In comp.os.linux.misc D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> https://www.nps.gov/subjects/bears/safety.htm
>
> I always wondered about that climbing thing. If the choice was
> between meeting an attacking bear (without guns) on a level field, vs
> climbing up a sturdy tree, and trying to kick it in the face from
> above, I always thought that it sounded more pleasant to kick it in
> the head from above, than being crushed on open ground.

Do keep in mind that us humans have long ago lost our "tree climbing
agility" that our anchient ancestors likely possessed. So while "up a
tree, kicking face" sounds good, you are not in a location that gives
you your best agility for any fights.

With that said, a fight with an 800lb+ adversary with claws and a large
mouth with large teeth already puts you at a severe disadvantage from
the outset, no matter where you are hiding out.

Niklas Karlsson wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On 2024-11-10, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 10/11/2024 01:59, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-08, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think mediaeval monks ate pretty well, certainly better than the
>>>> peasants. Ascetics they weren’t.
>>>
>>> And there was the beer...
>>>
>>> Niklas
>>
>> Well yes, so weak that people could drink a gallon of it without
>> becoming drunk.
>> Bit like American beer.
>> [hard] Cider was the real McCoy. And mead. And wine.
>
> That's what I hear about beer among the great unwashed, certainly, but I
> was under the impression that monastery beer was quite a different
> matter. I could be mistaken, of course.

https://www.dummies.com/article/home-auto-hobbies/food-drink/beverages/beer/monastic-brews-and-extreme-beers-178571/

--
Function reject.

Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:
>In comp.os.linux.misc D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 11:18:57 +0100, D wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I moved there I sure would need a .357 Magnum do defend myself if
>>>> those cats are loose! I'd better practice my quick draw!
>>>
>>> I've had several encounters with cats without bloodshed. They have a
>>> profile for prey and I don't fit it. Mountain bikers and joggers fit the
>>> fleeing prey envelope rather well. Small children are vulnerable. The last
>>> fatality in this state was in 1989, a 5 year old riding a tricycle.
>>>
>>> Not to anthropomorphize but in my encounters we made eye contact and
>>> eventually went our separate ways. My feeling was the cat was curious
>>> about this thing standing its ground and concluded it was another apex
>>> predator best left alone.
>>
>> Wow! The only thing I remember having heard or read is, if meet bear, then
>> try to appear huge and make some noise. Maybe it works on cats as well?
>
>Do keep in mind that outside of African savanna cats, the 'cats' that
>someone will encounter backwoods in the US will be quite a bit smaller
>than a bear (both in weight and in size). So a standing human, holding
>his/her gound, will appear to the cat to be a possible 'foe' of 2x to
>3x their height.

A male Puma concolor, commonly found in california,
is 5 feet long and 170 pounds. About the same
size as a smaller adult black bear in california.

On 10 Nov 2024 21:19:56 GMT
Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 12:51:07 +0000, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>
> > Anyone here want to talk about computers or linux?
>
> The former, yes. Don't use the latter (BSD since 1978)
>
Fair enough; it's just the political bickering was xposted into colm

fu to afc only

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:51:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Isolationism led to Pearl Harbour...and 911

Wrong on both counts. Stick to philosophy; your grasp of history is
deficient.

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:22:47 +0100, D wrote:

> I always wondered about that climbing thing. If the choice was between
> meeting an attacking bear (without guns) on a level field, vs climbing
> up a sturdy tree, and trying to kick it in the face from above, I always
> thought that it sounded more pleasant to kick it in the head from above,
> than being crushed on open ground.

Climbing a tree in this area can be difficult if you're not a bear.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_ponderosa

The other prevalent species, Douglas fir, also tends to have very few
branches. There's a whole set of hardware, climbing tree stands, to allow
hunters to ratchet their way up the trunk.

I'm sort of like a bear; I go up much easier than I go down. I was
returning to the campsite from a trailhead in Kings Canyon when I saw a
bear in a tree by the side of the road. In best tourist mode I stopped to
take a picture. I was standing there by the car when the bear slowly and
carefully worked her way down and walked off. I had missed the cub who was
also up the tree, who also climbed down and followed mom off into the
woods.

The question in my mind was if the bears had no problem coming down with a
human and a running car next to the tree what had caused them to climb it
in the first place?

