On 1/4/25 4:24 AM, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 1/3/25 7:27 AM, -hh wrote:
>> On 1/3/25 6:52 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 03/01/2025 11:45, D wrote:
>>>> No I think it is just because someone pulled in
>>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy. Seems a lot of trolls reside there. I looked
>>>> into it, found it way to annoying, and stopped. But I got a reminder
>>>> of why I stopped reading that group.
>>>
>>> Yup. Ain't that the truth.
>>
>> Yup, its a product of crossposting.  Things change and USENET just
>> doesn't have the audience it did 30 years ago to have groups have
>> sufficient critical mass to sustain (on- or off-topic) dialogs/
>
>   USENET isn't what it was ... has kinda fallen off
>   the proverbial radar. IMHO this is kinda GOOD.

As much as the 'Eternal September' days of disruption were a nuisance,
the downside today is a manifestation of aging and decline: there's
probably zero current participants in these newsgroups who are under age
40 ... and the average age is probably closer to 65.

>   Shit ... when I first got into Usenet the AI guru
>   Minsky used to post to the AI groups - things were
>   respectable then.

I can recall chatting with John Godwin about the Internet Law named
after him (“As an online discussion continues, the probability of a
comparison to Hitler or to Nazis approaches one").

>>> Linux is good all by itself. Doesn't need advocacy.
>>
>> Its a tool like anything else, so use the right tool for the job.
>
>   Well ... 'tool', yes ... but ALSO a 'philosophy',
>   a way of looking at things. Lin is NOT Win.

Sure. This is just a simplifying conversational expediency, not a PhD
thesis.

>> Advocates in COLA have historically fight against the wisdom of
>> understanding that everything has its own strengths & weaknesses,
>> swimming against uses where other solutions are better.
>
>   Well, Win is MOSTLY 'weaknesses' ....
>
>> For example, take a new digital camera: wouldn't it be nice to not
>> have to wait a year to read its new RAW file format?  Most folk just
>> want pics, so they choose a platform where its supported on launch,
>> not to have to sit down to DIY write & test a 3rd party driver first.
>
>   Linux, and esp BSD Unix, are always a bit behind
>   the driver curve. However I've never found that to
>   be a major inconvenience. Much stuff just doesn't
>   change that quickly anymore.

Which circles back to "right tool for the job" for when one is buying
new stuff for whatever purposes; the example I used here was digital
camera gear (& a 2025 New Years resolution is to start to meddle with
higher video formats on my still-new-to-me 2022 Canon R6 Mk2).

>> Meantime, my New Year's Resolution is to tweak my Linux NAS; seems
>> that it needs a better RAM cache to not bottleneck on network, and
>> those parts are due to arrive this weekend. I'll have to look around
>> to see if I have some spare NVMEs to change up its disk cache while
>> I'm at it too.   If that doesn't resolve things, then its probably
>> time to look to some network gear to move some nodes from 1GbE to 10GbE.
>
>   Done lots of NAS over the years. Used packages
>   and kinda wrote my own too.
>
>   Yes, 'tweaks' can help - a LITTLE.
>
>   However, if you really try to benchmark it, the
>   tweaks don't REALLY add much but complication
>   and ops for failure.
>
>   So, from my long experience, stick close to
>   'vanilla' and you'll do OK and not SUFFER.

Precisely, because its intended to be a tool, not a toy. I did get the
RAM installed yesterday & its rebooted and recognized fine; will want to
run a couple of throughput performance tests.

Didn't have time to look for spare NVMes to swap out ... but that was
more a case that the current ones are gratuitous overkill (2 x 2TB) so
it would be nice to repurpose them - I've been looking at using them to
make a "zero cost" duplicate instance of my entire photo library to give
a test run on "DigiKam", a FOSS photo management tool which came
recommended.

>   Oft unrealized gem these days - OpenMediaVault.
>   It's become a very complete NAS system yet is
>   still kinda 'light' code-wise. DO note that
>   you can't just write randomly to its files
>   because the system won't index it - will not
>   think your direct writes exist. Gotta set up
>   like SMB shares in scripts or whatever that
>   ref it's 'approved' shares. THEN it'll work.

