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* GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Chris Ahlstrom
`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Farley Flud
 +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1John Ames
 |+* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Farley Flud
 ||`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1John Ames
 || +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Farley Flud
 || |+- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1John Ames
 || |+* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 || ||`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Farley Flud
 || || +- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 || || `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Physfitfreak
 || ||  `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Physfitfreak
 || |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1TJ
 || | `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 || |  +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1-hh
 || |  |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Farley Flud
 || |  | +- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Physfitfreak
 || |  | `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1-hh
 || |  |  +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Farley Flud
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 || |  |  |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1TJ
 || |  |  | +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 || |  |  | |+* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1rbowman
 || |  |  | ||+- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 || |  |  | ||`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 || |  |  | || `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Carlos E.R.
 || |  |  | ||  +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 || |  |  | ||  |+* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Carlos E.R.
 || |  |  | ||  ||+* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 || |  |  | ||  |||+- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Carlos E.R.
 || |  |  | ||  |||`- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1rbowman
 || |  |  | ||  ||`- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 || |  |  | ||  |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 || |  |  | ||  | +- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 || |  |  | ||  | `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Charlie Gibbs
 || |  |  | ||  `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 || |  |  | ||   +- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 || |  |  | ||   +- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 || |  |  | ||   `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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 || |  |  `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 || |  `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Farley Flud
 || `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1D
 |+- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
 |+* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
 ||`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1rbowman
 || +- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1RonB
 || `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Chris Ahlstrom
 ||  `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1rbowman
 ||   `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Chris Ahlstrom
 ||    `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1rbowman
 ||     `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Chris Ahlstrom
 ||      `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1rbowman
 |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Chris Ahlstrom
 | `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1John Ames
 +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Joel
 |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Charlie Gibbs
 | +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Farley Flud
 | |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1chrisv
 | | `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1186282@ud0s4.net
 | |  `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1chrisv
 | |   +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Farley Flud
 | |   |+* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Joel
 | |   ||`- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 | |   |+* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 | |   ||+- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Diego Garcia
 | |   ||+- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
 | |   ||`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1186282@ud0s4.net
 | |   || +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Farley Flud
 | |   || |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1D
 | |   || | `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 | |   || |  +* Re: GIMP (and digiKam and other photo management programs)Lars Poulsen
 | |   || |  |+- Re: GIMP (and digiKam and other photo management programs)Andrzej Matuch
 | |   || |  |`- Re: GIMP (and digiKam and other photo management programs)rbowman
 | |   || |  `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1D
 | |   || |   +- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 | |   || |   `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1186282@ud0s4.net
 | |   || |    +- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1D
 | |   || |    `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 | |   || |     `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Charlie Gibbs
 | |   || |      `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 | |   || `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1The Natural Philosopher
 | |   ||  `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
 | |   |+- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Lem Novantotto
 | |   |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 (and digiKam and showFoto)Lars Poulsen
 | |   | +- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 (and digiKam and showFoto)Carlos E.R.
 | |   | +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 (and digiKam and showFoto)Lawrence D'Oliveiro
 | |   | |`- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 (and digiKam and showFoto)Lars Poulsen
 | |   | `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 (and digiKam and showFoto)-hh
 | |   +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Computer Nerd Kev
 | |   |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1D
 | |   | `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 | |   |  `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1D
 | |   |   +* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 | |   |   |+- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Computer Nerd Kev
 | |   |   |`* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1D
 | |   |   | `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 | |   |   |  `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Charlie Gibbs
 | |   |   |   +- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
 | |   |   |   +- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Andrzej Matuch
 | |   |   |   `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1D
 | |   |   `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Carlos E.R.
 | |   `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1-hh
 | `* Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Carlos E.R.
 `- Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1Chris Ahlstrom

