On 12/01/2025 14:52, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>> Yes, but then I'd have to find or make an enclosure that fits the board
>> SET.

On 2025-01-12, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> That's what 3D printers are for...:-)

Sorry, mechanical design, 3D drafting - not in my skill set. And
neither I nor my friends have a 3D printer. And while it might be
interesting to learn, it is too much of a detour at my age of 74.
I could just buy a Protectli like the one I use at the office, but
things for the home should be cheap.

https://www.amazon.com/Firewall-Appliance-Gigabit-Celeron-AES-NI/dp/B07G9NHRGQ/

Looking at this, I see they have a two-port version for USD 219 with
32GB onbord storage, or USD 259 with 250GB NVMe. That is tempting.
The 4-porter at the office was a lot more expensive than that.

Spec says USB type C console port. I wonder how that works. Intended for
a USB-to-RS232 adapter?

On 2025-01-13, root <NoEMail@home.org> wrote:
> Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> wrote:
>>
>> I did not mention that I run Fedora.
>
> Oh, big difference. I tried running a version of
> Slackware and gave that up. Raspian proves to
> me perfectly satisfactory for my Pi needs.

It simplifies my life when all my Linux systems have the same system
administration interfaces. I made the mistake of putting Centos 7 on a
Wordpress server in the cloud that I set up for my daughter's kiddie
pictures. It is now orphaned, and if I want to update it, I would have
to reverse engineer her customizations of Wordpress to back them up so I
could do a complete reinstall transparently (to her).

Anyway, my Pi-4 toy is completely stable with a headless Fedora Server
install; it survived several in-place version upgrades, and is currently
running F41.

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
LP>> Wife and I just watched a Danish documentary movie about a restaurant
LP>> group that moved a Michelin starred restaurant from Torshavn (Faroes) to
LP>> a village in on the edge of the Disko Ice Fjord in West Greenland. The

On 2025-01-12, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
D> Why would they do that? Sounds like bad business to me. On the other hand,
D> I'm not running a restaurant. =)
>
D> Does your wife speak danish or did you AI-translate the subtitles?
D> Sometimes I can rip documentaries including swedish subtitles from
D> svtplay.se and then automatically translate the subtitles so that it works
D> for my wife as well.

My wife is EN (US) only. The movie in question had no subtitles. The
sound track was a mish-mash of English, Danish, Faroese, Greenlandish
and unintelligible. I think they had intended to pdut English subtitles
on it, but ran out of money in postproduction. Nevertheless, I could
explain to her what was happening most of the time.

Amazon Prime video gave us an interesting selection when we search for
"Danish movie" from the home screen, almost all of them with English
subtitles; one of them even had a dubbed-in English soundtrack.

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
LP>> My company does a fair amount of engineering support work for the CTBTO
LP>> (the Preparatory commission for the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty
LP>> Organization) which maintains dozens of infrasound monitoring stations
LP>> in remote parts of the world. My business partner/boss likes to come
LP>> along on a site visit once in a while. Easter Island, Robinson Crusoe
LP>> Island, Alice Springs, Warramunga. (Not so keen on going to Djibouti,
LP>> Tristan da Cunha.) These maintenance/field upgrade visits are planned

On 2025-01-12, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
D> Wow! What ever they are paying you to go to those places, I am certain it
D> is not enough. You would have to pay me several 100s of thousands of
D> dollars before I would voluntarily travel there.

A lot of people have Easter Island on their bucket list, so a paid trip
there is not too bad. Robinson Crusoe is less well known, and the
airstrip is on the opposite side of the island from the village where
the hostel is located, so it is a boat ride. In both cases, the visits
to the instrumentation sites was only a two-hour hike with a pack donkey
to carry the tools and equipment. My partner is 5 years younger than me
and surfs and snowboards. He did have to get an OSHA tower climbing
certification to be useful for the equipment installation.

