"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
news:vksrut$16d51$4@dont-email.me...
> On 2024-12-29 17:00, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> people with real intellect don't have time for Apple's
>>>>>> quirks.
>>>>>
>>>>> So tell me this:
>>>>>
>>>>> Why has Android's default interface switch to gesture-based...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...since Android 9 in 2018...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...which followed Apple's lead with the iPhone X released in 2017?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know anything about Android phones other than Samsung, I go by
>>>> them because they're the flagship Android manufacturer, the head-to-
>>>> head competitor with Apple. I'm in love with their motif.
>>>
>>> You are ignorant about so much it would seem...
>>
>>
>> The more ignorant I am of Apple crapware, the better.
> So you admit ignorance of it...
>
> ...but still feel you can pronounce on how well it works.
>
> Do you see the disconnect there?

I'm sure that everyone BUT Joel will see it..... intuitively

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1m34njtpjud0ul5ot2is744vm8jlp5dgaq@4ax.com...
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> I don't know anything about Android phones other than Samsung, I go
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> them because they're the flagship Android manufacturer, the head-to-
>>>>>>> head competitor with Apple. I'm in love with their motif.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are ignorant about so much it would seem...
>>>>>
>>>>> The more ignorant I am of Apple crapware, the better.
>>>> So you admit ignorance of it...
>>>>
>>>> ...but still feel you can pronounce on how well it works.
>>>>
>>>> Do you see the disconnect there?
>>>
>>> What little I saw of the iPhone was even worse than the MacBook I
>>> owned.
>>What you actually mean is "Wah! This isn't exactly the same was what I'm
>>used to and I don't want to learn new things!"
>
>
> Not really, no, I just want things to be designed logically.

Logically being defined as only what your limited intelligence can figure
out.. that explains so much.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ul44nj5f0fsm4hkp21tc81g6gkvlrqda5t@4ax.com...
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know anything about Android phones other than Samsung, I
>>>>>>>>> go by
>>>>>>>>> them because they're the flagship Android manufacturer, the
>>>>>>>>> head-to-
>>>>>>>>> head competitor with Apple. I'm in love with their motif.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are ignorant about so much it would seem...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The more ignorant I am of Apple crapware, the better.
>>>>>> So you admit ignorance of it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...but still feel you can pronounce on how well it works.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you see the disconnect there?
>>>>>
>>>>> What little I saw of the iPhone was even worse than the MacBook I
>>>>> owned.
>>>> What you actually mean is "Wah! This isn't exactly the same was what
>>>> I'm
>>>> used to and I don't want to learn new things!"
>>>
>>> Not really, no, I just want things to be designed logically.
>>Where "logically" is defined as: "What I know already"
>
>
> Incorrect, it's defined as what *normal* people find intuitive, as
> opposed to Apple finding some niche among right-brained weirdoes.

So then.. that has nothing to do with you since you are, by your own
statements, anything but "normal".

On 2024-12-29, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>
> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:jg91nj1llt5hmg8frms2iverbedogbi696@4ax.com...
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> In what OBJECTIVE criteria is an iPhone worse than your Samsung phone
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> choice?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The user interface is impossible to work with, not intuitive.
>>>>>
>>>>> In what...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...OBJECTIVE...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...way?
>>>>
>>>> It's impossible to keep track of what one is doing, you leave an app
>>>> and have no route back to it, it doesn't multitask intuitively. Maybe
>>>> right-brained people are just oriented toward this bullshit, and Apple
>>>> happily sucks up their money, but normal people like the Galaxy S.
>>>
>>>If you have no objective way in which "the user interface is impossible
>>>to work with"...
>>>
>>>...you have nothing.
>>>
>>>But let's address what little you have.
>>>
>>>In what way does iOS not "multitask intuitively"?
>>
>>
>> Read my previous post again.
>
> IOW, even Joel doesn't know what he's trying to say.. just that vague waving
> of the hands in the air while saying something like 'it sucks'.
>
I have both a Samsung Android and a recent iPhone and to switch between applications
it's a similar process.

iPhone- Swipe up and the running applications appear.
Swap left/right and tap on the application you want to switch to.

Android- Tap the 3 vertical bars on bottom left screen.
The applications that are running appear just like iPhone.
Swipe left/right and tap the application you want to switch to.

So both phones require you to know to either tap the 3 vertical bars or
swipe up but after that it's exactly the same.
Once you know this it's pretty much the same thing and certainly not
a game changer either way.