I still have a couple of old towers sitting around if I want to get
frustrated with a random homebrew project! <g> Which in semi-serious
form would be a decent use of the pile of small (<8TB) HDDs I've
accumulated, but it would probably add +$10/month on my electric bill.

-hh

On 1/3/25 6:23 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 16:09:35 -0500, -hh wrote:
>
>> "So then why is it that a primary premise of Open Source - - security
>> through many eyes - - so utterly failed here?"
>
> For the usual reason: the companies repurposing the Open Source software
> didn’t keep it up to date.

Sure, that probably was the failure mode mechanism from this old thread.

> The essence of Open Source is that the developers who create the code have
> no control over how it is reused and redistributed -- just so long as the
> licences are observed, they have no other leverage, no control over QA,
> nothing.

Yup, showing that despite the fanboy beliefs, FOSS is not a magic wand,
but merely just YA tool for capitalism to seek to increase profits with.

-hh

On 1/3/25 6:25 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 07:42:48 -0500, -hh wrote:
>
>> A lot of the sophistication (& differentiation) in PS was through its
>> use of Layers, particularly for making selective exposure adjustments.
>
> All very well if you have a dozen or two dozen images to deal with, but
> what if you have a thousand?

Are you claiming that no automation tools exist for Adobe Photoshop
workflows, such as for batch automation?

> This is where command-line/scriptable tools like ImageMagick/
> GraphicsMagick come into their own. Also the Python scriptability of GIMP,
> Inkscape etc can be helpful.

Good. There's also Javascript, Applescript, plus GUI-based "remember
what I'm doing" tools on platforms too.

-hh

On 04/01/2025 10:31, Diego Garcia wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 07:27:46 -0500, -hh wrote:
>
>>
>>> Linux is good all by itself. Doesn't need advocacy.
>>
>> Its a tool like anything else, so use the right tool for the job.
>>
>
> Your limited mind certainly would come to that simplistic conclusion.
>
> A computer is *not* a tool -- it is a meta-tool. IOW, it is a tool
> that is used to create other tools. A computer is akin to a grand
> piano. By itself it does nothing; it requires a consummate virtuoso
> to bring forth its potential.
>
> (Note: YOU are not a consummate virtuoso. YOU are a subservient
> user of simple tools.)
>
> GNU/Linux allows the computing virtuoso to shine. GNU/Linux
> embodies the most efficient design and structure for the most
> effective computing.
>
> Microslop/Apphole does not. Microslop/Apphole are made only to feebly
> empower idiots and retards -- like YOU.
>
>
>>
>> For example, take a new digital camera: wouldn't it be nice to not have
>> to wait a year to read its new RAW file format? Most folk just want
>> pics, so they choose a platform where its supported on launch, not to
>> have to sit down to DIY write & test a 3rd party driver first.
>>
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! Another whopper from the mind
> of a simpleton!
>
> Remember film cameras? Did the user of a Brand X film camera have
> to buy Brand X film and then send his exposed rolls off to Brand X
> for development? No. Film from any camera could be taken to any
> corner drug store for processing. All cameras used the same film
> that used the same processing.
>
> It should be the same with digital cameras, but the grubbing camera
> makers have found a way to capture their users (and milk their money)
> by creating unique RAW formats for each brand.
>
> There is nothing exceptional about the RAW format. Nikon, for example,
> uses the standard TIFF image format with the addition of a few extra
> proprietary tags. That's all. But those extra tags make the format
> essentially closed and that's all Nikon, and the other makers, want.
>
> The specs for these RAW formats could easily be published to allow
> the public, and FOSS, to write their own software.
>
> I want to use GNU/Linux to process my images and not junk Microslop/
> Apphole.
>
> The camera manufacturers are to blame and they should be assailed
> with lawsuits, boycotts, and whatever else it would require to
> cease their egregious exploitation.
>
> But instead they have craven apologists like you that defend
> their despicable actions.
>
>
>>
>> Meantime, my New Year's Resolution is to tweak my Linux NAS
>>
>
> Linux should include code that would halt all execution
> on the hardware of infidels.
>
>
What a load of totally opinionated irrelevant crap.
This computer is a tool. I create words. I create engineering drawings.
I create web sites.

This is a tool that allows me to do this.