If I thought I could be useful, I would have offered to go on the
upgrade visit to Qaanaaq (a.k.a. Ultima Thule). Alas, my wife will not
allow me to climb towers.

We declined traveling to Djibouti and Tristan da Cunha, doing remote
support for the installers instead. TdC is very hard to get to. No
airstrip; access is a 7-day boat ride on a fishing boat from Capetown,
you spend 7 days on the island, and then you ride the boat back or wait
for the next boat a month or two later. And the schedule yields to
weather conditions. I think they have 3 round trips in the summer only.

LP>> years ahead of time. We supply radios for communications within a
LP>> station between sensor arrays. Towers are designed, tower sections
LP>> ordered and staged, cables are spec-ed to exact lengths. We do
LP>> predictions of radio signal strengths using Google Earth to review
LP>> line-of-sight issues. And field installation crews have carefully
LP>> planned spare parts, cable splice kits, power banks etc. There is no
LP>> BestBuy or Home Depot in the villages of Nunavut!

D> My father visited Nunavut once I think. Don't remember the circumstances.
D> He worked almost all his life for the same airline, so it was probably
D> some very minor test of a potential new destination or a marketing stunt.
>
LP>> It is a fun part of our project portfolio. The CTBTO is a UN agency
LP>> headquartered in Vienna. The contractors are a diverse bunch, that get
LP>> rotated a bit. We have worked with groups from France, Ireland,
LP>> California and Alaska. We got in on this, because our radios are the
LP>> most reliable they could find. I don't know what they will do when we
LP>> retire in a couple of years, but I am sure they are working on it.
>
D> This is worrying. Does it not worry you that you have the world government
D> as your customer? How do you deal with the ethical dilemmas that implies?

World government my ass. A government with no army? It is a debating
society. But even so, it does useful things. The global data collection
of the CTBTO has found many applications in all sorts of research.

(PS: I'd be interested in hearing about you life in the South Baltic
area, but that seems too far from the topics here. Maybe email me
- my info in the headers is true and functional.)

At Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:16:01 +0100 D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, Robert Heller wrote:
>
> > At Sun, 12 Jan 2025 17:06:16 -0000 (UTC) root <NoEMail@home.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I am glad I did not get a Pi-5. I have had enough problems getting
> >>> the GUI to start up at boot time with my Pi-4B that I decided to just
> >>> run it in headless server mode.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I can't understand your problems. I have two Pi4B and a Pi5 running
> >> 24/7. It is convenient that they all take the same version of
> >> Raspian.
All three worked right up on the first boot. You do, however,
> >> have to make sure you have a good power unit.
> >>
> >
> > Good quality uSD cards are also good. SanDisk cards are very good.
>
> Are there any memory cards that are more resistant to corruption during
> power outtage?

I have several Pis (of various vintage), and some other SBCs. All have
SanDisk cards and all have been power cycled on occasion, and none have ever
been corrupted.

>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364
> > Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services
> > http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services
> > heller@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services
> >
>
>

--
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Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services
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At Mon, 13 Jan 2025 13:06:04 -0000 (UTC) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> wrote:

>
> Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> >> > Yes, but then I'd have to find or make an enclosure that fits the board
> >> > SET.
>
> At Sun, 12 Jan 2025 17:09:10 -0000 (UTC) root <NoEMail@home.org> wrote:
> >> An enclosure is purely cosmetic. I attached my Pi5 to a piece of
> >> cardboard with zip-ties and hung it down the back of my desk.
>
> On 2025-01-12, Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> wrote:
> > Mine is mounted on a VESA mount on the back of my TV (which is also my
> > monitor).
>
> I have this apparently obsolete idea that a CPU should have a heatsink
> and a fan (even if it might never need to turn on), and naked PCB
> assemblies scare the wife (and her cleaning lady). And the wiring closet
> (the 10 inches under the bottom shelf in a hallway closet) where my
> router, wiring panel and root switch live) is a dark and tangled place
> where mice may occasionally crawl up from under the house.

