On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 02:41:28 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:

> On 2025-01-12, root <NoEMail@home.org> wrote:
>> Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am glad I did not get a Pi-5. I have had enough problems getting the
>>> GUI to start up at boot time with my Pi-4B that I decided to just run
>>> it in headless server mode.
>>>
>>>
>> I can't understand your problems. I have two Pi4B and a Pi5 running
>> 24/7. It is convenient that they all take the same version of Raspian.
>>
All three worked right up on the first boot. You do, however,
>> have to make sure you have a good power unit.
>
> I did not mention that I run Fedora.

Okay. The Canakit came with Raspberry Pi OS on a microSD. I'm lazy and it
works. I've got too many distros already and didn't need another
adventure.

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 00:31:54 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> While attractive, some micro-PCs might be even better for that than a
> Pi. Check SuperMicro - they have some very small boards/boxes that
> are perfect for that kind of need. Impressive boards actually,
> connectors for interfaces even I'd never heard of.

SuperMicro the company that does blade servers? I didn't think small was
in their vocabulary.

On 1/13/25 1:17 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 00:21:26 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> On 1/12/25 7:07 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2025-01-12, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The 8086 would have been better, but the extra wiring apparently
>>>> would have pushed up the price too much according to some old
>>>> interview with an IBM guy.
>>>> They didn't KNOW it would be super-successful, so they kinda
>>>> hedged their bets, split the diff. 640k banks were a hell of a lot
>>>> better than 64k banks.
>>>
>>> The 64K barrier was alive and well on the 8086/8.
>>> I wrote a lot of horrible code to deal with large arrays. Then there
>>> were all the memory models: tiny, small, large,
>>> huge... yuck.
>>>
>>>> The instructions for the 8088 were "familiar" to anyone who did
>>>> the 8008/8080 and not TOO far from Z-80 sensibility - so I think
>>>> that cinched Intel as the maker. WISH they'd used the 68000s. Ever
>>>> see the Sage boxes ... gone alas before I could afford one .......
>>>
>>> I got into the Amiga and enjoyed the 68000 that way.
>>
>> Alas I spent big $$$ and bought the very first Amiga model. NOTHING
>> but "Guru Meditation" errors ... dumped the thing and bought a PC
>> clone.
>
> I didn't have anything that sophisticated; I bought a 68000 evaluation
> board. I also have my Captain Zilog t-shirt from a Z8000 seminar but I
> never had one in my hands. I don't know how much Exxon had to do with it
> but it quickly became apparent the Z8000 was an 'also ran' and the Z80000
> never hit the streets. I loved the Z80 but Zilog did a lot better dropping
> zeroes than adding them. The Z8 lives on but a $200 development kit isn't
> very attractive.

There's a big tree of successes - and bigger tree of
serious FAILS - in the chip histories.

SO many Great Ideas - but SO few managed to Carry On.

The reasons weren't always logical, performance or
capability based. Often it was something as stupid
as a factory that couldn't build enough fast/cheap
enough.

The Z8000 was a good chip. The Z8's are good chips.
But Intel/AMD/ARM can build chips in much higher
volume for much less - so ......

MAYbe if there'd been a Z80000 64 bitter ???

Forget 'merit' ... doesn't count for much. ECONOMICS
counts a LOT more.

Always loved the TI-9900 chips - hardware multi-user
and multi-tasking. But, couldn't carry on. No Future.
'Transputers' kinda the same. Yer cheapo i9 just
slays 'em all.

On 1/12/25 7:19 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 14:40:46 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
>
>> I think it was 1981 that Motorola announced the LANCE chip, which made
>> Ethernet practical. Lots of companies designed products around it, but
>> in the end it was 2 years late to ship production quantities.
>
> The early '80s were insane. Companies were quoting delivery dates out a
> year or more. If you could dangle a high volume order you might get better
> treatment but the company I was with didn't operate on that scale. The
> 8751 would have been a better choice but we could get 8749s.

Motorola made GOOD chips for a span.

The 6809/68000s were GREAT.

A lot of their peripherial chips were GREAT too.

They were a real player.

But SOMETHING went wrong ... price/volume/quality
as time went on.

NOT such an unusual story alas.

SO many chip lines FAILED ... and not always
for lack of merit.

