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* GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Chris Ahlstrom
`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Farley Flud
 +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1John Ames
 |+* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Farley Flud
 ||`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1John Ames
 || +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Farley Flud
 || |+- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1John Ames
 || |+* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 || ||`- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Farley Flud
 || |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1TJ
 || | `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 || |  +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1-hh
 || |  |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Farley Flud
 || |  | +- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Physfitfreak
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 || |  |  |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1TJ
 || |  |  | +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 || |  |  | |+* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1rbowman
 || |  |  | ||+- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 || |  |  | ||`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 || |  |  | || `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Carlos E.R.
 || |  |  | ||  +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 || |  |  | ||  |+* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Carlos E.R.
 || |  |  | ||  ||+* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 || |  |  | ||  |||+- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Carlos E.R.
 || |  |  | ||  |||`- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1rbowman
 || |  |  | ||  ||`- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 || |  |  | ||  |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 || |  |  | ||  | +- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 || |  |  | ||  | `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Charlie Gibbs
 || |  |  | ||  `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 || |  |  | ||   +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1chrisv
 || |  |  | ||   |+- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 || |  |  | ||   |`- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 || |  |  | ||   `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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 || |  |  `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 || |  `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Farley Flud
 || `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1D
 |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Chris Ahlstrom
 | `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1John Ames
 +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Joel
 |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Charlie Gibbs
 | +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Farley Flud
 | |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1chrisv
 | | `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1186282@ud0s4.net
 | |  +- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 | |  `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1chrisv
 | |   +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Farley Flud
 | |   |+* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Joel
 | |   ||`- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 | |   |+* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 | |   ||+- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Diego Garcia
 | |   ||+- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
 | |   ||`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1186282@ud0s4.net
 | |   || +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Farley Flud
 | |   || |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1D
 | |   || | `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 | |   || |  +* Re: GIMP (and digiKam and other photo management programs)Lars Poulsen
 | |   || |  |+- Re: GIMP (and digiKam and other photo management programs)Andrzej Matuch
 | |   || |  |`- Re: GIMP (and digiKam and other photo management programs)rbowman
 | |   || |  `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1D
 | |   || |   +- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 | |   || |   `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1186282@ud0s4.net
 | |   || |    +- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1D
 | |   || |    `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 | |   || |     `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Charlie Gibbs
 | |   || |      `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 | |   || `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 | |   ||  `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
 | |   |+- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Lem Novantotto
 | |   |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 (and digiKam and showFoto)Lars Poulsen
 | |   | +- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 (and digiKam and showFoto)Carlos E.R.
 | |   | +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 (and digiKam and showFoto)Lawrence D'Oliveiro
 | |   | |`- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 (and digiKam and showFoto)Lars Poulsen
 | |   | `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 (and digiKam and showFoto)-hh
 | |   +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Computer Nerd Kev
 | |   |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1D
 | |   | `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
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 | |   |   +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 | |   |   |+- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Computer Nerd Kev
 | |   |   |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1D
 | |   |   | `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 | |   |   |  `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Charlie Gibbs
 | |   |   |   +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
 | |   |   |   |`- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Chris Ahlstrom
 | |   |   |   +- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 | |   |   |   `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1D
 | |   |   |    +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Charlie Gibbs
 | |   |   |    |+- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
 | |   |   |    |+* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1D
 | |   |   |    ||`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1rbowman
 | |   |   |    || `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1D
 | |   |   |    ||  `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1rbowman
 | |   |   |    ||   +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Lars Poulsen
 | |   |   |    ||   |+- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1rbowman
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 | |   |   |    ||   `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 | |   |   |    |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1chrisv
 | |   |   |    `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1rbowman
 | |   |   `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Carlos E.R.
 | |   `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1-hh
 | `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Carlos E.R.
 `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Chris Ahlstrom

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Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: rbowman
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 19:42 UTC
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From: bowman@montana.com (rbowman)
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Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara,
> is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
> Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they
> will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
> especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and offers a
> ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
> effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets
> in KDE actually work as they should.

The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather
have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: rbowman
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 20:04 UTC
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From: bowman@montana.com (rbowman)
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Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:30:14 +0100, D wrote:

> Postgres is interesting. It's old, but doesn't get mentioned a lot these
> days. Would you say their engineering culture is something to study?

