rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>"our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. ...
>Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset."
>
>Fat Teddy Kennedy, hero of Chappaquiddick.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965

Ted Kennedy was baggage to the Democratic brand. Although a nice
enough fellow.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 15:15:12 -0400, Joel wrote:

> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>>"our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. ...
>>Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset."
>>
>>Fat Teddy Kennedy, hero of Chappaquiddick.
>>
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965
>
>
> Ted Kennedy was baggage to the Democratic brand. Although a nice enough
> fellow.

The 'baggage' was in the Senate from 1962 to 2009. He outdid Biden by a
long shot. That is the Democratic brand -- mediocrities. Unfortunately
mediocrities can pass laws.

Yeah, nice guy unless you were his date. He was from the asshole branch of
the family like the ones that mouthed off about RFK Jr.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 14:59:58 -0400, Joel wrote:

> I would almost believe this if Trump were going to win, but he isn't.
> Kamala will make him defeated again, and we will have our place in world
> power, maybe not the same "superpower", but we aren't going to be
> erased.

Do you think Que Mala will get a Nobel Peace Prize for being a female/
black/asian/white placeholder?

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>> Ted Kennedy was baggage to the Democratic brand. Although a nice enough
>> fellow.
>
>The 'baggage' was in the Senate from 1962 to 2009. He outdid Biden by a
>long shot. That is the Democratic brand -- mediocrities. Unfortunately
>mediocrities can pass laws.
>
>Yeah, nice guy unless you were his date. He was from the asshole branch of
>the family like the ones that mouthed off about RFK Jr.

You would consider RFK Jr. to not have deserved it? He made a mockery
of their family name.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>> I would almost believe this if Trump were going to win, but he isn't.
>> Kamala will make him defeated again, and we will have our place in world
>> power, maybe not the same "superpower", but we aren't going to be
>> erased.
>
>Do you think Que Mala will get a Nobel Peace Prize for being a female/
>black/asian/white placeholder?

Obama's Peace Prize was because of Iraq and Bush.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-09-20, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>>> Ted Kennedy was baggage to the Democratic brand. Although a nice enough
>>> fellow.
>>
>>The 'baggage' was in the Senate from 1962 to 2009. He outdid Biden by a
>>long shot. That is the Democratic brand -- mediocrities. Unfortunately
>>mediocrities can pass laws.
>>
>>Yeah, nice guy unless you were his date. He was from the asshole branch of
>>the family like the ones that mouthed off about RFK Jr.
>
>
> You would consider RFK Jr. to not have deserved it? He made a mockery
> of their family name.
>

Family name?
JFK was screwing everything that moved including Marilyn Monroe.
So was Bobby.
Then there is Ted Kennedy AKA "the swimmer".

The only person in that bunch who had any class was Jackie.

--
pothead
Kamala Harris Word Salad Special Of The Day
Served Complete With Venn Diagram Dressing

pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>On 2024-09-20, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>
>>>mouthed off about RFK Jr.
>>
>> You would consider RFK Jr. to not have deserved it? He made a mockery
>> of their family name.
>
>Family name?
>JFK was screwing everything that moved including Marilyn Monroe.
>So was Bobby.
>Then there is Ted Kennedy AKA "the swimmer".
>
>The only person in that bunch who had any class was Jackie.

RFK Jr. is someone who used his name to run for president under false
pretenses - that he was qualified. This was not a credible candidacy.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 20:39:12 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Obama's Peace Prize was because of Iraq and Bush.

He was nominated after being in office for 2 weeks. It was awarded to him
after he had been in office for 8 months. He had done nothing but utter
platitudes. I suppose that was better than awarding the war criminal
Kissinger and the terrorist Begin.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>> Obama's Peace Prize was because of Iraq and Bush.
>
>He was nominated after being in office for 2 weeks. It was awarded to him
>after he had been in office for 8 months. He had done nothing but utter
>platitudes. I suppose that was better than awarding the war criminal
>Kissinger and the terrorist Begin.

Barack didn't really want the prize, it was given to him as a message.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

rbowman wrote:

>Which will be the winner in the 21st century?

