On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 22:31:54 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:
>
>
>> So that Puma would outweigh a fair subset of hikers, and even for hikers
>> who would outweigh the Puma, the Puma will win any altercation with a
>> weaponless hiker.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n6jJBzT83E
>
> I'm not volunteering for a cage match but like house cats mountain lions
> depend on stealth to a great degree. There are a couple of trail camera
> videos but they're very low quality. They do show the cat leaping on the
> deer's back and biting the spine at the back of the neck.
>
> There was an incident here where a lion attacked a young kid at a youth
> group outing but a couple of the counselors more or less beat on the cat
> until he left. They're adter a meal, not a pitched battle.

This is the truth! I knew a cat once that had severe mental problems. It
would looooove to hide on top of cupboards, and when you would walk past
he would jump down on your back and try to bite you in the neck. Nasty
cat! But he is dead now.

On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Rich wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.misc D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>> My experience of both NYC and Chicago was day trips or overnight stays so
>>> I don't know them as well as the Boston area.
>>>
>>> I was first in SF in the '80s before it had deteriorated, but again not
>>> for a long stay. I lived in coastal New Hampshire and was used to the
>>> weather patterns of the north Atlantic, cold morning fog that burned off
>>> around noon. What impressed me was SF managed to spin that as 'delightful
>>> sweater weather'.
>>
>> That con is frequently used in sweden. Sometimes I can get very close to
>> killing people in sweden when I hear the tired old saying "det finns inga
>> dåliga väder, bara dåliga kläder".
>>
>> My translation is, the person in question cannot afford to travel to the
>> sun, so must firm up their psyche with nonsense. ;)
>
> The 'google' translation is:
>
> "there are none bad weather, only bad clothes"
>
> I do not know any Sweedish, so I can't say which is the closer to the
> actual meaning.
>

That is the literal meaning, the actual meaning is my translation.

On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 21:48:03 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> True. That reminds me of a finnish army guy who first fought the
>> russians in the finnish army, then joined the nazis, and fought russians
>> together with them, then joined the US and fought in the Vietnam war.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauri_T%C3%B6rni#Career
>
> That's quite a biography. I didn't know about him although I did knew
> about Simo Häyhä. He was severely wounded during the Winter War and sat
> out the Continuation War. I doubt he would have had a problem trading his
> Mosin Nagant for a Karabiner 98k.
>
> Häyhä preferred iron sights since scopes would fog up but I mounted a
> scope on my 91/30 and it works a lot better for elderly eyes.
>
> For what it's worth my wife came equipped with a Mosin Nagant M44. It kept
> me honest.

Sounds like a dangerous wife! I hope you never had any disagreements!
;)

> https://www.huntinggearguy.com/rifle-reviews/mosin-nagant-m44-carbine/
>
> The side folding bayonet is a nice touch. With the 91/30 first I have to
> find it, and then fix it in place. I recently read Lyudmila Pavlichenko's
> biography and found the rifle was referred to as a '3-line', a line being
> 0.10, hence .30 caliber. While she was an effective sniper her real
> importance was as a propagandist trying to get Roosevelt to open the
> second front to take the pressure off Russia.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Lyudmila_Pavlichenko#Visits_to_Allied_countries
>
> My ex had mentioned the novel 'The Diamond Eye' by Kate Quinn. Quinn
> spices it up with a love story and other drama but it was interesting
> enough that I wanted to read it in her own words. She was born in Kiev but
> that was the Ukrainian SSR.

Very interesting, thank you for sharing!

On 12/11/2024 09:48, D wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Rich wrote:
>
>> In comp.os.linux.misc D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>>> My experience of both NYC and Chicago was day trips or overnight
>>>> stays so
>>>> I don't know them as well as the Boston area.
>>>>
>>>> I was first in SF in the '80s before it had deteriorated, but again not
>>>> for a long stay. I lived in coastal New Hampshire and was used to the
>>>> weather patterns of the north Atlantic, cold morning fog that burned
>>>> off
>>>> around noon. What impressed me was SF managed to spin that as
>>>> 'delightful
>>>> sweater weather'.
>>>
>>> That con is frequently used in sweden. Sometimes I can get very close to
>>> killing people in sweden when I hear the tired old saying "det finns
>>> inga
>>> dåliga väder, bara dåliga kläder".
>>>
>>> My translation is, the person in question cannot afford to travel to the
>>> sun, so must firm up their psyche with nonsense. ;)
>>
>> The 'google' translation is:
>>
>> "there are none bad weather, only bad clothes"
>>
>> I do not know any Sweedish, so I can't say which is the closer to the
>> actual meaning.
>>
>
> That is the literal meaning, the actual meaning is my translation.

