On 1/10/25 10:23 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 21:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen
> <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> wrote:
>
>> Those days are over. No more aftermarket car radios, since
>> entertainment, navigation, climate control and other dashboard
>> functions became integrated.
>
> The real question then, is: Has the seame thing happened with Linux
> distributions?
>
> Is it good or bad?

There's not as MUCH 'diversity' as, say, 10 years ago.

Came across a chart somewhere showing which Linux distros
spawned others, and others, over maybe a 25 year span.
MOST didn't make it - lived maybe 5 years. I guess every
developer is sure they have the 'better idea', but ....

However there's still most of the olde-tyme core distros.
The RHEL branch, Debian, Arch, Slack. Those seem to be
holding up. FreeBSD and OpenBSD also and don't forget
GenToo.

TOO much 'diversity' splits efforts and opinions too
much IMHO. Not enough invites the fate of niche species.

Oh, you CAN get aftermarket car radios ... cheap
to outrightly ridiculous. Try Amazon.

On 1/10/25 4:09 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 10/01/2025 08:34, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> On 1/10/25 2:27 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>    Ok, there was too much to snip/edit there ...
>>
>>    However I *do* ascribe to the principle of
>>    'eggs & baskets'. We need to develop *everything*
>>    and keep it ALL 'in the mix' just because. That's
>>    the best survival strategy. Monolithic, single
>>    niche, has been the doom of most species on earth.
>>    Darwin CAN enlighten outside mere biology
>>    (within sane limits).
>>
>>    PVs, eventually and in conjunction with good
>>    energy-storage methods, are perfectly good and
>>    viable for many apps. You can do it Just Because
>>    you WANT to do it, even if a nuke grid IS
>>    to be had.
>
> There are no suitable storage methods. Or we would have used them years
> ago,
>
>
>>
>>    I live in a 'disaster zone'. I've got the utility
>>    wires, a generator AND some PV panels that can
>>    charge batteries and even make a little AC line
>>    voltage. This is LAYERS, alternatives. NO one
>>    thing is gonna always be reliable.
>>
> Fine. Now look ta the cost of all that versus cheap nuclear grid
> electricity.
> My sister in S Africa has been forced to do the same. Fortunately there
> is a lot of sun and its warm so they dont need to use their batteries to
> stay warm. And they cant cook, but that's what barbecues are for.
>
> This is only cost effective if the actual market for electricity is broken.
>
> And its mostly broken because of government interference and subsidising
> 'renewables'
>
>
>>    PVs CAN, eventually, eclipse traditional and
>>    nuke power sources/grids. They're not there yet,
>>    but - maybe - there's a longer future where they
>>    can reach full potential. It's a Good Idea.
>>
> No. They can't. Not without massively expensive storage that simply
> doesn't exist and no one knows how to build.
>
>
>>    Now the neat trick is to program a Linux Pi
>>    or something to smartly, promptly, intelligently,
>>    switch between all yer layers as-needed.
>
> Switching between an array of zeros will always still produce a zero
> Connecting permanently to a single reliable non zero is way cheaper.

Not YET.

As such PVs are still best suited for 'off-grid' apps.
Some large power companies though have installed HUGE
farms of PVs - they boost the grid during the day when
most power is being used. That means they don't need to
build new conventional power plants which are gawdawfully
expensive and over-regulated these days.

Used THAT way, they don't NEED "storage".

On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 00:48:20 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> However there's still most of the olde-tyme core distros.
> The RHEL branch, Debian, Arch, Slack. Those seem to be holding up.
> FreeBSD and OpenBSD also and don't forget GenToo.

And SUSE... I don't remember if any other distros did the same but I have
a box set which included the installation media and a set of printed
manuals. I can't remember if it was Best Buy. They were preceded by a
company that folded. Anyway you could buy the set like any other
software.

It was the last gasp of the traditional software purchase with printed
documentation prior to 'download the iso, burn it to a DVD, and good
luck.'

