On 18/12/2024 19:34, D wrote:
> When asked about beautiful women in the UK the ginger man said they are
> horrible, drink too much beer, get drunk and then fight each other.
>
> Is this true?

It has been known....
--
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
foolish, and by the rulers as useful.

(Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 19:51:53 +0100, D wrote:

> This is the truth! I have nothing against the mormons I meet. I think
> perhaps they are more afraid to discuss philosophy with me, than I am of
> them!

Once they get past the missionary phase. It's been years since they
ventured into my part of the woods but I opened the door to find three
Mormonettes. The guys go in pairs but apparently they think they need
three for the girls.

Evanston Wyoming has a rather nice historical museum. Like most of the
railroad towns the Chinese played a large part. I called an exhibit to the
attention of a Chinese woman that I thought might interest her. We got to
talking and eventually went out to a picnic table. She asked if I knew
anything about my ancestry, which I took to be a Chinese thing. Nope, she
was a Mormon and they're big on genealogy so they can retroactively
baptize their ancestors. She was headed to Salt Lake as was I and she
invited me to attend a service with her. She was cute, but I passed.

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 20:20:41 +0100, D wrote:

> Interesting! Very few chechens in sweden. I wonder how on earth sweden
> managed to avoid those? I saw in the news the other day that a mosque in
> Gothenburg hand't out scarfs to arabian children with terrorist
> propaganda against israel.

They're rare in the US also.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/19/chechens-immigrants-
us-population/2097065/

Other non-Arab Muslims are more prevalent.

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2019/1028/Refugees-poured-into-my-state.-
Here-s-how-it-changed-me

I lived in a small Maine town for a couple of years in the late '70s.
While it sometimes seemed like a chapter out of a Stephen King novel
diversity had not struck.

The Somalis were first settled in Atlanta GA which was closer to Somalia's
climate than Maine but the Africans didn't get along with the African-
Americans very well. It's done wonders for Leweiston's soccer team.

I'm not sure how the Somalis wound up in Minnesota. For most of the 19th
and early 20th centuries it was the target of Swedes, Norwegians, and
Germans.

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 20:17:49 +0100, D wrote:

> Brings back good memories of debating abortion with good, honest, god
> fearing republicans when I was studying one year in Chicago.

I avoid that topic. I will say when my wife called me at work one day and
said 'I think I'm pregnant.', my first thoughts weren't 'Wonderful! I'll
be a father!' False alarm.

> Divide and conquer! Do you not fear the the protestants will unite?

Not a chance. Even the mainline denominations are splitting up.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/20/united-methodist-
congregations-lgbtq-same-sex-marriage-ban

That's often a factor although there can be more arcane reasons. The
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is the largest but there is also
the second largest Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod that goes back to 1847
with roots in the Kingdom of Saxony and ultimately goes back to how
seriously they take the 1580 'Book of Concord'.

Many of the evangelical churches are more about personalities than
theology. A friend who died last year used to fill me in on the various
scandals and schisms on the local scene. His flavor was 'Smith's Friends'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunstad_Christian_Church

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 19:54:30 +0100, D wrote:

> Yes, this is the important truth that all mainstream politicians of
> today have completely forgotten. The first mainstream politician to
> rediscover this fact, will probably be a successful mainstream
> politician.

Bill Clinton got a lot of miles out of James Carville's 'It's the
economy, stupid.'

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 20:09:00 +0100, D wrote:

> Interesting! I thought the secret behind the norse berserkers, were
> their militantly feminist wives. Once they managed to go on a roadtrip
> (or boat trip) they could finally release all their bottled up anger!

You may be on to something.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyd%C3%ADs_Eir%C3%ADksd%C3%B3ttir

She would make a a long trip to Miklagard very appealing. fwiw I gave up
on Netflix's reboot of 'Vikings: Valhalla' after two episodes. Freydis and
Leif showing up in the fictional Kattegat run by the black female jarl
jumped more sharks than there are in the South Pacific.

