On 09/11/2024 20:58, D wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 13:11:42 +0100, D wrote:
>>
>>> Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. For me, its just an animal,
>>> and if I feel the need to see one I can just go to the Zoo and save a
>>> tonne of money, time and hassle. It was also dirty, hot, and annoying
>>> when I had to have 2 AK-47 guards when walking around in Nairobi (this
>>> was several decades ago).
>>
>> The Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument adjoins the Mexican border.
>> Quitobaquito Springs lies in the border and for a while armed park
>> rangers
>> would take visitors to it in a van. The last time I was down I could
>> drive
>> out by myself. I was armed, of course. Apparently it's completely closed
>> now.
>>
>> https://www.nps.gov/orpi/learn/historyculture/quitobaquito-springs.htm
>>
>> You don't have to go to Nairobi to be in an informal war zone.
>>
>
> Very much true!
Only as far as Hollywood and downtown LA.

--
There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons
that sound good.

Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)

On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 14:10:13 +0100, D wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 05:55:54 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>
>>> God Bless America!
>>
>> Gott strafe England. It took a while but considering the current state
>> he finally got around to it.
>>
>>
> England? I think god has expanded his punishment a bit to include all of
> europe. ;)

It does seem so. I realize that the causes of WWI were complicated but I
put the major part on England's desire to put down a recently unified
Germany that was starting to threaten their hold on the world.

The blockade of Germany for 6 months after the armistice that caused many
deaths from starvation and the draconian terms of Versailles inevitably
led to WWII. If it wasn't Hitler it would have been someone else.

Allying with the Soviets led to the enslavement of half of Europe. The
Brits could have extended the Phoney War and let the Axis powers drive the
Communists to the east of the Urals if not into the sea but Churchill had
to open a second front to help Stalin.

I suppose it could go back to France's attempt to save its dying empire in
1870. Bismarck used that very effectively.

And here we are now.

On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 20:37:31 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 09/11/2024 20:19, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 06:37:12 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> Ive had a lot of experience with Glaswegian drunks...This guy was no
>>> different. He just wanted someone to pay him the respect of listening
>>> to him
>>
>> Until recently a drunk in Glascow didn't hate whitey and have a
>> Saturday night special in his pocket.
> Still doesn't as you would know if you had bothered to travel

Are you sure?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/01/gun-rising-in-two-thirds-
of-police-force-areas-in-england-and-wales

Were I to visit Europe it would be Germany, Ireland, and maybe Norway,
certainly not Glasgow.

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/all-about/crime

On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 22:00:07 +0100, D wrote:

> Reminds me, 5 years ago I saw deer in central Stockholm! Apparently
> they'd been swimming from some place and somehow appeared in the middle
> of the city.

https://www.kpax.com/news/missoula-county/oh-deer-missoulas-injured-urban-
deer

Missoula is a tenth the size of Stockholm and is surrounded by wild lands
but the deer are sort of mobile lawn ornaments. I've seen them look both
ways before crossing a street which is more than some of the homeless do.

There's a whole program aimed at discouraging bears.

https://missoulacountyvoice.com/bear-smart-missoula/widgets/73405/faqs

The bears even have their own web page.

https://missoulabears.org/october-2024/

"As fall progresses into winter and snow levels increase in the
surrounding mountains more lions will be relocating to the lower
elevations where big game winter. Remember, wherever you see deer or elk
activity expect mountain lions to be in the vicinity."

That's one of the problems with having a lot of deer; cats love a nice
venison dinner.

On 11/6/24 2:01 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Nov 2024 18:17:02 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:
>
>
>> For the majority of drivers, their car is "magic" to them as well. They
>> have no idea how any of it works, nor do they have any care to know even
>> the slightest amount of how it works.
>
> Too true. I'm an oddity when I shop for a car since I pop the hood while
> the salesman blathers on. I do my own maintenance and want to be sure it
> will be feasible. My Toyota's maintenance schedule is rather boring --
> replace the oil and filter every 5K -- but I made sure the filter is
> accessible. It's tight but I can reach down from the top to unscrew it
> although I still need to go to ground to remove the drain plug.
>
> Being a Toyota that's about it although I have three bikes that keep me in
> practice. They're not as bullet proof.