In the UK we have another meaning of 'tool'.
It fits you exactly

--
Of what good are dead warriors? … Warriors are those who desire battle
more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump
their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the
battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is
that they are dead.
Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.

On 04/01/2025 11:15, D wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 04/01/2025 00:43, D wrote:
>>> Negro has also become a symbol word.
>>
>> You have to be really uneducated and thick not to know it simply means
>> 'black'.
>
> Are you saying that the woke establishment, and 99% of non-english
> speakers in europe are uneducated?? ;)

Probably.

>
> I always try to explain the difference between nigger and negro, but
> apparently that difference is beyond most, if not all people today. =/
Nigger is to negro as Santa Claus is to Saint Nicholas. and goodbye is
to God be with you

--
Of what good are dead warriors? … Warriors are those who desire battle
more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump
their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the
battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is
that they are dead.
Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 12:21:32 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>>
> What a load of totally opinionated irrelevant crap.
> This computer is a tool. I create words. I create engineering drawings.
> I create web sites.
>
> This is a tool that allows me to do this.
>
> In the UK we have another meaning of 'tool'.
> It fits you exactly
>

In the real world we have a term that describes the subservient
technical class to which you belong:

Flunky

Now go and do as you're told. Don't concern yourself with
the ways of the Masters.

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

-hh wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> -highhorse wrote:
>>>
>>> Its a tool like anything else, so use the right tool for the job.
>>>
>>> Advocates in COLA have historically fight against the wisdom of
>>> understanding that everything has its own strengths & weaknesses,
>>> swimming against uses where other solutions are better.
>>
>> Of course, -highhorse is lying. He's a trolling asshole who gets-off
>> on attacking decent, reasonable people. His solutions are better, by
>> gum, and he'll ridicule anyone who thinks otherwise.
>>
>> According to the -highhorse troll, "Linux is what sloppy cheapskates
>> who cut corners prefer to use, rather than a quality product."
>
> (snipped, unread)

Let me guess: Quotes from cola advocates proving that, yes, they do
consider value when making a choice! How terrible!

That must mean that they would rather use Windows or Mac! Not.

-highhorse doesn't understand the importance of software freedom, so
he takes it out on his moral and intellectual superiors. He thinks
it's about being a "cheapskate" or a "freeloader". -highhorse claims
that "the open source nature of Linux tends to attractthe type of
persona who somehow believes that all avenues are one-way streets set
up to benefit him (and only him) as the true & deserving holy center
of the universe."

-highhorse is a stupid person and an asshole.

--
"Way to miss the point, which was that the FOSS model is at risk of a
catastrophic failure because the 'center cannot hold' when the status
quo is that there's far too many freeloaders who never pay" - lying
asshole "-hh"

On 2025-01-04 01:08, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:43:35 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> As a counter to that, I've started to drop a few "negros" in
>> conversations here and there out in town, and I also started to wear my
>> MAGA hat on the streets of Stockholm.
>
> When I was growing up niggers preferred to be called Negroes. It's hard to
> keep track. Of course when I was growing up we also had polocks, wops,
> kikes, and and other designations.

The funny part about Poles is that if you call any one of them a polock,
they probably won't react. The term for a Pole in Poland is Polak. Being
a Polak is a lot less insulting than being called a pole. As for kike,
the term only makes sense considering how they would sign their
documents on their arrival. They refused to draw an X since it was
similar to Christ's crucifix so they would draw a circle called a kikel
instead.

> My mother was politically correct
> before her time and would accuse my father of sounding like Hitler.
>
> The punchline is she thought any male Negro over the age of five was going
> to rape her. My father had no problems with niggers. They were just people
> until proven differently. I learned about hypocrisy and pretty words
> early.
>
> I don't have a MAGA hat. In the summer I have a NRA hat that I wear
> hiking; that's almost as good.

That is my position on blacks as well: treat them as normal until they
demonstrate that they aren't. Unfortunately, it doesn't take long for
them to demonstrate that they shouldn't be a part of Western Civilization.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member

On 2025-01-04 01:27, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:49:55 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> I think there's a sabb with an even wider one, but cannot find it. I saw
>> it in a garage many decades ago.
>
> Oh, the 900. I've seen a few of those. Saabs always were a minority brand
> in the US. I liked the old ones, but there were some really strange beasts
> like the Sonnet II. I don't know why there was a Volvo on every block
> while Saabs were driven by middle-aged lesbians.