On 1/13/25 12:14 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2025-01-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 12:00:56 +0100, D wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/11/25 9:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply
>>>>>> tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very
>>>>>> shitty ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're
>>>>> really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
>>>>
>>>> Kinda half and half ... term heard most often in Alabama and
>>>> Mississippi.
>>>
>>> Ahh! I know a thing or two about Alabama. I've seen Forrest Gump! =)
>>
>> You're about 70 years too late for the real fun. My brother worked at
>> Redstone in Huntsville AL in the '50s. Alabama was completely segregated,
>> with the whites and blacks working out a more or less comfortable
>> arrangement. The engineers, mostly white northerners, didn't have a clue
>> how the social boundaries worked. I'm sure von Braun's crew had some
>> interesting thoughts on American hypocrisy.
>
> The movie _Hidden Figures_ has an interesting take on this.

Be careful of 'movie truths' .......

The 'black'/'white' equation in the USA south
was much more complicated, nuanced, than the
various literary/media/film crusaders want to
portray.

And yes, I'm old enough to remember the tail end
of "Jim Crow" - SEEN "Whites Only"/"Colored"
drinking fountains and waiting rooms and such.

But it was NEVER as simple as the Crusaders
now sell us.

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, Robert Heller wrote:

> At Sun, 12 Jan 2025 17:06:16 -0000 (UTC) root <NoEMail@home.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am glad I did not get a Pi-5. I have had enough problems getting
>>> the GUI to start up at boot time with my Pi-4B that I decided to just
>>> run it in headless server mode.
>>>
>>
>> I can't understand your problems. I have two Pi4B and a Pi5 running
>> 24/7. It is convenient that they all take the same version of
>> Raspian.
All three worked right up on the first boot. You do, however,
>> have to make sure you have a good power unit.
>>
>
> Good quality uSD cards are also good. SanDisk cards are very good.

Are there any memory cards that are more resistant to corruption during
power outtage?

>>
>
> --
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>

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 12/01/2025 18:33, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/01/2025 23:41, D wrote:
>>>> Fun fact... when Ericsson built out cell phone
>>>> networks in africa, they quickly discovered that every base station
>>>> needed
>>>> guards. If not, as soon as they were built, and the crew left, some local
>>>> tribes
>>>> dismantled it and sold it as junk.
>>>
>>> Musk got that one right with Starlink. Kinda hard to pillage a satellite
>>> 60 miles overhead..
>>
>> You just wait! I am certain shortly they will construct state of the art
>> crossbows and shoot them down. ;)
> Did you see the Ukrainian drone with a shotgun? Shot down 2 drones and
> terminated a Russian in a trench.

Really?! Truly life imitates usenet art! ;) Do you have a link?

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 12/01/2025 18:36, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/01/2025 23:44, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  You REALLY hate solar, don't you ?
>>>>
>>>> I personally am a huge fan of solar for my offgrid fortress of solitude
>>>> during
>>>> 8-9 months of the year.
>>>>
>>> That is fine. If youtr usage is low and there is plenty of sun - My sister
>>> oin Cape Town relies on it to keep the house going during the planed
>>> powercuts that characterise an ANC destroyed power grid.
>>
>> That country is very messed up. I think they need more peace, love and
>> understanding, and spiritual dialogue between whites and negros. Only then
>> will peace reign supreme! ;)
>>
> What is happening is that the populist communist corrupt ANC are being called
> out by the rising affluent black middle class.
> And of course, the Indians who run EVERYTHING.

Interesting. Corrupt and leftist parties start to crack at the seams, once
the middle class gets too big and comfortable. Then, it doesn't work to
only spread hate, there needs to be content, and realistic plans, and that
is what ANC has to learn if they want to continue to strangle the country.

>>> Bit it doesnt work very well in wintertime, and the batteries are
>>> expsenive
>>
>> This is the truth! Impossible at a realistic cost in northern europe.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> For the rest of the time, I wonder if small 2-3 meter wind turbines might
>>>> be a
>>>> thing?
>>>>
>>> Absolutely not.  You might get a few hundred watts at best If you build it
>>> talle ebough
>>>
>>>> For heating I would use a wood stove or a pellets burner.
>>>>
>>> How not very green of you!
>>
>> I wipe my ass with green toilet paper! ;)
>>
> Well that's a start. I am wearing a green fleece

Ahh... reminds me of the old environmental tale of Jason and the green
fleece!