Are you kidding?

https://www.enterprisedb.com/blog/postgres-most-admired-database-in-stack-
overflow-2023

https://www.timescale.com/blog/postgres-for-everything

What is important to me is the PostGIS add-on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostGIS

SQLite has a similar extension:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpatiaLite

> I've heard that many people do not like the python 2 to 3 debacle, and
> that python is becoming worse from a governance perspective. I've heard
> the woke mind virus has settled deep within the python project.

The backward incompatibility did put people off. Up until ArcGIS 11.x
Esri's ArcPy tools were based on Python 2.7 so my scripts needed to be
updated. However 10.7 was the end of the line for the 32-bit Esri tools
along with 2.7 Python so everything changed with 11.

https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct/

What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: Andrzej Matuch
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On 2025-01-02 14:42, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara,
>> is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
>> Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they
>> will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
>> especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and offers a
>> ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
>> effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets
>> in KDE actually work as they should.
>
> The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather
> have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
> brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.

GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
application will press the Windows key and then type the name of what
they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's how I do
it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree with their
design choice.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: Pancho
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On 1/2/25 20:06, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> On 2025-01-02 14:42, rbowman wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara,
>>> is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
>>> Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they
>>> will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
>>> especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and offers a
>>> ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
>>> effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets
>>> in KDE actually work as they should.
>>
>> The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather
>> have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
>> brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
>
> GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
> application will press the Windows key and then type the name of what
> they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's how I do
> it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree with their
> design choice.
>

I agree. I started using Gnome in 2014, it changed the way I use MS
Windows. Menus tend to be arbitrary, very difficult to find stuff. A
short task bar of frequently used apps and text search for other stuff
is much better.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: rbowman
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On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 04:05:25 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2025-01-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 01 Jan 2025 21:09:53 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> Around here, most asshole pickups are black - although occasionally
>>> white - but all of them are immaculate. Not a speck of dirt. They've
>>> probably never been off pavement. The same make and model, but with
>>> some dirt and maybe a ding or two, is typically driven by someone
>>> who's using it for work, rather than as a penis extender.
>>
>> Not my usual genre but I laughed my butt off at the scene at the end
>> when the credits are rolling and Sarge, the Willys Jeep, is running a
>> bootcamp for 4WD trucks and SUVs that have never been off the pavement.
>
> Yes, my post reminded me of that too. :-)

I probably should have said 'Cars' instead of leaving people wondering
'end of what?'

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 15:06:25 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
> application will press the Windows key and then type the name of what
> they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's how I do
> it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree with their
> design choice.

I suppose. On KDE if I'm looking for thonny, I bring up the menu, mouse
over Development, and there it is, along with mu and vs code.

I sometimes type in the Windows search box but most of what I use
regularly is in the 'favorites' box or whatever it's called on the start
menu. Different strokes.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On 1/1/25 1:20 PM, Joel wrote:
> Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 11:44:29 -0500, -hh wrote:
>>
>>> [quote]
>>> Unfortunately, the only way that this point actually becomes
>>> "reasonable" is by finally admitting that many/most Linux fanboys are
>>> chronic consummate cheapskates.
>>> [/quote]
>>
>> You omit that many/most commercial software packages are
>> EXTORTIONATE in that they capture users via proprietary
>> formats and subscription accounts. The only difference
>> between them and the gangsters of old are the machine
>> guns.
>>
>> I can pay $100 for a 1/2" power drill and I can expect it
>> to last 25-50 years or more. (I inherited a power drill
>>from my grandfather that is almost 70 years old. The
>> only problem is a loose connection in the power cable
>> that can be easily fixed.)
>>
>> That same $100 won't even buy a 1 month subscription
>> for a desktop software package.
>>
>> The situation is borderline criminality.
>>
>> Both software and information want to be free (as in
>> "freedom" and not "beer"). We are seeing this happen.
>> Commercial software on the desktop is an endangered species.
>>
>> I can understand the airline industry paying big bucks
>> for flight reservation software, or the nuclear power industry
>> paying big bucks for control software, but a desktop spreadsheet
>> or word processor is trivial and should cost nothing.
>>
>> Everything done on the desktop has been standardized decades
>> ago. There is no need for commercial software in this arena.
>
>
> Clearly you're just ranting nonsense,

Which is par for the course for Feeb.