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Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: CrudeSausage
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On 2025-01-13 07:16, RonB wrote:
> On 2025-01-12, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-01-12 02:54, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2025-01-11, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-01-11 04:10, RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-01-10, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> RonB wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apparently L.A. is burning because they quit making fire breaks on the hills
>>>>>>> overlooking the city because "they interfered" with the migration of some
>>>>>>> breed of mouse. And the water shortage is partly caused by the removal of
>>>>>>> dams in north California. (That and they sent their "extra" fire equipment
>>>>>>> to Ukraine.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Course, the fire chief is a lesbian whose main agenda is increasing
>>>>>> "diversity" in fire fighters. Sheesh.
>>>>>
>>>>> California was almost a "paradise" when my dad moved their in the early 50s.
>>>>> They've sure managed to screw that up in the following decades.
>>>>
>>>> Instead of beating the living Hell out of beatniks and variations of
>>>> Communists, they tolerated them. Once Berkeley was taken over, it was
>>>> downhill for the state.
>>>>
>>>> That said, I believe that there are a lot more conservatives in
>>>> California than the election results suggest. These people don't believe
>>>> in fair elections, and there is much reason to believe that there is
>>>> rampant fraud there enabling the Democrats to stay in power even when
>>>> the people want to get rid of them.
>>>
>>> The main thing I'm worried about now is that another big batch of
>>> Californians will move to Idaho. Which would be (mostly) okay (except they
>>> drive the price of property way up) if they didn't try to export the same
>>> politics that turned California into a shithole into Idaho.
>>
>> I think that Californians feel the need to live in areas with lots of
>> population, so Idaho is not likely to be a destination. Texas maybe, but
>> not farm central.
>
> We've gotten a LOT of Californians here. The city I live in (just west of
> Boise) was, for a couple years, the fastest growing city in the country.
> Mostly because of the influx Californians (plus some from Seattle and
> Portland). Mostly they want to get out of the Woke shitholes they were
> living in. The biggest downside is that they've driven the price of housing
> way up. But I can't blame them for wanting to get out of California.

I don't blame Californians for wanting to escape the state's woke
ideology, but I _would_ blame them for wanting to vote in the same kind
of people in Idaho.

--
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

Subject: Re: What change of position? YA unsubstantiated claim from luzer-v
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On 2025-01-13 07:50, RonB wrote:
> On 2025-01-12, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> -highhorse wrote:
>>
>>> (idiocy and lies snipped)
>>
>> You see the garbage that -highhorse will post, to defend the
>> indefensible, folks? He's been proven to be wrong, and he's been
>> caught lying to attack, so this is what we get.
>>
>> He won't concede that government pressure led to censorship on social
>> media sites, and that that's wrong.
>>
>> Meainwhile, I'm allegedly a "hypocrite" because I've supposedly
>> "censored" people on USENET.
>>
>> Err... No I haven't. I don't have that power. Choosing to not read
>> or quote something is not censoring it. Obviously.
>>
>> What a ridiculous liar, -highhorse is. What a snit.
>>
>> As for the subject about a "change of position" and "YA
>> unsubstantiated claim", -highhorse is attacking with pure made-up
>> snittery. He wants to blow-up the argument into an unwieldy mess to
>> distract from the simple points. This is his usual MO.
>>
>> It's not "unsubstantiated" that -highhorse defended censorship because
>> it was private companies doing it, even though, we now know, they were
>> doing it at the behest of the government.
>>
>> Every decent, honest American would admit that what happened was
>> wrong. But -highhorse will not admit that happened was wrong.
>>
>> It's also not "unsubstantiated" that -highhorse is a ridiculous liar,
>> for claiming that cola advocates have "censored" anyone and are thus
>> "hypocrites".
>>
>> "You're a hypocrite because you complain about tyrants on the left
>> suppressing our freedoms, but you do it yourself!"
>>
>> Err... NO, WE DO NOT, YOU RIDICULOUS, LYING ASSHOLE.
>>
>> -highhorse's snittish response will be deleted, unread.
>
> It's easier to NOT deal with -highhorse's crap. I just killfile him.

The guy will turn just about anything into an endless argument with
links here and there. It's almost as if he is Snit reborn.