My Pi4 and Pi5 both have heatsinks and fans. The Pi5 also has a PCI/M.2 "HAT"
with a SSD. It is probably a good thing that your wife & cleaning lady give
the Pi a wide berth. Somehow I don't think cleaning fluids would be good for
it.

>
>

--
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Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services
http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services
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On 13/01/2025 13:40, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 12/01/2025 14:52, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>> Yes, but then I'd have to find or make an enclosure that fits the board
>>> SET.
>
> On 2025-01-12, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> That's what 3D printers are for...:-)
>
> Sorry, mechanical design, 3D drafting - not in my skill set. And
> neither I nor my friends have a 3D printer. And while it might be
> interesting to learn, it is too much of a detour at my age of 74.
> I could just buy a Protectli like the one I use at the office, but
> things for the home should be cheap.
>
Well I am seventy four too...

> https://www.amazon.com/Firewall-Appliance-Gigabit-Celeron-AES-NI/dp/B07G9NHRGQ/
>
> Looking at this, I see they have a two-port version for USD 219 with
> 32GB onbord storage, or USD 259 with 250GB NVMe. That is tempting.
> The 4-porter at the office was a lot more expensive than that.
>
> Spec says USB type C console port. I wonder how that works. Intended for
> a USB-to-RS232 adapter?

--
In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act.

- George Orwell

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 13/01/2025 09:16, D wrote:
>> Are there any memory cards that are more resistant to corruption during
>> power outtage?
>
> I think its more the reverse, its during power on the problems arise, as they
> need fscking..
>
> ..Except mine doesn't. Since it is never written to. They key is to eliminate
> all writes to the SD card apart from unavoidable config changes. Stop logging
> or send it to a ram disk. If you need scratch files put those on ramdisk too.
>
> I've got a full record somewhere of everything I did to turn off logging or
> redirect it to a ram log
>
> If you can adjust your mindset to think of the SD card as EPROM, not a disk,
> it helps

This is good advice, and I did follow some random tutorial a long time
ago, but since I reinstall I am certain those changes are no longer
active. Good point and thank you for the reminder! I will have to redo the
minimization of all logging!

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 13/01/2025 09:17, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/01/2025 18:33, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/01/2025 23:41, D wrote:
>>>>>> Fun fact... when Ericsson built out cell phone
>>>>>> networks in africa, they quickly discovered that every base station
>>>>>> needed
>>>>>> guards. If not, as soon as they were built, and the crew left, some
>>>>>> local tribes
>>>>>> dismantled it and sold it as junk.
>>>>>
>>>>> Musk got that one right with Starlink. Kinda hard to pillage a satellite
>>>>> 60 miles overhead..
>>>>
>>>> You just wait! I am certain shortly they will construct state of the art
>>>> crossbows and shoot them down. ;)
>>> Did you see the Ukrainian drone with a shotgun? Shot down 2 drones and
>>> terminated a Russian in a trench.
>>
>> Really?! Truly life imitates usenet art! ;) Do you have a link?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auU6i6zLxvc

This is some classic, good, old fashioned eastern european thinking right
there!

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:

> Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> wrote:
>>>> Yes, but then I'd have to find or make an enclosure that fits the board
>>>> SET.
>
> At Sun, 12 Jan 2025 17:09:10 -0000 (UTC) root <NoEMail@home.org> wrote:
>>> An enclosure is purely cosmetic. I attached my Pi5 to a piece of
>>> cardboard with zip-ties and hung it down the back of my desk.
>
> On 2025-01-12, Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> wrote:
>> Mine is mounted on a VESA mount on the back of my TV (which is also my
>> monitor).
>
> I have this apparently obsolete idea that a CPU should have a heatsink
> and a fan (even if it might never need to turn on), and naked PCB
> assemblies scare the wife (and her cleaning lady). And the wiring closet
> (the 10 inches under the bottom shelf in a hallway closet) where my
> router, wiring panel and root switch live) is a dark and tangled place
> where mice may occasionally crawl up from under the house.
>

The mice are easy to deal with. I have put up tiny portraits of Donald
Trump at mouse height and that scares away the mice.

