On 1/8/2025 1:13 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 22:11:07 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 1/5/2025 9:18 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 17:20:53 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> SUV : Infiniti QX80 car : Porsche Panamera
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qev-i9-VKlY
>>
>> You gotta love that voice!
>
> I'm a little vague on dates in that era but I saw her in a roadhouse on
> the Albany-Schenectady road. It must have been fairly early in her career
> since the stage was only a raised platform about 4' high, with people
> walking up to give her pints of Southern Comfort.

Awesome. I saw Iggy Pop in college.

>>> I'd go for a Cayman. The base flat four is around $75k. I came close to
>>> a Porsche once. I went in to buy a 914, didn't like it, and bought an
>>> Audi instead.
>>
>> I'd like the Cayman for short local trips on winding roads, but it's way
>> too small for an out-of-state trip.
>
> That is a problem. Depending on the season I tend to have camping gear,
> snowshoes, bows, axes, coveralls, trekking poles, a bicycle, and sometimes
> even an Advanced Elements inflatable kayay stuffed in the back of the
> Yaris.

At 75, you're still kicking ass. Knee or hip problems? I'm just 62 but
I think I'm getting arthritis in my right hip.

>>> It was summed up years later when I went in to kick the tires on the
>>> Pontiac Fiero. The salesman who had sold me a Firebird a couple of
>>> years earlier yelled across the showroom floor "They don't make that in
>>> your size".
>>
>> Fiero was for hobbit-sized people.
>
> I kept the Firebird. That's a case in point. I had a '73 Mustang and when
> a friend and I went grocery shopping and came out with a groaning cart, I
> popped the trunk. She looked at it and said "I don't think this is the
> sort of car a guy interested in a woman with kids drives." She was right.
> After '73 Ford came out with the Mustang II kiddie car. I switched to
> Camaros. Comfortable, but the same ridiculous trunk. Then in '82 my
> fondest dreams came true, the Camaro/Firebird line became hatchbacks. The
> Firebird had retractible headlights aand I thought it was better looking.

Camaros were always great-looking. Wikipedia says Chevy shut down
production in late 2023.

On 1/8/25 5:16 AM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, -hh wrote:
>
>> On 1/7/25 5:35 PM, chrisv wrote:
>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> Adios. You've been down this road before.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOAUsvVhgsU
>>>
>>> Here's an excellant documentary on climate change.  An hour and 20
>>> minutes of quality information.
>>
>> Where its so-called "quality" is that its already been debunked:
>>
>> <https://skepticalscience.com/climate-the-movie-a-hot-mess-of-cold-
>> myths.html>
>>
>>
>>> I'd bet money that Chris A won't watch it.
>>
>> Why waste 80 minutes watching something when a 3 minute Google search
>> affords one the salient insight on its lack of veracity?
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
> Actually, that is the best proof you can find that the movie is on to
> something. If it would be mainstream, no one would bother writing a
> line, or if it would be made by the climate royalty, it would be hyped
> by CNN & Co.
>
> Thank you, now I will definitely watch it! =)

So let us know then when you've watched it, and have prepared a written
response to each of the points listed in the video vs URL above which
determines what the objective truth is between the two. Make sure to
cite reputable 3rd party sources in your footnotes & bibliography.

For example,

<https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GgsdO3sXIAA_g0C?format=jpg&name=large>

-hh

On 08/01/2025 13:59, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Nah, we're not thinking in terms of race with that accusation, we're thinking
> in terms of*bigotry* as expressed by denigration of a whole group of people
> based on race.

I'll leave that to the coloured folks who see themselves as distinct and
oppressed by 'the white folks'

'White privilege' is racist. 'Black lives matter' is racist. As are the
black police association and the black lawyer association. And
fundamental Islam.

The list is endless.