--
pothead

"Give a man a fish and you turn him into a Democrat for life"
"Teach a man to fish and he might become a self-sufficient conservative Republican"
"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up,"
--- Barack H. Obama

On 2024-12-30 10:23, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-12-29, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:jg91nj1llt5hmg8frms2iverbedogbi696@4ax.com...
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> In what OBJECTIVE criteria is an iPhone worse than your Samsung phone
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> choice?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The user interface is impossible to work with, not intuitive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In what...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...OBJECTIVE...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...way?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's impossible to keep track of what one is doing, you leave an app
>>>>> and have no route back to it, it doesn't multitask intuitively. Maybe
>>>>> right-brained people are just oriented toward this bullshit, and Apple
>>>>> happily sucks up their money, but normal people like the Galaxy S.
>>>>
>>>> If you have no objective way in which "the user interface is impossible
>>>> to work with"...
>>>>
>>>> ...you have nothing.
>>>>
>>>> But let's address what little you have.
>>>>
>>>> In what way does iOS not "multitask intuitively"?
>>>
>>>
>>> Read my previous post again.
>>
>> IOW, even Joel doesn't know what he's trying to say.. just that vague waving
>> of the hands in the air while saying something like 'it sucks'.
>>
> I have both a Samsung Android and a recent iPhone and to switch between applications
> it's a similar process.
>
> iPhone- Swipe up and the running applications appear.
> Swap left/right and tap on the application you want to switch to.
>
> Android- Tap the 3 vertical bars on bottom left screen.
> The applications that are running appear just like iPhone.
> Swipe left/right and tap the application you want to switch to.
>
> So both phones require you to know to either tap the 3 vertical bars or
> swipe up but after that it's exactly the same.
> Once you know this it's pretty much the same thing and certainly not
> a game changer either way.
>
>
>

Exactly.

No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-12-30 10:23, pothead wrote:
>> On 2024-12-29, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:jg91nj1llt5hmg8frms2iverbedogbi696@4ax.com...
>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In what OBJECTIVE criteria is an iPhone worse than your Samsung phone
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> choice?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The user interface is impossible to work with, not intuitive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In what...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...OBJECTIVE...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's impossible to keep track of what one is doing, you leave an app
>>>>>> and have no route back to it, it doesn't multitask intuitively. Maybe
>>>>>> right-brained people are just oriented toward this bullshit, and Apple
>>>>>> happily sucks up their money, but normal people like the Galaxy S.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have no objective way in which "the user interface is impossible
>>>>> to work with"...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...you have nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> But let's address what little you have.
>>>>>
>>>>> In what way does iOS not "multitask intuitively"?
>>>>
>>>> Read my previous post again.
>>>
>>> IOW, even Joel doesn't know what he's trying to say.. just that vague waving
>>> of the hands in the air while saying something like 'it sucks'.
>>>
>> I have both a Samsung Android and a recent iPhone and to switch between applications
>> it's a similar process.
>>
>> iPhone- Swipe up and the running applications appear.
>> Swap left/right and tap on the application you want to switch to.
>>
>> Android- Tap the 3 vertical bars on bottom left screen.
>> The applications that are running appear just like iPhone.
>> Swipe left/right and tap the application you want to switch to.
>>
>> So both phones require you to know to either tap the 3 vertical bars or
>> swipe up but after that it's exactly the same.
>> Once you know this it's pretty much the same thing and certainly not
>> a game changer either way.
>
>Exactly.
>
>No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.

But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like
iOS requires.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-30 10:42, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-30 10:23, pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-29, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:jg91nj1llt5hmg8frms2iverbedogbi696@4ax.com...
>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In what OBJECTIVE criteria is an iPhone worse than your Samsung phone
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> choice?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The user interface is impossible to work with, not intuitive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In what...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...OBJECTIVE...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's impossible to keep track of what one is doing, you leave an app
>>>>>>> and have no route back to it, it doesn't multitask intuitively. Maybe
>>>>>>> right-brained people are just oriented toward this bullshit, and Apple
>>>>>>> happily sucks up their money, but normal people like the Galaxy S.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have no objective way in which "the user interface is impossible
>>>>>> to work with"...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...you have nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But let's address what little you have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In what way does iOS not "multitask intuitively"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Read my previous post again.
>>>>
>>>> IOW, even Joel doesn't know what he's trying to say.. just that vague waving
>>>> of the hands in the air while saying something like 'it sucks'.
>>>>
>>> I have both a Samsung Android and a recent iPhone and to switch between applications
>>> it's a similar process.
>>>
>>> iPhone- Swipe up and the running applications appear.
>>> Swap left/right and tap on the application you want to switch to.
>>>
>>> Android- Tap the 3 vertical bars on bottom left screen.
>>> The applications that are running appear just like iPhone.
>>> Swipe left/right and tap the application you want to switch to.
>>>
>>> So both phones require you to know to either tap the 3 vertical bars or
>>> swipe up but after that it's exactly the same.
>>> Once you know this it's pretty much the same thing and certainly not
>>> a game changer either way.
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>> No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.
>
>
> But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like
> iOS requires.
>

What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus?