Had plenty of bikes, before my legs got old. Some
are easy, some not at all. Liked the big heavy
cruisers, pref for Japanese.

The overall 'best' car today is probably Toyota,
but Honda's are very reliable too (NOT sure about
accessing the bits these days however).

KINDA in the market for another car - never buy
new, always "tested". Maybe a simple Corolla.
A couple of Subaru's look OK but tend to get
a more premium price. Frankly NOT hot on 'smart'
cars at all. I'd love a '69 Falcon with the 200
six ... had one long long ago. Super-simple, a
tank, you could kinda literally climb into the
hood to get at the parts, adequate performance,
didn't report your every move to the company.
Could maybe add a little selected 'smartness'
with a PI ....

On 2024-11-08, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Or you could become a monk.
>> No worries, cradle to the grave socialism, but not much in the way of
>> food, no shagging (officially) and an awful lot of god bothering. But
>> you learnt to read and write
>
> I think mediaeval monks ate pretty well, certainly better than the
> peasants. Ascetics they weren’t.

And there was the beer...

Niklas
--
Ravenously hungry, TR and his party ate some surprisingly tasty piranhas. In
another first, Roosevelt thus became the only former U.S. president who actually
was a man eating piranha. -- "America the Last Best Hope: From a World of War to
the Triumph of Freedom", William J. Bennett

On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 21:07:17 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>>> You don't have to go to Nairobi to be in an informal war zone.
>>>
>>>
>> Very much true!
> Only as far as Hollywood and downtown LA.

Actually, Hollywood and downtown LA are relatively safe. 'LA' encompasses
many neighborhoods and you'd better know where you are. I used to ride the
Santa Ana bike trail. At the time it only went from the Yorba Regional
Park down to Newport Beach.

https://www.traillink.com/trail/santa-ana-river-trail/

You passed horse stables, the Nixon library on Yorba Lina, the Anaheim
Stadium. and eventually made it to one of the wealthiest areas in the US
at Newport Beach. You also rode through Santa Ana.

https://crimegrade.org/violent-crime-santa-ana-ca/

No horses, only gang graffiti. I never had a problem but then I wasn't
engaging the locals and indulging in pop psychology.

That was in the 90s. More recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF7hWzqdPDk

You want third world squalor? We got it! I think the video and the
embarrassment led to closing down the trail for a few months and
bulldozing everything into garbage trucks. The people didn't evaporate so
they must have moved to some area not so photogenic.

On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 20:37:02 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> I'd love a '69 Falcon with the 200
> six ... had one long long ago. Super-simple, a tank, you could kinda
> literally climb into the hood to get at the parts, adequate
> performance,
> didn't report your every move to the company. Could maybe add a
> little selected 'smartness' with a PI ....

I had a '62 2 door Falcon Futura Sports Sedan white with a black vinyl
top. It looked like a shrunken T-Bird and thought it was a Jeep. One
Christmas holiday I was at my cousin's in NJ when a blizzard hit so bad
the NYS Thruway was closed. The Taconic Parkway was open so I took that.
My mother whined all the way but we made it to Troy. The 170 was no fire
breather but it kept on going.

It was diametrically opposed to my '62 Continental if you want to talk
about tanks. 5400 lbs at the curb with a 430 engine. It had a fondness for
fuel pumps and the forward opening hood made for a miserable experience.
They should have done it like the Triumph Spitfire where the whole front
end swung up and you could it on a tire while working on it.

On 11/9/24 9:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 20:37:02 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> I'd love a '69 Falcon with the 200
>> six ... had one long long ago. Super-simple, a tank, you could kinda
>> literally climb into the hood to get at the parts, adequate
>> performance,
>> didn't report your every move to the company. Could maybe add a
>> little selected 'smartness' with a PI ....
>
> I had a '62 2 door Falcon Futura Sports Sedan white with a black vinyl
> top. It looked like a shrunken T-Bird and thought it was a Jeep. One
> Christmas holiday I was at my cousin's in NJ when a blizzard hit so bad
> the NYS Thruway was closed. The Taconic Parkway was open so I took that.
> My mother whined all the way but we made it to Troy. The 170 was no fire
> breather but it kept on going.