>>>> Last time I was trying to calculate the cost of battery storage for a
>>>> 100% solar
>>>> it came out at 600k USD or so, that is... madness.
>>>>
>>> Now multiply it by the whole of california...
>>
>> This is the woke dream of paradise. Until we make massive gains in energy
>> storage technology, it will remain a dream.
>
> And we simply do not know how to make those gains. The green fantasy is that
> like Tinkerbelle, if we believe in Green solutions, they will magically
> appear.
>
> 35 years later, we are still waiting...

It's only 10 years away!! Btw, a new fusion hype cycle has started. I've
seen on the news lately that it is only 10 years away!

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 11:54:34 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply
>>>> tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very
>>>> shitty ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
>>>
>>> 'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're
>>> really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
>>
>> Ahhh... good to know! If I ever travel to the southern US, I'll fit
>> right in with a nigra or two! ;)
>
> You'll be fine as long as you like sweet tea. The regional dialects are
> smoothing out as everyone 'learns to talk like the man on the 6 o'clock
> news'.

This could be problematic. I like Lapsang. =(

> Back in the '90s I found the older white speakers in North Georgia almost
> incomprehensible. I did better asking directions from blacks because they
> spoke the standard African-American dialect. In the '70s we set up a
> plant in central Georgia and I couldn't understand either.

The company should have offered language classes for everyones safety!
This sounds like swedish/danish cooperative ventures, where each group
insist that the other can understand them, since the language are so
close. This never works.

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 11:59:24 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> Isn't Harris indian?
>
> She's more Indian than she is black but identifying as black has more
> advantages.
>

That's one h*ll of a nigra!

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 12:00:56 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/11/25 9:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply
>>>>> tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very
>>>>> shitty ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
>>>>
>>>> 'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're
>>>> really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
>>>
>>> Kinda half and half ... term heard most often in Alabama and
>>> Mississippi.
>>
>> Ahh! I know a thing or two about Alabama. I've seen Forrest Gump! =)
>
> You're about 70 years too late for the real fun. My brother worked at
> Redstone in Huntsville AL in the '50s. Alabama was completely segregated,
> with the whites and blacks working out a more or less comfortable
> arrangement. The engineers, mostly white northerners, didn't have a clue
> how the social boundaries worked. I'm sure von Braun's crew had some
> interesting thoughts on American hypocrisy.
>

Did von Braun leave any personal notes behind when he died? Would be fun
to read his thoughts on the subject!

In sweden there is segregation in the profession of drug dealing. Mostly
arabians who are involved, and almost no swedes. They do their thing, and
we do our thing. ;)

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 12:00:56 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/11/25 9:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply
>>>>> tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very
>>>>> shitty ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
>>>>
>>>> 'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're
>>>> really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
>>>
>>> Kinda half and half ... term heard most often in Alabama and
>>> Mississippi.
>>
>> Ahh! I know a thing or two about Alabama. I've seen Forrest Gump! =)
>
> You're about 70 years too late for the real fun. My brother worked at
> Redstone in Huntsville AL in the '50s. Alabama was completely segregated,
> with the whites and blacks working out a more or less comfortable
> arrangement. The engineers, mostly white northerners, didn't have a clue
> how the social boundaries worked. I'm sure von Braun's crew had some
> interesting thoughts on American hypocrisy.
>

Come to think of it... swedes focus more on biker gangs. Very few arabians
in biker gangs. Very racist!

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 1/12/25 1:42 PM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, root wrote:
>>
>>> Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but then I'd have to find or make an enclosure that fits the board
>>>> SET.
>>>
>>> An enclosure is purely cosmetic. I attached my Pi5 to a piece of
>>> cardboard with zip-ties and hung it down the back of my desk.
>>>
>>
>> My other TV computer, a radxa zero, dangles off the hdmi cable, and I've
>> attached it to the back of the OLED tv with some tape. It's lived happily
>> there for a year or so at the moment.
>
> Try Velcro or double-sided tape ... works great for
> sticking a Pi to whatever :-)

Once my wife complains too loudly, this is _exactly_ what I will try! My
estimate is that the next time the tape let's go, and it sort of sticks
out from behind the tv, that is the time I will be going down the velcro
or double sided tape route. ;)

Fusion - ALWAYS "10 years away" :-)

Sorry, AIN'T gonna happen ANYtime soon, at least
not in any practical way.

Have you LOOKED at those fusion facilities -
gigantic warehouses PACKED with gigantic
lasers and such ? It's THAT difficult. NOT
anything coming to your neighborhood soon.

Sorry, no "Mr. Fusion".

We will have to make due with variations
on the Old Methods for at least 25-50
years. That's the Truth.