Volvo used to be synonymous with safety and they were built to last
forever. It was their reputation and it was very much the reality. Once
Ford bought the company though, everything went downhill. Now the
Chinese own them and I can't help but notice that they're at the bottom
in the reliability index.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member

On 2025-01-04 02:27, RonB wrote:
> On 2025-01-04, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2025-01-03 18:11, chrisv wrote:
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> -highhorse wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its a tool like anything else, so use the right tool for the job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Advocates in COLA have historically fight against the wisdom of
>>>>>> understanding that everything has its own strengths & weaknesses,
>>>>>> swimming against uses where other solutions are better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, -highhorse is lying. He's a trolling asshole who gets-off
>>>>> on attacking decent, reasonable people. His solutions are better, by
>>>>> gum, and he'll ridicule anyone who thinks otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>> According to the -highhorse troll, "Linux is what sloppy cheapskates
>>>>> who cut corners prefer to use, rather than a quality product."
>>>>
>>>> (snipped, unread)
>>>
>>> Let me guess: Quotes from cola advocates proving that, yes, they do
>>> consider value when making a choice! How terrible!
>>>
>>> That must mean that they would rather use Windows or Mac! Not.
>>>
>>> -highhorse doesn't understand the importance of software freedom, so
>>> he takes it out on his moral and intellectual superiors. He thinks
>>> it's about being a "cheapskate" or a "freeloader". -highhorse claims
>>> that "the open source nature of Linux tends to attractthe type of
>>> persona who somehow believes that all avenues are one-way streets set
>>> up to benefit him (and only him) as the true & deserving holy center
>>> of the universe."
>>>
>>> -highhorse is a stupid person and an asshole.
>>
>> The thing about Linux is that it is indeed for the freeloader... but
>> it's also for the academic, the gamer, the student, the poor family that
>> can barely afford to eat and the average user who is content to buy
>> quality software but also enjoys using the free stuff. I would wager
>> that open-source enthusiasts actually pay more for software than Windows
>> or Mac users do, but that they do it by donating to it.
>
> Many Windows users openly brag about pirating their software. And Microsoft
> basically gives away their office suite and OS to keep you in their
> ecosystem. I don't think I've bought a used computer in 15 years that didn't
> already have a Windows license built in — and they work all the way up to
> Windows 11. (And still, I don't use the crap.)

A guy I used to hang out with in the 2000s openly told me that he
pirated every game he played even though he could afford to buy them. In
his case, it seemed to be a force of habit though. Back when I was a
teenager, I don't think anyone bought a game at all. I was probably the
only one who ever did.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member

On 2025-01-04 03:32, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 1/3/25 3:10 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> On 2025-01-03 09:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 03/01/2025 13:56, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>> On 2025-01-03 06:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 02/01/2025 20:06, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-01-02 14:42, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and
>>>>>>>> Nobara,
>>>>>>>> is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who
>>>>>>>> try out
>>>>>>>> Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics,
>>>>>>>> and they
>>>>>>>> will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
>>>>>>>> especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and
>>>>>>>> offers a
>>>>>>>> ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the
>>>>>>>> desktop
>>>>>>>> effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the
>>>>>>>> widgets
>>>>>>>> in KDE actually work as they should.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd
>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>> have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
>>>>>> application will press the Windows key and then type the name of
>>>>>> what they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's
>>>>>> how I do it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree
>>>>>> with their design choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Odd, since MATE - a superset of GNOME - expects you to use a menu.
>>>>> Its very XP like.
>>>>>
>>>>> And since XP was what I was running when I switched entirely to
>>>>> Linux, I didn't have to relearn very much at all..
>>>>
>>>> We are talking about GNOME _now_ not then.
>>>>
>>> Fairy Nuff. I have no idea what it is now, but MATE is still built on
>>> gnome3  libraries AFAIK
>>> And was a sort of fork of gnome2 desktop
>>
>> I always thought that MATE used GTK2. If it indeed uses GTK3, all the
>> better.
>
>   GTK3 is a little better.
>
>   MATE isn't horrible, but it's still not my fave.
>   LXDE is my fave - JUST ENOUGH GUI. It's small
>   and it's sane and does what you need the way
>   you'd expect. Somewhere between the Win-2k
>   and XP experience.
>
>   DID like Win-2K ... still have it in a VM and
>   DO use it sometimes. Still ran 8/16 ... a big
>   advantage for people who love 'antique'-ware.
>   Nice simple GUI with few frills.