I had a friend with a couple of old Mercs - a 61 and 64 if I
recall correctly. Both under 200ci. The older one only had
a TWO-speed tranny. Again, not fire-breathers by any measure,
but they WERE tanks and you COULD get at all the relevant parts.

By the early 70s the quality of American cars suddenly went
down the tubes. Japanese competition was rising so they decided
to cut costs. NOT good.

> It was diametrically opposed to my '62 Continental if you want to talk
> about tanks. 5400 lbs at the curb with a 430 engine. It had a fondness for
> fuel pumps and the forward opening hood made for a miserable experience.
> They should have done it like the Triumph Spitfire where the whole front
> end swung up and you could it on a tire while working on it.

Well, THAT would be TOO EASY for the consumer ! :-)

As for Falcons ... the model line DID persist for a very
long time in Australia. There was one local maker though
who made a "better Falcon", heavier suspension intended
to cope with the rough Aussie roads.

Anyway, those older cars CAN be had - in various stages
of repair/re-do. The prices ain't THAT bad. My only
concern would be PARTS - though you'd think 3-D printers
could create most anything these days.

Looks like 1983 was the last year of the traditional
inline-six alas - from Chrysler corp. Good engines
all in all, just enough and simple. Never quite GOT
the Slant-6 ... WHY they slanted it .....

On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 02:08:15 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> Looks like 1983 was the last year of the traditional inline-six alas
> - from Chrysler corp. Good engines all in all, just enough and
> simple. Never quite GOT the Slant-6 ... WHY they slanted it .....

My '86 Ford F150 has a inline-six. I think they went to a V-6 in '87. I
had a '80 Camaro with an I-6 but the '82 Firebird was a V-6. I'd had a '51
Chevy with the old stovebolt 6 216 that was rugged despite the strange
oiling system.

I liked the slant sixes. The slant was to get a lower hood line.
Supposedly the intake manifold made for better fuel distribution. If you
wanted to hot rod it there were some good aftermarket designs. The only
weird thing were the plugs. They sat in a sort of separate metal cup with
an o-ring but they all were easy to remove.

Then there was my '49 Chrysler with the straight 8. My to-be wife didn't
enjoy becoming the duty driver. it was fine on the road but parallel
parking it without power steering kept her biceps tuned up.

On 11/10/24 01:35, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 22:00:07 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Reminds me, 5 years ago I saw deer in central Stockholm! Apparently
>> they'd been swimming from some place and somehow appeared in the middle
>> of the city.
>
> https://www.kpax.com/news/missoula-county/oh-deer-missoulas-injured-urban-
> deer
>
> Missoula is a tenth the size of Stockholm and is surrounded by wild lands
> but the deer are sort of mobile lawn ornaments. I've seen them look both
> ways before crossing a street which is more than some of the homeless do.
>

Don't you get deer everywhere? You get them in the outskirts of London,
certainly just outside the M25 (the London ring road). They seem wild to
me. I've never seen them look before crossing the road, and I have
actually collided with one when driving. I was lucky and managed to
brake, but I know a lot of people who have seriously damaged their cars

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 20:37:31 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 09/11/2024 20:19, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 06:37:12 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> Ive had a lot of experience with Glaswegian drunks...This guy was
>>>> no different. He just wanted someone to pay him the respect of
>>>> listening to him
>>>
>>> Until recently a drunk in Glascow didn't hate whitey and have a
>>> Saturday night special in his pocket.
>> Still doesn't as you would know if you had bothered to travel
>
> Are you sure?
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/01/gun-rising-in-two-thirds-
> of-police-force-areas-in-england-and-wales
>
> Were I to visit Europe it would be Germany, Ireland, and maybe Norway,
> certainly not Glasgow.
>
> https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/all-about/crime

I’m not as well-travelled as TNP, but I have been to Glasgow a number of
times, rather than just got in a tizzy about what I saw in the local
press. It’s fine. You’re not going to get shot there.