--
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

Subject: Re: What change of position? YA unsubstantiated claim from luzer-v
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CrudeSausage wrote:

>>> It's not "unsubstantiated" that -highhorse defended censorship because
>>> it was private companies doing it, even though, we now know, they were
>>> doing it at the behest of the government.
>>>
>>> Every decent, honest American would admit that what happened was
>>> wrong. But -highhorse will not admit that what happened was wrong.
>>>
>>> It's also not "unsubstantiated" that -highhorse is a ridiculous liar,
>>> for claiming that cola advocates have "censored" anyone and are thus
>>> "hypocrites".
>>>
>>> "You're a hypocrite because you complain about tyrants on the left
>>> suppressing our freedoms, but you do it yourself!"
>>>
>>> Err... NO, WE DO NOT, YOU RIDICULOUS, LYING ASSHOLE.
>>>
>>> -highhorse's snittish response will be deleted, unread.
>>
>> It's easier to NOT deal with -highhorse's crap. I just killfile him.
>
>The guy will turn just about anything into an endless argument with
>links here and there. It's almost as if he is Snit reborn.

He's just an asshole who gets-off on attacking people.

Against decent, reasonable (and smarter) people, all he can do is make
shit up. He makes assertions that are clearly false, and denies
things that are clearly true. That's what he does. Lie and deny.

--
"Once again, the default assumption of Linux advocacy is that all of
their woes can only be due to how evil Microsoft is, and no other
possibility." - lying asshole "-hh", lying shamelessly

Subject: Re: What change of position? YA unsubstantiated claim from luzer-v
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On 2025-01-13 11:48, chrisv wrote:
> CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>>>> It's not "unsubstantiated" that -highhorse defended censorship because
>>>> it was private companies doing it, even though, we now know, they were
>>>> doing it at the behest of the government.
>>>>
>>>> Every decent, honest American would admit that what happened was
>>>> wrong. But -highhorse will not admit that what happened was wrong.
>>>>
>>>> It's also not "unsubstantiated" that -highhorse is a ridiculous liar,
>>>> for claiming that cola advocates have "censored" anyone and are thus
>>>> "hypocrites".
>>>>
>>>> "You're a hypocrite because you complain about tyrants on the left
>>>> suppressing our freedoms, but you do it yourself!"
>>>>
>>>> Err... NO, WE DO NOT, YOU RIDICULOUS, LYING ASSHOLE.
>>>>
>>>> -highhorse's snittish response will be deleted, unread.
>>>
>>> It's easier to NOT deal with -highhorse's crap. I just killfile him.
>>
>> The guy will turn just about anything into an endless argument with
>> links here and there. It's almost as if he is Snit reborn.
>
> He's just an asshole who gets-off on attacking people.
>
> Against decent, reasonable (and smarter) people, all he can do is make
> shit up. He makes assertions that are clearly false, and denies
> things that are clearly true. That's what he does. Lie and deny.

I don't care if he's lying or not: his way of having a conversation is
unwelcome. Everything has to be a passionate debate and he feels free to
change topics and bring irrelevant things up to "win." It's exhausting
and I'm surprised that anyone puts up with it, especially since _none_
of what he talks about is ever about Linux.