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 19:11:53 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> It was supposed to be amanita muscaria intoxication.
> Except that doesn't make people violent

Henbane has been mentioned too. Gruit made with henbane, marsh rosemary,
and other potentially psychoactive substances must have made for
interesting barroom fights. Supposedly the purity act substituted hops for
its calming, an-aphrodisiac effects. I wonder how the IPA craze works into
that?

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 20:12:49 +0100, D wrote:

> What is fun being an IT guy, is that apparently I do not look like I
> belong in business class. So on that tedious flight to japan, I had to
> go on a walk to stretch my legs. So 2-3 times I walk the length of the
> plane.
> I went to the back, then went to the front, and the flight attendant
> stopped me, and said I had to go back to economy class and that this was
> for business only.

I've never fit the profile. I think it was '69 when my wife and I were
flying out of Memphis. I had a beard, ponytail, and leather jacket and she
sort of looked like a hippy chick. The stewardess came back to us barely
able to suppress her giggles. "The lady up there thinks you're going to
hijack the plane to Cuba. You aren't going to, are you?"

Many years later the beard and ponytail are sort of gray and I have a
different leather jacket but not much else has changed.

That's my problem with the new sardine cans. I can barely walk when it's
time to deplane and that's on a two or three hour domestic flight.

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 20:34:20 +0100, D wrote:

> Then I had a colleague who was ginger, and it was acceptable and
> expected to make fun of him. Of course I heartily joined!
>
> When asked about beautiful women in the UK the ginger man said they are
> horrible, drink too much beer, get drunk and then fight each other.

It was a very long time ago when I read Donleavy's 'The Ginger Man'. That
put a different twist on it.

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 20:28:59 +0100, D wrote:

> My favourite Bergman is Fanny och Alexander. Det sjunde inseglet is
> quite alright as well

I've never seen 'Fanny och Alexander'. 'The Seventh Seal' was a bit
weird. I vaguely recall 'Höstsonaten' and 'Vargtimmen'. 'Jungfrukällan'
is the only one I've seen relatively recently.

Have you seen 'Kristin Lavransdatter'? I was reminded of it because of
Liv Ullmann.

On 12/18/24 2:31 PM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>>  take many forms.
>>
>>  And Novo Nordisk is like 60% of the economy ... one
>>  little glitch there and .......
>>
>
> This is the truth! Novo nordisk, maers and tuborg/carlsberg. Remove
> those, and
> you have removed all of denmarks economy.

There's an old adage about eggs and baskets ...

At least those three industries are 'diverse', so
one COULD fail without everyone starving.

It should probably be NN since nobody there will
need Ozempic when they're half-starving :-)

On 12/18/24 2:09 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 00:05:27 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> The first known human on the island - a cave fossil named 'Cheddar
>> Man' - turned out to be a 'black' African who apparently sailed up
>> the Spanish and finally English coast about 10,000 years ago just as
>> the ice age was starting to thaw.
>
> Depending on the exact timing he may have hiked across Doggerland.

Possible - though Cheddar is in the southwest, long walk.

The last specks of Doggerland are now going under and will
probably remain that way for thousands of years unless we
get another a meteor hit and everything re-freezes.

On 12/18/24 5:01 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 18/12/2024 07:09, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 00:05:27 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>
>>>     The first known human on the island - a cave fossil named 'Cheddar
>>>     Man' - turned out to be a 'black' African who apparently sailed up
>>>     the Spanish and finally English coast about 10,000 years ago just as
>>>     the ice age was starting to thaw.
>>
>> Depending on the exact timing he may have hiked across Doggerland.
>
> Well its false anyway, and if coming from Africa Doggerland would not
> have been a useful route

It is also said he was 'west Euro' - although
that's a vague def, and the Beaker People upset
the whole equation later on. People Stuff is
always messy.