On Thu, 9 Jan 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2025-01-09, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 8 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> You forget that it is the people who do not want nuclear. It is proven
>>> dangerous.
>>
>> This is factually incorrect. If you cound the nr of dead, coal, hydro and
>> solar have all killed more people than nuclear.
>>
>> Remember the death count at Fukushima due to radiation... it is firmly at
>> 0.
>
> Ditto for Three Mile Island, which to this day I take as an example of
> how safe nuclear is. Total meltdown, but no casualties.
>
> Meanwhile, how many people have been hit by coal trains or died a
> slow lingering death from black lung?

One of the most fascinating statistics I've found when looking at solar is
that it has a significant amount of people who died, when the owner wanted
to adjust something on the roof, climbed up and fell down. This figure and
related deaths is very interesting.

On Thu, 9 Jan 2025, CrudeSausage wrote:

> On 2025-01-09 11:56, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 8 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 11:27:32 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> You're racist for even talking about it!  :-D
>>>>
>>>> "Coloured folks?"
>>>
>>> Who came up with BIPOC? Or NAACP for that matter? By the time I was a kid
>>> 'colored' was out and 'negro' was in. Now we're back to 'people of color'?
>>> That means they're colored, right?
>>>
>>
>> This is the truth! I remember when I was in school, the english teacher
>> liked negro, while the german teacher said that was racist and preferred
>> colored.
>>
>> I stuck with the negro. I've made my choice! ;)
>
> They want us to believe that simply saying "black" is racist now. I assume
> that's part of that white privilege I keep hearing about, having my language
> be double-checked for political correctness.

Haha, true. The white man is indeed powerful. We cannot have him running
around in the streets unchecked, can we? ;)

On Thu, 9 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 09/01/2025 16:16, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> First of all, The Natural Philosopher seems to be ignoring the costs (and
>> paranoia) of storing the spent nukes safely.
>>
> There are no high costs. Only political campaigning...
>
>> Second, it seems to me that the "renewables" would still be useful to "fill
>> in
>> the gaps" in service. But here I'll stop.
> With nuclear, there are no 'gaps that need filling'. Or if there are,
> intermittent renewables cannot be relied upon to fill them

Let me add here that all nuclear waste is not created the same. The vast
majority of nuclear waste can be safely disposed of within a few 100
years. I think it's perhaps 1% or at most 5% that must be stored safely
for thousands of years.

When this is discussed, you never hear about this distinction.

Also note that modern reactors currently in research stage, can be fueled
by old nuclear waste which is very economical and very environmentally
friendly.

Ergo... we have all science and technology to solve the entire energy
problem of the human race. The only thing preventing us is politicians and
emotional arguments.

On Thu, 9 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 09/01/2025 16:18, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> 186282@ud0s4.net wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> As I've said many times before - we need to use EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT
>>> now
>>> (except coal if we can possibly help it).
>>>
>>> TRICK is to thwart the zealots - use energy sources where MOST
>>> APPROPRIATE. If solar fits the bill for certain projects, then use
>>> solar.
>>> If in a windy place then windmills might do it. If oil-burning
>>> powerplants
>>> are the best fit, use them. If nuke plants are to be had, use them for
>>> big
>>> Grid stuff.
>>>
>>> It's zealotry and fanaticism that's causing most of the problems these
>>> days. Every faction sees THEIR fix as the One And Only and will fight
>>> everybody else. Logic, evidence, economics, all go Bye Bye.
>>>
>>> And even coal, the techniques/chemistry to convert it into methanol
>>> and
>>> ethanol are now pretty good. The nasty sulfur and heavy metals are
>>> left
>>> behind. Some can be re-sold for various industrial applications.
>>
>> I agree with this post!
>>
>> Put your energy eggs in many baskets.
>>
> Bollocks. Lets have diversity in car wheels,. Sqauare one, eggs shaped ones.
> Why have them all round?
> We had a more reliable grid when it was 90$% coal.
> France gets by at 75% nuclear.
> In mots cases 'diversity' just makes things worse, a single standard design
> that works well is far far cheaper.

This is the truth! There is a very proven and well known concept called
economy of scale. It makes modern life possible.