--
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

Subject: Re: What change of position? YA unsubstantiated claim from luzer-v
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On 1/13/25 12:11 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2025-01-13 11:48, chrisv wrote:
>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>>>> It's not "unsubstantiated" that -highhorse defended censorship because
>>>>> it was private companies doing it, even though, we now know, they were
>>>>> doing it at the behest of the government.
>>>>>
>>>>> Every decent, honest American would admit that what happened was
>>>>> wrong.  But -highhorse will not admit that what happened was wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's also not "unsubstantiated" that -highhorse is a ridiculous liar,
>>>>> for claiming that cola advocates have "censored" anyone and are thus
>>>>> "hypocrites".
>>>>>
>>>>> "You're a hypocrite because you complain about tyrants on the left
>>>>> suppressing our freedoms, but you do it yourself!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Err...  NO, WE DO NOT, YOU RIDICULOUS, LYING ASSHOLE.
>>>>>
>>>>> -highhorse's snittish response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>
>>>> It's easier to NOT deal with -highhorse's crap. I just killfile him.
>>>
>>> The guy will turn just about anything into an endless argument with
>>> links here and there. It's almost as if he is Snit reborn.
>>
>> He's just an asshole who gets-off on attacking people.
>>
>> Against decent, reasonable (and smarter) people, all he can do is make
>> shit up.  He makes assertions that are clearly false, and denies
>> things that are clearly true.  That's what he does.  Lie and deny.
>
> I don't care if he's lying or not: his way of having a conversation is
> unwelcome. Everything has to be a passionate debate and he feels free to
> change topics and bring irrelevant things up to "win." It's exhausting
> and I'm surprised that anyone puts up with it, especially since _none_
> of what he talks about is ever about Linux.
>

Seems that you have a very selective reading filter, for I've already
mentioned this month that I chose a hardware upgrade on one of my Linux
boxes, and also reported that I installed it. Perhaps if it had taken a
month with constant updates like Feeb does, you would have noticed.

FYI, I'd also mentioned that I had not started to re-benchmark it to see
if the upgrade is having its desired outcome, but I did start one of
those tests yesterday.

-hh

-hh

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 12:18:01 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I don't know who James Wesley Rawles is or what "American Redoubt"
> refers to.
> And, right now, I'm too lazy to look either up.

https://survivalblog.com/

Rawles' 'Patriots: A Novel of Survival in the Coming Collapse' has been
around in one form or the other for about 25 years. It had a burst of
popularity around 2005. Much of it is set in Idaho and Rawles has
advocated the area.

The novel wasn't bad although it has an underlying Christian theme. If I
were back in Virginia, I think it was, and had everybody and their brother
looking for me I wouldn't have sought out a church to attend a services
before getting the hell out of the area.

He's cagey about where he actually lives but the implication is northern
Idaho. I haven't read the blog in years but I don't think he ever had a
real estate scheme like Bo Gritz' Almost Heaven near Kamiah.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 12:21:11 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I'll have to give it a shot. I don't have cable, so everything I watch
> is streaming — I only recently found out there was a show called Blue
> Bloods.

I assume it's available streaming. I watched it on NetFlix DVDs. I've
found some of the shows available on DVDs from NetFlix aren't on NetFlix
or Prime streaming, It's annoying since I liked 'Midsomer Murders' but not
enough to subscribe to BritBox. The Yellowstone spinoffs were the same. I
think I saw a few episodes of 1923 on DVD but would have to get Paramount+
to see the rest.

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On 1/10/25 9:18 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2025-01-10 04:12, RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-01-10, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 15:32:01 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>>      Social conceptions and groupings of races have varied over time,
>>>>      often involving folk taxonomies that define essential types of
>>>>      individuals based on perceived traits. Modern scientists consider
>>>>      such biological essentialism obsolete, and generally discourage
>>>>      racial explanations for collective differentiation in both
>>>> physical
>>>>      and behavioral traits.
>>>
>>>
>>> To be perfectly clear -- fuck modern scientists and modernity in
>>> general.
>>
>> Science and scientists need to be put in quotes. Almost all so-called
>> "science" these days is pure politics.
>>
>> Apparently L.A. is burning because they quit making fire breaks on the
>> hills
>> overlooking the city because "they interfered" with the migration of some
>> breed of mouse. And the water shortage is partly caused by the removal of
>> dams in north California. (That and they sent their "extra" fire
>> equipment
>> to Ukraine.)
>
> I believe your claim about Los Angeles sealing its fate to save some
> breed of mouse.

You shouldn't.

