"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
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> On 8/29/24 5:38 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:9govcjh680sjghvcoo7q4nidsb0flr87je@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 08:34:36 -0500, "Scout"
>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Then keeping in mind that government is buying in BULK. Na, government
>>>> equipment is OK, but civilian is far superior.
>>>
>>> So ... Colt sent our guys into combat zones with faulty rifles in order
>>> to
>>> increase their profits?
>>
>> Nope, they fulfilled the specifications set by the government. If the
>> government produced specifications that resulted in an inferior weapon...
>> seems to me the fault is on the government for their poor specifications.
>
>
> It is telling that you're needing to reach back ~60 years to find a
> deficient specification to claim as your 'proof' that supposedly holds
> true to this day.

No, You would have to talk to Swill about that.. he's the one that picked
the gun and the time frame.

Do try to keep up...

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
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> On 8/29/24 6:23 PM, Scout wrote:
>
>> "-hh" wrote:
>>> On 8/28/24 10:56 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>> "-hh" wrote:
>>>>> On 8/27/24 1:16 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>> "-hh" wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/26/24 9:56 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>> -hh says...
>>>>>>>>> On 8/25/24 2:16 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> -hh says...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/24/24 4:04 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any event, the saga of the popular civilian adoption of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AR is an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting one, particularly in light of how little the DoD
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pays for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them relative to how much they retail for in the civilian
>>>>>>>>>>>>> market...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just a gun.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't matter: a poor value product is still a poor value
>>>>>>>>>>> product.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe you buy cheap shit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Quite the opposite: the manufacturing which fails to meet MIL
>>>>>>>>> standards
>>>>>>>>> gets re-binned & sold off in the civilian market distribution
>>>>>>>>> channel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and that's despite how the MIL contracts has significantly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> higher QA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and testing expenses in their manufacturing overhead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's still just a gun.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So? The point is that there's a large bunch of fools who pay
>>>>>>>>>>> too much.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So? Why do you care?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Its the same fools who try the "derp! it wasn't an M16, but an
>>>>>>>>> M16A2!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It comes down to marketing hype for a profitable product, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> automakers push SUVs because they're more profitable for them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Guns don't kill people.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So then if they're so harmless, you're saying that you're also
>>>>>>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>>>>>> to take the same risk of being hit by a few rounds...right?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The gun didn't shoot them. The person holding the gun did.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> After all, you've defended the claim that "its just a fancy
>>>>>>>>>>> .22!" /s
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is. and how it's used is up to the person holding it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So you going to stand downrange to take a few 'mosquito bites' or
>>>>>>>>> not?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's still just a gun.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure is. My point is to not get mad at those who *laugh* at those
>>>>>>> who fail to do their homework & pay twice as much as its actually
>>>>>>> worth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm.. So tell me how exactly did you determine it's worth half of
>>>>>> what people are paying and why hasn't someone come along selling it
>>>>>> at a 25% discount and still making a fortune?
>>>>>
>>>>> a) historical DoD contract prices; b) IP restricts copycats.
>>>>
>>>> You do realize that most people only buy 1 or 2 at a time.. nothing
>>>> THOUSANDS.
>>>
>>> But there's hundreds of thousands of them, and (1)*(500K) = (500K)*(1)
>>
>> Yep, when 500K are buying guns one at a time.. it's more expensive than
>> one person buying 500K guns.
>
> Except you've already noted that individuals typically can't buy direct
> from the gunmakers, so your claim isn't relevant or valid.

On the contrary.. the added middle men are going to absolutely increase the
price for them since they are going to have to be making money as well..

Which just further undermines your WHOLE argument... thanks for pointing out
the weakness in your argument.