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> LP>> Wife and I just watched a Danish documentary movie about a restaurant
> LP>> group that moved a Michelin starred restaurant from Torshavn (Faroes) to
> LP>> a village in on the edge of the Disko Ice Fjord in West Greenland. The
>
> On 2025-01-12, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> D> Why would they do that? Sounds like bad business to me. On the other hand,
> D> I'm not running a restaurant. =)
>>
> D> Does your wife speak danish or did you AI-translate the subtitles?
> D> Sometimes I can rip documentaries including swedish subtitles from
> D> svtplay.se and then automatically translate the subtitles so that it works
> D> for my wife as well.
>
> My wife is EN (US) only. The movie in question had no subtitles. The
> sound track was a mish-mash of English, Danish, Faroese, Greenlandish
> and unintelligible. I think they had intended to pdut English subtitles
> on it, but ran out of money in postproduction. Nevertheless, I could
> explain to her what was happening most of the time.
>
> Amazon Prime video gave us an interesting selection when we search for
> "Danish movie" from the home screen, almost all of them with English
> subtitles; one of them even had a dubbed-in English soundtrack.

There are only two danish shows that any man needs to live a happy and
fulfilled life...

Riget and Klovn!

Danish humour is the best politically incorrect humor on the planet! My
father enjoys Badehotellet, so that might become necessary too once you
retire. ;)

> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> LP>> My company does a fair amount of engineering support work for the CTBTO
> LP>> (the Preparatory commission for the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty
> LP>> Organization) which maintains dozens of infrasound monitoring stations
> LP>> in remote parts of the world. My business partner/boss likes to come
> LP>> along on a site visit once in a while. Easter Island, Robinson Crusoe
> LP>> Island, Alice Springs, Warramunga. (Not so keen on going to Djibouti,
> LP>> Tristan da Cunha.) These maintenance/field upgrade visits are planned
>
> On 2025-01-12, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> D> Wow! What ever they are paying you to go to those places, I am certain it
> D> is not enough. You would have to pay me several 100s of thousands of
> D> dollars before I would voluntarily travel there.
>
> A lot of people have Easter Island on their bucket list, so a paid trip
> there is not too bad. Robinson Crusoe is less well known, and the
....
> for the next boat a month or two later. And the schedule yields to
> weather conditions. I think they have 3 round trips in the summer only.

Shudder. I really do not like travel. I've been forced, by business and
overly travel happy parents, to visit too many countries in a life time.
My greatest wish is to be still, in one place.

> D> This is worrying. Does it not worry you that you have the world government
> D> as your customer? How do you deal with the ethical dilemmas that implies?
>
> World government my ass. A government with no army? It is a debating
> society. But even so, it does useful things. The global data collection

Haha, well, this is the truth!

> of the CTBTO has found many applications in all sorts of research.
>
> (PS: I'd be interested in hearing about you life in the South Baltic
> area, but that seems too far from the topics here. Maybe email me
> - my info in the headers is true and functional.)

Interested? Well, I'll shoot you an email. Please feel free to ask away.
=)

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:26:02 +0100, D wrote:

> The company should have offered language classes for everyones safety!
> This sounds like swedish/danish cooperative ventures, where each group
> insist that the other can understand them, since the language are so
> close. This never works.

Some of the extra material on the Bron/Broen DVDs mentioned that :) One of
the Swedish actresses mentioned being on a bus in Copenhagen, hearing a
girl say 'skumfidus', and thinking it must be something dirty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqgRC5sfCaQ

That may work for Swedes and Danes too. Our PBS shows are often British
but late on Saturday nights they can be more diverse. They're subtitled
but the one last Saturday was strange. It wasn't German but it sounded
like something I should understand, if that makes any sense, unlike French
or Italian shows.