> As we know, part of why California is so dry has to do
> with the fact that during the Obama period, water was diverted away from
> its destination in California into the Pacific Ocean to save some
> parasitic species of fish. This is actually well known, but one of my
> local "independent" news agencies claimed that Trump was lying when he
> brought that up (I have since decided to stop giving that news agency a
> chance).
>

Because the lawsuit that CA won on that was resolved in a different
fashion: the need was met without trampling the environment as Trump
wanted to do.

Plus that topic had no role anyway, because of physics: one can only
push/suck a finite amount of water through a pipe of a given size.

So once demand exceeds this physics limit, water pressure drops to ~zero
--> even when the reservoir on the hilltop is still full(!) <--
Water is an incompressible; this is textbook Fluid Dymamics 101.

And before trying to claim that cities should have infinitely large
pipes everywhere, doing so isn't free. Which is why no city in the
world has the degree of municipal infrastructure overbuild that would've
been needed. Its the same reason why no one here has a full blow 10GBe
Ethernet network in their home, let alone a 25GBe on: TANSTAAFL.

<https://x.com/Factschaser/status/1878998476299854249>

-hh

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On 2025-01-13, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-01-13 07:16, RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-01-12, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-01-12 02:54, RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2025-01-11, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-01-11 04:10, RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-01-10, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apparently L.A. is burning because they quit making fire breaks on the hills
>>>>>>>> overlooking the city because "they interfered" with the migration of some
>>>>>>>> breed of mouse. And the water shortage is partly caused by the removal of
>>>>>>>> dams in north California. (That and they sent their "extra" fire equipment
>>>>>>>> to Ukraine.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Course, the fire chief is a lesbian whose main agenda is increasing
>>>>>>> "diversity" in fire fighters. Sheesh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> California was almost a "paradise" when my dad moved their in the early 50s.
>>>>>> They've sure managed to screw that up in the following decades.
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead of beating the living Hell out of beatniks and variations of
>>>>> Communists, they tolerated them. Once Berkeley was taken over, it was
>>>>> downhill for the state.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, I believe that there are a lot more conservatives in
>>>>> California than the election results suggest. These people don't believe
>>>>> in fair elections, and there is much reason to believe that there is
>>>>> rampant fraud there enabling the Democrats to stay in power even when
>>>>> the people want to get rid of them.
>>>>
>>>> The main thing I'm worried about now is that another big batch of
>>>> Californians will move to Idaho. Which would be (mostly) okay (except they
>>>> drive the price of property way up) if they didn't try to export the same
>>>> politics that turned California into a shithole into Idaho.
>>>
>>> I think that Californians feel the need to live in areas with lots of
>>> population, so Idaho is not likely to be a destination. Texas maybe, but
>>> not farm central.
>>
>> We've gotten a LOT of Californians here. The city I live in (just west of
>> Boise) was, for a couple years, the fastest growing city in the country.
>> Mostly because of the influx Californians (plus some from Seattle and
>> Portland). Mostly they want to get out of the Woke shitholes they were
>> living in. The biggest downside is that they've driven the price of housing
>> way up. But I can't blame them for wanting to get out of California.
>
> I don't blame Californians for wanting to escape the state's woke
> ideology, but I _would_ blame them for wanting to vote in the same kind
> of people in Idaho.

So far they're not doing that — or at least they're not in the majority.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On 2025-01-13, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 12:18:01 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> I don't know who James Wesley Rawles is or what "American Redoubt"
>> refers to.
>> And, right now, I'm too lazy to look either up.
>
> https://survivalblog.com/
>
> Rawles' 'Patriots: A Novel of Survival in the Coming Collapse' has been
> around in one form or the other for about 25 years. It had a burst of
> popularity around 2005. Much of it is set in Idaho and Rawles has
> advocated the area.
>
> The novel wasn't bad although it has an underlying Christian theme. If I
> were back in Virginia, I think it was, and had everybody and their brother
> looking for me I wouldn't have sought out a church to attend a services
> before getting the hell out of the area.
>
> He's cagey about where he actually lives but the implication is northern
> Idaho. I haven't read the blog in years but I don't think he ever had a
> real estate scheme like Bo Gritz' Almost Heaven near Kamiah.