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
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> On 8/29/24 6:25 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>> news:vaoh67$3m34v$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 8/28/24 10:57 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:vald68$339at$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 8/27/24 1:29 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:vake0k$2vdj8$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 8/26/24 7:38 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>>>>> In news:vahrqn$24i6v$2@dont-email.me, -hh
>>>>>>>> <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
>>>>>>>> typed:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 8/25/24 2:16 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <vafpij$210a8$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/24/24 4:04 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh says...
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any event, the saga of the popular civilian adoption of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AR is an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting one, particularly in light of how little the DoD
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pays for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them relative to how much they retail for in the civilian
>>>>>>>>>>>>> market...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just a gun.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't matter: a poor value product is still a poor value
>>>>>>>>>>> product.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe you buy cheap shit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Quite the opposite: the manufacturing which fails to meet MIL
>>>>>>>>> standards
>>>>>>>>> gets re-binned & sold off in the civilian market distribution
>>>>>>>>> channel....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not in the U.S.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With ~99% parts commonality, why wouldn't both be coming off of the
>>>>>>> same production line?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, most of the military stuff is probably what didn't pass quality
>>>>>> control standards for the civilian market.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After all the government has no issues buying a 5 MOA rifle..
>>>>>
>>>>> I said 0.5 MOA, not 5 MOA.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure YOU did.. the government however, did not.
>>>
>>> Done with different sample sizes and testing conditions that your range
>>> buddies who claim 1-2 MOA in reality
>>
>> Yawn.. I see you flapping your lips, but I don't see you actually proving
>> anything.
>
> No need to, because you already have tacitly admitted that you lost by you
> snipping the rest of my statement:
>
> [quote]
> Done with different sample sizes and testing conditions that your range
> buddies who claim 1-2 MOA in reality always play fast & loose with, with
> extensive "mulligans" to not admit that their $1200 gun has got only a
> mediocre barrel.

Sorry, I wasn't aware that your opinions somehow constituted anything other
than your opinion.

Are you some how asserting your opinions determine fact?

> Plus statistically, the contractor will pass that test consistently, time
> & time & time again, which requires a substantially lower true dispersion
> average than whatever the test limit is: figure 3+ standard
> deviations...or more, when its an AOZ requirement in the contract.
> [/quote]
>
> Knowing how cheaters try to cheat was simply another part of the job.

And yet, you've not actually shown that. You've tried to get me to do you
work, but looks like if you want to prove your point, you're going to
actually have to do the work yourself.

"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 19:28:52 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Inferiority complex? Lol, it's M$ and Apple that should have that,
>>with their proprietary copies of Unix. I mean, macOS is legitimately
>>Unix in a way Winblows isn't, I know, but yet that has nothing to do
>>with the Apple-centric GUI stuff, which is mostly what these Apple
>>fanboys are using. Obviously, there are things Win11 and macOS can
>>do, that are special for specific people doing specific things, but
>>for a person just wanting an OS to use the Internet, Linux is
>>profoundly the winner.
>
> And the vast majority of users don't care.

For once I agree with Swill.... The users generally don't care how the
machine takes their input to produce the results they desire.. they just
want it to do so.

Unix, MacOS, Windows, Dos, Pascal, C++, Fortran or even Plankalkul.. they
just want it to work.

You're the one that seems to have the hard on for how the computing is
carried out..

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>Inferiority complex? Lol, it's M$ and Apple that should have that,
>>>with their proprietary copies of Unix. I mean, macOS is legitimately
>>>Unix in a way Winblows isn't, I know, but yet that has nothing to do
>>>with the Apple-centric GUI stuff, which is mostly what these Apple
>>>fanboys are using. Obviously, there are things Win11 and macOS can
>>>do, that are special for specific people doing specific things, but
>>>for a person just wanting an OS to use the Internet, Linux is
>>>profoundly the winner.
>>
>>And the vast majority of users don't care.
>
>
> The market for OEM computers isn't what it once was, though.

Naturally, Generic is almost always better than OEM particularly when it
comes to price or customizable performance.

After all, I seriously doubt YOUR computer is OEM anything, must less OEM
Linux.

> People
> are using phones. The market for PC users who would install their own
> OS is relatively high, now.

But still is just a portion of the pre-installed market.

> I'm not saying Linux has taken over, but
> it's made strides.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/272667/market-share-held-by-operating-systems-in-the-us-since-2009/

You mean wiggling along at the bottom of the graph?

Governor Swill wrote:
> So, tell us more about how the government pays extra

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill wrote:
> Linux based?