For example, good luck finding a 1/2" power drill for sale new today for
just $100 which will last for even 10 years of use, let alone his
"25-50" claim: the days of bulletproof all metal body Craftsman or
Black & Decker power tools are long since gone.

And they've been gone for decades: I can recall being on a job site
circa 1980 where the commercial grades died and the solution was a quick
run to Sears to buy a couple of Craftsman drills until the good stuff
could be express delivered. The result was that the assembly team was
burning out nearly 1 drill/day, which also meant that after 3-4 dead
drills got returned, the Sears was getting wise to the returns.

> ...people will pay M$ and Adobe for software if they really need it,
> the question is more whether the average consumer needs them - I, for
> one, prefer LO and GIMP

Of course, but that's a shift from "average user" to "consumer" to take
away the original context of corporate applications where these examples
were indeed the mainstream tools for decades, to try to rationalize
based on the needs/budgets of just a personal home PC user.

-hh

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: Andrzej Matuch
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On 2025-01-02 15:13, Pancho wrote:
> On 1/2/25 20:06, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> On 2025-01-02 14:42, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara,
>>>> is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
>>>> Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they
>>>> will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
>>>> especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and
>>>> offers a
>>>> ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
>>>> effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets
>>>> in KDE actually work as they should.
>>>
>>> The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather
>>> have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
>>> brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
>>
>> GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
>> application will press the Windows key and then type the name of what
>> they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's how I do
>> it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree with their
>> design choice.
>>
>
> I agree. I started using Gnome in 2014, it changed the way I use MS
> Windows. Menus tend to be arbitrary, very difficult to find stuff. A
> short task bar of frequently used apps and text search for other stuff
> is much better.

Funny enough, my use of Windows also changed from using GNOME. Pressing
the Windows key and typing the name of the application seems a lot more
natural than the alternative. I'm happy I can do that in KDE too.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41
KDE supporting member

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 16:11:11 -0500, -hh wrote:

>
> For example, good luck finding a 1/2" power drill for sale new today for
> just $100 which will last for even 10 years of use, let alone his
> "25-50" claim: the days of bulletproof all metal body Craftsman or
> Black & Decker power tools are long since gone.
>

I don't need "luck". I purchased a Milwaukee 1/2" for about $100
(maybe more maybe less). Milwaukee power tools are renowned throughout
the industrial trades as being perhaps the ultimate in quality.

Furthermore, all metal body construction was abandoned long ago due
to the shock hazards. The durable polymers that are now used are more
than an adequate substitute.

But this is all totally superfluous. The main point of the OP is that
commercial software companies can easily produce software that can
last decades, if not forever, but such software would literally destroy
them as a business entity. Therefore they are forced into extortionate
practices just to keep alive.

FOSS, OTOH, has no such ridiculous concerns.

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: Carlos E.R.
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On 2025-01-02 03:50, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 22:45:28 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> Yes, there are rules here, and ways to go around them, somehow. I
>> understand there is/was a cardboard disk that registers the truck speed.
>> Now there is some electronic version with a card with a chip
>> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_tachograph).
>
> The trucks I drove were governed to 65 mph and the company wasn't
> converned about the speed. The log book was a 9x12 booklet stapled
> together with two staples where you recorded your statuses with a pen,
> drawing lines on a graph. The staples made it handy to remove fictional
> pages after the fact after dreaming up a plausible legal description of
> how you got from A to B that matched time stamped materials like fuel or
> toll receipts. That was then.
>
> https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/16099-electronic-logging-device.html
>
> Now they know where you are, how fast you're moving, if you're taking
> curves a little too aggressively, whether you're taking your breaks, and
> so forth. Of course your route is logged so they know if you're dodging
> scales.
>
> Over and above that if you have a hazardous materials endorsement you need
> a DHS security check. Most trucking companies won't hire you without the
> HazMat endorsement. I never had many hazmat loads but seeming benign stuff
> like house paint can fall in the category so the company wants the
> flexibility.
>
> On the plus side if you have placards for Poison or Explosives they give
> you plenty of room at truck stops.
>

I'll always remember this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Alfaques_disaster

The Los Alfaques disaster was caused by the explosion of a road tanker
near a holiday campsite on 11 July 1978 in Alcanar, Spain. The exploding
truck, which was carrying 23 tons of highly flammable liquefied
propylene, killed 215 people and severely burned 200 more. Several
individuals from the company that owned the vehicle were prosecuted for
criminal negligence. The disaster resulted in new legislation in Spain,
restricting the transit of vehicles carrying dangerous cargo through
populated areas to night time only.