No. that is the meaning as seen from your own narrow viewpoint.
Some people like the cold.

--
Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.

On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 02:32:41 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:
>
>> In comp.os.linux.misc D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>>> My experience of both NYC and Chicago was day trips or overnight stays
>>>> so I don't know them as well as the Boston area.
>>>>
>>>> I was first in SF in the '80s before it had deteriorated, but again
>>>> not for a long stay. I lived in coastal New Hampshire and was used to
>>>> the weather patterns of the north Atlantic, cold morning fog that
>>>> burned off around noon. What impressed me was SF managed to spin that
>>>> as 'delightful sweater weather'.
>>>
>>> That con is frequently used in sweden. Sometimes I can get very close
>>> to killing people in sweden when I hear the tired old saying "det finns
>>> inga dåliga väder, bara dåliga kläder".
>>>
>>> My translation is, the person in question cannot afford to travel to
>>> the sun, so must firm up their psyche with nonsense. ;)
>>
>> The 'google' translation is:
>>
>> "there are none bad weather, only bad clothes"
>>
>> I do not know any Sweedish, so I can't say which is the closer to the
>> actual meaning.
>
> https://www.treehugger.com/theres-no-such-thing-bad-weather-scandinavian-
> moms-guide-raising-kids-book-review-4857921
>
> Everybody has a version:
>
> Es gibt kein schlechtes Wetter, nur schlechte Kleidung.

Ahh... didn't know that. In swedish it rhymes, so I thought that exact
translation did not exist in other countries, but apparently in german it
does (but doesn't rhyme).

> My coat tree reflects the saying; stick head out the door and select the
> uniform of the day. It is topped with a ushanka fort hose shoveling snow
> on sub-zero F days.

I have a thicker car coat that I use for up to -20 C. For walks up to 1
hour it works perfectly down to -20 C if you add a third layer underneath.

My wife thinks I am crazy, but I had it for 24 years, for many winters,
and the body adapts to the cold eventually.

On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 11/11/2024 20:29, rbowman wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:17:28 +0100, D wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 12:26:05 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Linux just kicked out all the Russian contributors.
>>>>
>>>> Torvalds doubled down by accusing anyone who disagreed of being a
>>>> Russian troll. He would have been better off staying silent or pointing
>>>> out the US location of the foundation.
>>>
>>> He has lost a lot of credibility after attending woke courses. Could
>>> also be that he is being blackmailed... "Say this or we'll kick you
>>> out".
>>
>> He did point out he is a Finn and they have a fraught relationship with
>> Russia. Finland is one of those countries that would rather not discuss
>> WWII. After the Winter War they allied with Germany for the Continuation
>> War against the Soviets and then made a separate peace with the Soviets
>> and entered into the half-hearted Lapland War as the Germans retreated to
>> Norway. After WWII the relationship with the Soviets was complicated until
>> 1991. They're feeling more secure these days and are anti-Russian.
>
> Given the choice between Hitler or Stalin its a hard decision.
> I imagine the feeling was that if allied with Germany they wouldn't get
> invaded and taken over, whereas they would with Russia.

This is the truth. Also swedens reasoning. If we collaborate with the
Nazis, they won't steamroll over sweden, and we'll get to keep our
infrastructure and industry.

In hindsight, that strategy was an excellent strategy for sweden.

On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 11/11/2024 20:41, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/11/2024 19:45, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:51:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Isolationism led to Pearl  Harbour...and 911
>>>>
>>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to philosophy; your grasp of history is
>>>> deficient.
>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to parochial matters
>>>
>>
>> I think rbowman has impressed me the most with his grasp of history, and
>> our differences when it comes to philosophy speak for themselves. So no
>> points for you I'm afraid. ;)
>
> This inst a fucking debating society.
> This is the future of civilisation.

You are so cute when you react like that! ;) It also gives me immense
pleasure. Please continue. =)

> Of course for you comfortable stay at homes that's a vague intellectual
> concept that you really don't have or need much grasp of.
>
> You stay in your safe spaces while the rest of try to make sure they stay
> that way, OK?