What we need to take care of when it comes to nuclear, is the supply
chain. We would not want to build an energy system that is based on a
supply chain that is under russian or chinese control. This is not so
good.

On Thu, 9 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 09/01/2025 16:48, D wrote:
>>> Whilst I am no panic stricken Liberal, I also wonder how the Donald will
>>> cope with more power than he has ever had in his life, either
>>>
>>> Buy popcorn futures....
>>
>> This is the truth! I am very much popping popcorn as we speak, and enjoying
>> Trumps hyperbole massively. It is also very enjoyable to watch naive,
>> socialist politician take every sentence of Trumps literally.
>
> The Liberal socialist simply lie to the electorate all the time and expect to
> be believed. They cannot understand that the Donald also lies all the time
> to, but he's pranking them half the time and doesn't expect to be believed.

This is the truth! He is pranking, but he is also shifting their
expectations to give him an edge in future negotiations. This is just
basic business tactics, that are used every day in business, but are
unheard of by the inept politicians of our time, who have never had a job
in the private sector all their lives.

I do the same thing when I negotiate with my customers.

On 1/10/25 5:20 PM, in a futile face-saving attempt chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Prediction: a very brave "(snipped, unread)" is immanent!
>>>>
>>> (snip stuff from the same guy who defended censorship because it
>>> was by "private companies" who were being told to do it by the
>>> Biden administration)
>>
>> Golly, I didn't expect a "Whataboutism" attempt!
>
> I sure didn't expect you to man-up and admit that you were wrong on
> the censorship issue.

False, for I made no such comment on this old topic that you've dredged
up. All I did was to note that you're trying to change the subject.

Now the prior subject was on your paranoid rant about government
restricting freedoms, for which my comments are summarized as follows:

* I corrected you on a technology which you claimed was 'proof'; your
reply to which was that maybe it had changed since I worked on it;

* Corrected you on EE power infrastructure cost principles, debunking
your claim that it was associated only with being 'green' (its not);

* Corrected your squeamishness on animal proteins. BTW, here's that
'wiggling food' video I mentioned ... enjoy being culturally repulsed:
<https://photo-hh.com/2023/it_moves.mov>

* Corrected your deflection attempt that was trying to hide a hypocrite.

Noted that you've deflected by censoring (now twice & counting) on:

* I corrected your surrender attempt on mining costs/externalities;

* Corrected your false helplessness claim on geopolitical economics;

* Corrected your claim of concern: its a dildo of consequences of the
very personal freedoms you claim to want: its YA hypocrisy example of
chrisv where he attempts to "have your cake & eat it too".

>>> Some of us value freedom more than others, obviously.
>>
>> Where said "some of us" excluded chrisv, as he censored his reply.
>
> That's a lie. I censored nothing. Your full post is available for
> anyone to read.

Nope, you've attempted to do so by snipping portions in your reply.

> Your response will be deleted, unread.

Ah, so there's the very brave "(snipped, unread)" as was predicted!

And FYI: its another instance of an attempt by you to be a censor.

-hh

-hh wrote:

> (snipped, unread)

Poor -highhorse. If he's not attacking reasonable behavior, he's
defending unreasonable behavior.

I would love to see him "man up" on the censorship issue. He could
admit that leftists in the government disallowed freedom of speech.
Government directives resulted in the censorship of those on the
right. On multiple issues that went against the Biden
administration's narrative.

This is relevant to what was being discussed, too. It shows that the
asshole is ok with our most precious rights being taken away.

He will need to change the subject header to indicate his intentions
to "man up", of course, if I'm to see it.

On 2025-01-11 08:21, chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> (snipped, unread)
>
> Poor -highhorse. If he's not attacking reasonable behavior, he's
> defending unreasonable behavior.
>
> I would love to see him "man up" on the censorship issue. He could
> admit that leftists in the government disallowed freedom of speech.
> Government directives resulted in the censorship of those on the
> right. On multiple issues that went against the Biden
> administration's narrative.
>
> This is relevant to what was being discussed, too. It shows that the
> asshole is ok with our most precious rights being taken away.
>
> He will need to change the subject header to indicate his intentions
> to "man up", of course, if I'm to see it.