Exploit What We've Got to the max. And
yes that INCLUDES solar/wind.

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 1/12/25 6:38 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 12/01/2025 11:00, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/11/25 9:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply
>>>>>> tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very shitty
>>>>>> ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're
>>>>> really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
>>>>
>>>>  Kinda half and half ... term heard most often
>>>>  in Alabama and Mississippi.
>>>
>>> Ahh! I know a thing or two about Alabama. I've seen Forrest Gump! =)
>>
>> I think that most of my pre-visit experience of the USA was from Mark
>> Twain.
>>
>> One piece of dialogue really brought southern racism home...
>>
>> “Good gracious! Anybody hurt?”
>> “No’m. Killed a nigger.”
>> “Well, it’s lucky; because sometimes people do get hurt.”
>
>
> Um ... ain't 1830 or even 1955 anymore folks ...
>
> Why, imagine, you can see 'white' girls hangin' off
> 'black' studs in Birmingham now !
>
> Don't be too quick to believe 'movies'.
>

That's horrible! Don't they know that if they make love to a black man,
they can become black themselves! It's contagious!

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

>> The movie _Hidden Figures_ has an interesting take on this.
>
> Be careful of 'movie truths' .......
>
> The 'black'/'white' equation in the USA south
> was much more complicated, nuanced, than the
> various literary/media/film crusaders want to
> portray.
>
> And yes, I'm old enough to remember the tail end
> of "Jim Crow" - SEEN "Whites Only"/"Colored"
> drinking fountains and waiting rooms and such.
>
> But it was NEVER as simple as the Crusaders
> now sell us.

This is the truth! But where's the fun in a history that isn't black and white
(pun intended)! ;)

On 13/01/2025 09:02, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> The 'black'/'white' equation in the USA south
>   was much more complicated, nuanced, than the
>   various literary/media/film crusaders want to
>   portray.
>
>   And yes, I'm old enough to remember the tail end
>   of "Jim Crow" - SEEN "Whites Only"/"Colored"
>   drinking fountains and waiting rooms and such.
>
>   But it was NEVER as simple as the Crusaders
>   now sell us.

Same in S Africa. The government of the Afrikaners may have wanted
total segregation, but it simply didn't work in the towns.

If the Liberals/communists had left it alone, there might have been a
gradual political transition.
As it was nothing less than full political emancipation. positive
discrimination, and economic chaos.

--
"When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics."

Josef Stalin

On 13/01/2025 04:42, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> Sorry, SA is going down the proverbial toilet and
>   it's not JUST a 'black'/'white' issue per-se.

It never was. When I lived there in the apartheid days is was exactly to
'worker versus capitalists and rich landowners and merchants' type
scenario that led to the rise of labour style unions and so on in the
19th century in the UK.
It so happened that the yokels were black, but that wasn't their
defining feature. It was lack of education and opportunity, and changing
politics didn't fix that.

--
The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all
private property.

Karl Marx

On 13/01/2025 04:55, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 1/12/25 6:38 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 12/01/2025 11:00, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/11/25 9:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 00:41:53 +0100, D wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nigra? This group is a wonder of education! Something to study deeply
>>>>>> tonight, as soon as I get off my current, delayed and very, very
>>>>>> shitty
>>>>>> ryanair flight back to eastern europe.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Nigra' is sort of a southern thing in my experience. I think they're
>>>>> really saying Negro. Or maybe Nigger. It's hard to tell.
>>>>
>>>>  Kinda half and half ... term heard most often
>>>>  in Alabama and Mississippi.
>>>
>>> Ahh! I know a thing or two about Alabama. I've seen Forrest Gump! =)
>>
>> I think that most of my pre-visit experience of the USA was from Mark
>> Twain.
>>
>> One piece of dialogue really brought southern racism home...
>>
>> “Good gracious! Anybody hurt?”
>> “No’m. Killed a nigger.”
>> “Well, it’s lucky; because sometimes people do get hurt.”
>
>
>   Um ... ain't 1830 or even 1955 anymore folks ...
>
Well obviously, but that was never a British meme.

>   Why, imagine, you can see 'white' girls hangin' off
>   'black' studs in Birmingham now !
>
In our Birmingham its white girls being raped by pakistani gangs.

>   Don't be too quick to believe 'movies'.

Or the mass media

--
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

Adolf Hitler

On 13/01/2025 09:16, D wrote:
> Are there any memory cards that are more resistant to corruption during
> power outtage?