--
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

On 1/8/25 9:32 AM, DFS wrote:
> On 1/8/2025 1:13 AM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 22:11:07 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/5/2025 9:18 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 17:20:53 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> SUV   : Infiniti QX80 car   : Porsche Panamera
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qev-i9-VKlY
>>>
>>> You gotta love that voice!
>>
>> I'm a little vague on dates in that era but I saw her in a roadhouse on
>> the Albany-Schenectady road. It must have been fairly early in her career
>> since the stage was only a raised platform about 4' high, with people
>> walking up to give her pints of Southern Comfort.
>
> Awesome.  I saw Iggy Pop in college.
>
>
>>>> I'd go for a Cayman. The base flat four is around $75k. I came close to
>>>> a Porsche once. I went in to buy a 914, didn't like it, and bought an
>>>> Audi instead.
>>>
>>> I'd like the Cayman for short local trips on winding roads, but it's way
>>> too small for an out-of-state trip.
>>
>> That is a problem. Depending on the season I tend to have camping gear,
>> snowshoes, bows, axes, coveralls, trekking poles, a bicycle, and
>> sometimes even an Advanced Elements inflatable kayay stuffed in the
>> back of the Yaris.
>
> At 75, you're still kicking ass.  Knee or hip problems?  I'm just 62 but
> I think I'm getting arthritis in my right hip.

Makes me wonder about what the median age is on this newsgroup.
I suspect that very few (if any) are still under age 45, if not 50

> Camaros were always great-looking.  Wikipedia says Chevy shut down
> production in late 2023.

Unfortunately, the era of SUVs/Light Trucks has been upon us due to how
EPA regulations were used to try to protect the domestic manufacturers
from foreign automotive competitors: cars like the Camaro had much lower
profit margins so were thus left to wither & die on the altar of
protectionist capitalism.

-hh

The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On 08/01/2025 13:59, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Nah, we're not thinking in terms of race with that accusation, we're thinking
>> in terms of*bigotry* as expressed by denigration of a whole group of people
>> based on race.
>
> I'll leave that to the coloured folks who see themselves as distinct and
> oppressed by 'the white folks'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzlLi5jX_C4

Sam Cooke [What a] Wonderful World

A more complete view:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56u6g0POvo0

Devo - "Beautiful World"

> 'White privilege' is racist. 'Black lives matter' is racist. As are the
> black police association and the black lawyer association. And
> fundamental Islam.
>
> The list is endless.

You're racist for even talking about it! :-D

"Coloured folks?"

--
"What happened to the crewman?"
"The M-5 computer needed a new power source, the crewman merely got in
the way."
-- Kirk and Dr. Richard Daystrom, "The Ultimate Computer", stardate 4731.3.

-hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On 1/8/25 9:32 AM, DFS wrote:
>> On 1/8/2025 1:13 AM, rbowman wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> At 75, you're still kicking ass.  Knee or hip problems?  I'm just 62 but
>> I think I'm getting arthritis in my right hip.
>
> Makes me wonder about what the median age is on this newsgroup.
> I suspect that very few (if any) are still under age 45, if not 50

67 here. Still quite childish, though :-)

--
On this morning in August when I was 13, my mother sent us out pick
tomatoes. Back in April I'd have killed for a fresh tomato, but in August
they are no more rare or wonderful than rocks. So I picked up one and threw
it at a crab apple tree, where it made a good *splat*, and then threw a tomato
at my brother. He whipped one back at me. We ducked down by the vines,
heaving tomatoes at each other. My sister, who was a good person, said,
"You're going to get it." She bent over and kept on picking.
What a target! She was 17, a girl with big hips, and bending over,
she looked like the side of a barn.
I picked up a tomato so big it sat on the ground. It looked like it
had sat there a week. The underside was brown, small white worms lived in it,
and it was very juicy. I stood up and took aim, and went into the windup,
when my mother at the kitchen window called my name in a sharp voice. I had
to decide quickly. I decided.
A rotten Big Boy hitting the target is a memorable sound, like a fat
man doing a belly-flop. With a whoop and a yell the tomatoee came after
faster than I knew she could run, and grabbed my shirt and was about to brain
me when Mother called her name in a sharp voice. And my sister, who was a
good person, obeyed and let go -- and burst into tears. I guess she knew that
the pleasure of obedience is pretty thin compared with the pleasure of hearing
a rotten tomato hit someone in the rear end.
-- Garrison Keillor, "Lake Wobegon Days"

On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 09:32:45 -0500, DFS wrote:

> At 75, you're still kicking ass. Knee or hip problems? I'm just 62 but
> I think I'm getting arthritis in my right hip.