Most of the victims were on holiday from West Germany and some other
European countries, and who were staying at the Los Alfaques seaside
campground. The site, which is located at km 159 on the N-340 national
road, is 2 kilometres (1.2 mi) south of the town of Sant Carles de la
Ràpita.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: -hh
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From: recscuba_google@huntzinger.com (-hh)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On 1/2/25 4:29 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 16:11:11 -0500, -hh wrote:
>
>>
>> For example, good luck finding a 1/2" power drill for sale new today for
>> just $100 which will last for even 10 years of use, let alone his
>> "25-50" claim: the days of bulletproof all metal body Craftsman or
>> Black & Decker power tools are long since gone.
>>
>
> I don't need "luck". I purchased a Milwaukee 1/2" for about $100
> (maybe more maybe less). Milwaukee power tools are renowned throughout
> the industrial trades as being perhaps the ultimate in quality.

Yeah, Milwaukee's good, but they're not $100.

Grainger's price is $187+:

<https://www.grainger.com/product/3DU39>

Of course, you're free to go buy from someplace else, where you're
taking a risk on codeshares or counterfeits ...

.... as well as to post the receipt to substantiate your price claim.

> Furthermore, all metal body construction was abandoned long ago due
> to the shock hazards. The durable polymers that are now used are more
> than an adequate substitute.

Oh, I'm quite aware of that, because the hand-me-down that I got had to
get tossed at <40 years age because it was shorting out to the body. I
used it for awhile wearing workgloves before getting fed up and a 1/2"
Craftsman- it lasted only around 15 years before it died. These days, I
look to Dewalt, Bosch or Makita as first string.

> But this is all totally superfluous. The main point of the OP is that
> commercial software companies can easily produce software that can
> last decades, if not forever, but such software would literally destroy
> them as a business entity. Therefore they are forced into extortionate
> practices just to keep alive.

Depends on the use case, as well as the business model. For example,
there's code that's been use for ~50 years but its not been static the
entire time: there's invariably places for improvement & patches.

> FOSS, OTOH, has no such ridiculous concerns.

If that were truly a characteristic unique to FOSS, then Linux
(including Android) would never have had any security patch updates.

-hh

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: Carlos E.R.
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From: robin_listas@es.invalid (Carlos E.R.)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On 2025-01-02 12:20, D wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> On 2025-01-01 23:00, D wrote:
>>> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-01-01 12:43, D wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 05:11:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not disputing whether BMWs are better vehicles, whether to
>>>>>>> drive or
>>>>>>> for some other reason.  What I do notice is that many people who
>>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>> BMWs feel that the car confers some sort of superior class on the
>>>>>>> driver, and they feel it is the God-given duty for us plebes who
>>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>> lesser cars to get out of their way - to the point of making
>>>>>>> exasperated
>>>>>>> hand gestures at those of us who don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I was trucking I was amused by BMW drivers who tried to play
>>>>>> chicken
>>>>>> with a 65' long 18 wheeled vehicle outweighing them by about 75,000
>>>>>> pounds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That reminds me... when I was in spain once, a big truck didn't
>>>>> look out before changing lanes and almost pushed me off the road.
>>>>> He saw it in time though and apologized. I had an elevated pulse
>>>>> for a while.
>>>>
>>>> Was that recently, or long ago?
>>>
>>> Probably 2 or 3 years ago.
>>>
>>>> Lorry drivers in Spain, long ago, were known as gentlemen of the
>>>> road. Certainly not so in recent times. They are exploited, and it
>>>> shows in their tempers. They drive around tired.
>>>
>>> Oh he definitely was very sorry about the incident, and as far as it
>>> is possible for two humans to communicate wordlessly through windows,
>>> my feeling was that he deeply sorry and apologetic about the
>>> incident, so no shadow on that man.
>>
>> Well, anybody can make mistakes :-)
>>
>>>
>>>> They tend to change lane fast because otherwise a car comes and
>>>> impedes it. This forces the incoming traffic on the left lane to
>>>> brake and swear softly.
>>>
>>> Yes, exactly what happened... semi-hard break and soft swearing. ;)
>>
>>
>> Once I overtook a lorry that had a wheel... dunno how to describe. It
>> had burst, part of the rubber was lost, and the rest of the rubber was
>> spinning loosely, still thankfully retained. I was amazed, did not
>> know what to do. I had passengers. I just speed past the danger. It
>> was very early in the morning.
>>
>> I still do not know what I should had done. Probably pull back and
>> phone 112.
>
> I drive most often i south-eastern spain and I find spanish highways
> excellent! Spain should designate some areas without speed limit. In
> fact, there's a private highway that has very little traffic, since it
> cost 10 euros or so to enter the stretch of road, and it is so straight
> it could easily accomodate no speed limit! =) In fact, once, when I was
> happily driving around 165 in a little Fiat 500, a Mercedes overtook me.
> He must have been driving around 240 or so.