Well, that's easy enough. China seems to have an unbeatable
combination of dictatorial control and capitalism. They can do things
that we simply cannot (or cannot without first a decade of bickering,
protests, and lawsuits).

Plus they have that huge, homogeneous population. They don't need to
import workers from the shitholes of the worlds.

On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:23:19 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> rbowman wrote:
>
>>Which will be the winner in the 21st century?
>
> Well, that's easy enough. China seems to have an unbeatable combination
> of dictatorial control and capitalism. They can do things that we
> simply cannot (or cannot without first a decade of bickering, protests,
> and lawsuits).
>
> Plus they have that huge, homogeneous population. They don't need to
> import workers from the shitholes of the worlds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping_Thought

Xi is building on Deng Xiaoping's legacy. Deng managed to survive Mao and
saw what needed to be revised. Right or wrong both Xi and Deng follow
Marxist theory and tweaking it as needed, taking a very long view.

The US has never had an ideology other than vague Enlightenment sentiments
and is lucky if it can look forward a year or two. Biden reversed most of
Trump's executive orders on his first day on the job.

I'm reminded of a description of the trade talks between the US and Japan.
Every 4 years the US would send in a green crew of newbies. The Japanese
delegation would change when someone died and had to be replaced. They
knew they could run the new crop around in circles for 4 years and start
all over when the next crop arroved.

On 9/18/24 20:39, rbowman wrote:
> t's a lot more than racial diversity. A society can choose to foster the
> best and the brightest or the marginal cases.

No, you're flattering yourself. Cro-magnon human has no choice. Future
does not belong to them.

On 19 Sep 2024 01:39:08 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> At one time the US put a man on the moon.

And there are people in that same US who believe that never happened.

Do you want to try and blame that on “wokeness” or “cultural/racial
diversity”?

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 19 Sep 2024 01:39:08 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> At one time the US put a man on the moon.
>
> And there are people in that same US who believe that never happened.
>
> Do you want to try and blame that on “wokeness” or “cultural/racial
> diversity”?

There was a "law" I remember (maybe from Heinlein?) to the effect that, after
something is discovered or accomplished, it takes 50 years to make it routine.

We're a little past that with the moon landing.

But then, Arthur C. Clarke, famed "inventor" of the geosynchronous satellite
and noted science fiction writer, once wrote a story about human travel to
Jupiter in <laughing> 2001.

--
This life is a test. It is only a test. Had this been an actual life, you
would have received further instructions as to what to do and where to go.

On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 06:54:21 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> We're a little past that with the moon landing.
>
> But then, Arthur C. Clarke, famed "inventor" of the geosynchronous
> satellite and noted science fiction writer, once wrote a story about
> human travel to Jupiter in <laughing> 2001.

While I enjoy sci-fi novels involving space travel I sometimes wonder what
we've gotten out of the programs.

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/infographics/20-inventions-we-wouldnt-have-
without-space-travel/

That entire list seems to me like grasping at straws. We wouldn't have
DustBusters without the space program. Right.

National prestige is one factor. The US does have the manned landing
record, after losing the first satellite, hard landing, and sodt landing
to the Soviets. I suppose I was a beneficiary of Sputnik and the US
decided emphasizing STEM after the 'oh shit' moment was a good thing.

So far China, Japan, India, and the privately owned Odysseus landers are
the latest entries. The Artemis program seems a little haphazard although
we're assured the crew will have a black, a woman, and a non-citizen
(Canadian) makeup. China and Russian may get there first with the ILRS.
It's interesting who has signed on to that program:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Lunar_Research_Station#Members

rbowman wrote:

>While I enjoy sci-fi novels involving space travel I sometimes wonder what
>we've gotten out of the programs.

Maybe it made sense to go the moon, back then. But IMO the current
programs to the moon and/or Mars are simply colossal wastes of money.

Mars is *incredible* idiocy.

--
"I have 10+ solid years of desktop Linux OS failure to support my
opinion that ChromeOS will be another desktop Linux OS failure." -
another DumFSck failure

On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 15:41:03 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> rbowman wrote:
>
>>While I enjoy sci-fi novels involving space travel I sometimes wonder
>>what we've gotten out of the programs.
>
> Maybe it made sense to go the moon, back then. But IMO the current
> programs to the moon and/or Mars are simply colossal wastes of money.
>
> Mars is *incredible* idiocy.