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

On 8/30/24 12:56 PM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> news:var0gv$5ok0$2@dont-email.me...
>> On 8/29/24 6:25 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>> news:vaoh67$3m34v$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 8/28/24 10:57 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:vald68$339at$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> On 8/27/24 1:29 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:vake0k$2vdj8$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>> On 8/26/24 7:38 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In news:vahrqn$24i6v$2@dont-email.me, -hh
>>>>>>>>> <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
>>>>>>>>> typed:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/25/24 2:16 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <vafpij$210a8$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
>>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/24/24 4:04 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh says...
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any event, the saga of the popular civilian adoption of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the AR is an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting one, particularly in light of how little the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DoD pays for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them relative to how much they retail for in the civilian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> market...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just a gun.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't matter:  a poor value product is still a poor value
>>>>>>>>>>>> product.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe you buy cheap shit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Quite the opposite: the manufacturing which fails to meet MIL
>>>>>>>>>> standards
>>>>>>>>>> gets re-binned & sold off in the civilian market distribution
>>>>>>>>>> channel....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not in the U.S.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With ~99% parts commonality, why wouldn't both be coming off of
>>>>>>>> the same production line?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, most of the military stuff is probably what didn't pass
>>>>>>> quality control standards for the civilian market.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After all the government has no issues buying a 5 MOA rifle..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I said 0.5 MOA, not 5 MOA.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure YOU did.. the government however, did not.
>>>>
>>>> Done with different sample sizes and testing conditions that your
>>>> range buddies who claim 1-2 MOA in reality
>>>
>>> Yawn.. I see you flapping your lips, but I don't see you actually
>>> proving anything.
>>
>> No need to, because you already have tacitly admitted that you lost by
>> you snipping the rest of my statement:
>>
>> [quote]
>> Done with different sample sizes and testing conditions that your
>> range buddies who claim 1-2 MOA in reality always play fast & loose
>> with, with extensive "mulligans" to not admit that their $1200 gun has
>> got only a mediocre barrel.
>
> Sorry, I wasn't aware that your opinions somehow constituted anything
> other than your opinion.
>
> Are you some how asserting your opinions determine fact?

I'm being lazy by generalizing.
Below gives me the license to do so.

<https://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2012/coin+X.jpg>

Those who know, know.

Plus I could also go pull out my AMU mug that WO had given me for work I
did with them, but its at home in a kitchen cabinet, so no photo (yet).

>> Plus statistically, the contractor will pass that test consistently,
>> time & time & time again, which requires a substantially lower true
>> dispersion average than whatever the test limit is:  figure 3+
>> standard deviations...or more, when its an AOZ requirement in the
>> contract.
>> [/quote]
>>
>> Knowing how cheaters try to cheat was simply another part of the job.
>
> And yet, you've not actually shown that. You've tried to get me to do
> you work, but looks like if you want to prove your point, you're going
> to actually have to do the work yourself.

Its been sufficient to show that you don't even know what the relevant
tools are, let alone how to use it.

I might get around to doing the stochastic conversion myself, but I'll
need to unpack my bookshelf to re-locate one of my copies of Grubbs; my
priority isn't you, but some exterior windows that need some work before
Fall and the beginning of heating season. Got one window done today.

-hh

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
news:3134djhcte6au3is58a9uif4ec2askp4dc@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 11:02:11 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The market for OEM computers isn't what it once was, though. People
>>are using phones. The market for PC users who would install their own
>>OS is relatively high, now. I'm not saying Linux has taken over, but
>>it's made strides.
>
> So android is Linux based?
>
Yup.
============
Android is a mobile operating system based on a modified version of the
Linux kernel and other open-source software,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)

Joel wrote:

> -highhorse wrote:
>>
>>of the major desktop OSs, the one today whose advocates
>>still have a huge inferiority complex is ... Linux.

This is what a snit, like -highhorse, does when his idiocy has been
demonstrated. Change the subject, make up some insulting nonsense,
and go on the attack.

A snit must always stay on the attack.

> Inferiority complex?

That's exactly what -highhorse has. That's why he attacks his moral
and intellectual superiors.

--
"What's happened is that the advocates have been beaten by the
implications of their own words." - lying asshole "-hh", lying
shamelessly

-hh wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>>I don't need to read your made-up nonsense, -highhorse. I saw what
>>Joel quoted of it. It was as expected, from you.

IOW, garbage.

> (snipped, unread)

-hh wrote:

>Principles of capitalism & free market says it can't be these middlemen.

It says no such thing. This is classic -highhorse, just making things
up.

On 8/31/24 7:30 AM, chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> Principles of capitalism & free market says it can't be these middlemen.
>
> It says no such thing. This is classic -highhorse, just making things
> up.
>

Hey kids! Look at how chrisv snipped, as he tries to dishonestly change
what was actually being said.

Here's the full context:

[quote]
The problem with your attempted counterpoint is that it doesn't match
the scale of the cost discrepancy: the middlemen are fungible, which
means that they have to compete based on lower prices = low margins.