There some terrible highways around here. There is one, the RM-1 where
the ground has shifted, so badly that if you pass doing 120Km/h your
horns will make holes in the roof. Bumps on the road surface.

Instead of repairing them, they limited the speed to 100 or less.

<https://www.google.es/maps/@37.9363242,-0.9704533,11z?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTIxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D>

You may notice that it is not connected to other highways on the north
end. They are still arguing who is going to pay, for a decade or so.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: Farley Flud
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Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 16:50:09 -0500, -hh wrote:

>
> ... as well as to post the receipt to substantiate your price claim.
>

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

That's not the point of this thread.

>
> Oh, I'm quite aware of that,
>

Oh sure, sure, sure.

If I had not indicated that obvious fact then you would have
never indicated your "awareness."

You must think that you are playing with stupid children,
otherwise you wouldn't play at all.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

>
> Depends on the use case, as well as the business model.
>

No it doesn't.

>
> there's invariably places for improvement & patches.
>

Only regarding the UI and/or security.

Neither or which have any bearing on the original code.

>>
>> FOSS, OTOH, has no such ridiculous concerns.
>
> If that were truly a characteristic unique to FOSS, then Linux
> (including Android) would never have had any security patch updates.
>

As I already indicated, "security" issues have no bearing on the
original code. They are at the very best totally optional.

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: chrisv
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-hh wrote:

> (snipped, unread)

The lying attacker -highhorse lashing-out after getting his ass handed
to him for the umpteenth time?

--
'Basically, the COLA Attitude towards IP can be summarized as follows:
"When it is my IP it is good, but when it is anyone else's IP it is
evil (and OK to steal)."' - lying asshole "-hh", lying shamelessly

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: rbowman
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On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 22:38:13 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> The Los Alfaques disaster was caused by the explosion of a road tanker
> near a holiday campsite on 11 July 1978 in Alcanar, Spain. The exploding
> truck, which was carrying 23 tons of highly flammable liquefied
> propylene, killed 215 people and severely burned 200 more.

https://cbs6albany.com/news/local/60th-anniversary-of-1962-berlin-ny-
tragedy-explosion

That was nowhere near the scale. Most of the small towns only had
volunteer fire departments but they also had a mutual aid system. The
siren would blow and the volunteers would drive to the fire hall to get
the equipment and find out where the fire was. My father and I were
swimming when sirens went off all over and we knew it was something big.

Both routes 2 or 7 are winding mountain roads but the one he found himself
on is a real goat trail. It will never be known if he ran out of luck or
made a conscious decision at the point where he crashed but a quarter mile
or so downhill is a quaint little town square with a monument in the
middle of it that you wouldn't want to negotiate faster than 25 mph in a
passenger car.

I've been places like that where once you've committed to the road you
can't turn around or back up. No fun.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On 2025-01-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> ... That was when cars had real bumpers and frames so the actual
> damage dropped off rapidly.

Ahh, the days of the 5mph bumper: DoT regulatiuons required that new
cars must have bumpers that would allow a 5 mph hit without structural
damage to the car. Carter years?

Then came the new car designs with crumple zones, and that was the end
of that.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On 2025-01-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct/
>
> What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
> end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?