Huntzinger would probably support child marriage and genital mutilation
of those children if it became a "progressive" thing to do. In fact,
it's probably just a matter of time.

--
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

On Thu, 9 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 09/01/2025 16:51, D wrote:
>> Apart from samba, I have used the rsync + hardlinks method for backup with
>> much success between countries, for decades.
> Yes. Its fine if the directory structure you are using to archive is in fact
> compatible with the source directory trees permissions and ownerships.
>
> Samba is not.

It also depends on if you need to save the permissions and ownerships or
not. Sometimes, like in my case, it is enough to save the data. I can
always fix permissions and owners later if I need it.

I have been pleasantly surprised by restic so far. It seems to be well
written and to function as expected so far, and performance is quite good
as well.

It look as if I will switch from my classic rsync + hardlinks method to
restic. But we'll know for sure in a few months.

On Thu, 9 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 09/01/2025 16:56, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 8 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 11:27:32 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> You're racist for even talking about it!  :-D
>>>>
>>>> "Coloured folks?"
>>>
>>> Who came up with BIPOC? Or NAACP for that matter? By the time I was a kid
>>> 'colored' was out and 'negro' was in. Now we're back to 'people of color'?
>>> That means they're colored, right?
>>>
>>
>> This is the truth! I remember when I was in school, the english teacher
>> liked negro, while the german teacher said that was racist and preferred
>> colored.
>>
>> I stuck with the negro. I've made my choice! ;)
> Ive always felt colored to be more offensive than nigger, and negro probably
> the least offensiive term, but its all stupid. Ive heard nigger both used as
> a term of endearment and as a term to describe a stupid black person as well
> - by blacks.
> In this country as in Africa, if you want to refer to anything, you probably
> use a far more detailed description. Like afro carribean, or Pakistani, or
> Indian, or Chinese, or arab, or Welsh or Scottish, or Irish...or
> Iranian...Because no way does one word cover everything that isn't 'just like
> you'

There is also the mysterious "nigga" I've not yet come to terms with it.

On 10/01/2025 21:17, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> Or the way car radios were standardized, so you could buy a new,
> high-end AM/FM/CD radio to spice up your 10-year old car.
>
> Those days are over. No more aftermarket car radios, since
> entertainment, navigation, climate control and other dashboard
> functions became integrated.

I.e Diversity as in making incompatible shit is what Microsoft Apple and
big vendors try and do. Betamax versus VHS

The people like standardised shit.

Not a hundred different 'diverse' screw threads depending...

....yesterday I took delivery of a panel mount HDMI to micro HDMI
connector for a Pi 4B.
It came without mounting screws.

No screw in my extensive collection fitted. It may have been #4 UNC.

I tried to re-tap it to M3. The metal inserts simply rotated in the
flexible plastic housing

I ended up pushing them out with pliers and pushing in M3 bushes.

Diversity is there to address single points of failure, not to increase
the chances of failure.

Mostly you don't want it. Only when there are extreme crises do people
who are 'different' or technology that is 'different' survive by sheer
happenstance. And become the 'new standard'.

Linux succeeds because it is a vendor independent *standard*. Not
because it has a thousand pointless diverse 'distros' that barely differ
one from anther.

Diversity means 100 nuclear power stations so if one goes down 99 are
still running.

Diversity means 100 nuclear power stations built to identical
specifications with open source parts specifications so that anyone can
in principle manufacture the same spares parts, thus providing a diverse
supply channels.

It doesn't mean having a completely unique and non interchangeable and
mutually incompatible collection of 'things that occasionally produce
electricity' all built to different standards.

An example of stupid diversity from the early days of the internet. A
pointy head decided that the ISP need 'diverse' routing from London,
which was then the gateway too Europe, and Manchester, which is where a
lot of transatlantic cables came ashore.

So the bought two channels from different vendors.