Thing is, there have been odd genetic/physiotype
mixes found from around those times. Likely the
ice melt encouraged a lot of people to wander
around.

On 12/18/24 2:11 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 10:01:12 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 18/12/2024 07:09, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 00:05:27 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> The first known human on the island - a cave fossil named 'Cheddar
>>>> Man' - turned out to be a 'black' African who apparently sailed up
>>>> the Spanish and finally English coast about 10,000 years ago just
>>>> as the ice age was starting to thaw.
>>>
>>> Depending on the exact timing he may have hiked across Doggerland.
>>
>> Well its false anyway, and if coming from Africa Doggerland would not
>> have been a useful route
>
> Exactly why do you think he sailed from Africa? The DNA matches the
> western European hunter gatherers who had be in Europe as long ago as
> 17,000 years BP.
>
> https://www.newscientist.com/article/2161867-ancient-dark-skinned-briton-
> cheddar-man-find-may-not-be-true/
>
> The rest of the article is pay walled but if you read other sources there
> is waffling on the skin color although 'black' generates better headlines.
> Even Wikipedia is more balanced.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_hunter-gatherer#Physical_appearance
>
> When you're looking for specific alleles of SLC24A5 and SLC45A2 in ancient
> DNA there is room for interpretation.
>
> https://phys.org/news/2023-08-ancient-ape-trkiye-story-human.html
>
> Chris Stringer's Just So stories may become yesterday's news. Wolpoff and
> Caspari challenged that theory about 30 years ago, partially because
> Stringer's time line wasn't realistic.
>
> Perhaps they will revisit the M haplogroup which has long been an anomaly.
> The Just So story says L3 left Africa and mutated to M subclades of which
> are common in Asia, including the Indian subcontinent. Except M1, which
> is found in North Africa. Did some M people on their way to Japan get
> homesick and go back to Africa?

Note the Wiki also says the phenotype is more typical
of northern Africa and that the amount of DNA to be
had kinda left some holes in the analysis.

I think that as the weather improved a lot of people
went walkabout - resulting in a many odd mixtures
that eventually blended into a 'normal'.

DNA and other ID tech keeps improving, so we're bound
to find a lot of unexpected relationships and lost
cousins. Just recently they found remains of what
was probably the first wave to push into Neanderthal
occupied Europe ... which, don't appear to have
made it long-term. Second wave was bigger.

Oh well, our 'family tree' looks more like an
unkempt bush ... and nobody is yet sure where
Erectus fits in as they preferred tropical climes
and those are terrible for DNA preservation.
LIKELY some are mixed into the south asian
population.

On 12/18/24 3:15 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 18/12/2024 19:11, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 10:01:12 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 18/12/2024 07:09, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 00:05:27 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>      The first known human on the island - a cave fossil named
>>>>> 'Cheddar
>>>>>      Man' - turned out to be a 'black' African who apparently
>>>>> sailed up
>>>>>      the Spanish and finally English coast about 10,000 years ago just
>>>>>      as the ice age was starting to thaw.
>>>>
>>>> Depending on the exact timing he may have hiked across Doggerland.
>>>
>>> Well its false anyway, and if coming from Africa Doggerland would not
>>> have been a useful route
>>
>> Exactly why do you think he sailed from Africa? The DNA matches the
>> western European hunter gatherers who had be in Europe as long ago as
>> 17,000 years BP.
>>
>
> Then why call him a black African...
>
>> https://www.newscientist.com/article/2161867-ancient-dark-skinned-briton-
>> cheddar-man-find-may-not-be-true/
>>
> New scientist is a political magazine. It has no real scientific
> content. Its har left antd this is probably part of some 'critical race
> theory' bullshit

At least partially true ... don't take their stuff
at face value, there are clearly agendas mixed in.

Used to take the biggies - Science and Nature - but
eventually lost the patience to read through them.
Sigma Xi's "American Scientist" is more friendly.