The problem seems to be that some a**holes NEED to be smacked with
regulations before they will live up to basic civility. And then they
complain about "woke tyranny".

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On 1/2/25 7:25 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 22:38:13 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> The Los Alfaques disaster was caused by the explosion of a road tanker
>> near a holiday campsite on 11 July 1978 in Alcanar, Spain. The exploding
>> truck, which was carrying 23 tons of highly flammable liquefied
>> propylene, killed 215 people and severely burned 200 more.
>
> https://cbs6albany.com/news/local/60th-anniversary-of-1962-berlin-ny-
> tragedy-explosion
>
> That was nowhere near the scale. Most of the small towns only had
> volunteer fire departments but they also had a mutual aid system. The
> siren would blow and the volunteers would drive to the fire hall to get
> the equipment and find out where the fire was. My father and I were
> swimming when sirens went off all over and we knew it was something big.
>
> Both routes 2 or 7 are winding mountain roads but the one he found himself
> on is a real goat trail. It will never be known if he ran out of luck or
> made a conscious decision at the point where he crashed but a quarter mile
> or so downhill is a quaint little town square with a monument in the
> middle of it that you wouldn't want to negotiate faster than 25 mph in a
> passenger car.
>
> I've been places like that where once you've committed to the road you
> can't turn around or back up. No fun.

Berlin, NY. .. No wonder you listen to country music. Goes well with
hearing cows moo 24x7.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: rbowman
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On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 01:46:39 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:

> Ahh, the days of the 5mph bumper: DoT regulatiuons required that new
> cars must have bumpers that would allow a 5 mph hit without structural
> damage to the car. Carter years?

Can't blame Jimmy for that one. It all started in '71, so Nixon years.

> Then came the new car designs with crumple zones, and that was the end
> of that.

A kid with a plow on his pickup made an illegal left turn and hit my
Toyota. Neither of us were doing much more than 20 mph. No injuries, no
air bags, and since I was only a mile and a half from home I drove the car
back telling the cop to call off the wrecker.

When the guy from the auto body place selected by the insurance company
came to pick it up, he took a quick look and said 'totaled'. I thought it
was mostly plastic cosmetics but the frame had crumbled.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: rbowman
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On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 01:50:57 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:

> On 2025-01-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct/
>>
>> What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
>> end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
>
> The problem seems to be that some a**holes NEED to be smacked with
> regulations before they will live up to basic civility. And then they
> complain about "woke tyranny".

I grew up in a different time and place. It was a dying mill town in
upstate NY and you figured out pretty fast if you mouthed off you'd get
smacked with a little more than a regulation. Your choice, but if you
wanted to be an asshole you'd better have some fighting skills.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On 1/2/25 10:05 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 01:46:39 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
>
>> Ahh, the days of the 5mph bumper: DoT regulatiuons required that new
>> cars must have bumpers that would allow a 5 mph hit without structural
>> damage to the car. Carter years?
>
> Can't blame Jimmy for that one. It all started in '71, so Nixon years.
>
>> Then came the new car designs with crumple zones, and that was the end
>> of that.
>
> A kid with a plow on his pickup made an illegal left turn and hit my
> Toyota. Neither of us were doing much more than 20 mph. No injuries, no
> air bags, and since I was only a mile and a half from home I drove the car
> back telling the cop to call off the wrecker.
>
> When the guy from the auto body place selected by the insurance company
> came to pick it up, he took a quick look and said 'totaled'. I thought it
> was mostly plastic cosmetics but the frame had crumbled.

Find an old International Harvester truck ... SOLID
steel all through. Parts may be tricky though ...

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On 1/2/25 6:33 AM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 01/01/2025 21:33, rbowman wrote:
>>> wiw, the company I worked for at the times didn't find excellence either
>>> and is gone. Come to think of it every company I ever worked for
>>> directly
>>> or on contract is gone. Maybe I'm the kiss of death?
>>
>> Companies exist in a phase of 'rising star' 'mature' 'cash cow' and
>> 'death spiral'
>>
>> IBM for example died years ago - the company today is just the old
>> business services division.
>>
>> No company I ever worked for is extant today in anything like its
>> original form.
>
> I wonder if a new owner would be able to shake some life into z and p?
> As it is, IBM seems to be trying to kill those lines hard with high prices.