Kisses! Anything else you'd like to add? ;)

On 11 Nov 2024 20:00:08 GMT
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:22:47 +0100, D wrote:
>
> > I always wondered about that climbing thing. If the choice was between
> > meeting an attacking bear (without guns) on a level field, vs climbing
> > up a sturdy tree, and trying to kick it in the face from above, I always
> > thought that it sounded more pleasant to kick it in the head from above,
> > than being crushed on open ground.
>
> Climbing a tree in this area can be difficult if you're not a bear.
>

Pshurely you lot need a rec.sport.tree-climbing NG to chat in.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On 12/11/2024 09:55, D wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 11/11/2024 20:41, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/11/2024 19:45, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:51:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Isolationism led to Pearl  Harbour...and 911
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to philosophy; your grasp of history is
>>>>> deficient.
>>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to parochial matters
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think rbowman has impressed me the most with his grasp of history,
>>> and our differences when it comes to philosophy speak for themselves.
>>> So no points for you I'm afraid. ;)
>>
>> This inst a fucking debating society.
>> This is the future of civilisation.
>
> You are so cute when you react like that! ;) It also gives me immense
> pleasure. Please continue. =)
>
>> Of course for you comfortable stay at homes that's a vague
>> intellectual concept that you really don't have or need much grasp of.
>>
>> You stay in your safe spaces while the rest of try to make sure they
>> stay that way, OK?
>
> Kisses! Anything else you'd like to add? ;)

Oh dear oh dear.

--
Any fool can believe in principles - and most of them do!

On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 12/11/2024 09:48, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Rich wrote:
>>
>>> In comp.os.linux.misc D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> My experience of both NYC and Chicago was day trips or overnight stays
>>>>> so
>>>>> I don't know them as well as the Boston area.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was first in SF in the '80s before it had deteriorated, but again not
>>>>> for a long stay. I lived in coastal New Hampshire and was used to the
>>>>> weather patterns of the north Atlantic, cold morning fog that burned off
>>>>> around noon. What impressed me was SF managed to spin that as
>>>>> 'delightful
>>>>> sweater weather'.
>>>>
>>>> That con is frequently used in sweden. Sometimes I can get very close to
>>>> killing people in sweden when I hear the tired old saying "det finns inga
>>>> dåliga väder, bara dåliga kläder".
>>>>
>>>> My translation is, the person in question cannot afford to travel to the
>>>> sun, so must firm up their psyche with nonsense. ;)
>>>
>>> The 'google' translation is:
>>>
>>> "there are none bad weather, only bad clothes"
>>>
>>> I do not know any Sweedish, so I can't say which is the closer to the
>>> actual meaning.
>>>
>>
>> That is the literal meaning, the actual meaning is my translation.
>
> No. that is the meaning as seen from your own narrow viewpoint.
> Some people like the cold.

Incorrect. I have lived there and checked all variables, and the
conclusion is that you are completely wrong.

On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 12/11/2024 09:55, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/11/2024 20:41, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/11/2024 19:45, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:51:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Isolationism led to Pearl  Harbour...and 911
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to philosophy; your grasp of history is
>>>>>> deficient.
>>>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to parochial matters
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think rbowman has impressed me the most with his grasp of history, and
>>>> our differences when it comes to philosophy speak for themselves. So no
>>>> points for you I'm afraid. ;)
>>>
>>> This inst a fucking debating society.
>>> This is the future of civilisation.
>>
>> You are so cute when you react like that! ;) It also gives me immense
>> pleasure. Please continue. =)
>>
>>> Of course for you comfortable stay at homes that's a vague intellectual
>>> concept that you really don't have or need much grasp of.
>>>
>>> You stay in your safe spaces while the rest of try to make sure they stay
>>> that way, OK?
>>
>> Kisses! Anything else you'd like to add? ;)
>
> Oh dear oh dear.

This was not as creative as I would have hoped. But let's see, maybe next
time.

On 2024-11-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> Häyhä preferred iron sights since scopes would fog up but I mounted a
> scope on my 91/30 and it works a lot better for elderly eyes.

Since this is alt.folklore.computers, it's only appropriate that I
contribute to further thread drift by mentioning that your article
made me do a double take because back in the day I did a lot of work
on Univac 90/30s.