On 11/11/2024 19:45, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:51:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Isolationism led to Pearl Harbour...and 911
>
> Wrong on both counts. Stick to philosophy; your grasp of history is
> deficient.
Wrong on both counts. Stick to parochial matters
--
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere,
diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.”
― Groucho Marx

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:25:28 +0100, D wrote:

> It was many years ago since I last visited, but I much preferred Boston
> over New York. But I also prefer Chicago over Boston, so I think the
> list of preference runs Chicago, Boston, New York. If all the druggies
> were removed, and disregarding the democrats, I think San Francisco
> would be among the top three as well.

My experience of both NYC and Chicago was day trips or overnight stays so
I don't know them as well as the Boston area.

I was first in SF in the '80s before it had deteriorated, but again not
for a long stay. I lived in coastal New Hampshire and was used to the
weather patterns of the north Atlantic, cold morning fog that burned off
around noon. What impressed me was SF managed to spin that as 'delightful
sweater weather'.

I made it to Haight Ashbury about 20 years late. In the '60s California
culture was given national representation on TV and in the magazines. It
was an enigma where I grew up. We didn't even know what a taco was, let
alone understand the humor. The US has gotten more uniform over the last
60 years but in the '50s and '60s traveling outside your area was not
unlike visiting a foreign country except that the natives spoke English.
Sort of.

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:17:28 +0100, D wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 12:26:05 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Linux just kicked out all the Russian contributors.
>>
>> Torvalds doubled down by accusing anyone who disagreed of being a
>> Russian troll. He would have been better off staying silent or pointing
>> out the US location of the foundation.
>
> He has lost a lot of credibility after attending woke courses. Could
> also be that he is being blackmailed... "Say this or we'll kick you
> out".

He did point out he is a Finn and they have a fraught relationship with
Russia. Finland is one of those countries that would rather not discuss
WWII. After the Winter War they allied with Germany for the Continuation
War against the Soviets and then made a separate peace with the Soviets
and entered into the half-hearted Lapland War as the Germans retreated to
Norway. After WWII the relationship with the Soviets was complicated until
1991. They're feeling more secure these days and are anti-Russian.

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 11/11/2024 19:45, rbowman wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:51:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> Isolationism led to Pearl Harbour...and 911
>>
>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to philosophy; your grasp of history is
>> deficient.
> Wrong on both counts. Stick to parochial matters
>

I think rbowman has impressed me the most with his grasp of history, and
our differences when it comes to philosophy speak for themselves. So no
points for you I'm afraid. ;)

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:25:28 +0100, D wrote:
>
>
>> It was many years ago since I last visited, but I much preferred Boston
>> over New York. But I also prefer Chicago over Boston, so I think the
>> list of preference runs Chicago, Boston, New York. If all the druggies
>> were removed, and disregarding the democrats, I think San Francisco
>> would be among the top three as well.
>
> My experience of both NYC and Chicago was day trips or overnight stays so
> I don't know them as well as the Boston area.
>
> I was first in SF in the '80s before it had deteriorated, but again not
> for a long stay. I lived in coastal New Hampshire and was used to the
> weather patterns of the north Atlantic, cold morning fog that burned off
> around noon. What impressed me was SF managed to spin that as 'delightful
> sweater weather'.

That con is frequently used in sweden. Sometimes I can get very close to
killing people in sweden when I hear the tired old saying "det finns inga
dåliga väder, bara dåliga kläder".

My translation is, the person in question cannot afford to travel to the
sun, so must firm up their psyche with nonsense. ;)

> I made it to Haight Ashbury about 20 years late. In the '60s California
> culture was given national representation on TV and in the magazines. It
> was an enigma where I grew up. We didn't even know what a taco was, let
> alone understand the humor. The US has gotten more uniform over the last
> 60 years but in the '50s and '60s traveling outside your area was not
> unlike visiting a foreign country except that the natives spoke English.
> Sort of.

Those were the days when countries and states still had a unique flavour
to them!

