On Tue, 28 May 2024 01:40:12 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> You don’t mean ReFS, do you? I don’t think that’s available much any
> more,
> outside of maybe some legacy “Enterprise” installations. Certainly not
> on any off-the-shelf retail machine.

https://www.guidingtech.com/71672/reasons-why-microsoft-removing-refs-
window/

https://www.microsoft.com/de-de/windows/business/windows-11-pro-
workstations

It might come up in German but there is an English button.

"Windows 11 Pro for Workstations has all the functions of Windows 11 Pro
as well as a number of tailor-made service extensions with which your
company receives new impulses.

With the technology of the robust file system (Resilient File System,
ReFS), your company can benefit from the cloud resilience for fault-
tolerant storage spaces and at the same time easily manage very large
volumes. If a drive is damaged in your company, your data is still
protected thanks to the mirrored drives."

Mire obfuscation from M$. Like it says in the Windows 10 article, isn't
removing an old technology from most versions except the more expensive
Workstation a bit backwards?

On Tue, 28 May 2024 01:55:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 01:32 this Tuesday (GMT):
>
>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 23:10:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>> I thought some people still use XP..
>>
>> But for what? Would you entrust mission-critical business operations to
>> obsolete, unsupported software?
>
> No, because it's a good UI and some stuff still works..from what I
> heard.

Really?? That Fisher-Price toy-style UI was a “good UI”?

On 2024-05-28, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 May 2024 23:10:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> I thought some people still use XP..
>
> But for what? Would you entrust mission-critical business operations to
> obsolete, unsupported software?

Wasn't the British Navy still using it to run their warships? I remember
reading something about that a few years back.

--
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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Mon, 27 May 2024 22:32:52 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 5/27/2024 9:34 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On 27 May 2024 17:44:34 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> The plasma people were very proud of bringing back the rotating cube
>>> crap in plasma 6.
>>
>> I missed that. It was an easy to thing to bring up, to make a Windows
>> user’s jaw drop.
>
> More useless, stolen Linux twaddle, cadged from TV graphics and the
> Video Toaster.

Says the one too heavily invested in the platform that can’t keep up.

”Sour grapes” is the phrase that comes to mind.

On 28 May 2024 06:05:14 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> Mire obfuscation from M$. Like it says in the Windows 10 article, isn't
> removing an old technology from most versions except the more expensive
> Workstation a bit backwards?

It seems like they are trying to squeeze more revenue out of ReFS by
removing it from Windows versions that used to have it.

Seems like a backwards move to me.

On Tue, 28 May 2024 02:18:19 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:

> Meanwhile, Linux has no such fsckery...

No fsckery is right.

Linux has no marketing department, looking over the shoulders of the
engineers and saying “take out that feature, save it for the extra-cost
pro version”.

Linux gives you 100% right from the moment you open the box.

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Sun, 26 May 2024 09:06:52 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> I remember those goddam Pinewood Derbies. My rough-hewn efforts could
>> not stand up to the sleek, highly polished, colorfully-painted, and
>> varnished cars with bolts in them for weight, obviously made mostly by
>> Dad. :-(
>
> We built something in the eighth grade shop class that was more like a
> Soap Box Tank. The shop teacher was content that nobody was cutting
> appendages off. Never did the miniatures. The goal was to haul it up the
> hill behind the school that was used for sleighs and toboggans and launch
> it. Don't think that ever happened.

Cool Runnings!

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On 2024-05-27 9:33 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 27 May 2024 07:53:13 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> On 2024-05-26 7:18 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 26 May 2024 09:06:43 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I upgraded to Linux from Windows XP.
>>>>
>>>> You're in the minority no matter how you spin it.
>>>
>>> Where are the Windows XP users? Gone.
>>>
>>> Where are the Linux users? More numerous than ever.
>>>
>>> Who’s the “minority” now?
>>
>> Linux, still. The XP users went to 7 once they could and upgraded their
>> machines.
>
> Really? Windows 7? Is that the best the poor things could do?

Are you purposefully dense? I'm going in chronological order.

Those who had machines which could capably run Windows XP did so until
2014 when Microsoft stopped supporting the product. At that point, if
they saw the lack of support as a problem, they upgraded their machines
to one running 7 or 8.1. They didn't say "let me hold onto this 2001
machine and run some shit Linux distribution on it."

--
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TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-05-27 9:35 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 27 May 2024 08:42:54 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> I already know that Linux is extremely popular with programmers.
>> It's just not popular with most of anyone else.
>
> Funny, most of the dozens of people I do Linux support for are not
> programmers/developers.