--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

On Sun, 10 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 22:00:07 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Reminds me, 5 years ago I saw deer in central Stockholm! Apparently
>> they'd been swimming from some place and somehow appeared in the middle
>> of the city.
>
> https://www.kpax.com/news/missoula-county/oh-deer-missoulas-injured-urban-
> deer
>
> Missoula is a tenth the size of Stockholm and is surrounded by wild lands
> but the deer are sort of mobile lawn ornaments. I've seen them look both
> ways before crossing a street which is more than some of the homeless do.

If it is that small, the deer must be popping up behind every stick and
stone!

When I go to my country house, there's plenty of deer, and I've started to
see fox coming back, and I've seen a mink once. Fortunately no bears yet,
but the southern most one I heard of was only 70 km north, so I guess it
is just a matter of time.

> There's a whole program aimed at discouraging bears.

Honey is the key! Small jars of honey placed in strategic locations and
they'll focus on eating instead of roaming. ;)

> https://missoulacountyvoice.com/bear-smart-missoula/widgets/73405/faqs
>
> The bears even have their own web page.
>
> https://missoulabears.org/october-2024/
>
> "As fall progresses into winter and snow levels increase in the
> surrounding mountains more lions will be relocating to the lower
> elevations where big game winter. Remember, wherever you see deer or elk
> activity expect mountain lions to be in the vicinity."
>
> That's one of the problems with having a lot of deer; cats love a nice
> venison dinner.

If I moved there I sure would need a .357 Magnum do defend myself if those
cats are loose! I'd better practice my quick draw!

On Sun, 10 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 21:07:17 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>>>> You don't have to go to Nairobi to be in an informal war zone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Very much true!
>> Only as far as Hollywood and downtown LA.
>
> Actually, Hollywood and downtown LA are relatively safe. 'LA' encompasses
> many neighborhoods and you'd better know where you are. I used to ride the
> Santa Ana bike trail. At the time it only went from the Yorba Regional
> Park down to Newport Beach.
>
> https://www.traillink.com/trail/santa-ana-river-trail/
>
> You passed horse stables, the Nixon library on Yorba Lina, the Anaheim
> Stadium. and eventually made it to one of the wealthiest areas in the US
> at Newport Beach. You also rode through Santa Ana.
>
> https://crimegrade.org/violent-crime-santa-ana-ca/
>
> No horses, only gang graffiti. I never had a problem but then I wasn't
> engaging the locals and indulging in pop psychology.
>
> That was in the 90s. More recently
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF7hWzqdPDk
>
> You want third world squalor? We got it! I think the video and the
> embarrassment led to closing down the trail for a few months and
> bulldozing everything into garbage trucks. The people didn't evaporate so
> they must have moved to some area not so photogenic.

This is the US I like, the US that actually does something about a
problem and doesn't let it grow for decades like sweden, becoming europes
rape capital.

On 09/11/2024 21:12, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 14:10:13 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 05:55:54 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> God Bless America!
>>>
>>> Gott strafe England. It took a while but considering the current state
>>> he finally got around to it.
>>>
>>>
>> England? I think god has expanded his punishment a bit to include all of
>> europe. ;)
>
> It does seem so. I realize that the causes of WWI were complicated but I
> put the major part on England's desire to put down a recently unified
> Germany that was starting to threaten their hold on the world.
>
> The blockade of Germany for 6 months after the armistice that caused many
> deaths from starvation and the draconian terms of Versailles inevitably
> led to WWII. If it wasn't Hitler it would have been someone else.
>
> Allying with the Soviets led to the enslavement of half of Europe. The
> Brits could have extended the Phoney War and let the Axis powers drive the
> Communists to the east of the Urals if not into the sea but Churchill had
> to open a second front to help Stalin.
>
> I suppose it could go back to France's attempt to save its dying empire in
> 1870. Bismarck used that very effectively.
>
> And here we are now.

Oh dear. The amateur view of history.
Colonialism was already on the wane and could not last much longer.
Germany and Austro Hungary teamed up to make trouble.
They didn't have an empire like the seafaring nations did.