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:17:28 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 12:26:05 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Linux just kicked out all the Russian contributors.
>>>
>>> Torvalds doubled down by accusing anyone who disagreed of being a
>>> Russian troll. He would have been better off staying silent or pointing
>>> out the US location of the foundation.
>>
>> He has lost a lot of credibility after attending woke courses. Could
>> also be that he is being blackmailed... "Say this or we'll kick you
>> out".
>
> He did point out he is a Finn and they have a fraught relationship with
> Russia. Finland is one of those countries that would rather not discuss
> WWII. After the Winter War they allied with Germany for the Continuation
> War against the Soviets and then made a separate peace with the Soviets
> and entered into the half-hearted Lapland War as the Germans retreated to
> Norway. After WWII the relationship with the Soviets was complicated until
> 1991. They're feeling more secure these days and are anti-Russian.
>

True. That reminds me of a finnish army guy who first fought the
russians in the finnish army, then joined the nazis, and fought russians
together with them, then joined the US and fought in the Vietnam war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauri_T%C3%B6rni#Career

But let us see if the natural philosopher will poo-poo on this as well,
since I'm sure only he knows the truth about Lauri Törni in the end. ;)

On 2024-11-11, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 10/11/2024 21:17, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 11:18:57 +0100, D wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I moved there I sure would need a .357 Magnum do defend myself if
>>>> those cats are loose! I'd better practice my quick draw!
>>>
>>> I've had several encounters with cats without bloodshed. They have a
>>> profile for prey and I don't fit it. Mountain bikers and joggers fit the
>>> fleeing prey envelope rather well. Small children are vulnerable. The
>>> last
>>> fatality in this state was in 1989, a 5 year old riding a tricycle.
>>>
>>> Not to anthropomorphize but in my encounters we made eye contact and
>>> eventually went our separate ways. My feeling was the cat was curious
>>> about this thing standing its ground and concluded it was another apex
>>> predator best left alone.
>>
>> Wow! The only thing I remember having heard or read is, if meet bear,
>> then try to appear huge and make some noise. Maybe it works on cats as
>> well?
>>
>> I guess if you turn and run that might activate the hunting instinct in
>> cats?
>>
>>> When there are too many around there's a hunting season. Most hunt them
>>> with dogs. It's a balancing act. Reduce the cat population too much and
>>> you wind up knee deep in elk.
>>
>> Mmmm... nice meat!
>>
>>> I sometimes carry a .357 when I'm in known grizzly territory although
>>> it's
>>> too light. The preferred weapon is a pump shotgun loaded with alternate
>>> slug and buckshot rounds. afaik I've only encountered one grizzly and I
>>> retreated with no problem. Many trailheads have signs describing
>>> identifying grizzly versus black bears but many people assume a brown
>>> bear
>>> is a grizzly but black bears come in a variety of shades.
>>
>>
> Most wild animals - and domesticated ones - will only attack if they
> feel threatened, or they are very hungry.
>
> Why risk injury otherwise?
>
> Making yourself look scarier than you are works for hungry animals, but
> not for those that already feel threatened.
>
> Bill Bryson's 'a walk in the woods' concludes a chapter on how to deal
> with bears with
>
> 'Mostly bears don't attack. Sometimes they do'.
>
>

They can when thinking that you are blocking their means of escape.

greymaus

In comp.os.linux.misc Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:
>>In comp.os.linux.misc D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 11:18:57 +0100, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If I moved there I sure would need a .357 Magnum do defend myself
>>>>> if those cats are loose! I'd better practice my quick draw!
>>>>
>>>> I've had several encounters with cats without bloodshed. They
>>>> have a profile for prey and I don't fit it. Mountain bikers and
>>>> joggers fit the fleeing prey envelope rather well. Small children
>>>> are vulnerable. The last fatality in this state was in 1989, a 5
>>>> year old riding a tricycle.
>>>>
>>>> Not to anthropomorphize but in my encounters we made eye contact
>>>> and eventually went our separate ways. My feeling was the cat was
>>>> curious about this thing standing its ground and concluded it was
>>>> another apex predator best left alone.
>>>
>>> Wow! The only thing I remember having heard or read is, if meet
>>> bear, then try to appear huge and make some noise. Maybe it works
>>> on cats as well?
>>
>>Do keep in mind that outside of African savanna cats, the 'cats' that
>>someone will encounter backwoods in the US will be quite a bit
>>smaller than a bear (both in weight and in size). So a standing
>>human, holding his/her gound, will appear to the cat to be a possible
>>'foe' of 2x to 3x their height.
>
> A male Puma concolor, commonly found in california, is 5 feet long
> and 170 pounds. About the same size as a smaller adult black bear in
> california.