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey

In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 11/11/2024 20:41, D wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 11/11/2024 19:45, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:51:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> Isolationism led to Pearl Harbour...and 911
>>>>
>>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to philosophy; your grasp of history is
>>>> deficient.
>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to parochial matters
>>
>> I think rbowman has impressed me the most with his grasp of history, and
>> our differences when it comes to philosophy speak for themselves. So no
>> points for you I'm afraid. ;)
>
> This inst a fucking debating society.
> This is the future of civilisation.

Oh, so _this_ is where the future of civilisation gets decided.

Now where was that group where people talk about computers?...

But actually I was slightly looking forward to an explanation of
how Pearl Harbour and 9/11 were consequences of isolationism. It's
not my understanding of history either.

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not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) writes:
>In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 11/11/2024 20:41, D wrote:
>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 11/11/2024 19:45, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:51:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> Isolationism led to Pearl Harbour...and 911
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to philosophy; your grasp of history is
>>>>> deficient.
>>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to parochial matters
>>>
>>> I think rbowman has impressed me the most with his grasp of history, and
>>> our differences when it comes to philosophy speak for themselves. So no
>>> points for you I'm afraid. ;)
>>
>> This inst a fucking debating society.
>> This is the future of civilisation.
>
>Oh, so _this_ is where the future of civilisation gets decided.
>
>Now where was that group where people talk about computers?...
>
>But actually I was slightly looking forward to an explanation of
>how Pearl Harbour and 9/11 were consequences of isolationism. It's
>not my understanding of history either.

NP has seemingly conflated WWI with WWII.

On 12 Nov 2024 04:52:07 GMT, Robert Riches wrote:

> A few decades ago, I was informed of at least one case where
> do-gooders had left hay for an overpopulation of deer. The deer
> continued to die. Analysis showed the deer starved to death with
> full stomachs, because their digestive systems lacked the enzymes
> to digest the types of hay that were being left for them.

That doesn’t make any sense to me. There is essentially just one major
indigestible material in grassy/leafy matter, and that is cellulose. Only
certain kinds of bacteria know how to digest cellulose -- no vertebrate
does. So all herbivores have populations of bacteria like these in their
guts -- if you look at a herbivore, you will see it is basically an
elaborate system of digestive plumbing on legs -- a comfortable
environment for those bacteria, that handily collects the food for them.

And cellulose is cellulose. Whatever plant source the herbivore gets it
from, it’s going to get digested.

On 2024-11-12, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On 12 Nov 2024 04:52:07 GMT, Robert Riches wrote:
>
>> A few decades ago, I was informed of at least one case where
>> do-gooders had left hay for an overpopulation of deer. The deer
>> continued to die. Analysis showed the deer starved to death with
>> full stomachs, because their digestive systems lacked the enzymes
>> to digest the types of hay that were being left for them.
>
> That doesn’t make any sense to me. There is essentially just one major
> indigestible material in grassy/leafy matter, and that is cellulose. Only
> certain kinds of bacteria know how to digest cellulose -- no vertebrate
> does. So all herbivores have populations of bacteria like these in their
> guts -- if you look at a herbivore, you will see it is basically an
> elaborate system of digestive plumbing on legs -- a comfortable
> environment for those bacteria, that handily collects the food for them.
>
> And cellulose is cellulose. Whatever plant source the herbivore gets it
> from, it’s going to get digested.

A bit of web searching found a few references, and they appear to
be from reasonably credible sources:

6th and 7th paragraphs of this article:
https://cpw.state.co.us/news/01132022/cpw-warns-public-dangers-illegally-feeding-wildlife

apparently basically the same textZ:
https://coloradooutdoorsmag.com/2022/01/19/harmful-not-helpful/

9th paragraph:
https://animalrangeextension.montana.edu/wildlife/private_land_wildlife_mgmt/winter-deer-feeding.html

not specific to deer but appears applicable:
https://smallfarms.oregonstate.edu/smallfarms/how-starve-animals-full-stomach

middle of 2nd page:
https://www.maine.gov/ifw/docs/deer_winter_feeding.pdf

Thanks for triggering some learning.