On 30 Dec 2024, Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> posted some
news:1815e94fa891d6ec$29708$3091964$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com:

> Joel wrote:
>> I'll be 48 in March.
>>
>>
> It's about time for you to find a job, you lazy mooch
> on society.

Hahahahaha!

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>> No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.
>>
>> But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like
>> iOS requires.
>
>What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus?

You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too
much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Red Zone <redzone@trump.com> wrote:
>On 30 Dec 2024, Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> posted some
>news:1815e94fa891d6ec$29708$3091964$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com:
>> Joel wrote:

>>> I'll be 48 in March.
>>>
>> It's about time for you to find a job, you lazy mooch
>> on society.
>
>Hahahahaha!

My existence is invaluable for "society", so shut the fuck up, both of
you right-wing, moronic turds.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-30 11:55, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.
>>>
>>> But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like
>>> iOS requires.
>>
>> What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus?
>
>
> You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too
> much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
And how did you learn which button to press?

On 2024-12-30 11:55, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.
>>>
>>> But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like
>>> iOS requires.
>>
>> What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus?
>
>
> You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too
> much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
>

So that's your definition of "intuitive": just take a guess?

On 2024-12-30 11:57, Joel wrote:
> Red Zone <redzone@trump.com> wrote:
>> On 30 Dec 2024, Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> posted some
>> news:1815e94fa891d6ec$29708$3091964$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com:
>>> Joel wrote:
>
>>>> I'll be 48 in March.
>>>>
>>> It's about time for you to find a job, you lazy mooch
>>> on society.
>>
>> Hahahahaha!
>
>
> My existence is invaluable for "society", so shut the fuck up, both of
> you right-wing, moronic turds.
>

Truly you are a legend in your own mind.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>> No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.
>>>>
>>>> But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like
>>>> iOS requires.
>>>
>>> What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus?
>>
>> You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too
>> much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
>And how did you learn which button to press?

By doing it ...

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>> No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.
>>>>
>>>> But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like
>>>> iOS requires.
>>>
>>> What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus?
>>
>> You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too
>> much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
>
>So that's your definition of "intuitive": just take a guess?

It's not a guess. There are only so many things the button could be.
Apple is trying to be fancier, and making a piece of crap in the
process.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-12-30 11:57, Joel wrote:
>> Red Zone <redzone@trump.com> wrote:
>>> On 30 Dec 2024, Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> posted some
>>> news:1815e94fa891d6ec$29708$3091964$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com:
>>>> Joel wrote:
>>
>>>>> I'll be 48 in March.
>>>>>
>>>> It's about time for you to find a job, you lazy mooch
>>>> on society.
>>>
>>> Hahahahaha!
>>
>> My existence is invaluable for "society", so shut the fuck up, both of
>> you right-wing, moronic turds.
>
>Truly you are a legend in your own mind.

You aren't aware of my identity as the second coming of Christ?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-30, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-12-30 11:57, Joel wrote:
>>> Red Zone <redzone@trump.com> wrote:
>>>> On 30 Dec 2024, Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> posted some
>>>> news:1815e94fa891d6ec$29708$3091964$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com:
>>>>> Joel wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I'll be 48 in March.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It's about time for you to find a job, you lazy mooch
>>>>> on society.
>>>>
>>>> Hahahahaha!
>>>
>>> My existence is invaluable for "society", so shut the fuck up, both of
>>> you right-wing, moronic turds.
>>
>>Truly you are a legend in your own mind.
>
>
> You aren't aware of my identity as the second coming of Christ?
>
Impossible.
Snit claims he is the second coming of Christ.
How there be 2 of you lunatics?

--
pothead

"Give a man a fish and you turn him into a Democrat for life"
"Teach a man to fish and he might become a self-sufficient conservative Republican"
"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up,"
--- Barack H. Obama

Joel wrote:
> Red Zone <redzone@trump.com> wrote:
>> On 30 Dec 2024, Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> posted some
>> news:1815e94fa891d6ec$29708$3091964$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com:
>>> Joel wrote:
>
>>>> I'll be 48 in March.
>>>>
>>> It's about time for you to find a job, you lazy mooch
>>> on society.
>>
>> Hahahahaha!
>
>
> My existence is invaluable for "society", so shut the fuck up, both of
> you right-wing, moronic turds.
>
>
https://postimg.cc/R3PRbyZV

On 2024-12-30 12:25, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.
>>>>>
>>>>> But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like
>>>>> iOS requires.
>>>>
>>>> What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus?
>>>
>>> You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too
>>> much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
>> And how did you learn which button to press?
>
>
> By doing it ...
>

So you do know that when you get a new iPhone, it gives you the thing
you need to know, right?

