious, but I'd rather live in Utah or Montana that
California, these days.

--
Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.