Ok, I was thinking 'grizzly' size, seems Grizzly's do range in the size
I had in mind (306lb to 858lb for males
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly>), and didn't realize we had
some rather big cats in the back-woods..

So that Puma would outweigh a fair subset of hikers, and even for
hikers who would outweigh the Puma, the Puma will win any altercation
with a weaponless hiker.

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 22:31:54 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:

> So that Puma would outweigh a fair subset of hikers, and even for hikers
> who would outweigh the Puma, the Puma will win any altercation with a
> weaponless hiker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n6jJBzT83E

I'm not volunteering for a cage match but like house cats mountain lions
depend on stealth to a great degree. There are a couple of trail camera
videos but they're very low quality. They do show the cat leaping on the
deer's back and biting the spine at the back of the neck.

There was an incident here where a lion attacked a young kid at a youth
group outing but a couple of the counselors more or less beat on the cat
until he left. They're adter a meal, not a pitched battle.

In comp.os.linux.misc D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>> My experience of both NYC and Chicago was day trips or overnight stays so
>> I don't know them as well as the Boston area.
>>
>> I was first in SF in the '80s before it had deteriorated, but again not
>> for a long stay. I lived in coastal New Hampshire and was used to the
>> weather patterns of the north Atlantic, cold morning fog that burned off
>> around noon. What impressed me was SF managed to spin that as 'delightful
>> sweater weather'.
>
> That con is frequently used in sweden. Sometimes I can get very close to
> killing people in sweden when I hear the tired old saying "det finns inga
> dåliga väder, bara dåliga kläder".
>
> My translation is, the person in question cannot afford to travel to the
> sun, so must firm up their psyche with nonsense. ;)

The 'google' translation is:

"there are none bad weather, only bad clothes"

I do not know any Sweedish, so I can't say which is the closer to the
actual meaning.

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 21:48:03 +0100, D wrote:

> True. That reminds me of a finnish army guy who first fought the
> russians in the finnish army, then joined the nazis, and fought russians
> together with them, then joined the US and fought in the Vietnam war.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauri_T%C3%B6rni#Career

That's quite a biography. I didn't know about him although I did knew
about Simo Häyhä. He was severely wounded during the Winter War and sat
out the Continuation War. I doubt he would have had a problem trading his
Mosin Nagant for a Karabiner 98k.

Häyhä preferred iron sights since scopes would fog up but I mounted a
scope on my 91/30 and it works a lot better for elderly eyes.

For what it's worth my wife came equipped with a Mosin Nagant M44. It kept
me honest.

https://www.huntinggearguy.com/rifle-reviews/mosin-nagant-m44-carbine/

The side folding bayonet is a nice touch. With the 91/30 first I have to
find it, and then fix it in place. I recently read Lyudmila Pavlichenko's
biography and found the rifle was referred to as a '3-line', a line being
0.10, hence .30 caliber. While she was an effective sniper her real
importance was as a propagandist trying to get Roosevelt to open the
second front to take the pressure off Russia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Lyudmila_Pavlichenko#Visits_to_Allied_countries

My ex had mentioned the novel 'The Diamond Eye' by Kate Quinn. Quinn
spices it up with a love story and other drama but it was interesting
enough that I wanted to read it in her own words. She was born in Kiev but
that was the Ukrainian SSR.

On 2024-11-10, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 10:39:42 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> This is totally true and the fact that people think they are cute and
>> wont shoot them makes it worse.
>>
>> Bloody lethal in a crash. Usually a write off at any speed. If you see
>> one, stop. It runs across in front of you and the rest all follow
>> blindly.
>>
>> Like bloody socialists.
>
> The state when I grew up had a Conservation Department that begged people
> to go out and shoot the damned deer. Every winter the newspaper would run
> articles showing hundreds of deer yarded up in deep snow and starving. Do-
> gooders would arrange hay to be dropped from helicopters. Next year, more
> starving deer.

A few decades ago, I was informed of at least one case where
do-gooders had left hay for an overpopulation of deer. The deer
continued to die. Analysis showed the deer starved to death with
full stomachs, because their digestive systems lacked the enzymes
to digest the types of hay that were being left for them.