"Millenarianism is a belief held by a religious, political or social
group or movement that a coming major transformation will occur, after
which all things will be changed. For Germany, leading into World War I,
historians report that the Spirit of 1914 was high, with support from
the German population for participation in the war. The German
government believed that the onset of war and its support of
Austria-Hungary was a way to secure its place as a leading power, which
was supported by public nationalism and further united it behind the
monarchy. The success Germans saw in the opening battles of WWI provided
a platform for the German government to position itself as able to
accomplish more when unified and nationalistic. However, this
millenarianism was short-lived, as Germany was unprepared to fight the
long war, which took a dramatic and demoralizing toll on its people and
later set the stage for the rise of the Third Reich, less than two
decades later."

So it was a populist movement, not one of colonialists. Germany wanted
to be *respected* in Europe.

It wasn't a colonial war, it was a European war, just like WWII started as.

Again started by Germany's innate sense of superiority.

And the EU itself is based in practice on German and French domination
of Europe, just not with tanks.

And Russia which kinda got a bit left out now wants some of the action
as well.

All 19th century shit. Putin is living in some alternate reality.

--
“I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the
greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives.”

― Leo Tolstoy

On 10/11/2024 01:14, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 20:37:31 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 09/11/2024 20:19, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 06:37:12 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ive had a lot of experience with Glaswegian drunks...This guy was no
>>>> different. He just wanted someone to pay him the respect of listening
>>>> to him
>>>
>>> Until recently a drunk in Glascow didn't hate whitey and have a
>>> Saturday night special in his pocket.
>> Still doesn't as you would know if you had bothered to travel
>
> Are you sure?
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/01/gun-rising-in-two-thirds-
> of-police-force-areas-in-england-and-wales
>
> Were I to visit Europe it would be Germany, Ireland, and maybe Norway,
> certainly not Glasgow.
>
> https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/all-about/crime
>
Both of those sites feature predominately *white* criminals.

And by the way, only Marxists read the Guardian and only total imbeciles
believe it.
It has offered its staff free counselling to deal with the shock of a a
Trump victory...

Once again your insularity has prevented you from understanding how
things are outside Montana. Which is I admit, a very nice place to live.
If a bit Bible-ish for my taste

--
Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

On 10/11/2024 09:54, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 20:37:31 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 09/11/2024 20:19, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 06:37:12 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> Ive had a lot of experience with Glaswegian drunks...This guy was
>>>>> no different. He just wanted someone to pay him the respect of
>>>>> listening to him
>>>>
>>>> Until recently a drunk in Glascow didn't hate whitey and have a
>>>> Saturday night special in his pocket.
>>> Still doesn't as you would know if you had bothered to travel
>>
>> Are you sure?
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/01/gun-rising-in-two-thirds-
>> of-police-force-areas-in-england-and-wales
>>
>> Were I to visit Europe it would be Germany, Ireland, and maybe Norway,
>> certainly not Glasgow.
>>
>> https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/all-about/crime
>
> I’m not as well-travelled as TNP, but I have been to Glasgow a number of
> times, rather than just got in a tizzy about what I saw in the local
> press. It’s fine. You’re not going to get shot there.
>

Have you? Actually outside of the harder areas, its pretty good on a
Saturday night. I had a girlfriend from around there ah long long time ago..

The place I hurried through was Bradford, back in the day.

And today's Birmingham is not to my taste.

Whitey, as Mr Bowman says is not hated by Blackie, but by men with
beards waving the Q'ran.

I know of someone who was in the gay bar that got shot up in Oslo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Oslo_shooting

That, along with Mr Putin's fantasies of 'being respected' is the bigger
threat.

As 911 showed.

--
All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that
all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is
fully understood.