Good for you. Do you understand the meaning of "most?"

--
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TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-05-27 10:32 p.m., DFS wrote:
> On 5/27/2024 9:34 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On 27 May 2024 17:44:34 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> The plasma people were very proud of bringing back the rotating cube
>>> crap in plasma 6.
>>
>> I missed that. It was an easy to thing to bring up, to make a Windows
>> user’s jaw drop.
>
> More useless, stolen Linux twaddle, cadged from TV graphics and the
> Video Toaster.

Funny enough, the guy I worked with who was a Linux die-hard also used
the rotating cube to "convince" me that Linux was better. My only
response to him was "that's pretty, how is this better than pressing
alt-tab?" He started talking to me about virtual desktops and all the
rest but the response remained the same "virtual desktops, that's neat.
How is this better than minimizing and alt-tab?" In the end, very little
of what Linux has introduced has actually helped productivity in any
way. I'd say that the hot corners is pretty much the only one, but I
have no idea if that started in Linux.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> vallor wrote:
>>
>> Meanwhile, Linux has no such fsckery...
>
>No fsckery is right.
>
>Linux has no marketing department, looking over the shoulders of the
>engineers and saying “take out that feature, save it for the extra-cost
>pro version”.

And, don't forget, make it difficult to reverse-engineer.

>Linux gives you 100% right from the moment you open the box.

No price tiers, no patents, no royalties, no secrets. Only "What's
the best way to do it?"

--
"and this is *wrong*." - some ignorant, serially-lying thing,
judging how Linux handles NTFS.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>> Today, only Linux and the BSDs offer “workstation”-class functionality.
>>
>> [random crap]
>
> Is that the most coherent response you can manage?

In the old days, I would have advised you to KF the POS. But with
most of the haters long gone, I realize the entertainment value of the
remaining jackass.

Not that he's ever getting out of my KF...

--
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not have a single bug report ever - past, present or future. But it
turns out lots of morons make those kind of ridiculous claims about
Linux' - DumFSck, shameless jackass

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>> I thought some people still use XP..
>
>But for what? Would you entrust mission-critical business operations to
>obsolete, unsupported software?

We use some XP machines at work. They are running old test code for
old products. They're firewalled off the Internet...

--
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with somehow being technically superior." - trolling fsckwit
"Ezekiel", lying shamelessly

candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
wrote:

>I thought some people still use XP..

I could put it in a VM, easily
(en_windows_xp_professional_with_service_pack_3_x86_cd_x14-80428.iso).
If anyone needs it, I could put it on a binary group, probably could
even put it on Google Drive, I doubt M$ gives a flying fuck.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-05-28, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-27 9:33 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 07:53:13 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-05-26 7:18 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2024 09:06:43 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I upgraded to Linux from Windows XP.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're in the minority no matter how you spin it.
>>>>
>>>> Where are the Windows XP users? Gone.
>>>>
>>>> Where are the Linux users? More numerous than ever.
>>>>
>>>> Who’s the “minority” now?
>>>
>>> Linux, still. The XP users went to 7 once they could and upgraded their
>>> machines.
>>
>> Really? Windows 7? Is that the best the poor things could do?
>
> Are you purposefully dense? I'm going in chronological order.
>
> Those who had machines which could capably run Windows XP did so until
> 2014 when Microsoft stopped supporting the product. At that point, if
> they saw the lack of support as a problem, they upgraded their machines
> to one running 7 or 8.1. They didn't say "let me hold onto this 2001
> machine and run some shit Linux distribution on it."

I moved from XP to Linux and Linux wasn't shit. Windows Vista, now that
truly was shit.

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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

Andrzej Matuch wrote:

>Funny enough, the guy I worked with who was a Linux die-hard also used
>the rotating cube to "convince" me that Linux was better. My only
>response to him was "that's pretty, how is this better than pressing
>alt-tab?"

Heh. Reminds me of when I bought my Amiga A1000 and was showing it
off to friends. Even non-geek friends were forced to endure many
minutes of watching "cool" graphics demos.

They were probably thinking along the lines of "Am I supposed to find
this interesting or useful?"