--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 02:32:41 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.misc D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>> My experience of both NYC and Chicago was day trips or overnight stays
>>> so I don't know them as well as the Boston area.
>>>
>>> I was first in SF in the '80s before it had deteriorated, but again
>>> not for a long stay. I lived in coastal New Hampshire and was used to
>>> the weather patterns of the north Atlantic, cold morning fog that
>>> burned off around noon. What impressed me was SF managed to spin that
>>> as 'delightful sweater weather'.
>>
>> That con is frequently used in sweden. Sometimes I can get very close
>> to killing people in sweden when I hear the tired old saying "det finns
>> inga dåliga väder, bara dåliga kläder".
>>
>> My translation is, the person in question cannot afford to travel to
>> the sun, so must firm up their psyche with nonsense. ;)
>
> The 'google' translation is:
>
> "there are none bad weather, only bad clothes"
>
> I do not know any Sweedish, so I can't say which is the closer to the
> actual meaning.

https://www.treehugger.com/theres-no-such-thing-bad-weather-scandinavian-
moms-guide-raising-kids-book-review-4857921

Everybody has a version:

Es gibt kein schlechtes Wetter, nur schlechte Kleidung.

My coat tree reflects the saying; stick head out the door and select the
uniform of the day. It is topped with a ushanka fort hose shoveling snow
on sub-zero F days.

On 11/10/24 10:03 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 19:44:38 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> THESE days with fuel injection and smarter ignition
>> and aluminum pistons you can likely replace those 200 sixes with a
>> 200 straight or V-4 and get the same or even better performance. But,
>> for for the day ... the tough/simple/ez-service cast-iron solution.
>
> https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/reviews/a5041/
> performance-tests-first-drives-1965-ford-mustang-r-and-t-archive-drive/
>
> They didn't deign to test the 6, only the 260 and 289 V-8s but
>
> "The straight-line performance of the Mustangs we tried was about what you
> would expect. In all three versions, there was a tendency to lift the
> right rear wheel under hard acceleration but once underway the Mustang
> accelerated away at a brisk rate—the 289 4-speed getting through the
> standing quarter mile in about 16 sec, the automatic making it in about
> 17, a second slower, and the 3-speed 260 being about a second slower that
> that."
>
> https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle-make/toyota-0-60-mph-times/
>
> Most of the Yaris quarter mile times are in the 17 second range. The I4
> engine is a whipping 91 cubic inches (1.5 L). 2018 was the last year for
> the Yaris hatchback in the US. Even then the 4 door sedan was a rebadged
> Mazda 2.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_GR_Yaris

The "Mustang" was nothing but a Falcon chassis/engine
with a 'sporty' body bolted on top.

No especially great performance - but they LOOKED good !

> I'd love to get one of those but that's not happening in the US.
>
> Looking back at the '60s and '70s is depressing when it comes to what we
> thought were cool rides. I had a '71 AMC Javelin rental that I thought was
> a classy way to get around Minnesota at 90 mph or so.
>
> https://www.curbsideclassic.com/vintage-reviews/vintage-road-test-1971-
> amc-javelin-road-test-magazine-evaluates-a-regular-pony-car/
>
> 360 ci and 16.08 in the quarter. A Prius might embarrass it stop light to
> stop light.

Well, many EVs have GREAT torque ...

But they're really no better, or even worse, in
long-haul driving.

Detroit cars, by and large, were not really "high
performance" but "utilitarian' - get Joe consumer
to work, to the market, to grandmother's house,
at a bearable price.

> I don't think Moore's Law is applicable to cars but there is the same
> relationship when I compare my phone to hot computers of the past.

More is involved with cars than with Moore's Law.
It's always a price/performance/reliability thing
with cars and newer ISN'T always better.

And frankly the push to really short hoods just
made 'em UGLY. Gimme a '34 Packard 12 any time :-)

I'd decidedly consider a restored late 60s car - but
it'd have to come from some state where there's not
a lot of SALT being used (or in the air). That's just
a handful of central/western states.

Now to consider ... exactly WHAT kinds of extra IQ,
likely using a Pi/Linux, would be appropriate to
add to a late 60s vehicle ? I'd like better water
temp/flow info, better oil-pressure monitoring,
transmission oil temps, might be possible to get
a fair view of brake-pad thickness/temp/status,
at least some charts of exhaust temp/mix to
facilitate finer-tuning. *I* want to be informed,
but not Ford/Chevy/Vlad/Progressive/etc.

On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 01:19:02 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> I'd decidedly consider a restored late 60s car - but it'd have to
> come from some state where there's not a lot of SALT being used (or
> in the air). That's just a handful of central/western states.