On 10/11/2024 01:35, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 22:00:07 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Reminds me, 5 years ago I saw deer in central Stockholm! Apparently
>> they'd been swimming from some place and somehow appeared in the middle
>> of the city.
>
> https://www.kpax.com/news/missoula-county/oh-deer-missoulas-injured-urban-
> deer
>
> Missoula is a tenth the size of Stockholm and is surrounded by wild lands
> but the deer are sort of mobile lawn ornaments. I've seen them look both
> ways before crossing a street which is more than some of the homeless do.
>
> There's a whole program aimed at discouraging bears.
>
> https://missoulacountyvoice.com/bear-smart-missoula/widgets/73405/faqs
>
> The bears even have their own web page.
>
> https://missoulabears.org/october-2024/
>
> "As fall progresses into winter and snow levels increase in the
> surrounding mountains more lions will be relocating to the lower
> elevations where big game winter. Remember, wherever you see deer or elk
> activity expect mountain lions to be in the vicinity."
>
> That's one of the problems with having a lot of deer; cats love a nice
> venison dinner.

Lucky you to have the pumas.

Round here the deer are out of control and wander in an out of my back
garden

Every couple of years a licensed marksman comes along and cuts the herds
down from 100+ to 20 or so.

Bears would be interesting to have. WE used to. And wolves. But we
killed them all

Have shit loads of badgers instead. Not the same as USA badger.

--
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit
atrocities.”

― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de
Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de
M. de Voltaire

On 10/11/2024 09:09, Pancho wrote:
> On 11/10/24 01:35, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 22:00:07 +0100, D wrote:
>>
>>> Reminds me, 5 years ago I saw deer in central Stockholm! Apparently
>>> they'd been swimming from some place and somehow appeared in the middle
>>> of the city.
>>
>> https://www.kpax.com/news/missoula-county/oh-deer-missoulas-injured-urban-
>> deer
>>
>> Missoula is a tenth the size of Stockholm and is surrounded by wild lands
>> but the deer are sort of mobile lawn ornaments. I've seen them look both
>> ways before crossing a street which is more than some of the homeless do.
>>
>
> Don't you get deer everywhere? You get them in the outskirts of London,
> certainly just outside the M25 (the London ring road). They seem wild to
> me. I've never seen them look before crossing the road, and I have
> actually collided with one when driving. I was lucky and managed to
> brake, but I know a lot of people who have seriously damaged their cars
>
This is totally true and the fact that people think they are cute and
wont shoot them makes it worse.

Bloody lethal in a crash. Usually a write off at any speed. If you see
one, stop. It runs across in front of you and the rest all follow blindly.

Like bloody socialists.

Wild deer - escapes and genuine wild one - now cover most of Britain.

>
>

--
The higher up the mountainside
The greener grows the grass.
The higher up the monkey climbs
The more he shows his arse.

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On 10/11/2024 01:59, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
> On 2024-11-08, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> Or you could become a monk.
>>> No worries, cradle to the grave socialism, but not much in the way of
>>> food, no shagging (officially) and an awful lot of god bothering. But
>>> you learnt to read and write
>>
>> I think mediaeval monks ate pretty well, certainly better than the
>> peasants. Ascetics they weren’t.
>
> And there was the beer...
>
> Niklas

Well yes, so weak that people could drink a gallon of it without
becoming drunk.
Bit like American beer.
[hard] Cider was the real McCoy. And mead. And wine.

--
Of what good are dead warriors? … Warriors are those who desire battle
more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump
their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the
battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is
that they are dead.
Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.

On 10/11/2024 02:09, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 21:07:17 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>>>> You don't have to go to Nairobi to be in an informal war zone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Very much true!
>> Only as far as Hollywood and downtown LA.
>
> Actually, Hollywood and downtown LA are relatively safe. 'LA' encompasses
> many neighborhoods and you'd better know where you are. I used to ride the
> Santa Ana bike trail. At the time it only went from the Yorba Regional
> Park down to Newport Beach.
>
> https://www.traillink.com/trail/santa-ana-river-trail/
>
> You passed horse stables, the Nixon library on Yorba Lina, the Anaheim
> Stadium. and eventually made it to one of the wealthiest areas in the US
> at Newport Beach. You also rode through Santa Ana.
>
> https://crimegrade.org/violent-crime-santa-ana-ca/
>
> No horses, only gang graffiti. I never had a problem but then I wasn't
> engaging the locals and indulging in pop psychology.
>
> That was in the 90s. More recently
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF7hWzqdPDk

Ah the brave new world of Liberal Socialism.