Not quite as bad as Venus. The Soviets seemed focused on it and had quite
a few successful soft landings. They got enough data to conclude the
surface temperature was close to a balmy 900 F and the clouds were mostly
sulfuric or phosphoric acid droplets. Home sweet home.

As far as other systems, the technology doesn't exist outside of the wu-wu
land of wormholes in fiction.

On 9/22/24 13:00, rbowman wrote:
> While I enjoy sci-fi novels involving space travel I sometimes wonder what
> we've gotten out of the programs.
>
> https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/infographics/20-inventions-we-wouldnt-have-
> without-space-travel/
>
> That entire list seems to me like grasping at straws. We wouldn't have
> DustBusters without the space program. Right.
>
> National prestige is one factor. The US does have the manned landing
> record, after losing the first satellite, hard landing, and sodt landing
> to the Soviets. I suppose I was a beneficiary of Sputnik and the US
> decided emphasizing STEM after the 'oh shit' moment was a good thing.

That's how it looks to you looking from inside. Reality was and is,
thieves wanted peoples' taxes to government, be it the phony "cold war"
or "space race" or "spread of communism" or in these days "terrorism."

You guys've been fucked since before your Dads could remember.

I'm sick of hearing Americans of 1950s displaying the exact same
ignorance that those of 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, 2010s, and
now 2020s displayed and display.

This is how I first got the clue about your different species. You
things aren't Modern Human. You can't fool those of physics background;
they notice it! And give it enough time, _anyone_ who is a Modern Human
will notice it at last. You cannot hide.

On 9/22/2024 10:47 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:

> This is how I first got the clue about your different species. You
> things aren't Modern Human. You can't fool those of physics background;
> they notice it! And give it enough time, _anyone_ who is a Modern Human
> will notice it at last. You cannot hide.

Why did you run to the land of superior Whites, sand chimp?

On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 23:43:10 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 9/22/2024 10:47 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>> This is how I first got the clue about your different species. You
>> things aren't Modern Human. You can't fool those of physics background;
>> they notice it! And give it enough time, _anyone_ who is a Modern Human
>> will notice it at last. You cannot hide.
>
>
> Why did you run to the land of superior Whites, sand chimp?

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/sweden-is-asking-migrants-to-go-back-
the-incentive-is-dollar34000-per-family-18207506

Reportedly the $34,000 offer isn't attracting many takers. Denmark has
been more realistic. Their approach has been 'The Öresund Bridge is that
way. Keep moving'. Anybody who didn't take the hint could look forward to
an unpleasant experience. Center left in Denmark is a bit different than
in the US.

I've known a couple of Iranians. They bailed when they decided living
under medieval religious fanatics wasn't good for their life expectancy.

On 9/23/24 01:28, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 23:43:10 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 9/22/2024 10:47 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>
>>> This is how I first got the clue about your different species. You
>>> things aren't Modern Human. You can't fool those of physics background;
>>> they notice it! And give it enough time, _anyone_ who is a Modern Human
>>> will notice it at last. You cannot hide.
>>
>>
>> Why did you run to the land of superior Whites, sand chimp?
>
> https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/sweden-is-asking-migrants-to-go-back-
> the-incentive-is-dollar34000-per-family-18207506
>
> Reportedly the $34,000 offer isn't attracting many takers. Denmark has
> been more realistic. Their approach has been 'The Öresund Bridge is that
> way. Keep moving'. Anybody who didn't take the hint could look forward to
> an unpleasant experience. Center left in Denmark is a bit different than
> in the US.
>
> I've known a couple of Iranians. They bailed when they decided living
> under medieval religious fanatics wasn't good for their life expectancy.

I see that sorry cro-magnon still longs to go steady with my dick. A
female brain indeed.

Between me and a whole bunch of you morons here, I'm the one who's
American.

Americans aren't the ones who are born here. Those aren't tested.
Americans are the ones who _come_ here.

When you gathered your guts to step into manhood and change your country
of birth, then dare to speak with a "true American." Otherwise just
commit to my dick as always.