One day both failed simultaneously. Routing to the USA was going via
Scandinavia, which had very limited US capacity.

How come 'diversity' had failed?
Simples. There was one very high capacity multi-fibre link between
London and Manchester used by every vendor of bandwidth.
And a digger had sliced through it....

Diversity is an engineering concept taken up, misunderstood., used out
of a valid context, and abused by people who want to sell you shit that
doesn't work.

--
I would rather have questions that cannot be answered...
....than to have answers that cannot be questioned

Richard Feynman

On Thu, 9 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 09/01/2025 17:55, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 8 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/01/2025 18:34, Pancho wrote:
>>>>> It has to be the right religion though
>>>>> A religion that simply takes all yiur wealth and prromises yuoi only
>>>>> hell if you get upset is not a keeper.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How do you explain Jihadist Islam
>>>>
>>> Its similar in most respects to German jihadism,. Mein Kampf=jihad=my
>>> struggle.
>>> The operational parameters of the metaphysics are identical.
>>> - a master race, struggling against a world full of oppressive other
>>> races, especially jews - who it is perfectly moral to lie to, kill,
>>> defraud, commit genocide, rape torture and and maim, because they *are not
>>> really human*.
>>>
>>> And apart from these things obliterating the subconscious shame you feel
>>> at being 600 years behind the times, stupid as fuck and inbred to boot, it
>>> gives you a feeling of power and purpose and a promise of [s]lots of
>>> virgins in the after life, after you have run out of the ones on the local
>>> council estate.
>>
>> Excellent analysis of islam. This sounds like the beginning of a book
>> perhaps?
>> =)
>>
> I had an Islamic GF once, And a Jewish one. I know whereof I speak.

Ahh... so you're quite a player too! ;) I imagine that threesome could be
quite explosive if it ever happened!

> Shame drives the middle east to misplaced pride and hatred.

Sounds very reasonable.

On 10/01/2025 22:15, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 07:27:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> The natural tendency in a free market is that the best technology rises
>> to the top, becomes ubiquitous, and everybody uses it. Diversity in
>> technology is not desirable,. Diversity in its application is, somewhat.
>
> Like natural selection I would say an adequate technology rises to the
> top, not always the best.

Well it depends on what 'best' applies to.

Take VHS - technically inferior to Betamax but best marketed.

--
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph Goebbels

On Thu, 9 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 09/01/2025 18:01, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 9 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 17:53:21 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> Someone was circulating the theory that Trump's (and Musk's) desire to
>>>> annex both Canada and Greenland is the result of wanting access to the
>>>> minerals there, which are crucial to the development of electric
>>>> vehicles. I would imagine that there are lots of strategic military
>>>> reasons too. Maybe the man isn't joking...
>>>
>>> https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/china-arctic-russia/
>>>
>>> Shipping, gas, oil, minerals, fisheries...  Historically, Denmark hasn't
>>> done well protecting its interests since the Danish-Hanseatic War and
>>> certainly can't defend Greenland nor is an independent Greenland feasible.
>>>
>>> Canada is a far reach but with Trudeau the Lesser quitting, who knows. The
>>> SAM provinces might be weighing which is worse, DC or Ottawa.
>>>
>>
>> I don't understand why the US doesn't just bribe their way to greenland?
>> Promise every inhabintant 1 MUSD in subsidies or some kind of government
>> money, and then have a "vote".
>>
>> Since the EU is bound by democratic values, and, since greenland legally is
>> allowed to vote for independence, they would be forced to accept a yes to
>> greenlandish independence.
>>
>> Once independent, it is then up to them to discuss joining the US.
>>
> Greenalnd is not formally part of the EU any more. It is associated, only.
>
>> Argument over, and the EU would not be able to criticize a democratic vote
>> by the people.
>
> Wanna bet? Criticising peoples votes is a global fashion these days.

This is the truth! But I still think the EU would have a hard time to
criticize the election.

But we shall see!

But I saw on the news that there's some esquimaux politician currently
milking the situation for all that it's worth. If they are shrewd, they
will now move to some kind of auction, trying to extract the maximum bid
possible.