--
"If anything, Windows offers more choice - you have almost all of the
best oss software, and a far larger range of proprietary software." -
Tom Shillton

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>>> According to Microsoft’s own research
>>> <https://tech.slashdot.org/story/22/02/01/2056211>, a typical
>>> Windows PC needs at least eight hours of online time to fully
>>> update itself each Patch Tuesday. With a minimum of two hours’
>>> uninterrupted connection, just to get started.
>>
>> It would obviously depend on the speed of one's Internet connection,
>> how long it takes to download and install the updates, but the point is
>> that you're beginning from a state where the bugs, in the initial
>> release and beyond, are resolved.
>
>The assumption would be that you were already caught up on previous
>updates.

What exactly do you think Service Pack 3 would do, if not catch you up
to all the previous updates to its release? The XP ISO I have
archived starts you out with SP3 already there, all you need is the
updates coming since its release.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Mon, 27 May 2024 15:54:47 -0400, Joel wrote:
>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>
>>> "Windows 11 Pro for Workstations 64". (I wonder what the "for
>>> Workstations" gets you?)
>>
>> That edition of Windows has a more advanced file system than NTFS.
>
>You don’t mean ReFS, do you? I don’t think that’s available much any more,
>outside of maybe some legacy “Enterprise” installations. Certainly not on
>any off-the-shelf retail machine.
>
>What else can Microsoft offer, besides NTFS? Nothing.

It is ReFS, yes:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/business/windows-11-pro-workstations

>>>
With resilient file system (ReFS) technology, your organization can
enjoy cloud-grade resiliency for fault-tolerant storage spaces while
managing very large volumes with ease. If one drive in your
organization becomes corrupted, your data is still protected, thanks
to mirrored drives.
<<<

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Tue, 28 May 2024 01:55:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 01:32 this Tuesday (GMT):
>>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 23:10:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought some people still use XP..
>>>
>>> But for what? Would you entrust mission-critical business operations to
>>> obsolete, unsupported software?
>>
>> No, because it's a good UI and some stuff still works..from what I
>> heard.
>
>Really?? That Fisher-Price toy-style UI was a “good UI”?

You could switch it to look mostly like Win2000. Better performance,
with that theme, too (at least on my ancient computer I initially had
XP on, upgraded from 2000).

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 5/27/2024 10:24 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> On 2024-05-27 9:25 a.m., DFS wrote:

> I'm sure that all Linux companies are in tears at the knowledge that you
> won't buy from them.

I engage in psychological warfare. I log to Linux sites like System76,
load up a cart with 4 maxed-out systems... then leave. It kills them!

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>On 5/27/2024 10:24 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> I'm sure that all Linux companies are in tears at the knowledge that you
>> won't buy from them.
>
>I engage in psychological warfare. I log to Linux sites like System76,
>load up a cart with 4 maxed-out systems... then leave. It kills them!

And you're in your 60s?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-05-27 9:33 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 07:53:13 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-05-26 7:18 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2024 09:06:43 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I upgraded to Linux from Windows XP.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're in the minority no matter how you spin it.
>>>>
>>>> Where are the Windows XP users? Gone.
>>>>
>>>> Where are the Linux users? More numerous than ever.
>>>>
>>>> Who’s the “minority” now?
>>>
>>> Linux, still. The XP users went to 7 once they could and upgraded their
>>> machines.
>>
>> Really? Windows 7? Is that the best the poor things could do?
>
> Are you purposefully dense? I'm going in chronological order.
>
> Those who had machines which could capably run Windows XP did so until
> 2014 when Microsoft stopped supporting the product. At that point, if
> they saw the lack of support as a problem, they upgraded their machines
> to one running 7 or 8.1. They didn't say "let me hold onto this 2001
> machine and run some shit Linux distribution on it."

Or they did what the Navy did around 2015:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/us-navy-pays-out-millions-to-microsoft-to-keep-running-windows-xp/

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"Good afternoon. I'd like a FrintArms HandCannon, please."