Okay, thanks for the information.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: RonB
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On 2025-01-13, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 12:21:11 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> I'll have to give it a shot. I don't have cable, so everything I watch
>> is streaming — I only recently found out there was a show called Blue
>> Bloods.
>
> I assume it's available streaming. I watched it on NetFlix DVDs. I've
> found some of the shows available on DVDs from NetFlix aren't on NetFlix
> or Prime streaming, It's annoying since I liked 'Midsomer Murders' but not
> enough to subscribe to BritBox. The Yellowstone spinoffs were the same. I
> think I saw a few episodes of 1923 on DVD but would have to get Paramount+
> to see the rest.

It looks like the first seven seasons of Blue Bloods is streaming on Pluto
TV. And there's 22 seasons of Midsomer Murders there as well. Pluto TV has
ads but you click past them. It looks like Rokuchannel has 24 seasons of
Midsomer Murders and, with uBlock Origin, there are no ads when watching
Rokuchannel in Firefox.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On 2025-01-14 04:29, RonB wrote:
> On 2025-01-13, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-01-13 07:16, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2025-01-12, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-01-12 02:54, RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-01-11, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-01-11 04:10, RonB wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-01-10, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apparently L.A. is burning because they quit making fire breaks on the hills
>>>>>>>>> overlooking the city because "they interfered" with the migration of some
>>>>>>>>> breed of mouse. And the water shortage is partly caused by the removal of
>>>>>>>>> dams in north California. (That and they sent their "extra" fire equipment
>>>>>>>>> to Ukraine.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Course, the fire chief is a lesbian whose main agenda is increasing
>>>>>>>> "diversity" in fire fighters. Sheesh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> California was almost a "paradise" when my dad moved their in the early 50s.
>>>>>>> They've sure managed to screw that up in the following decades.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead of beating the living Hell out of beatniks and variations of
>>>>>> Communists, they tolerated them. Once Berkeley was taken over, it was
>>>>>> downhill for the state.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, I believe that there are a lot more conservatives in
>>>>>> California than the election results suggest. These people don't believe
>>>>>> in fair elections, and there is much reason to believe that there is
>>>>>> rampant fraud there enabling the Democrats to stay in power even when
>>>>>> the people want to get rid of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> The main thing I'm worried about now is that another big batch of
>>>>> Californians will move to Idaho. Which would be (mostly) okay (except they
>>>>> drive the price of property way up) if they didn't try to export the same
>>>>> politics that turned California into a shithole into Idaho.
>>>>
>>>> I think that Californians feel the need to live in areas with lots of
>>>> population, so Idaho is not likely to be a destination. Texas maybe, but
>>>> not farm central.
>>>
>>> We've gotten a LOT of Californians here. The city I live in (just west of
>>> Boise) was, for a couple years, the fastest growing city in the country.
>>> Mostly because of the influx Californians (plus some from Seattle and
>>> Portland). Mostly they want to get out of the Woke shitholes they were
>>> living in. The biggest downside is that they've driven the price of housing
>>> way up. But I can't blame them for wanting to get out of California.
>>
>> I don't blame Californians for wanting to escape the state's woke
>> ideology, but I _would_ blame them for wanting to vote in the same kind
>> of people in Idaho.
>
> So far they're not doing that — or at least they're not in the majority.

These people are like hyenas though, so I wouldn't be surprised that
"progressive" "liberal" "social democrats" will move to Idaho
specifically to try to turn the tide over to the Democrats, similarly to
how 12,000 Antifa assholes travelled to wherever there was an AfD
meeting in Germany to stop people from supporting the party.

By the way, I finally got rid of Fedora and migrated over to Pop!_OS. I
like Fedora, but they have way too much trouble with the NVIDIA driver
for it to be viable. I considered Nobara, but I have to admit that I can
at least be assured that I won't have trouble with the proprietary
driver in System76's operating system.