To make it even more fun, they could invite china to the auction as well!
=D

On Thu, 9 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 09/01/2025 18:02, D wrote:
>> How much more beautiful on a scale from 1 to 10 would you say the women in
>> Quebec are, than the women in the US? What made them so beautiful?
>
> They are French. French women like sex, and like to be sexy.

Just like god intended!

On Thu, 9 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 09/01/2025 18:52, rbowman wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Jan 2025 06:56:46 -0600, chrisv wrote:
>>
>>> Greenland would be a great place to put all the wannabe migrants. Let
>>> them prove their worth there, for a few years, before letting them into
>>> the mainland.
>>
>> Norway tried that. "We're going to lodge you at a luxury resort -- north
>> of the Arctic Circle" .
>>
>> https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-sweden-
>> idUSKBN0U207Y20151219/
>>
>> It's a paywall but you can see enough to get the idea.
> Not paywalled for me...

You can just att arhive.is/... in front of it and most likely the paywall
should be unlocked.

On 11/01/2025 03:23, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 21:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen
> <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> wrote:
>
>> Those days are over. No more aftermarket car radios, since
>> entertainment, navigation, climate control and other dashboard
>> functions became integrated.
>
> The real question then, is: Has the seame thing happened with Linux
> distributions?
>
Not really. Packages pretty much work on all linux distros and the
difference is usually in the UI.
Its a standard engine and chassis (frame), but you can get it with
fluffy dice and chrome plated wheels and tailfins, if you want

> Is it good or bad?
>
>
To what objective standards of excellence?

When talking about electricity generation we know what is good (for
consumers anyway), and that is reliable 24x7 electricity delivered to
your consumer unit at the lowest possible cost to you and the lowest
effect on the environment.

If you go down that rabbit hole with a slide rule the answer comes up as
multiple instances of a solid reliable standardised nuclear reactors.

And no fucking wind or solar WHATSOEVER.

--
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph Goebbels

On 11/01/2025 06:15, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> Switching between an array of zeros will always still produce a zero
>> Connecting permanently to a single reliable non zero is way cheaper.
>
>   Not YET.
>
>   As such PVs are still best suited for 'off-grid' apps.
No. A bug 500HW Diesl generatirs is better

>   Some large power companies though have installed HUGE
>   farms of PVs - they boost the grid during the day when
>   most power is being used.

Most power is not used during the day. Its used just after dark

That means they don't need to
>   build new conventional power plants which are gawdawfully
>   expensive and over-regulated these days.
>
>   Used THAT way, they don't NEED "storage".

They do.

--
“I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the
greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives.”

― Leo Tolstoy

rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 04:09:09 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> The bullshit "world flood" then happened as ice-dams and such failed
>> and sent Huge quantities of water down river tracts in the northern
>> hemisphere. I can see why so many people imagined the entire world
>> was flooded.
>
> https://www.glaciallakemissoula.org/the-big-picture.html
>
> If there were humans hanging around eastern Washington that survived they
> had some pretty good stories. I think Some of the tribes in the area do
> have floods in their lore.
>
> Before I even knew the story I remember driving through the Washington
> scablands and thinking something interesting happened there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channeled_Scablands

Sorry for adding to the off-topic climate change flood here :-D

--
The computer should be doing the hard work. That's what it's paid to do,
after all.
-- Larry Wall in <199709012312.QAA08121@wall.org>

On Fri, 10 Jan 2025, CrudeSausage wrote:

> On 2025-01-10 07:55, chrisv wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>
>>> (snip stuff from the same guy who defended censorship because it was by
>>> "private companies" who were being told to do it by the Biden
>>> administration)
>>
>> Some of us value freedom more than others, obviously.
>
> I had a reminder of that yesterday actually. I have a chunk of movies ripped
> from DVDs and Blu-Rays on a portable SSD, and others are purchased from the
> Microsoft Store. If I show a movie to a class from the former and a few
> students were absent, I can upload the movie to Teams and they can catch up
> at their leisure. With the latter, they're completely fucked. I am actually
> mad that I allowed myself to believe that it made sense to buy DRM-enabled
> movies.