--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

On 11/12/24 2:47 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 01:19:02 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> I'd decidedly consider a restored late 60s car - but it'd have to
>> come from some state where there's not a lot of SALT being used (or
>> in the air). That's just a handful of central/western states.
>
> The car shows here have a lot of restored '60s cars that look pristine. My
> problem is I drove some of them when they were brand new and wasn't all
> that impressed. My thing is the '40s fat fender coupes. Those were what
> the cool people drove when I was a kid. I guess it's what you were
> imprinted with.

I'd love a 30s Packard :-)

Something about "the look" ...

Some Model-As and REOs kinda had "it" too.

Post-WW2 ... nah ... not so much ... but
the mechanicals were better.

Anyway, as for "look pristine" ... if they
come from up north where they slather the
roads with salt all winter or too close to
an ocean, "pristine" will become "pile of
rust" REAL soon. West Texas, Okies, Colorado,
maybe Kansas, those are yer best bets.
Rust-proofing was NOT a big thing until
the 70s or so.

On 12/11/2024 21:40, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) writes:
>> In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 11/11/2024 20:41, D wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 11/11/2024 19:45, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:51:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>> Isolationism led to Pearl Harbour...and 911
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to philosophy; your grasp of history is
>>>>>> deficient.
>>>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to parochial matters
>>>>
>>>> I think rbowman has impressed me the most with his grasp of history, and
>>>> our differences when it comes to philosophy speak for themselves. So no
>>>> points for you I'm afraid. ;)
>>>
>>> This inst a fucking debating society.
>>> This is the future of civilisation.
>>
>> Oh, so _this_ is where the future of civilisation gets decided.
>>
>> Now where was that group where people talk about computers?...
>>
>> But actually I was slightly looking forward to an explanation of
>> how Pearl Harbour and 9/11 were consequences of isolationism. It's
>> not my understanding of history either.
>
> NP has seemingly conflated WWI with WWII.

Not sure what 911 event happened in WW1

Pearl harbour happened because the Japanese, having been allowed to rape
china concluded that the USA was a soft target.

911 happened because the USA in its inimitably parochial way totally
failed to understand or notice the rise in Islamic fundamentalism.

At the time I thought 911 was understandable, but *undeserved*...

--
“People believe certain stories because everyone important tells them,
and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them.
Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, one’s
agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of
one’s suitability to be taken seriously.”

Paul Krugman

On 11/12/24 3:38 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 12/11/2024 06:19, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> Now to consider ... exactly WHAT kinds of extra IQ,
>>    likely using a Pi/Linux, would be appropriate to
>>    add to a late 60s vehicle ? I'd like better water
>>    temp/flow info, better oil-pressure monitoring,
>>    transmission oil temps, might be possible to get
>>    a fair view of brake-pad thickness/temp/status,
>>    at least some charts of exhaust temp/mix to
>>    facilitate finer-tuning. *I* want to be informed,
>>    but not Ford/Chevy/Vlad/Progressive/etc.
>
> The day I bought a car with electronic ignition and fuel injection was
> the day I said goodbye to 'crank no start'
>
> I spent my entire youth clearing blocked carburettors, flooded engines
> and adjusting points gaps
>
> I am entirely happy with engine management systems!

Except, quickly, they went TOO far ......

As said - *I* want to know, but NO tattling !

And SCREW "emergency mode" if something is
slightly out of spec !

Injection and at least CD ignitions really DID
improve power/startability. Carbs worked, but
only just SO well.

"Carburetors man ! That's what life is all about !"

Anyway, cheap ultrasonic flow sensors, temperature
sensors and such are easily had now - some are
One-Wire. The BRAKE info ... it comes to me that
the pads might be considered to be part of a
capacitance RC circuit - so something kinda
simple might be assembled. Most 60s cars used
DRUM brakes, you got maybe two or three good
apps before they'd fade.

I remember kits (Whitney?) so you could put
two, maybe three, carbs onto a 6-cyl - up
to four on a V-8.

On 13/11/2024 08:50, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> Most 60s cars used
>   DRUM brakes, you got maybe two or three good
>   apps before they'd fade.

The thing about drum brakes is that they have slight but significant
innate brake assistance - the leading shoe tends to wedge itself on.

I don't want to go back to unassisted brakes and no power steering either.

Most of the complexity of modern engine management systems is to do with
controlling emissions and squeezing the last mile out of a gallon of
sauce...

--
"What do you think about Gay Marriage?"
"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."