No real problems. I've got a gamma nail in my right femur from a fall on
ice three years ago that reminds me it's there mostly at night but isn't a
problem hiking. My right shoulder acts up. I broke some stuff when I was a
kid, then broke my collar bone later in life. It's always been a problem
and isn't improving with old age.

I've never liked running and only did it under duress. My knees thank me
for that.

On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 08:59:22 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Nah, we're not thinking in terms of race with that accusation, we're
> thinking in terms of *bigotry* as expressed by denigration of a whole
> group of people based on race.

But race doesn't exist. Or does it? The liberals are fine with giving a
group of people special privileges based on race.

On 2025-01-08 06:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/01/2025 21:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> He's also done some racist posts;
>
> So what?
> So have you.

Pointing out reality is racist to effeminate clowns like Chris.

--
CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 11:27:32 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> You're racist for even talking about it! :-D
>
> "Coloured folks?"

Who came up with BIPOC? Or NAACP for that matter? By the time I was a kid
'colored' was out and 'negro' was in. Now we're back to 'people of color'?
That means they're colored, right?

On 1/8/2025 10:56 AM, -hh wrote:

> Makes me wonder about what the median age is on this newsgroup.
> I suspect that very few (if any) are still under age 45, if not 50

Poster Age Source
============ ========= =============
-hh mid 60s? guess
Ahlstrom 67 online
Carpentier 50s? guess
D'Oliveiro 60s? posts about old tech
DFS 62 birth certificate
Feeb 43 online
Joel late 40s Joel
PhysFitFreak 70s online
Relf 64 Relf
RonB 70s RonB
Slimer mid 40s Slimer
candycane 30s? guess
rbowman 75 rbowman
shitv late 50s? his posts
vallor 58 online

approx
median 62
avg 59

rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 08:59:22 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Nah, we're not thinking in terms of race with that accusation, we're
>> thinking in terms of *bigotry* as expressed by denigration of a whole
>> group of people based on race.
>
> But race doesn't exist. Or does it? The liberals are fine with giving a
> group of people special privileges based on race.

Race isn't a nature concept, its obviously a sociological and political
construct, and fluid to some extent.

Also, you cannot really speak for "liberals". That's also, in my opinion,
a fluid sociological and political construct, same as "conservative". A bit too
fuzzy for well-reasoned arguments. The same individual can exhibit traits of
both.

--
There was once a programmer who worked upon microprocessors. "Look at
how well off I am here," he said to a mainframe programmer who came to visit,
"I have my own operating system and file storage device. I do not have to
share my resources with anyone. The software is self-consistent and
easy-to-use. Why do you not quit your present job and join me here?"
The mainframe programmer then began to describe his system to his
friend, saying: "The mainframe sits like an ancient sage meditating in the
midst of the data center. Its disk drives lie end-to-end like a great ocean
of machinery. The software is a multi-faceted as a diamond and as convoluted
as a primeval jungle. The programs, each unique, move through the system
like a swift-flowing river. That is why I am happy where I am."
The microcomputer programmer, upon hearing this, fell silent. But the
two programmers remained friends until the end of their days.
-- Geoffrey James, "The Tao of Programming"

rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 11:27:32 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> You're racist for even talking about it! :-D
>>
>> "Coloured folks?"
>
> Who came up with BIPOC? Or NAACP for that matter? By the time I was a kid
> 'colored' was out and 'negro' was in. Now we're back to 'people of color'?
> That means they're colored, right?

Why don't you walk up to a "colored man" and call them that? A good test!

--
The sheep died in the wool.

On 08/01/2025 16:27, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> On 08/01/2025 13:59, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> Nah, we're not thinking in terms of race with that accusation, we're thinking
>>> in terms of*bigotry* as expressed by denigration of a whole group of people
>>> based on race.
>>
>> I'll leave that to the coloured folks who see themselves as distinct and
>> oppressed by 'the white folks'
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzlLi5jX_C4
>
> Sam Cooke [What a] Wonderful World
>
> A more complete view:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56u6g0POvo0
>
> Devo - "Beautiful World"
>
>> 'White privilege' is racist. 'Black lives matter' is racist. As are the
>> black police association and the black lawyer association. And
>> fundamental Islam.
>>
>> The list is endless.
>
> You're racist for even talking about it! :-D
>
> "Coloured folks?"
>
yep. in that instance i am.