And FORGET "Scientific American" - first it dumbed-down
a bit and then went far left and I don't think it can be
redeemed. Extinction followed by a name-ripoff resurrection
is the only hope. Such a pity.

But ... in the CURRENT POLITICAL CLIMATE ... is it
even possible to have a relatively 'objective'
science source ? I see every color of glasses -
except Clear.

>> The rest of the article is pay walled but if you read other sources there
>> is waffling on the skin color although 'black' generates better
>> headlines.
>> Even Wikipedia is more balanced.
>>
> Exactly
>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_hunter-gatherer#Physical_appearance
>>
>> When you're looking for specific alleles of SLC24A5 and SLC45A2 in
>> ancient
>> DNA there is room for interpretation.
>>
>> https://phys.org/news/2023-08-ancient-ape-trkiye-story-human.html
>>
>> Chris Stringer's Just So stories may become yesterday's news. Wolpoff and
>> Caspari challenged that theory about 30 years ago, partially because
>> Stringer's time line wasn't realistic.
>>
>> Perhaps they will revisit the M haplogroup which has long been an
>> anomaly.
>> The Just So story says L3 left Africa and mutated to M subclades of which
>> are common in Asia, including the Indian subcontinent.  Except M1, which
>> is found in North Africa. Did some M people on their way to Japan get
>> homesick and go back to Africa?
>>
> Every body wandered around and banged anything that moved.

EXACTLY ! :-)

The more they trace the 'tree' the more obvious
that becomes. The Victorians would be SHOCKED.

On 12/18/24 5:00 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 18/12/2024 05:05, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> On 12/17/24 4:41 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 10:28:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Danes are Germans with a seasick accent.
>>>> Did you know they are so socialist that every baby has a line tattooed
>>>> on its head at birth "This way up"
>>>
>>> The Danes improved the British gene pool.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danelaw
>>>
>>
>>    Agreed there ... the old Brits were an ugly lot  :-)
>>
>>    Actually, hard to tell what a "Brit" actually IS.
>>    It's one of those countries occupied/invaded by
>>    SO many entities over the ages that nobody really
>>    has a claim.
>>
>>    The first known human on the island - a cave fossil
>>    named 'Cheddar Man' - turned out to be a 'black'
>>    African who apparently sailed up the Spanish and
>>    finally English coast about 10,000 years ago just
>>    as the ice age was starting to thaw.
>>
>>    Oldest living lines ... probably somewhere in Wales.
>
> I think the red woman is the oldest - pre ice age.
>
> 1." Dating to around 480,000 years ago during the Middle Pleistocene,
> the Boxgrove fossils are the oldest human remains discovered in the UK
> and were identified as most likely belonging to the ancient human
> species Homo heidelbergensis."
>
> But not homo sap.

Details .... :-)

HH was surely as smart as we are - maybe a bit more.

But, strictly, not 'human' (whatever THAT means).

Some extra-large-brain subsubspecies has also recently
been found in China (unless they made it all up for
propaganda reasons).

STILL very curious about Erectus. They fit in
SOMEWHERE - were contemporary with HSS and HSN.

Saw an article very recently in one of the science
pages ... sez that Euro Neanderthals, near the end,
had become a very distinct species and could no longer
interbreed with HSS. We'll see. Oh well, HSN still
kinda lives on .....

I think they DO have enough DNA to reconstruct
Neanderthals now ... but the method would be
ethically questionable (ergo the Chinese will
probably be the ones to do it - their view of
ethics is, well, a little different).

> 2." Our own species is a relative newcomer to Britain. The earliest
> direct evidence is a jaw fragment found in Kent's Cavern, Devon.
> Scientific analysis estimated it to be at least 40,000 years old."
>
> No mention of skin colours or ethnicity is made and none are available.
> Fair skin and blue eyes are simply adaptation to low levels of sunlight.