On Tue, 13 Nov 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 11/11/2024 20:41, D wrote:
>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 11/11/2024 19:45, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:51:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> Isolationism led to Pearl Harbour...and 911
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to philosophy; your grasp of history is
>>>>> deficient.
>>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to parochial matters
>>>
>>> I think rbowman has impressed me the most with his grasp of history, and
>>> our differences when it comes to philosophy speak for themselves. So no
>>> points for you I'm afraid. ;)
>>
>> This inst a fucking debating society.
>> This is the future of civilisation.
>
> Oh, so _this_ is where the future of civilisation gets decided.

Touché!

> Now where was that group where people talk about computers?...
>
> But actually I was slightly looking forward to an explanation of
> how Pearl Harbour and 9/11 were consequences of isolationism. It's
> not my understanding of history either.

The natural has quite a large ego, and any version of history
contradicting his own is wrong, and severely dealt with. Beware!

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
> On 12/11/2024 21:40, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) writes:
>>> In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 11/11/2024 20:41, D wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/11/2024 19:45, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:51:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>>> Isolationism led to Pearl Harbour...and 911
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to philosophy; your grasp of history is
>>>>>>> deficient.
>>>>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to parochial matters
>>>>>
>>>>> I think rbowman has impressed me the most with his grasp of history, and
>>>>> our differences when it comes to philosophy speak for themselves. So no
>>>>> points for you I'm afraid. ;)
>>>>
>>>> This inst a fucking debating society.
>>>> This is the future of civilisation.
>>>
>>> Oh, so _this_ is where the future of civilisation gets decided.
>>>
>>> Now where was that group where people talk about computers?...
>>>
>>> But actually I was slightly looking forward to an explanation of
>>> how Pearl Harbour and 9/11 were consequences of isolationism. It's
>>> not my understanding of history either.
>> NP has seemingly conflated WWI with WWII.
>
> Not sure what 911 event happened in WW1
>
> Pearl harbour happened because the Japanese, having been allowed to
> rape china concluded that the USA was a soft target.

Agreed that Pearl Harbour was, to a certain extent, a consequence of the
US attempting to sit out WWII. (But also, a consequence of astoundingly
bad decision making in Japan, which would have also been the case if the
US had got involved earlier, albeit presumably with different
consequences.)

> 911 happened because the USA in its inimitably parochial way totally
> failed to understand or notice the rise in Islamic fundamentalism.
>
> At the time I thought 911 was understandable, but *undeserved*...

Less agreement here.

* Both broad strokes and specifics of US policy in the 1990s were highly
interventionist. One of ObL’s big beefs was the US troops in Saudi
Arabia.

* The Americans very were aware of AQ’s ambitions based on the 1993 WTC
bombing, the 1995 multi-airplane plot, etc.

* The US were actively and overtly targetting AQ facilities, e.g. cruise
missile attacks on Sudan.

In my view the failings that failings that enabled 911 were more about
the details of their response to the AQ threat, rather than being in the
wrong place on the intervention/isolation spectrum.

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https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

On 13/11/2024 09:29, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> On 12/11/2024 21:40, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) writes:
>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/11/2024 20:41, D wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/11/2024 19:45, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:51:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Isolationism led to Pearl Harbour...and 911
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to philosophy; your grasp of history is
>>>>>>>> deficient.
>>>>>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to parochial matters
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think rbowman has impressed me the most with his grasp of history, and
>>>>>> our differences when it comes to philosophy speak for themselves. So no
>>>>>> points for you I'm afraid. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> This inst a fucking debating society.
>>>>> This is the future of civilisation.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, so _this_ is where the future of civilisation gets decided.
>>>>
>>>> Now where was that group where people talk about computers?...
>>>>
>>>> But actually I was slightly looking forward to an explanation of
>>>> how Pearl Harbour and 9/11 were consequences of isolationism. It's
>>>> not my understanding of history either.
>>> NP has seemingly conflated WWI with WWII.
>>
>> Not sure what 911 event happened in WW1
>>
>> Pearl harbour happened because the Japanese, having been allowed to
>> rape china concluded that the USA was a soft target.
>
> Agreed that Pearl Harbour was, to a certain extent, a consequence of the
> US attempting to sit out WWII. (But also, a consequence of astoundingly
> bad decision making in Japan, which would have also been the case if the
> US had got involved earlier, albeit presumably with different
> consequences.)
>
>> 911 happened because the USA in its inimitably parochial way totally
>> failed to understand or notice the rise in Islamic fundamentalism.
>>
>> At the time I thought 911 was understandable, but *undeserved*...
>
> Less agreement here.
>
> * Both broad strokes and specifics of US policy in the 1990s were highly
> interventionist. One of ObL’s big beefs was the US troops in Saudi
> Arabia.
>
> * The Americans very were aware of AQ’s ambitions based on the 1993 WTC
> bombing, the 1995 multi-airplane plot, etc.
>
> * The US were actively and overtly targetting AQ facilities, e.g. cruise
> missile attacks on Sudan.
>
> In my view the failings that failings that enabled 911 were more about
> the details of their response to the AQ threat, rather than being in the
> wrong place on the intervention/isolation spectrum.
>