I think its more the reverse, its during power on the problems arise, as
they need fscking..

...Except mine doesn't. Since it is never written to. They key is to
eliminate all writes to the SD card apart from unavoidable config
changes. Stop logging or send it to a ram disk. If you need scratch
files put those on ramdisk too.

I've got a full record somewhere of everything I did to turn off logging
or redirect it to a ram log

If you can adjust your mindset to think of the SD card as EPROM, not a
disk, it helps

--
In todays liberal progressive conflict-free education system, everyone
gets full Marx.

On 13/01/2025 09:17, D wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 12/01/2025 18:33, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/01/2025 23:41, D wrote:
>>>>> Fun fact... when Ericsson built out cell phone
>>>>> networks in africa, they quickly discovered that every base station
>>>>> needed
>>>>> guards. If not, as soon as they were built, and the crew left, some
>>>>> local tribes
>>>>> dismantled it and sold it as junk.
>>>>
>>>> Musk got that one right with Starlink. Kinda hard to pillage a
>>>> satellite 60 miles overhead..
>>>
>>> You just wait! I am certain shortly they will construct state of the
>>> art crossbows and shoot them down. ;)
>> Did you see the Ukrainian drone with a shotgun? Shot down 2 drones and
>> terminated a Russian in a trench.
>
> Really?! Truly life imitates usenet art! ;) Do you have a link?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auU6i6zLxvc

--
WOKE is an acronym... Without Originality, Knowledge or Education.

On 13/01/2025 09:32, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> Sorry, no "Mr. Fusion".
>
> We will have to make due with variations
> on the Old Methods for at least 25-50
> years. That's the Truth.

Totally agree.

--
Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich
people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason
they are poor.

Peter Thompson

Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> wrote:
>> > Yes, but then I'd have to find or make an enclosure that fits the board
>> > SET.
At Sun, 12 Jan 2025 17:09:10 -0000 (UTC) root <NoEMail@home.org> wrote:
>> An enclosure is purely cosmetic. I attached my Pi5 to a piece of
>> cardboard with zip-ties and hung it down the back of my desk.

On 2025-01-12, Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> wrote:
> Mine is mounted on a VESA mount on the back of my TV (which is also my
> monitor).

I have this apparently obsolete idea that a CPU should have a heatsink
and a fan (even if it might never need to turn on), and naked PCB
assemblies scare the wife (and her cleaning lady). And the wiring closet
(the 10 inches under the bottom shelf in a hallway closet) where my
router, wiring panel and root switch live) is a dark and tangled place
where mice may occasionally crawl up from under the house.

On 13/01/2025 04:42, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> Sorry, SA is going down the proverbial toilet and
>>   it's not JUST a 'black'/'white' issue per-se.

On 2025-01-13, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> It never was. When I lived there in the apartheid days is was exactly to
> 'worker versus capitalists and rich landowners and merchants' type
> scenario that led to the rise of labour style unions and so on in the
> 19th century in the UK.
> It so happened that the yokels were black, but that wasn't their
> defining feature. It was lack of education and opportunity, and changing
> politics didn't fix that.

And that is true in the USA as well. The focus on skin color instead of
income/wealth/class problems has/is/will distract the country from
actually working on mitigating the social stresses.

On 2025-01-11 11:02, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> TJ wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> <snip>
>>
>> I'm a farmer, third generation of the family to own and operate this
>> farm. We still have my grandfather's Craftsman 1/2" drill. I did have to
>> replace the power cord once, and the chuck key, but it still works fine.
>> Gotta be close to 90 years old by now - I'm 75 and it's definitely much
>> older than me.
>>
>> But I don't use it much. Too big, heavy, and awkward for most tasks. Too
>> powerful, as well - that sucker will break your arm if it gets stuck, too.
>
> Reminds me of this:
>
> http://www.team.net/mjb/hawg.html
>
> Unix - The Hole Hawg
>
> THE HOLE HAWG OF OPERATING SYSTEMS
> by Neal Stephenson
>
> https://www.lowes.com/pd/Milwaukee-1-2-Hole-Hawg-Drill/1122297
>
I looked on the web for an image or a video showing my grandfather's
drill, but couldn't find one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZOxfCDXqvQ is as close as I could find.
It's the right style, but is newer, smaller, and lighter.

Sears had a habit of taking someone else's product and slapping the
Craftsman label on it, especially power tools and appliances, so it
could have been made by almost anybody.

TJ