The molding plant I referred to had moved from Connecticut to rural
Georgia, attracted by cheap labor. They had not taken into account the
difference in work ethic. As the week progressed the work force thinned
out. By Friday there weren't many people besides our crew and the foreman
who had relocated from Connecticut. I think he was in his 40's but had a
heart attack, possibly brought on by dealing with the frustration.

The town was dry so we had to go to Athens, about 30 miles away, for R&R.
The university was there so it was a little more civilized. Madison billed
itself as the only town Sherman didn't burn on his way to the sea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison,_Georgia

This was the early '70s and southern rock was just starting to take off. I
had long hair and a beard and after staring at me for a while the busboy
at the local restaurant finally worked up the courage to come over and ask
'Are y'all one of them rock musicians?" About 10 years later Athens would
spawn R.E.M as rural Georgia caught up with the US.

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 04:02:20 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> And yes, I'm old enough to remember the tail end of "Jim Crow" - SEEN
> "Whites Only"/"Colored" drinking fountains and waiting rooms and
> such.

I was about 10 when I saw my first 'colored' drinking fountain. A couple
of pharmacies at home still had snow globes and somehow I expected a
colored drinking fountain to dispense colored water.

https://artsci.case.edu/dittrick/2014/12/12/the-colorful-chemistry-of-
show-globes/

An elderly, at least in my eyes, white woman disabused me of that notion.
"You don't drink from that!" That was the same year when George Wallace,
who was actually moderate for his time and place, lost the election and
said 'I will never be out-niggered again'.

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:29:32 +0100, D wrote:

> Come to think of it... swedes focus more on biker gangs. Very few
> arabians in biker gangs. Very racist!

'Sons of Anarchy' was a fictional drama but it touched on reality at
times. The Mongols are Hispanics while the Angels, Banditos, and others
are white. There isn't much diversity.

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:33:17 +0100, D wrote:

> That's horrible! Don't they know that if they make love to a black man,
> they can become black themselves! It's contagious!

What they usually become is a single mother with a mulatto child, not the
hottest commodity on the market. Obama's are few and far between.

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:28:54 +0100, D wrote:

> Did von Braun leave any personal notes behind when he died? Would be fun
> to read his thoughts on the subject!

https://www.loc.gov/item/mm77044172

He left a lot to search through. He was an advocate of education which
must have been frustrating in the Huntsville of his era.

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 20:50:10 +0100, D wrote:

> This is some classic, good, old fashioned eastern european thinking
> right there!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW__dtgC7y8

Then there's good old Yankee ingenuity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBBC-xL_MTg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS1KFmFw2Dw

So far the local airsoft warriors don't have drones although they have
built some elaborate fortifications in an area I hike. I try to avoid them
and the paintball crews and make them aware I'm a non-combatant and do not
carry non-lethal rounds.

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 13:47:53 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:

> It simplifies my life when all my Linux systems have the same system
> administration interfaces. I made the mistake of putting Centos 7 on a
> Wordpress server in the cloud that I set up for my daughter's kiddie
> pictures. It is now orphaned, and if I want to update it, I would have
> to reverse engineer her customizations of Wordpress to back them up so I
> could do a complete reinstall transparently (to her).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHGTs1NSB1s

I play with different distributions but I'm the same. I just want
something to install so I can get on with life. This box is Ubuntu which
isn't my favorite. However the first attempt to install Kubuntu didn't go
well and I had a Ubuntu iso on hand.

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:32:05 +0100, D wrote:

> Once my wife complains too loudly, this is _exactly_ what I will try! My
> estimate is that the next time the tape let's go, and it sort of sticks
> out from behind the tv, that is the time I will be going down the velcro
> or double sided tape route.

amazon.com/VELCRO-Brand-Sticky-Fasteners-Perfect/dp/B000TGUOCO/

I've had excellent luck with these and they're easy to find locally. If
anything they stick a little too good although I've never had the adhesive
part pull away.