Well at a certain point they merge.

Since we are talking about the detailed response to the Putin threat.

He is *already* committing acts of sabotage in the USA and Europe and
political assassination outside of Russia.

rbwoman wants to simply ignore this as 'not America's problem' That's
isolationism

*It already is* ...and pretending that ignoring it will make it go away
is rather sweet, but ultimately not especially effective.
..

--
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the
urge to rule it.”
– H. L. Mencken

On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 03:19:10 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> Some Model-As and REOs kinda had "it" too.
>
> Post-WW2 ... nah ... not so much ... but the mechanicals were better.

A friend in college had been a commercial pilot who returned to school. He
was older, married, and had acquired some toys like a Model A that he was
foolish enough to let us borrow. Troy has steep hills as the surriounding
area drops down to the river. As we descended one I looked over to see
Pete rigid as he tried to control our spped with the original mechanical
brakes.

> Anyway, as for "look pristine" ... if they come from up north where
> they slather the roads with salt all winter or too close to an ocean,
> "pristine" will become "pile of rust" REAL soon. West Texas, Okies,
> Colorado,
> maybe Kansas, those are yer best bets. Rust-proofing was NOT a big
> thing until the 70s or so.

Montana is a very religious state: God put the snow there for some reason
and will remove it in the fullness of time. Upstate NY was heavy on the
salt so anything much over 5 years old had problems. The flip side here is
older cars look great but are mechanically deficient. There's no vehicle
inspection so as long as it runs, go for it.

In comp.os.linux.misc Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> On 12/11/2024 21:40, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) writes:
>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/11/2024 20:41, D wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/11/2024 19:45, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:51:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Isolationism led to Pearl Harbour...and 911
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to philosophy; your grasp of history is
>>>>>>>> deficient.
>>>>>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to parochial matters
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think rbowman has impressed me the most with his grasp of history, and
>>>>>> our differences when it comes to philosophy speak for themselves. So no
>>>>>> points for you I'm afraid. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> This inst a fucking debating society.
>>>>> This is the future of civilisation.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, so _this_ is where the future of civilisation gets decided.
>>>>
>>>> Now where was that group where people talk about computers?...
>>>>
>>>> But actually I was slightly looking forward to an explanation of
>>>> how Pearl Harbour and 9/11 were consequences of isolationism. It's
>>>> not my understanding of history either.
>>> NP has seemingly conflated WWI with WWII.
>>
>> Not sure what 911 event happened in WW1
>>
>> Pearl harbour happened because the Japanese, having been allowed to
>> rape china concluded that the USA was a soft target.
>
> Agreed that Pearl Harbour was, to a certain extent, a consequence of the
> US attempting to sit out WWII. (But also, a consequence of astoundingly
> bad decision making in Japan, which would have also been the case if the
> US had got involved earlier, albeit presumably with different
> consequences.)

The key motivation of the Japanese was to secure their oil supply
after the USA imposed an embargo on oil exports to Japan (followed
by Britain and the Dutch East Indies) in reaction to their
brutality in China. The USA was trying to force them to pull out of
China and break their allegiances to the axis powers. All quite
interventionist.

Then the only way Japan could obtain oil was by force. Perl Harbor
represented the military power of the USA to resist Japanese
invasion of oil-producing countries (modern-day Indonesia) or
disrupt their resulting shipments of oil back to Japan, so Japan
tried to take it out of the equation. But they did a very bad job
of that, even forgetting to destroy the USA's own oil stockpiles
there.

https://cimsec.org/pearl-harbor-1941-the-first-energy-war/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelude_to_the_attack_on_Pearl_Harbor#Background

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