Well, we learn as we live. Movies for me are torrents and what I can
download with yt-dlp from youtube and various TV-streaming sites. yt-dlp
is an amazing piece of technology!

On 11/01/2025 11:42, D wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 9 Jan 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2025-01-09, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 8 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> You forget that it is the people who do not want nuclear. It is proven
>>>> dangerous.
>>>
>>> This is factually incorrect. If you cound the nr of dead, coal, hydro
>>> and
>>> solar have all killed more people than nuclear.
>>>
>>> Remember the death count at Fukushima due to radiation... it is
>>> firmly at
>>> 0.
>>
>> Ditto for Three Mile Island, which to this day I take as an example of
>> how safe nuclear is.  Total meltdown, but no casualties.
>>
>> Meanwhile, how many people have been hit by coal trains or died a
>> slow lingering death from black lung?
>
> One of the most fascinating statistics I've found when looking at solar
> is that it has a significant amount of people who died, when the owner
> wanted to adjust something on the roof, climbed up and fell down. This
> figure and related deaths is very interesting.

One incident too small to even be findable on the Internet that I saw
in a local paper years ago was when a wind turbine blade was being
unloaded, and it slipped and fell on a dock worker, killing him.

There are more such incidents recorded though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YvQr7nlBzs

https://www.tiktok.com/@decodedbyprince/video/7207492265650965786?lang=en

The more memorable incident of a German parachutist being killed when
she drifted into a wind farm, is out there though..

"A 23-year-old woman from Schwerin died while making her first parachute
jump when she hit a wind turbine at the Lemkenfeld wind station on the
German island of Fehmarn in the early afternoon of Sunday, May 28. Her
name has not been released by the Oldenburg police. The wind is believed
to have blown her off course towards the wind station, while her
instructor and another member of the Lübeck parachuting club got down
safely, according to the regional Kieler Nachrichten newspaper. Other
press reports state that strong winds were blowing on May 28 and the
victim was blown several kilometres off course. The Oldenburg police
have passed the case to the public prosecution office at Lübeck. "

And yet Fukushima, where no one died at all, is recorded as a 'disaster'

The fact is that wind turbines kill people, As do solar installations.

What would you rather attend - a wind turbine in the middle of a storm
tossed North Sea hundreds of feet up with only one way down, or a solar
farm generating thousands of volts ...

Or a nice cold reactor in a safe machine hall with overhead cranes
already installed. Subject to such stringent safety regulations that
almost no one has died during routine maintenance, ever.

Remember 'creates green jobs' means it needs an army of expensive people
juts to build, install and keep it working, which means its expensive
and unreliable...

--
“I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the
greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives.”

― Leo Tolstoy

On 11/01/2025 11:47, D wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 9 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 09/01/2025 16:16, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> First of all, The Natural Philosopher seems to be ignoring the costs
>>> (and
>>> paranoia) of storing the spent nukes safely.
>>>
>> There are no high costs. Only political campaigning...
>>
>>> Second, it seems to me that the "renewables" would still be useful to
>>> "fill in
>>> the gaps" in service. But here I'll stop.
>> With nuclear, there are no 'gaps that need filling'. Or if there are,
>> intermittent renewables cannot be relied upon to fill them
>
> Let me add here that all nuclear waste is not created the same. The vast
> majority of nuclear waste can be safely disposed of within a few 100
> years. I think it's perhaps 1% or at most 5% that must be stored safely
> for thousands of years.
>
> When this is discussed, you never hear about this distinction.
>
> Also note that modern reactors currently in research stage, can be
> fueled by old nuclear waste which is very economical and very
> environmentally friendly.
>
> Ergo... we have all science and technology to solve the entire energy
> problem of the human race. The only thing preventing us is politicians
> and emotional arguments.

+1

--
“Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of
a car with the cramped public exposure of 
an airplane.”

Dennis Miller