But I didnt start the conversation. If you want to see the world in
racial terms ,I would merely point out that the vast majority of
racists are in fact 'non white'

--
"What do you think about Gay Marriage?"
"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."

On 08/01/2025 17:04, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 11:27:32 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> You're racist for even talking about it! :-D
>>
>> "Coloured folks?"
>
> Who came up with BIPOC? Or NAACP for that matter? By the time I was a kid
> 'colored' was out and 'negro' was in. Now we're back to 'people of color'?
> That means they're colored, right?

I haven't a clue what we are back to frankly. Normally I don't even
really notice unless someone rams it down my throat.

--
"What do you think about Gay Marriage?"
"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."

On 08/01/2025 18:05, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 11:27:32 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> You're racist for even talking about it! :-D
>>>
>>> "Coloured folks?"
>>
>> Who came up with BIPOC? Or NAACP for that matter? By the time I was a kid
>> 'colored' was out and 'negro' was in. Now we're back to 'people of color'?
>> That means they're colored, right?
>
> Why don't you walk up to a "colored man" and call them that? A good test!
>
I call them 'mate'

--
"I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently.
This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and
all women"

On 2025-01-08 08:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 08/01/2025 12:19, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>
>>> On 07/01/2025 21:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> He's also done some racist posts;
>>>
>>> So what?
>>> So have you.
>>
>> Show me such a post or stfu.
>>
> Anyone who says someone is racist, is a racist.
>
> That is someone who thinks in terms of race. And discriminates on the
> grounds of 'race'

The worst part is that people who are objectively faggots, also known as
"the left," are pushing the narrative that there is no race but the
human race. With that in mind, how the heck is it even possible to be a
racist? Since he is dim-witted in addition to taking it up the ass, he
believes in two contradictory truths simultaneously: everyone is a
racist but there is no such thing as race.

--
CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

On 2025-01-08 12:01, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 08:59:22 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Nah, we're not thinking in terms of race with that accusation, we're
>> thinking in terms of *bigotry* as expressed by denigration of a whole
>> group of people based on race.
>
> But race doesn't exist. Or does it? The liberals are fine with giving a
> group of people special privileges based on race.

They'll do whatever it takes to advance Communism, including calling
their ideology things as ridiculous as Social Democracy. I mean, they're
gone from being Marxists to Liberals to Progressive to the Woke, so they
don't mind changing the word once it becomes synonymous with extreme
stupidity.

--
CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>On 2025-01-08 08:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 08/01/2025 12:19, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>> On 07/01/2025 21:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>>>>> He's also done some racist posts;
>>>>
>>>> So what?
>>>> So have you.
>>>
>>> Show me such a post or stfu.
>>>
>> Anyone who says someone is racist, is a racist.
>>
>> That is someone who thinks in terms of race. And discriminates on the
>> grounds of 'race'
>
>The worst part is that people who are objectively faggots, also known as
>"the left," are pushing the narrative that there is no race but the
>human race. With that in mind, how the heck is it even possible to be a
>racist? Since he is dim-witted in addition to taking it up the ass, he
>believes in two contradictory truths simultaneously: everyone is a
>racist but there is no such thing as race.

What's so bad about taking it up the ass?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2025-01-08 12:13, DFS wrote:
> On 1/8/2025 10:56 AM, -hh wrote:
>
>
>> Makes me wonder about what the median age is on this newsgroup.
>> I suspect that very few (if any) are still under age 45, if not 50
>
> Poster        Age        Source
> ============  =========  =============
> -hh           mid 60s?   guess
> Ahlstrom      67         online
> Carpentier    50s?       guess
> D'Oliveiro    60s?       posts about old tech
> DFS           62         birth certificate
> Feeb          43         online
> Joel          late 40s   Joel
> PhysFitFreak  70s        online
> Relf          64         Relf
> RonB          70s        RonB
> Slimer        mid 40s    Slimer
> candycane     30s?       guess
> rbowman       75         rbowman
> shitv         late 50s?  his posts
> vallor        58         online
>
> approx
> median        62
> avg           59

45 in my case, about to turn 46 in a month.