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 03:56:38 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 1/12/25 7:19 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 14:40:46 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>
>>> I think it was 1981 that Motorola announced the LANCE chip, which made
>>> Ethernet practical. Lots of companies designed products around it, but
>>> in the end it was 2 years late to ship production quantities.
>>
>> The early '80s were insane. Companies were quoting delivery dates out a
>> year or more. If you could dangle a high volume order you might get
>> better treatment but the company I was with didn't operate on that
>> scale. The 8751 would have been a better choice but we could get 8749s.
>
>
> Motorola made GOOD chips for a span.
>
> The 6809/68000s were GREAT.
>
> A lot of their peripherial chips were GREAT too.
>
> They were a real player.
>
> But SOMETHING went wrong ... price/volume/quality as time went on.
>
> NOT such an unusual story alas.
>
> SO many chip lines FAILED ... and not always for lack of merit.

There are a lot of twists in Motorola's story. When FreeScale was spun off
it went back to the roots in the automotive industry. Palm used the
DragonBall but that dried up.The FreeScale got bought.

Somehow they blew phones and other consumer products. What became Motorola
Solutions still is the 500 pound gorilla in the public safety sector, at
least as far as hardware. There are several challengers for the computer
aided dispatch software.

On 2025-01-13, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 13/01/2025 09:17, D wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Did you see the Ukrainian drone with a shotgun? Shot down 2 drones and
>>>> terminated a Russian in a trench.
>>>
>>> Really?! Truly life imitates usenet art! ;) Do you have a link?
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auU6i6zLxvc
>
> This is some classic, good, old fashioned eastern european thinking right
> there!

Impressive. It reminds me of that Monty Python sketch
where Eric Idle says, "What about pointed sticks?"

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey

At 13 Jan 2025 23:03:02 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>
> On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:32:05 +0100, D wrote:
>
> > Once my wife complains too loudly, this is _exactly_ what I will try! My
> > estimate is that the next time the tape let's go, and it sort of sticks
> > out from behind the tv, that is the time I will be going down the velcro
> > or double sided tape route.
>
> amazon.com/VELCRO-Brand-Sticky-Fasteners-Perfect/dp/B000TGUOCO/
>
> I've had excellent luck with these and they're easy to find locally. If
> anything they stick a little too good although I've never had the adhesive
> part pull away.

This is what I have, unfortunately, Adafruit no longer stocks it.

(Not that it would be hard to make, say out of 1/8" thick birch plywood or
lexan or PVC, etc.)

https://www.adafruit.com/product/2534

>
>
>

--
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Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services
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On 1/13/25 4:32 AM, D wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>> On 1/12/25 1:42 PM, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, root wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, but then I'd have to find or make an enclosure that fits the
>>>>> board
>>>>> SET.
>>>>
>>>> An enclosure is purely cosmetic. I attached my Pi5 to a piece of
>>>> cardboard with zip-ties and hung it down the back of my desk.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My other TV computer, a radxa zero, dangles off the hdmi cable, and
>>> I've attached it to the back of the OLED tv with some tape. It's
>>> lived happily there for a year or so at the moment.
>>
>>  Try Velcro or double-sided tape ... works great for
>>  sticking a Pi to whatever  :-)
>
> Once my wife complains too loudly, this is _exactly_ what I will try! My
> estimate is that the next time the tape let's go, and it sort of sticks
> out from behind the tv, that is the time I will be going down the velcro
> or double sided tape route. ;)

I think it was rbowman I was talking to - the
boss wanted 'muzak' for the office. So, I took
an old Pi-1/256mb and a few long muzak tracks
from 70s shopping malls and sneaked the wiring
into the PA system. The tracks rotate every
month. Worked for a dozen years and likely STILL
does - so long as none of the muzak haters FIND
the thing.