Light skin/eyes were apparently acquired from the Neanderthals
and then amplified by both environmental and sexual selection.

> For thousands of years the presence of modern humans in Britain remained
> brief and sporadic. It has only been continuous since about 12,000 years
> ago.

Probably rates as one of the worlds "Most Invaded" places.
Don't think anybody can make a really solid "historical
claim" on England.

On 12/18/24 2:24 PM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 10:49:05 +0100, D wrote:
>>
>>> Don't trust the danish! They are very tricky people. They invaded sweden
>>> once, and we're constantly watching them, in case they will try it
>>> again! As for the rest, they are good people, although the norwegian are
>>> the most lazy people on the planet.
>>
>> I read an article a while back that many young Swedes went to Norway when
>> they couldn't find work at home. They found employment peeling bananas.
>>
>> https://www.ateriet.com/banos-spreadable-banana-taste-test/
>
> This is the truth! Well, I don't know about the banana business, but
> many low paying service jobs in norway, that the norwegians don't want
> to do are filled with swedish youth, who in comparison, are seen as
> diligent and hart working!
>
> Also swedish nurses double their salaries when moving to norway, and
> sweden backfills with arabians who hardly speak the language. There have
> been many examples of old people not understanding what their arabian
> doctor or nurse are saying.
>
> The good thing is that the current center/nationalist government I think
> made it possible for old people to demand to have a doctor they can
> understand. Under the previous socialist government, this was seen as
> racist and possibly punished.
>
>> I've been known to mash a banana on bread but this seems a bit extreme.
>>
>> I wonder what Norway will do when the North Sea oil fields dry up?
>
> The country will collapse back into a being a small fishing village. ;)
> Once norway proposed to trade part of its oil fields for shares in
> Volvo. Sweden, at the height of its modern power, laughed and refused.
> It makes me very sad. =(
>
>> I did find it amusing that Norway housed some of its immigrants in an off
>> season resort -- somewhere north of the Arctic Circle. Welcome to sunny
>> Norway!
>
> Sounds just like norway! Another norwegian classic... in order to fight
> congestion, you can only drive in the fast lane if you're 2 people or
> more during rush hour. The crafty norwegians love their au paires, and
> took them with them to work, so they can save time, and then sent them
> home with the car, and again to pick them up at work, so they can drive
> two in the car in the fast lane!

Create a System and people will immediately find ways
around it, to exploit it.

In the USA it is not unheard of to exploit multi-passenger
lanes by using an inflatable doll. Some are very lifelike
these days - prob bought from some sex site. In California
you can probably 'identify' as a sex doll and get away with
it in court :-)

On 2024-12-18, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 19:51:53 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> This is the truth! I have nothing against the mormons I meet. I think
>> perhaps they are more afraid to discuss philosophy with me, than I am of
>> them!
>
> Once they get past the missionary phase. It's been years since they
> ventured into my part of the woods but I opened the door to find three
> Mormonettes. The guys go in pairs but apparently they think they need
> three for the girls.

As far as I'm aware, usually the gals also go in pairs. However,
every once in a while an area has an odd number of one or the
other (or both), in which case a threesome is (or two threesomes
are) formed.

--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

On 12/18/24 4:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 20:20:41 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Interesting! Very few chechens in sweden. I wonder how on earth sweden
>> managed to avoid those? I saw in the news the other day that a mosque in
>> Gothenburg hand't out scarfs to arabian children with terrorist
>> propaganda against israel.
>
> They're rare in the US also.
>
> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/19/chechens-immigrants-
> us-population/2097065/
>
> Other non-Arab Muslims are more prevalent.
>
> https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2019/1028/Refugees-poured-into-my-state.-
> Here-s-how-it-changed-me
>
> I lived in a small Maine town for a couple of years in the late '70s.
> While it sometimes seemed like a chapter out of a Stephen King novel
> diversity had not struck.
>
> The Somalis were first settled in Atlanta GA which was closer to Somalia's
> climate than Maine but the Africans didn't get along with the African-
> Americans very well. It's done wonders for Leweiston's soccer team.
>
> I'm not sure how the Somalis wound up in Minnesota. For most of the 19th
> and early 20th centuries it was the target of Swedes, Norwegians, and
> Germans.