The car shows here have a lot of restored '60s cars that look pristine. My
problem is I drove some of them when they were brand new and wasn't all
that impressed. My thing is the '40s fat fender coupes. Those were what
the cool people drove when I was a kid. I guess it's what you were
imprinted with.

On 11/11/2024 20:29, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:17:28 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 12:26:05 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Linux just kicked out all the Russian contributors.
>>>
>>> Torvalds doubled down by accusing anyone who disagreed of being a
>>> Russian troll. He would have been better off staying silent or pointing
>>> out the US location of the foundation.
>>
>> He has lost a lot of credibility after attending woke courses. Could
>> also be that he is being blackmailed... "Say this or we'll kick you
>> out".
>
> He did point out he is a Finn and they have a fraught relationship with
> Russia. Finland is one of those countries that would rather not discuss
> WWII. After the Winter War they allied with Germany for the Continuation
> War against the Soviets and then made a separate peace with the Soviets
> and entered into the half-hearted Lapland War as the Germans retreated to
> Norway. After WWII the relationship with the Soviets was complicated until
> 1991. They're feeling more secure these days and are anti-Russian.

Given the choice between Hitler or Stalin its a hard decision.
I imagine the feeling was that if allied with Germany they wouldn't get
invaded and taken over, whereas they would with Russia.

But I don't see why you are bothered. It's all along way from Missoula

--
“it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism
(or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans,
about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and
the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a
'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,'
a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet
things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that
you live neither in Joseph Stalin’s Communist era, nor in the Orwellian
utopia of 1984.”

Vaclav Klaus

On 11/11/2024 20:41, D wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 11/11/2024 19:45, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:51:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Isolationism led to Pearl  Harbour...and 911
>>>
>>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to philosophy; your grasp of history is
>>> deficient.
>> Wrong on both counts. Stick to parochial matters
>>
>
> I think rbowman has impressed me the most with his grasp of history, and
> our differences when it comes to philosophy speak for themselves. So no
> points for you I'm afraid. ;)

This inst a fucking debating society.
This is the future of civilisation.

Of course for you comfortable stay at homes that's a vague intellectual
concept that you really don't have or need much grasp of.

You stay in your safe spaces while the rest of try to make sure they
stay that way, OK?

--
“Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of
a car with the cramped public exposure of 
an airplane.”

Dennis Miller

On 12/11/2024 02:32, Rich wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>> My experience of both NYC and Chicago was day trips or overnight stays so
>>> I don't know them as well as the Boston area.
>>>
>>> I was first in SF in the '80s before it had deteriorated, but again not
>>> for a long stay. I lived in coastal New Hampshire and was used to the
>>> weather patterns of the north Atlantic, cold morning fog that burned off
>>> around noon. What impressed me was SF managed to spin that as 'delightful
>>> sweater weather'.
>>
>> That con is frequently used in sweden. Sometimes I can get very close to
>> killing people in sweden when I hear the tired old saying "det finns inga
>> dåliga väder, bara dåliga kläder".
>>
>> My translation is, the person in question cannot afford to travel to the
>> sun, so must firm up their psyche with nonsense. ;)
>
> The 'google' translation is:
>
> "there are none bad weather, only bad clothes"
>
> I do not know any Sweedish, so I can't say which is the closer to the
> actual meaning.

It's used in the UK as 'there is no such thing as bad weather, only bad
clothes'

--
If I had all the money I've spent on drink...
...I'd spend it on drink.

Sir Henry (at Rawlinson's End)

On 12/11/2024 06:19, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> Now to consider ... exactly WHAT kinds of extra IQ,
>   likely using a Pi/Linux, would be appropriate to
>   add to a late 60s vehicle ? I'd like better water
>   temp/flow info, better oil-pressure monitoring,
>   transmission oil temps, might be possible to get
>   a fair view of brake-pad thickness/temp/status,
>   at least some charts of exhaust temp/mix to
>   facilitate finer-tuning. *I* want to be informed,
>   but not Ford/Chevy/Vlad/Progressive/etc.

The day I bought a car with electronic ignition and fuel injection was
the day I said goodbye to 'crank no start'

I spent my entire youth clearing blocked carburettors, flooded engines
and adjusting points gaps

I am entirely happy with engine management systems!

--
There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do
that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent
renewable energy.