"A--? Oh, now, that's an awfully big gun for such a lovely lady. I
mean, not everybody thinks ladies should carry guns at all, though I
say they have a right to. But I think... I might... Let's have a look
down here. I might have just the thing for you. Yes, here we are!
Look at that, isn't it neat? Now that is a FrintArms product as well,
but it's what's called a laser -- a light-pistol some people call
them. Very small, as you see; fits easily into a pocket or bag; won't
spoil the line of a jacket; and you won't feel you're lugging half a
tonne of iron around with you. We do a range of matching accessories,
including -- if I may say so -- a rather saucy garter holster. Wish I
got to do the fitting for that! Ha -- just my little joke. And
there's *even*... here we are -- this special presentation pack: gun,
charged battery, charging unit, beautiful glider-hide shoulder holster
with adjustable fitting and contrast stitching, and a discount on your
next battery. Full instructions, of course, and a voucher for free
lessons at your local gun club or range. Or there's the *special*
presentation pack; it has all the other one's got but with *two*
charged batteries and a night-sight, too. Here, feel that -- don't
worry, it's a dummy battery -- isn't it neat? Feel how light it is?
Smooth, see? No bits to stick out and catch on your clothes, *and*
beautifully balanced. And of course the beauty of a laser is, there's
no recoil. Because it's shooting light, you see? Beautiful gun,
beautiful gun; my wife has one. Really. That's not a line, she
really has. Now, I can do you that one -- with a battery and a free
charge -- for ninety-five; or the presentation pack on a special
offer for one-nineteen; or this, the special presentation pack, for
one-forty-nine."

"I'll take the special."

"Sound choice, madam, *sound* choice. Now, do--?"

"And a HandCannon, with the eighty-mill silencer, five GP clips, three
six-five AP/wire-fl'echettes clips, two bipropellant HE clips, and a
Special Projectile Pack if you have one -- the one with the embedding
rounds, not the signalers. I assume the night-sight on this toy is
compatible?"

"Aah... yes, And how does madam wish to pay?"

She slapped her credit card on the counter. "Eventually."

-- Iain M. Banks, "Against a Dark Background"

On 5/27/2024 9:37 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2024 23:26:04 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 5/26/2024 7:22 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> Today, only Linux and the BSDs offer “workstation”-class functionality.
>>
>> [random crap]

restored: "Linux is 8X quicker, even for gaming!"

It is crap, but it's not random. It's a direct quote from one of you
deranged cola morons. His name was Linuxiac (aka Big Red Truck,
NerdWizard and OldTech). He posted incredible amounts of blathering
nonsense between late 2005 and early 2016:

------------------------------------------------------------------------

"In more than 30 industry standard bench mark "shoot outs" by computer
tech mags, PcGaming, Maximum Linux, MaximumPC, Tom's Hardware,
AnandTech, Mac Addict, and others, since 1997, it was benchmarked that
ALL processes in GNU/Linux process upto 50X faster than processes in
Microsoft, primarily due to overhead and poor coding in the Microsoft
products."

------------------------------------------------------------------------

"On all pre-2007 computers, pClinuxOS and Mepis load in like 20 minutes,
run fantastic! Upto 50X faster than XP Pro!"

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Not long after I began challenging some of his nutty bullshit he said
"Fine, PISS OFF and go back to screwing your mother, again!"

Linux makes you crazy.

On 5/28/2024 9:37 AM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> On 5/27/2024 10:24 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sure that all Linux companies are in tears at the knowledge that you
>>> won't buy from them.
>>
>> I engage in psychological warfare. I log to Linux sites like System76,
>> load up a cart with 4 maxed-out systems... then leave. It kills them!
>
>
> And you're in your 60s?

Yes.

And 'gullible' isn't a word in the dictionary. Look it up.

Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-05-27 10:32 p.m., DFS wrote:
>> On 5/27/2024 9:34 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On 27 May 2024 17:44:34 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>>> The plasma people were very proud of bringing back the rotating cube
>>>> crap in plasma 6.
>>>
>>> I missed that. It was an easy to thing to bring up, to make a Windows
>>> user’s jaw drop.
>>
>> More useless, stolen Linux twaddle, cadged from TV graphics and the
>> Video Toaster.
>
> Funny enough, the guy I worked with who was a Linux die-hard also used
> the rotating cube to "convince" me that Linux was better. My only
> response to him was "that's pretty, how is this better than pressing
> alt-tab?" He started talking to me about virtual desktops and all the
> rest but the response remained the same "virtual desktops, that's neat.
> How is this better than minimizing and alt-tab?" In the end, very little
> of what Linux has introduced has actually helped productivity in any
> way. I'd say that the hot corners is pretty much the only one, but I
> have no idea if that started in Linux.

:-D

When I had to suffer with a Windoze laptop at work, I increased my productivity
and working pleasure with Git Bash, VLC, tmux, Firefox and Chrome,
Vim and Gvim.

I would have continued using Windows in a VM hosted on Linux if the Company
hadn't been so antagonstic to Linux. Virtual desktops on Windows are a pain in
the ass.

But to each his "own" (heh heh).

--
You have Egyptian flu: you're going to be a mummy.