I haven't used much of LXDE but I know that I liked it. If I remember
correctly, that was what I installed on the computer I bought my parents
in the 2000s. I'm surprised that LXQT isn't as interesting though. I
used it for a moment a few months ago.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member

On 2025-01-04 07:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 04/01/2025 11:15, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/01/2025 00:43, D wrote:
>>>> Negro has also become a symbol word.
>>>
>>> You have to be really uneducated and thick not to know it simply
>>> means 'black'.
>>
>> Are you saying that the woke establishment, and 99% of non-english
>> speakers in europe are uneducated?? ;)
>
> Probably.
>
>>
>> I always try to explain the difference between nigger and negro, but
>> apparently that difference is beyond most, if not all people today. =/
> Nigger is to negro as Santa Claus is to Saint Nicholas. and goodbye is
> to God be with you

I actually had no idea about the last one. I think I'll use the long
form from now on.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member

On 1/1/2025 10:25 AM, shitv wrote:

> He [sbd] wasn't attacking anyone using idiocy and lies.

"You fart here in cola like a 80 year old faggot!

Hey DFFFFS, you are a dumb fucking faggot fairy fruit shit. You are a
pathetic, wasted human life that is good for nothing. You spend all day
scouring the internet to find nasty things about other people and post
them here and also digging up posts going back many many years, thinking
you are doing something great. What a pathetic waste of time, effort and
life. You are just a despicable pile of fag shit.

You scrounge around Linux forums to find dirt to post here, most of them
posted by Linux hating fags. You think you are being smart, but all you
are doing is following the farts of other fags.

The other thing is you love to talk about other men pee pees, your
favorite topic that is a definite sign of a fruit. It is clear you like
sausages up where the sun don’t shine. Everyone knows you are that type
of a man. The greatest fucking faggot to take up long time residence
here in cola.

I also notice you and two other kooky fags are always circling around
one another everywhere in cola sniffing each others butt like dogs. Are
you guys getting ready to mount each other?

Why dont you move on to alt.kook.fags, you might find more love there!"

- tween idiocy and lies from the "decent, reasonable advocate" sbd, Jun 2016

On 1/1/2025 10:26 AM, shitv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> (snipped, unread)
>
> Around your family, you like to pretend that you're a good person,
> don't you, -highhorse.
>
> If only they knew what an asshole you are, how eager to attack decent,
> reasonable people you are.

HUGE PKB.

"I would gladly show anyone what I do in here." - shitv, lying his
filthy head off

ONE month of your cola posts (Jun 2012):