--
CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

On 2025-01-08 14:00, Joel wrote:
> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-01-08 08:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 08/01/2025 12:19, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>>> On 07/01/2025 21:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>>>>>> He's also done some racist posts;
>>>>>
>>>>> So what?
>>>>> So have you.
>>>>
>>>> Show me such a post or stfu.
>>>>
>>> Anyone who says someone is racist, is a racist.
>>>
>>> That is someone who thinks in terms of race. And discriminates on the
>>> grounds of 'race'
>>
>> The worst part is that people who are objectively faggots, also known as
>> "the left," are pushing the narrative that there is no race but the
>> human race. With that in mind, how the heck is it even possible to be a
>> racist? Since he is dim-witted in addition to taking it up the ass, he
>> believes in two contradictory truths simultaneously: everyone is a
>> racist but there is no such thing as race.
>
>
> What's so bad about taking it up the ass?

You have a right to enjoy it.

--
CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On 08/01/2025 18:05, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>
>>> On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 11:27:32 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> You're racist for even talking about it! :-D
>>>>
>>>> "Coloured folks?"
>>>
>>> Who came up with BIPOC? Or NAACP for that matter? By the time I was a kid
>>> 'colored' was out and 'negro' was in. Now we're back to 'people of color'?
>>> That means they're colored, right?
>>
>> Why don't you walk up to a "colored man" and call them that? A good test!
>>
> I call them 'mate'

Good!

--
You will be married within a year.

On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 13:17:03 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in <vlltsf$2pqit$4@dont-email.me>:

> On 08/01/2025 12:19, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>
>>> On 07/01/2025 21:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> He's also done some racist posts;
>>>
>>> So what?
>>> So have you.
>>
>> Show me such a post or stfu.
>>
> Anyone who says someone is racist, is a racist.
>
> That is someone who thinks in terms of race. And discriminates on the
> grounds of 'race'

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kafkatrap

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.12.8 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G

On 1/8/25 12:13 PM, DFS wrote:
> On 1/8/2025 10:56 AM, -hh wrote:
>
>
>> Makes me wonder about what the median age is on this newsgroup.
>> I suspect that very few (if any) are still under age 45, if not 50
>
> Poster        Age        Source
> ============  =========  =============
> -hh           mid 60s?   guess
> Ahlstrom      67         online
> Carpentier    50s?       guess
> D'Oliveiro    60s?       posts about old tech
> DFS           62         birth certificate
> Feeb          43         online
> Joel          late 40s   Joel
> PhysFitFreak  70s        online
> Relf          64         Relf
> RonB          70s        RonB
> Slimer        mid 40s    Slimer
> candycane     30s?       guess
> rbowman       75         rbowman
> shitv         late 50s?  his posts
> vallor        58         online
>
> approx
> median        62
> avg           59

And n=15.

Good guess for me.

I could put together an anonymous SurveyMonkey poll if folks think it
was worthwhile for this ...but it is just idle curiosity on my part for
just how old we surviving USENET posters have become.

Could also delve into other demographics too, such as how many are
retired (my guess: ~40%?), or what OSs they really use where <g>. Of
course, being self-reported & unconfirmed, its only as reliable as its
participants.

-hh

On 1/8/25 10:56 AM, rbowman wrote:
> n Wed, 8 Jan 2025 09:32:45 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> At 75, you're still kicking ass. Knee or hip problems? I'm just 62 but
>> I think I'm getting arthritis in my right hip.

That's another clue for you, DFS, being cro-magnon. Modern Human rarely
ever gets old age issues in his 60s.

As human evolves, old age problems go farther and farther into older
age. You are less evolved than Modern Human.

Frankly, and with no pretense, my dick is more evolved than you sorry
ass sub-code-monkey. Don't get that ever wrong.

But your fingers do not have arthritic pain yet, so finger yourself
while you can.