--
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
From: RonB
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On 2025-01-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-01-14 04:29, RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-01-13, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-01-13 07:16, RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2025-01-12, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-01-12 02:54, RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-01-11, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-01-11 04:10, RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-01-10, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apparently L.A. is burning because they quit making fire breaks on the hills
>>>>>>>>>> overlooking the city because "they interfered" with the migration of some
>>>>>>>>>> breed of mouse. And the water shortage is partly caused by the removal of
>>>>>>>>>> dams in north California. (That and they sent their "extra" fire equipment
>>>>>>>>>> to Ukraine.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'Course, the fire chief is a lesbian whose main agenda is increasing
>>>>>>>>> "diversity" in fire fighters. Sheesh.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> California was almost a "paradise" when my dad moved their in the early 50s.
>>>>>>>> They've sure managed to screw that up in the following decades.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Instead of beating the living Hell out of beatniks and variations of
>>>>>>> Communists, they tolerated them. Once Berkeley was taken over, it was
>>>>>>> downhill for the state.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That said, I believe that there are a lot more conservatives in
>>>>>>> California than the election results suggest. These people don't believe
>>>>>>> in fair elections, and there is much reason to believe that there is
>>>>>>> rampant fraud there enabling the Democrats to stay in power even when
>>>>>>> the people want to get rid of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The main thing I'm worried about now is that another big batch of
>>>>>> Californians will move to Idaho. Which would be (mostly) okay (except they
>>>>>> drive the price of property way up) if they didn't try to export the same
>>>>>> politics that turned California into a shithole into Idaho.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that Californians feel the need to live in areas with lots of
>>>>> population, so Idaho is not likely to be a destination. Texas maybe, but
>>>>> not farm central.
>>>>
>>>> We've gotten a LOT of Californians here. The city I live in (just west of
>>>> Boise) was, for a couple years, the fastest growing city in the country.
>>>> Mostly because of the influx Californians (plus some from Seattle and
>>>> Portland). Mostly they want to get out of the Woke shitholes they were
>>>> living in. The biggest downside is that they've driven the price of housing
>>>> way up. But I can't blame them for wanting to get out of California.
>>>
>>> I don't blame Californians for wanting to escape the state's woke
>>> ideology, but I _would_ blame them for wanting to vote in the same kind
>>> of people in Idaho.
>>
>> So far they're not doing that — or at least they're not in the majority.
>
> These people are like hyenas though, so I wouldn't be surprised that
> "progressive" "liberal" "social democrats" will move to Idaho
> specifically to try to turn the tide over to the Democrats, similarly to
> how 12,000 Antifa assholes travelled to wherever there was an AfD
> meeting in Germany to stop people from supporting the party.

It's going to be hard for them to overcome the Morman base in Idaho. The
Mormans pretty much vote in a block and they vote Republican.

> By the way, I finally got rid of Fedora and migrated over to Pop!_OS. I
> like Fedora, but they have way too much trouble with the NVIDIA driver
> for it to be viable. I considered Nobara, but I have to admit that I can
> at least be assured that I won't have trouble with the proprietary
> driver in System76's operating system.

Good luck. I gave Pop!_OS a trial run once. For some reason (I can't
remember exactly why) I didn't like it. But what I want in a computer is not
the same as what you want in one. I've heard good things from some people
about Pop!_OS, but I hate the stupid way they spell the name with an
exclamation point and an underscore. Why not just PopOS?