"idiot, stupid, morons and assholes, fucking moron, true stupidity,
puerile assholery, worthless POS, evil bastards, trolling assholes,
jackass, dumb bastard, Wintroll circle-jerk, trolls are filthy, lying
piece of shit, piece of shit, POS, POS, what an *asshole*, fucking
*assholes*, shitty and dishonest Linux-haters, prick shit-canned, filthy
lying *asshole*, shit-brained arsehole, *stupidity* of epic proportions,
stupid* pile of shit, *jackass*, too God-damned *stupid*, trolling
shitwits, *stupid*, assholery, brain-damaged fucktard, piece of shit,
drooling retard/liar, drooling retard/liar, stupid piece of shit wannabe
dictators, jackass, clueless and lying idiot, ignorant ass, Stupid
fuckwit!, You stepped in your own shit, fuckwitted asshole, extremely
shitty, lying asshole, trolling fuckwit, you *stupid* asshole, POS,
asshole, shitty dishonesty, piece of shit, asshole, fuckwit, fuckwit,
lying fuckwit, you POS, you stupid piece of shit, couple of dishonest
little shits, a disease infesting the planet, POS and liar, fucktard
trolls, Windows-loving asshole, shitty, filthy Wintroll, bald-faced
liar, you piece of shit liar, shitty, useless Linux-haters, you stupid
piece of shit, piece of shit, Utterly worthless liar, filthy Win troll,
lying pieces of shit, fricken jackass, worthless lying POS jackass,
shamelessly lying POS, worthless, shit-brained asshole, POS liar, the
filthy liar, evil selfish bastards, fucking idiot, fucking *stupid*,
ignorant, spews garbage, jackass, idiot asshole, piece of shit, stupid
POS, trolling fuckwit, POS, lies his ass off, vile thing, shitty, liar,
ignorant lying piece of shit, vile bastard asshole liar, fucking *liar*,
worthless, shameless jackass, shitty, piece of shit liar, shameless
jackass, filthy lying assholes, jackass, cram it up your ass, asshole,
POS, filthy, immoral, dogshit brains, shitty little freedom-hating
dictator wannabee, fucking idiot, piece of shit, stupid, ignorant,
shameless asshole. Linux-hating pieces of shit, fucking, shit, shitty,
shitty, shitty, selfish assholes, shamelessly dishonest POS, vile lying
bastards, filthy liar, filthy fucks, fucking *assholes*, disgusting
scumbag, vile filthy mean, fuckwit, filthy fucking, liar, trolling
fuckwit, POS, filthy fuckwit, vile pukes, you shit, vile bastards,
filthy fuck, mentally-defective bigots disgusting freaks, piece of shit,
filthy lying bigot, shitty, filthy bigots, trolling fuckwit and shit,
vile bigot, fuckwit piece of shit disgusting freak"

What did you friends, family and boss think of that pile of puke?

On 2025-01-04 10:31, DFS wrote:
> On 1/3/2025 8:41 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> I was sitting in a supermarket parking lot in my new QX60 when the
>> daughter of the guy who parked to the left of me decided to open her
>> car door wide and smack my vehicle. She freaked out when she noticed
>> that I was in the car, had these wide eyes and couldn't think of doing
>> anything but motion her hands and say "sorry." I bet that she wouldn't
>> have cared whatsoever had I not been in the car. I looked at her and
>> uttered something in French saying that a sorry wouldn't be enough and
>> got out of my car. When she saw my size, she got into her car and
>> cowered where her dad ripped into her and asked whether she had
>> actually damaged anything. Luckily for both of them, she had only
>> transferred her dad's cheap Dodge paint onto my car and I was able to
>> easily wipe it off.
>
>
> You almost had to beat up a girl half your size.
>
> Linux made you tough...

Once again, you miss the point. Also, where did I suggest that I was
going to hurt her? Have you heard of insurance?

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On 2025-01-03 20:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 03/01/2025 18:37, -hh wrote:
>> On 1/3/25 11:43 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 03/01/2025 16:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
>>>>>> Sea levels have already risen by 4 inches since 1993, and hard
>>>>>> science
>>>>>> has found the primary energy imbalance reason why:  its
>>>>>> anthropometric.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sea level rise has been 3mm/yr for the last 4000 years. Nothing has
>>>>> changed
>>>>
>>>> This source disagrees:
>>>>
>>>>      https://ocean.si.edu/through-time/ancient-seas/sea-level-rise
>>>>
>>>> Also, sea level is *not* the same all over the world. The article
>>>> mentions that
>>>> as well.
>>>>
>>>> It's an interesting read.
>>>
>>> Well I will merely quote from the Wiki:
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_sea_level
>>>
>>> "Sea level has changed over geologic time. As the graph shows, sea
>>> level today is very near the *lowest level ever attained*  (the
>>> lowest level occurred at the Permian-Triassic boundary about 250
>>> million years ago)."
>>>
>>> "Recently, it has become widely accepted that late Holocene, 3,000
>>> calendar years ago to present, sea level was nearly stable prior to
>>> an acceleration of rate of rise that is variously dated between 1850
>>> and 1900 AD."
>>>
>>> *Long before any CO2 excess was present*.
>>
>> Yes, the rate of raise was nearly stable **before** the Industrial Age.
>>
>> Which is the point:  the contemporary acceleration in the rate of rise
>> is a change, and it is coincident with the advent of the Industrial Age.
>>
> But LONG before any distinctive rise in CO2, which really dint start
> until post WWII
>
> So no correlation with CO2 at all.
> Try not to be a climate denier
>
>
>
I don't know much about sea level changes. I live about 250 miles from
the sea, so I don't have to deal with it. But that doesn't mean I can
deny the changes in the climate right here where I live.