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 15:41:03 -0500, chrisv wrote:
>
>> rbowman wrote:
>>
>>>While I enjoy sci-fi novels involving space travel I sometimes wonder
>>>what we've gotten out of the programs.
>>
>> Maybe it made sense to go the moon, back then. But IMO the current
>> programs to the moon and/or Mars are simply colossal wastes of money.
>>
>> Mars is *incredible* idiocy.
>
> Not quite as bad as Venus. The Soviets seemed focused on it and had quite
> a few successful soft landings. They got enough data to conclude the
> surface temperature was close to a balmy 900 F and the clouds were mostly
> sulfuric or phosphoric acid droplets. Home sweet home.
>
> As far as other systems, the technology doesn't exist outside of the wu-wu
> land of wormholes in fiction.

Establishing a base on the Moon could make sense.

As long as they don't unearth (unmoon) a tall black monolith.

--
CHUBBY CHECKER just had a CHICKEN SANDWICH in downtown DULUTH!

On 9/19/24 1:57 PM, Joel wrote:
> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> The migration/immigration issue does not end our American greatness,
>>>>> it builds on it, welcome to DJT being made defeated again by KDH,
>>>>> welcome to 2025.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, even the Dominican Republic loves vibrant diversity.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/04/dominican-republic-must-
>>>> stop-racist-immigration-policies/
>>>>
>>>> Unchecked immigration of people who can't even make it in their own
>>>> countries is sure to be an improvement. This isn't the cream of the
>>>> crop.

Depends on which 'crop' one is referring to, for when some event happens
which triggers broader emigration, those who head out first tend to be
that society's cream: demographically, this includes things like having
higher rates of college education than the baseline US citizenship.

>>> No one's suggesting that it go unchecked. But that it be tolerated,
>>> within reason.
>>
>> How many millions are 'within reason'? How many chicken pluckers making
>> less than the minimum wage do we need?

Using actual US legal immigration history as a guide, updated to our
current population level for an equal per capita comparison basis, the
USA's immigration quota would be 5,000,000/year. Yes, 5 million/year.

But the current US quota is just 675,000/year...
....and ~2/3rds of this is reserved for family of current US residents.

>> ...
>>
>> No problem. Russia, China, and India will step up when the US destroys
>> itself. Things really do move faster these days. It took Rome and Britain
>> much longer to fall.
>
>
> The West isn't falling, America isn't falling. You're buying into a
> pessimistic view that will never work.

Seems that some folk doesn't even realize that the US's GDP is 14x
larger than Russia's. Likewise, the GDP per capita of the poorest State
in the USA (Mississippi) is still ~3.5x larger than Russia.

-hh

On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 06:44:53 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
wrote in <vcrgr5$2m1qj$5@dont-email.me>:

> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 15:41:03 -0500, chrisv wrote:
>>
>>> rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>>>While I enjoy sci-fi novels involving space travel I sometimes wonder
>>>>what we've gotten out of the programs.
>>>
>>> Maybe it made sense to go the moon, back then. But IMO the current
>>> programs to the moon and/or Mars are simply colossal wastes of money.
>>>
>>> Mars is *incredible* idiocy.
>>
>> Not quite as bad as Venus. The Soviets seemed focused on it and had
>> quite a few successful soft landings. They got enough data to conclude
>> the surface temperature was close to a balmy 900 F and the clouds were
>> mostly sulfuric or phosphoric acid droplets. Home sweet home.
>>
>> As far as other systems, the technology doesn't exist outside of the
>> wu-wu land of wormholes in fiction.
>
> Establishing a base on the Moon could make sense.
>
> As long as they don't unearth (unmoon) a tall black monolith.

I don't know what color they are, but similar anomalies have
been found on the Moon:

https://www.lunascan.com/anom/ltp/cuspids/cuspids.htm

Trivia: I once spent time in the local library's newspaper
morgue looking into this story.

--
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OS: Linux 6.11.0 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G

On 19 Sep 2024 18:33:14 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> The US is merely a state, a political entity, whose existence is
> premised on Enlightenment ideals.

Enlightenment ideals were about a secular state, free from religious
influence. And also the beginnings of the idea that all human beings are
created equal.

The US was never that.