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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On 1/15/25 5:48 AM, RonB wrote:
> On 2025-01-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-01-14 04:29, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2025-01-13, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-01-13 07:16, RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-01-12, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-01-12 02:54, RonB wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-01-11, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-01-11 04:10, RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2025-01-10, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently L.A. is burning because they quit making fire breaks on the hills
>>>>>>>>>>> overlooking the city because "they interfered" with the migration of some
>>>>>>>>>>> breed of mouse. And the water shortage is partly caused by the removal of
>>>>>>>>>>> dams in north California. (That and they sent their "extra" fire equipment
>>>>>>>>>>> to Ukraine.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'Course, the fire chief is a lesbian whose main agenda is increasing
>>>>>>>>>> "diversity" in fire fighters. Sheesh.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> California was almost a "paradise" when my dad moved their in the early 50s.
>>>>>>>>> They've sure managed to screw that up in the following decades.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Instead of beating the living Hell out of beatniks and variations of
>>>>>>>> Communists, they tolerated them. Once Berkeley was taken over, it was
>>>>>>>> downhill for the state.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That said, I believe that there are a lot more conservatives in
>>>>>>>> California than the election results suggest. These people don't believe
>>>>>>>> in fair elections, and there is much reason to believe that there is
>>>>>>>> rampant fraud there enabling the Democrats to stay in power even when
>>>>>>>> the people want to get rid of them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The main thing I'm worried about now is that another big batch of
>>>>>>> Californians will move to Idaho. Which would be (mostly) okay (except they
>>>>>>> drive the price of property way up) if they didn't try to export the same
>>>>>>> politics that turned California into a shithole into Idaho.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that Californians feel the need to live in areas with lots of
>>>>>> population, so Idaho is not likely to be a destination. Texas maybe, but
>>>>>> not farm central.
>>>>>
>>>>> We've gotten a LOT of Californians here. The city I live in (just west of
>>>>> Boise) was, for a couple years, the fastest growing city in the country.
>>>>> Mostly because of the influx Californians (plus some from Seattle and
>>>>> Portland). Mostly they want to get out of the Woke shitholes they were
>>>>> living in. The biggest downside is that they've driven the price of housing
>>>>> way up. But I can't blame them for wanting to get out of California.
>>>>
>>>> I don't blame Californians for wanting to escape the state's woke
>>>> ideology, but I _would_ blame them for wanting to vote in the same kind
>>>> of people in Idaho.
>>>
>>> So far they're not doing that — or at least they're not in the majority.
>>
>> These people are like hyenas though, so I wouldn't be surprised that
>> "progressive" "liberal" "social democrats" will move to Idaho
>> specifically to try to turn the tide over to the Democrats, similarly to
>> how 12,000 Antifa assholes travelled to wherever there was an AfD
>> meeting in Germany to stop people from supporting the party.
>
> It's going to be hard for them to overcome the Morman base in Idaho. The
> Mormans pretty much vote in a block and they vote Republican.

I'm sure that they will find a way to convince them that Republicans,
particularly Christian ones, are a menace to Mormonism. They've already
convinced negroes and faggots are conservatism is a threat to them even
though we tend to leave them alone in general. Heck, we usually befriend
them when they emerge as unicorns and prove to be useful to society.

>> By the way, I finally got rid of Fedora and migrated over to Pop!_OS. I
>> like Fedora, but they have way too much trouble with the NVIDIA driver
>> for it to be viable. I considered Nobara, but I have to admit that I can
>> at least be assured that I won't have trouble with the proprietary
>> driver in System76's operating system.
>
> Good luck. I gave Pop!_OS a trial run once. For some reason (I can't
> remember exactly why) I didn't like it. But what I want in a computer is not
> the same as what you want in one. I've heard good things from some people
> about Pop!_OS, but I hate the stupid way they spell the name with an
> exclamation point and an underscore. Why not just PopOS?

It didn't last long. It supports NVIDIA very well but I can't stand
GNOME anymore (I've fallen in love with KDE), and I discovered that for
no reason whatsoever, Pop!_OS freezes when I open an application if the
operating system has been on for more than ten minutes or so. Like every
other Ubuntu-based distribution I've tried, it also eventually freezes
requiring me to restore functionality through a CTRL-ALT-F3. I don't
know why Ubuntu-based is so bad, but I've lost the patience to figure it
out. Fedora's base is already better, and I'm shocked at how stellar
Arch's (through Manjaro) base is.

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