I'm a farmer, the third generation of my family to own and operate this
small chunk of the world. Among other crops, we have raised vegetables
and sold them on a roadside farm stand since 1962. We have records going
back most of that time, with small notes about things like the weather.

50 years ago, while there were exceptions (there are ALWAYS exceptions
when taking about weather trends), we could pretty much count on the
first killing frost happening between September 20 and the 25th.

The last 10 years or so, that event has moved to October 5-10. And in
2024, the first killing frost was on October 25th.

So the climate IS changing. I've watched it do so. But is it natural, or
man-made? In my layman's opinion, it's probably both. The basic
mechanism is probably natural, augmented by Man's contribution.

But what can we do about it? Little of any significance, unless we are
willing to take drastic measures - kill off about half the human
population, give up modern power-hungry technology, that sort of thing.

I'm not willing to do that, and I don't think anyone else is, either. So
what I'll do is continue to take advantage of the changes that are
happening, adapting as best I can.

I can now grow fruits and vegetables that I couldn't dream of 50 years
ago. Better, long-season varieties that I couldn't grow when I was a
kid. For now, the climate is changing toward being better, here. That
won't last, but it'll probably last longer than I do.

TJ

On 04/01/2025 15:58, TJ wrote:
> So the climate IS changing. I've watched it do so. But is it natural, or
> man-made? In my layman's opinion, it's probably both. The basic
> mechanism is probably natural, augmented by Man's contribution.
>
The point is that far far more drastic changes have happened without
modern humanity being involved.
The odds are in favour of natural change and CO2 doesn't make any real
difference at all,.

> But what can we do about it? Little of any significance, unless we are
> willing to take drastic measures - kill off about half the human
> population, give up modern power-hungry technology, that sort of thing.
>
Far better to pretend to 'do something' and make a shitload of money and
impose draconian restrictions on a population you despise.

> I'm not willing to do that, and I don't think anyone else is, either. So
> what I'll do is continue to take advantage of the changes that are
> happening, adapting as best I can.
>
The only sensible alternative

> I can now grow fruits and vegetables that I couldn't dream of 50 years
> ago. Better, long-season varieties that I couldn't grow when I was a
> kid. For now, the climate is changing toward being better, here. That
> won't last, but it'll probably last longer than I do.

I thought that too. Until a winter around 2002 killed every Escallonia I
had that had been flourishing...

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On 2025-01-04, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:

> My father was a racist - northern racist.

Q: What's the difference between a northern racist and a
southern racist?

A: A southern racist doesn't mind black people living
close by as long as they don't get uppity.
A northern racist doesn't mind black people getting
uppity as long as they don't live close by.

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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
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On 2025-01-04, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Well calling them Indians was a mistake made by some twat who thought
> the world was a lot smaller than it turned out to be. And he had sailed
> west to India...
>
> An alarming number of words are mistranslations and corruptions.

God bless Vespucciland!
-- Firesign Theatre

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 04:28:40 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 1/4/25 1:27 AM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:49:55 +0100, D wrote:
>>
>>> I think there's a sabb with an even wider one, but cannot find it. I
>>> saw it in a garage many decades ago.
>>
>> Oh, the 900. I've seen a few of those. Saabs always were a minority
>> brand in the US. I liked the old ones, but there were some really
>> strange beasts like the Sonnet II. I don't know why there was a Volvo
>> on every block while Saabs were driven by middle-aged lesbians.
>
> In the early 80s I saw a Saab that LOOKED almost like a Ferrari -
> deep deep met blue, just beautiful.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/market-trends/valuation/saabs-quirky-sonett-
gaining-attention/

https://www.reddit.com/r/WeirdWheels/comments/pshhnm/saab_sonett_iii/

The Sonetts weren't too bad but like some women you had to look at them
from the right angle. It was like several designers worked independently
and they stitched the pieces together.

One of the best looking cars from the era that never caught on was the
Opel GT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_GT

There is one in town. I used it as a landmark for years for a turn to a
trailhead. afaik it never moved. Finally it moved around the block and I
was lost.