I've got a fair bit of IBM stock ... it's NOT "dead",
indeed pays pretty good interest. The corp just found
other ways to make a buck and is large enough to make
it work.

But its core biz is NOT exactly what it was in the 80s
and previous.

You still CAN buy an IBM mainframe - up to four linked
Big Black Z Boxes with impressive specs. Even runs the
IBM-branded RedHat if you want (many do). If you've
got a busy global biz, a good way to go.

https://www.ibm.com/z

Hmmm ... saw something about Plan-9 being ported
to the Z-Boxes ... they were very proud.

I think IBM still has a future, just not making PCs
and typewriters. STILL doing good chip work however ...
but mostly for internal consumption.

On the neg ... IBMs 'AI', "Watson", was originally
a triumph but seems to have fallen a bit behind the
proverbial curve of late. It's still very 'biz
oriented' and has a medical diagnostics branch that's
quite good, but it's not as 'general' as Chat
or OpenAI.

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From: 186283@ud0s4.net (186282@ud0s4.net)
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2025 01:59:39 -0500
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On 1/2/25 5:07 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 01/01/2025 23:17, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>> hank you. But there isn't really any reason why you HAVE to use just
>>> one distro...
>>
>> There is also no reason why I would use another.
>
> Yes.
>
> The *only* reason I run a headless raspios/Debian setup is because that
> is the most used and best known version for the Pi.
>
> Otherwise its Mint all the way. Its *good enough*...

Mint IS "good enough" - indeed Pretty Damned Good.
It will fit most needs very nicely.

MX might be a tad better for some (this laptop is MX).
Some of the tools they've gathered are very useful
and the install is smart and No BS.

For that matter the latest Fedora is "good enough"
as well. Just don't use GNOME desktop :-)

OpenSUSE is also great - but I'm worried about how
it uses the now IBM-owned sources.

Many ways to go.

For Pi5 nothing BUT Debian WORM. Even after a year,
still no sure-shit Fedora for Pi5. CAN be made to
boot, but .....

I quit buying P5s. They're fucked up somehow,
the boot logic seems just Really Bad. Bought
a couple P4s recently - good enough for what
Pi's are for and there are a bunch of distros
that'll install clean on them.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: 186282@ud0s4.net
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On 1/2/25 6:22 AM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025, chrisv wrote:
>
>> D wrote:
>>
>>>> Your other two recent posts were deleted, unread.
>>>
>>> This sounds to me like you admit defeat. (snipped, unread)
>>
>> Trolling 101.  Claim victory in the midst of defeat.
>>
>> The reality is that I'm so much better that after making my point I
>> can ignore what dipshits say, with the confidence that no decent
>> person would side with the dipshit.
>>
>> Your 4:01 post was deleted, unread, as will every post that you make
>> in this thread, from now on.
>
> Ahh... I won! It was a good fight chris, but you met someone better and
> lost. =)

Ah ... "The Wars" return ...... not unexpected alas ...
seems a 'Human Thing", the quest for elevated 'status'
forever and always. On This Episode of Game Of Thrones ...

Fortunately it's not 'war' over Linux Stuff again (yet).

Hey, I can't program a TCP stack from memory or know
every detail of sockets at the ASM level (and no, I did
not have an extensive ed in every 'philosophy')- guess
that makes me totally inferior and useless. Always
was a Jack Of All Trades, Master Of Few. Whatever,
I ain't that proud, good for what I'm good for and
that's good enough :-)

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: rbowman
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On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 01:35:21 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> I think IBM still has a future, just not making PCs and typewriters.
> STILL doing good chip work however ...
> but mostly for internal consumption.

Not so much...

The dream:
https://acquisitioninternational.digital/globalfoundries-acquires-ibm-s-
microelectronics2/

The reality:
https://www.silicon.co.uk/e-regulation/legal/ibm-globalfoundries-settle-
respective-lawsuits-594074

There was also a suit by GF against IBM for divulging some of the covered
IP to Intel. The Essex Junction fab is still living.

https://www.marketplace.org/2024/03/26/with-chips-act-money-the-biden-
administration-bets-an-old-plant-can-make-new-chips/

afaik East Fishkill is gone.

https://midhudsonnews.com/2023/10/02/former-ibm-campus-filled-to-capacity/

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