Maybe they Just Like nordics ?

More likely the nordics there are just more gullible -
just like in Europe, all into 'sanctuaries' because
they think it gives them moral brownie points :-)

On 12/18/24 2:19 PM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 10:22:36 +0100, D wrote:
>>
>>> Ahh.. ok, now I know. "Her books and characters serve as the basis for
>>> the internationally successful TV series Rebecka Martinsson." I've seen
>>> an episode or two when visiting Stockholm, since my father really enjoys
>>> criminal shows.
>>
>> I didn't know it had become a TV series. Amazon has it for $18 for the
>> first year. I'll have to try it when I finish the 'Leverage' series.
>>
>> 'Leverage' is sort of apropos. It's a team of grifters and thieves that
>> take down people like corrupt insurance CEOs. They don't shoot them but
>> expose them and clean out their accounts to reimburse those that they
>> screwed.
>
> I'm currently watching Pantheon. It is animated, but I find it quite
> well researched when it comes to the transhumanist theme of mind
> uploading. I suspect the second season will not be as good as the first,
> and towards the end the quality dropped. But it has a good start!

Alas, like time travel, the more you think about
'mind uploading' the more improbable it seems.
'Mind' is COMPLICATED ... and there's more than
just neurons involved. 'Mind' is an 'environment'.

As for "Robin Hoods" - there are many ways of looking
at that paradigm. Who "deserves" what ... not so easy.

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 22:32:03 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> I think that as the weather improved a lot of people went walkabout -
> resulting in a many odd mixtures that eventually blended into a
> 'normal'.

There definitely was a lot of movement well before the Völkerwanderung.
There are several theories about where the Indo-Europeans arose.
Genetically the Y haplogroup R1b was predominate and still is most common
in western Europe. They were pastoralists and practiced agriculture.

They are supposed to have shown up around 5000 years BP. The I1 story has
changed in the last few years and is still a bit of a mystery although the
assumption is they were hunter-gatherers.

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/the-origin-of-haplogroup-i1-
m253.42710/

I wonder how much of th interaction is reflected in the Edda literature
about a war between the Aesir and Vanir.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyr

Freyr was associated with peace, tranquility, and farming. Wotan had many
names but 'Farmer John' wasn't one of them.

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 23:02:45 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 12/18/24 3:15 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 18/12/2024 19:11, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 10:01:12 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 18/12/2024 07:09, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 00:05:27 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>      The first known human on the island - a cave fossil named
>>>>>> 'Cheddar
>>>>>>      Man' - turned out to be a 'black' African who apparently
>>>>>> sailed up
>>>>>>      the Spanish and finally English coast about 10,000 years
>>>>>>      ago just as the ice age was starting to thaw.
>>>>>
>>>>> Depending on the exact timing he may have hiked across Doggerland.
>>>>
>>>> Well its false anyway, and if coming from Africa Doggerland would not
>>>> have been a useful route
>>>
>>> Exactly why do you think he sailed from Africa? The DNA matches the
>>> western European hunter gatherers who had be in Europe as long ago as
>>> 17,000 years BP.
>>>
>>>
>> Then why call him a black African...
>>
>>> https://www.newscientist.com/article/2161867-ancient-dark-skinned-
briton-
>>> cheddar-man-find-may-not-be-true/
>>>
>> New scientist is a political magazine. It has no real scientific
>> content. Its har left antd this is probably part of some 'critical race
>> theory' bullshit
>
>
> At least partially true ... don't take their stuff at face value,
> there are clearly agendas mixed in.