So then, just _who_ is pocketing the huge ~100% markup vs what DoD pays?
Principles of capitalism & free market says it can't be these middlemen.
[/quote]

By snipping & sniping to dodge the question, chrisv is simply affirming
my prior comment about how he doesn't comprehend basic economics.

-hh

-hh wrote:
>
> By snipping & sniping to dodge the question

Fuck off Huntzy, you treasonous leftarded worm.

--
⛨ 🥐🥖🗼

Le 29-08-2024, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :
> The problem is to convince the legions of total idiots that have
> been conditioned, like Pavlov's dog, to Microslop/Apphole.

Why? Why do you need to convince others to do like you?

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>Le 29-08-2024, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :
>
>> The problem is to convince the legions of total idiots that have
>> been conditioned, like Pavlov's dog, to Microslop/Apphole.
>
>Why? Why do you need to convince others to do like you?

'Cause he's a dickface. I couldn't care less if people want to pay
for M$/Apple crapware, more power to them, but I'm gonna go my own way
nevertheless. I had my fun with Windows over the years, it's over,
with Win11 just going to the Nth degree of bloatware.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Mittens Romney wrote:

>-hh wrote:
>>
>> By snipping & sniping to dodge the question
>
> Fuck off Huntzy, you treasonous leftarded worm.

Typical retail markup is 50%. There may be other middlemen taking
their cut, also.

--
"Translation: you're tired of constantly being beaten." - lying
asshole "-hh", lying shamelessly

On 9/1/24 7:35 AM, chrisv wrote:
> Mittens Romney wrote:
>
>> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>> By snipping & sniping to dodge the question
>>
>> Fuck off Huntzy, you treasonous leftarded worm.
>
> Typical retail markup is 50%.

Depends on the industry. The more that the product is a fungible
commodity, the less markup it can demand: Capitalism 101.

I've worked in some industries where the distribution structure was very
flat (eliminates middleman cuts) & a half percentage was the difference.

-hh

-hh wrote:

>The point is that there's a large bunch of fools who pay too much.

What's amazing is that, in the past, when anyone has claimed that
-highhorse paid too much for something, he would always chalk it up to
"envy" on their part. Hypocrite alert = Oops.

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in news:vb1k2l$1fpao$1@dont-
email.me:

> On 9/1/24 7:35 AM, chrisv wrote:
>> Mittens Romney wrote:
>>
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> By snipping & sniping to dodge the question
>>>
>>> Fuck off Huntzy, you treasonous leftarded worm.
>>
>> Typical retail markup is 50%.
>
>
> Depends on the industry. The more that the product is a fungible
> commodity, the less markup it can demand: Capitalism 101.
>
> I've worked in some industries where the distribution structure was very
> flat (eliminates middleman cuts) & a half percentage was the difference.
>
They talk a lot about tiny margins, yet somehow can pay their executives
multi-millions in salary/benefits/etc.

On 9/1/24 9:57 AM, chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> The point is that there's a large bunch of fools who pay too much.
>
> What's amazing is that, in the past, when anyone has claimed that
> -highhorse paid too much for something, he would always chalk it up to
> "envy" on their part. Hypocrite alert = Oops.

Hey kids, here's chrisv again with his butthurt on display.

Here, he's had to reach back a full week to an old post from 8/25 on a
subthread to try to make a 'dig' by selective quoting.

The other part of that post said:

"Doesn't matter: a poor value product is still a poor value product."

Its now incumbent on chrisv to show where and in what context that
someone (preferably not a know-nothing COLA FOSS fanboy) has been able
to prove one of these "paid too much".

And this "cite please" has been given to chrisv before too.
Here's an example from 96 months ago:

<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/eHDD4Zex1rE/m/z5ToETjzCwAJ>

BTW, in finding this old chrisv loss, a comment there from DFS...

<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/eHDD4Zex1rE/m/l459zBkKDAAJ>

....has now reminded me that chrisv is now $38,400 in arrears at paying
off the bet that he lost to me.