There was about an inch behind where the PBX system
was ... so I velcroed the unit to the back of the
PBX box where it's almost perfectly invisible :-)

Proper muzak - you shouldn't actually HEAR it unless
you TRY. Keeps some little corner of the brain occupied
and, according to some, thus actually improves performance
on other tasks.

On 2025-01-13, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
> On 1/12/25 7:07 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2025-01-12, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The 8086 would have been better, but the extra wiring
>>> apparently would have pushed up the price too much
>>> according to some old interview with an IBM guy.
>>> They didn't KNOW it would be super-successful, so they
>>> kinda hedged their bets, split the diff. 640k banks
>>> were a hell of a lot better than 64k banks.
>>
>> The 64K barrier was alive and well on the 8086/8.
>> I wrote a lot of horrible code to deal with large arrays.
>> Then there were all the memory models: tiny, small, large,
>> huge... yuck.
>>
>>> The instructions for the 8088 were "familiar" to
>>> anyone who did the 8008/8080 and not TOO far
>>> from Z-80 sensibility - so I think that cinched Intel
>>> as the maker. WISH they'd used the 68000s. Ever
>>> see the Sage boxes ... gone alas before I could
>>> afford one .......
>>
>> I got into the Amiga and enjoyed the 68000 that way.
>
> Alas I spent big $$$ and bought the very first Amiga
> model. NOTHING but "Guru Meditation" errors ... dumped
> the thing and bought a PC clone.
>
> The little Macs were cute - but kinda expensive and
> had that weird 'Apple mentality' - so never bought one.
> At my age now I'd need special glasses just to read
> the tiny screen :-)
>
> I remember Tandy had a TRS model that'd take a 68k
> add-on board, ran some version of CP/M-68k. Again
> out of my price range at the time.
>
> So, alas, my exposure to the 68k series wound up
> being limited. Too bad, it WAS a great chip for
> the time. Apparently Intel could just produce
> more for cheaper and won The War.
>
> Haven't researched it in detail, but it's said the
> 68k's ultimately had 'scalability issues' - ie
> it wasn't easy to change the architecture, not
> easy to go forwards. They could make slightly
> faster versions, but no Great Leaps.
>
> You can still buy 68000 chips from DigiKey and
> Mouser - about nine bucks - and the 'ColdFire'
> successors. STILL useful and used for embedded
> apps, esp 'devices'. Good ideas persist.

In ~1982, my EE senior project in college was a small board with
a 68k on it to go in a box that could whole up to a whole 1MB of
RAM. Of course, the 68k was in a socket. However, the socket
was bad. Prying the 64-pin large DIP CPU from the socket was
nothing compared to unsoldering each of socket pin from the
board, then cleaning the holes enough to install a new socket.

--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

On 14 Jan 2025 03:42:40 GMT, Robert Riches wrote:

> In ~1982, my EE senior project in college was a small board with a 68k
> on it to go in a box that could whole up to a whole 1MB of RAM. Of
> course, the 68k was in a socket. However, the socket was bad. Prying
> the 64-pin large DIP CPU from the socket was nothing compared to
> unsoldering each of socket pin from the board, then cleaning the holes
> enough to install a new socket.

ZIFs are nice but were seldom used in commercial boards in that era. 40
pin devices were bad enough.

On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 00:52:42 -0000 (UTC), Robert Heller wrote:

> This is what I have, unfortunately, Adafruit no longer stocks it.
>
> (Not that it would be hard to make, say out of 1/8" thick birch plywood
> or lexan or PVC, etc.)
>
> https://www.adafruit.com/product/2534

https://vilros.com/products/vesa-mount-for-raspberry-pi

I've never ordered from Vilros, but $10 with free shipping sounds good.
Amazon carries a lot of Vilros stuff and it was a toss between that and
Canakit for me, but not the mount. The mounts they do have are more
expensive.

It's been my sad experience that unless I have the materials laying around
DIY projects end up costing more in the long run.