You might be interested to do a tour through Soweto... The johannesburg
township

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM37n4hm3wU

Far less walls and razor wire than the affluent suburbs.

I'd far rather be there than the homeless parts of LA

But its not all great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3whmxtk_-bs

That's what happens when a caring sharing communist government takes over

>
> You want third world squalor? We got it! I think the video and the
> embarrassment led to closing down the trail for a few months and
> bulldozing everything into garbage trucks. The people didn't evaporate so
> they must have moved to some area not so photogenic.
>
>
>
>

--
Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich
people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason
they are poor.

Peter Thompson

On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 10:23:17 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 09/11/2024 21:12, rbowman wrote:
> > On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 14:10:13 +0100, D wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 05:55:54 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> God Bless America!
[]
> It wasn't a colonial war, it was a European war, just like WWII started as.
>
> Again started by Germany's innate sense of superiority.
>
> And the EU itself is based in practice on German and French domination
> of Europe, just not with tanks.
>
> And Russia which kinda got a bit left out now wants some of the action
> as well.
>
> All 19th century shit. Putin is living in some alternate reality.
>

Anyone here want to talk about computers or linux?

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On 2024-11-10, Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 10:23:17 +0000
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 09/11/2024 21:12, rbowman wrote:
>> > On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 14:10:13 +0100, D wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 05:55:54 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> God Bless America!
> []
>> It wasn't a colonial war, it was a European war, just like WWII started as.
>>
>> Again started by Germany's innate sense of superiority.
>>
>> And the EU itself is based in practice on German and French domination
>> of Europe, just not with tanks.
>>
>> And Russia which kinda got a bit left out now wants some of the action
>> as well.
>>
>> All 19th century shit. Putin is living in some alternate reality.
>>
>
> Anyone here want to talk about computers or linux?
>
>

They are not nearly as much fun as they used to be?. I hope to be able
to write through vim with out misspressings before I die. Oh, Oh,
another twinge,

--
greymausg@mail.com
slow death to influencers

On 2024-11-10, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 10/11/2024 01:14, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 20:37:31 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/11/2024 20:19, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 06:37:12 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ive had a lot of experience with Glaswegian drunks...This guy was no
>>>>> different. He just wanted someone to pay him the respect of listening
>>>>> to him
>>>>
>>>> Until recently a drunk in Glascow didn't hate whitey and have a
>>>> Saturday night special in his pocket.
>>> Still doesn't as you would know if you had bothered to travel
>>
>> Are you sure?
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/01/gun-rising-in-two-thirds-
>> of-police-force-areas-in-england-and-wales
>>
>> Were I to visit Europe it would be Germany, Ireland, and maybe Norway,
>> certainly not Glasgow.
>>
>> https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/all-about/crime
>>
> Both of those sites feature predominately *white* criminals.
>
> And by the way, only Marxists read the Guardian and only total imbeciles
> believe it.
> It has offered its staff free counselling to deal with the shock of a a
> Trump victory...

There is no such thing as free counciling, The bonnie Prince's memorial
is as good as it gets, Then I see a plaque?, for him in the vatican,

>
> Once again your insularity has prevented you from understanding how
> things are outside Montana. Which is I admit, a very nice place to live.
> If a bit Bible-ish for my taste
>
>
>

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slow death to influencers

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
> Lucky you to have the pumas.
>
> Round here the deer are out of control and wander in an out of my back
> garden
>
> Every couple of years a licensed marksman comes along and cuts the
> herds down from 100+ to 20 or so.
>
> Bears would be interesting to have. WE used to. And wolves. But we
> killed them all
>
> Have shit loads of badgers instead. Not the same as USA badger.

They dig under my fence to get into my garden.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ewxrjk/54059150632

I think I saw an urban muntjac somewhere local a while back too.

(In an attempt head back at least in the direction of technology: the
trailcam used above is a Ceyomur C65, and I’m pleased with it.)

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https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/