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 10:09:47 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 04/01/2025 06:16, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 02:06:17 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/01/2025 00:43, D wrote:
>>>> Negro has also become a symbol word.
>>>
>>> You have to be really uneducated and thick not to know it simply means
>>> 'black'.
>>
>> The best PC invention is latinx. It sounds like something you take
>> when you haven't shit in three days. I don't even think the latinx
>> people care for it. Indian is touchy too. Some are into 'Native
>> American', some aren't.
> Well calling them Indians was a mistake made by some twat who thought
> the world was a lot smaller than it turned out to be. And he had sailed
> west to India...
>
> An alarming number of words are mistranslations and corruptions.

True and it gets confusing as more East Indians come to the US. However
Native Americans were called Indians for a few centuries. Even the Bureau
of Indian Affairs never changed its name.

It's like the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
When it was started in 1909 'colored' was good. Then colored became bad
and negro became good. Then black. Now we're back to 'people of color'.

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 04:39:14 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 12/31/24 10:03 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 01:40:33 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
>>
>>> Biggest assholes where I live are Tesla owners, Dodge Hemi and Mustang
>>> owners.
>>> It used to be Land/Range Rover people but things have changed.
>>
>> When you pul up behind a F-250 with imitation bull testicles dangling
>> from the trailer hitch you have a good idea what you're dealing with.
>
> Got stuck in southern Kentucky once behind a Ford Courier with a
> likely 1000 pound hog in the back. Every time it would twitch its ass
> the whole vehicle would wobble :-)
>
> That 'truck' had REAL balls hangin out the back ! :-)

At least it wasn't a Pinto. You make do with what you got. Those mini-
pickups were cute. I rode shotgun in one on a way to a party. It was
mostly bikes but the one guy with a pickup was elected to bring the kegs.
For ease of loading/unloading the kegs were as close to the tailgate as
possible. I noticed he was having a little problem with lane control. He
said "I'm not sure the front wheels are touching the road much."

On Sat, 04 Jan 2025 18:19:23 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2025-01-04, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>
>> My father was a racist - northern racist.
>
> Q: What's the difference between a northern racist and a
> southern racist?
>
> A: A southern racist doesn't mind black people living
> close by as long as they don't get uppity.
> A northern racist doesn't mind black people getting
> uppity as long as they don't live close by.

I believe that came from Billie Holiday's 'Lady Sings the Blues'. She saw
it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Web007rzSOI

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 10:15:10 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 04/01/2025 07:56, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> The USA is inherently isolationist ... would rather NOT
>>   mess around with any other countries. There's "Here"
>>   and "Over There".
>
> Till some guy drives a truck into you and it turns out it's all about
> 'over there'
>
> Like the UK in the 19th century, the average American has no idea how
> much of his peace prosperity and wealth comes from hard noised
> businessmen backed up by thin red lines of very tough men indeed,
> operating in far off countries.
>
> The UK learnt that there is no 'over there' after all.

General Smedley Butler's 'War is a Racket' was in part about his time in
the Marine Corps division of the United Fruit Company during the Banana
Wars'.

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 10:07:13 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> On 2025-01-04 01:27, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:49:55 +0100, D wrote:
>>
>>> I think there's a sabb with an even wider one, but cannot find it. I
>>> saw it in a garage many decades ago.
>>
>> Oh, the 900. I've seen a few of those. Saabs always were a minority
>> brand in the US. I liked the old ones, but there were some really
>> strange beasts like the Sonnet II. I don't know why there was a Volvo
>> on every block while Saabs were driven by middle-aged lesbians.
>
> Volvo used to be synonymous with safety and they were built to last
> forever. It was their reputation and it was very much the reality. Once
> Ford bought the company though, everything went downhill. Now the
> Chinese own them and I can't help but notice that they're at the bottom
> in the reliability index.

A friend's father gave him a new Volvo when he graduated college. He had
some sort of feeling that he would live as long as the Volvo or something
and hung on to it for years. After a minor accident he was irate when the
insurance company paid out based on the value of the car, which was about
$100, despite his paying for a policy that was designed for people with
rare vintage cars.

Another friend who lived in Boston had two Healey 3000s stolen which were
never recovered. Sick of the aggravation he bought a Volvo. That too was
stolen but the cops found it abandoned with little damage.