:-)

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like
>>>>>> iOS requires.
>>>>>
>>>>> What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus?
>>>>
>>>> You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too
>>>> much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
>>> And how did you learn which button to press?
>>
>> By doing it ...
>
>So you do know that when you get a new iPhone, it gives you the thing
>you need to know, right?
>
>:-)

Instructions? I'd rather just be able to start using it, effectively.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-30 12:26, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.
>>>>>
>>>>> But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like
>>>>> iOS requires.
>>>>
>>>> What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus?
>>>
>>> You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too
>>> much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
>>
>> So that's your definition of "intuitive": just take a guess?
>
>
> It's not a guess. There are only so many things the button could be.
> Apple is trying to be fancier, and making a piece of crap in the
> process.
>

Dude, you're really reaching right now.

There's one--well one and half gestures you need to learn, and the
second part follows from the first.

You swipe straight up to unlock the phone and to return to the home screen.

Add "and to the right" or "and just pause for a moment" to that gesture
and you're in the app switcher.

It's easily findable.

On 2024-12-30 15:07, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like
>>>>>>> iOS requires.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus?
>>>>>
>>>>> You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too
>>>>> much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
>>>> And how did you learn which button to press?
>>>
>>> By doing it ...
>>
>> So you do know that when you get a new iPhone, it gives you the thing
>> you need to know, right?
>>
>> :-)
>
>
> Instructions? I'd rather just be able to start using it, effectively.
>

You're lying if you pretend that you learned everything you know with no
instructions.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like
>>>>>> iOS requires.
>>>>>
>>>>> What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus?
>>>>
>>>> You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too
>>>> much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
>>>
>>> So that's your definition of "intuitive": just take a guess?
>>
>> It's not a guess. There are only so many things the button could be.
>> Apple is trying to be fancier, and making a piece of crap in the
>> process.
>
>Dude, you're really reaching right now.
>
>There's one--well one and half gestures you need to learn, and the
>second part follows from the first.
>
>You swipe straight up to unlock the phone and to return to the home screen.
>
>Add "and to the right" or "and just pause for a moment" to that gesture
>and you're in the app switcher.
>
>It's easily findable.

To me, that sounds like you're making my case for me - why can't Apple
just make a phone with all the controls that would logically be
required? Is Samsung somehow inelegant for including the buttons? Is
it more elegant to not have them, and have this scheme of swiping?
WTF!

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-30 15:23, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like
>>>>>>> iOS requires.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus?
>>>>>
>>>>> You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too
>>>>> much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
>>>>
>>>> So that's your definition of "intuitive": just take a guess?
>>>
>>> It's not a guess. There are only so many things the button could be.
>>> Apple is trying to be fancier, and making a piece of crap in the
>>> process.
>>
>> Dude, you're really reaching right now.
>>
>> There's one--well one and half gestures you need to learn, and the
>> second part follows from the first.
>>
>> You swipe straight up to unlock the phone and to return to the home screen.
>>
>> Add "and to the right" or "and just pause for a moment" to that gesture
>> and you're in the app switcher.
>>
>> It's easily findable.
>
>
> To me, that sounds like you're making my case for me - why can't Apple
> just make a phone with all the controls that would logically be
> required? Is Samsung somehow inelegant for including the buttons? Is
> it more elegant to not have them, and have this scheme of swiping?
> WTF!
>

Because the controls you use take up space ALL THE TIME.

And to use a modern smartphone is to use gestures for almost everything,
so why not for basic navigation.

Android has switched to Apple's way of doing things because it works.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> No user interface is truly intuitive; but rather each needs to be learned.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But intuitive learning is superior to learning quirky maneuvers, like
>>>>>>>> iOS requires.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What makes a button with an unknown symbol on it more "intuitive", doofus?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You press it and get results, without having to learn or think too
>>>>>> much about it. Samsung is genius, Apple is mediocre.
>>>>> And how did you learn which button to press?
>>>>
>>>> By doing it ...
>>>
>>> So you do know that when you get a new iPhone, it gives you the thing
>>> you need to know, right?
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> Instructions? I'd rather just be able to start using it, effectively.
>
>You're lying if you pretend that you learned everything you know with no
>instructions.

A smartphone shouldn't need instructions for the most basic UI
features.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.