-hh

On 9/1/24 12:38 PM, -hh wrote:
> On 9/1/24 9:57 AM, chrisv wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>
>>> The point is that there's a large bunch of fools who pay too much.
>>
>> What's amazing is that, in the past, when anyone has claimed that
>> -highhorse paid too much for something, he would always chalk it up to
>> "envy" on their part.  Hypocrite alert = Oops.
>
>
> Hey kids, here's chrisv again with his butthurt on display.
>
> Here, he's had to reach back a full week to an old post from 8/25 on a
> subthread to try to make a 'dig' by selective quoting.
>
>
> The other part of that post said:
>
> "Doesn't matter:  a poor value product is still a poor value product."
>
>
> Its now incumbent on chrisv to show where and in what context that
> someone (preferably not a know-nothing COLA FOSS fanboy) has been able
> to prove one of these "paid too much".
>
> And this "cite please" has been given to chrisv before too.
> Here's an example from 96 months ago:
>
> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/eHDD4Zex1rE/m/z5ToETjzCwAJ>
>
>
>
> BTW, in finding this old chrisv loss, a comment there from DFS...
>
> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/eHDD4Zex1rE/m/l459zBkKDAAJ>
>
>
> ...has now reminded me that chrisv is now $38,400 in arrears at paying
> off the bet that he lost to me.
>
>
> -hh

Are you another troll?
You keep X-posting the same long winded garbage to multiple groups.
Has anyone figured out what this person is flapping his lips about?
--
Luke

On 8/31/2024 5:41 PM, Joel wrote:
> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>> Le 29-08-2024, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :
>>
>>> The problem is to convince the legions of total idiots that have
>>> been conditioned, like Pavlov's dog, to Microslop/Apphole.
>>
>> Why? Why do you need to convince others to do like you?
>
>
> 'Cause he's a dickface. I couldn't care less if people want to pay
> for M$/Apple crapware, more power to them, but I'm gonna go my own way
> nevertheless. I had my fun with Windows over the years, it's over,
> with Win11 just going to the Nth degree of bloatware.

openSUSE Leap recommended

CPU : Pentium 4 2.4 GHz or higher or any AMD64 or Intel64 processor
Memory : 2 GB
Storage : 40+ GB

https://en.opensuse.org/Hardware_requirements

Win11: MS no longer has the balls to state recommended hardware, but
required:

CPU : 1GHz or higher
Memory : 4 GB
Storage : 64GB

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications?r=1

MS claims 64GB storage is required, but Win11 Pro and all my usual apps
(about 15 of them) uses only 40GB.

I'd go with twice the processor and RAM stated by openSuse and MS.

Your 'Nth degree of bloatware' doesn't hold water. Not even close.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>> Win11 [has gone] to the Nth degree of bloatware.
>
>openSUSE Leap recommended
>
>CPU : Pentium 4 2.4 GHz or higher or any AMD64 or Intel64 processor
>Memory : 2 GB
>Storage : 40+ GB
>
>https://en.opensuse.org/Hardware_requirements
>
>
>
>Win11: MS no longer has the balls to state recommended hardware, but
>required:
>
>CPU : 1GHz or higher
>Memory : 4 GB
>Storage : 64GB
>
>https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications?r=1
>
>MS claims 64GB storage is required, but Win11 Pro and all my usual apps
>(about 15 of them) uses only 40GB.
>
>I'd go with twice the processor and RAM stated by openSuse and MS.
>
>
>Your 'Nth degree of bloatware' doesn't hold water. Not even close.

To *boot* Win11 is one thing, to use it effectively is another. I
have a pretty nice computer, built the same year 11 came out, and it
was fine for the first couple years, but inevitably the bloat started
to annoy me. openSUSE Leap has been lean and mean.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 12:38:06 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>On 9/1/24 9:57 AM, chrisv wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>
>>> The point is that there's a large bunch of fools who pay too much.
>>
>> What's amazing is that, in the past, when anyone has claimed that
>> -highhorse paid too much for something, he would always chalk it up to
>> "envy" on their part. Hypocrite alert = Oops.
>
>
>Hey kids, here's chrisv again with his butthurt on display.
>
>Here, he's had to reach back a full week to an old post from 8/25 on a
>subthread to try to make a 'dig' by selective quoting.
>
>
>The other part of that post said:
>
>"Doesn't matter: a poor value product is still a poor value product."
>
>
>Its now incumbent on chrisv to show where and in what context that
>someone (preferably not a know-nothing COLA FOSS fanboy) has been able
>to prove one of these "paid too much".
>
>And this "cite please" has been given to chrisv before too.
>Here's an example from 96 months ago:
>
><https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/eHDD4Zex1rE/m/z5ToETjzCwAJ>

Does he *always* refuse to cite his claims?

My brother had a vasectomy a few years ago. He found out the hard way that
doesn't always work. AND it can make your baby black.
--
#NEVERtrump