I wasn't going to go beyond the paywall ans 12ft.io didn't work for the
site but from the teaser I was surprised they were floating out the
possibility the Cheddar Man wasn't as black as painted.

On 12/17/24 4:34 AM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 23:09:13 +0100, D wrote:
>> D> Ahh... the land of the free! Try 31% in sweden or around 20% where
>> I am
>> D> now. Oh, and the 31% has a cap, so you only get part of that to fund
>> D> your own retirement. The rest goes to happy arabians!
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>> rb> There is a yearly maximum for the SS tax, which gets raised
>> frequently. It
>> rb> was nice to max out and have a few weeks without the deduction at
>> the end
>> rb> of the year. The current cap is $168,600 so I would guess the
>> majority of
>> rb> the workers don't see those bonus weeks anymore.
>>
>> On 2024-12-16, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>> Jesus! I thought it was only in sweden. Well, as you say it's 168k, so I
>>> imagine that the majority of people in the US never hit the cap.
>>
>> rb> Of course your benefits are taxed. Some states don't tax SS
>> benefits but
>> rb> this one does so both the Feds and the state have their hands out.
>> Then if
>> rb> you have an IRA or other retirement account there is a required
>> minimum
>> rb> distribution yearly which is taxed when you hit 73.
>>
>>> Of course it is taxed! ;) And your private retirement savings are
>>> taxed as
>>> well, so a nice double tax. First the salary, and then you save it,
>>> and it
>>> is of course taxed again at withdrawal.
>>
>> The salary that goes into the retirement account is NOT taxed (the
>> contribution is tax deductible in the year it is earned) but when you
>> take money out later,  the withdrawals are taxable income. Not so
>> unfair.
>>
>>> If you're content to wait until you are at least 55 to withdraw
>>> money, you
>>> can start a retirement foundation. The gross assets are taxed with a
>>> flat
>>> tax of 0.3% or so every year, regardless of if the assets shrink or
>>> grow.
>>> And in return you can withdraw your retirement savings for free. This is
>>> not very well known, and I have never heard of a company that offers
>>> this.
>>
>> So an after-tax savings account. How is this different from an ordinary
>> savings account ... I guess the difference is that the interest is
>> tax-free? Sweden special!
>
> The difference is that in an ordinary savings account, you put in taxed
> money. In this type of account, your company can put in gross earnings,
> have the capital gains being taxed at only 0.3% (ish) flat fee per year,
> and then when you, the employee, withdraw it, it's taxed as retirement
> income.

There's barely any POINT in such plans if the money is
eventually taxed (at current rates) when you finally
need it. May as well have just made an ordinary bank
savings account or similar - you will get more back
when all is said and done.

> If you put in your taxed savings into a "kapitalförsäkring" you can
> withdraw the money tax free, but the flat tax is higher, it's currently
> 0,888% for 2025.
>
> How did you do the rb/D quoting? Do you have a script for that? It was
> very beautiful.

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 22:03:07 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> Thing is, there have been odd genetic/physiotype mixes found from
> around those times. Likely the ice melt encouraged a lot of people to
> wander around.

Global warming! I'm pretty sure nobody was camping in my yard about 15,000
years BP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacial_Lake_Missoula

There are several markers on the trails at the 4200' level. It's fun to
imagine a lake where the valley is.

On 12/18/24 11:28 PM, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 12/18/24 5:00 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>
>> For thousands of years the presence of modern humans in Britain
>> remained brief and sporadic. It has only been continuous since about
>> 12,000 years ago.
>
>
>   Probably rates as one of the worlds "Most Invaded" places.
>   Don't think anybody can make a really solid "historical
>   claim" on England.

Hmmm ... as for 'claims' ... how much, in what forms,
does anyone have a claim on programming code ? Some
of this stuff goes back to Turing - indeed probably
back to Babbage/Lovelace. You can re-state the ideas,
put them together a bit differently, but they're
still kind of 'stolen', 'sequels'.