candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
wrote:

>> That's a good argument until you realize that Winblows *isn't* such a
>> fantastic desktop OS, in the first place. Fun to use, sure, but only
>> if you have a very up-to-date computer, even Win10 in realistic terms
>> requires a lot of power, and 11 grew to be far worse.
>>
>> Linux is a relief, from the commercial OSes' drag, M$ bloat and Apple
>> doofiness.
>
>What do you mean fun to use?? Windows is one of the more boring UI's
>I've dealt with.

Just that it's intuitively designed, but to a fault, Mint kind of does
that too but with far less bloat, using openSUSE I've really begun to
see computing as a deliberate act, rather than a smooth ride provided
by M$ and Apple. I love it. I don't need them, I don't even need a
"fun" Linux distro, I just need a computer that functions as it's
capable of doing. Am I missing multimedia features? A little. Who
cares, though, I have more important things going on.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 07:26:57 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 11 Sep 2024 05:23:54 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> IBM's model was always big iron with dumb terminals, thin clients, or
>> whatever you want to call it. Pretty much the entire Chromebook design
>> is the same. Desktops are getting to be the same.
>
> I keep wondering about that. The obvious difference is, a Chromebook is
> built around a web browser, which is the single most complex piece of
> software that normal people use on a daily basis. Dumb terminals were
> never like that.

It's true the ADM-3A wasn't a mental giant but it wasn't bad for a
straight TTL design. Even the VT100 with its 8080 processor didn't do
much.

The web browser approach poses an interesting question. Leaving out Apple
and their trailing edge WebKit, V8/Blink is dominant. V8 by itself is
sued in Electron, Node.js, and a long list of browsers. They are all cross
platform. Brave doesn't care if it's on Linux or Windows. VS Code uses
Electron, so it doesn't care either. x86 ARM, or even MIPS, no problem.

You might see where this is going. For many people the OS becomes
irrelevant.

On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 13:20:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> What do you mean fun to use?? Windows is one of the more boring UI's
> I've dealt with.

I never thought of an OS as being fun to use. I've learned to live with it
but the Ubuntu box with Gnome is my least favorite when it come to
presentation. I prefer the Fedora KDE spin and Lubuntu, which look a lot
like Windows when you get down to it.

True, I spend about zero time configuring the desktop.

On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 09:27:51 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Just that it's intuitively designed, but to a fault, Mint kind of does
> that too but with far less bloat, using openSUSE I've really begun to
> see computing as a deliberate act, rather than a smooth ride provided by
> M$ and Apple. I love it. I don't need them, I don't even need a "fun"
> Linux distro, I just need a computer that functions as it's capable of
> doing. Am I missing multimedia features? A little. Who cares, though,
> I have more important things going on.

Is OpenSUSE up to KDE/QT/Plasma 6 yet?

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>> Just that it's intuitively designed, but to a fault, Mint kind of does
>> that too but with far less bloat, using openSUSE I've really begun to
>> see computing as a deliberate act, rather than a smooth ride provided by
>> M$ and Apple. I love it. I don't need them, I don't even need a "fun"
>> Linux distro, I just need a computer that functions as it's capable of
>> doing. Am I missing multimedia features? A little. Who cares, though,
>> I have more important things going on.
>
>Is OpenSUSE up to KDE/QT/Plasma 6 yet?

Dunno, I'm using the Xfce DE. I wasn't trying to be picky, I just
needed something that wouldn't control me the way Mint was beginning
to do. No hard feelings toward Mint, though, it's a great distro for
what it is, but I'm happier without it, now.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 11 Sep 2024 18:58:33 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> Leaving out Apple and their trailing edge WebKit, V8/Blink is dominant.
> V8 by itself is [us]ed in Electron, Node.js, and a long list of
> browsers. They are all cross platform. Brave doesn't care if it's on
> Linux or Windows. VS Code uses Electron, so it doesn't care either. x86
> ARM, or even MIPS, no problem.

The difference is, a web browser engine is a fiendishly complex piece of
software that requires ongoing maintenance as new bugs (particularly
security vulnerabilities) make themselves known. Unlike a dumb terminal,
that you could buy once and use for at least a few years without having to
worry about upgrades.

On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 22:09:45 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Desktop computing is the largest, most important segment of computing,

And yet not so big, if 33 million Adobe users can be such a significant
part of that.

rBowman: For many people the OS becomes irrelevant.

I'm not "many people".

Give me BIGGER, more customized gear.

On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 16:00:39 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:

> rBowman: For many people the OS becomes irrelevant.
>
> I'm not "many people".
>
> Give me BIGGER, more customized gear.

I had a friend like you. He lusted after a .454 Casull and was the
happiest guy in the world when he finally got one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAB5I_LjNfw

That became his new song when the .500 S&W Magnum came out.

On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 15:22:03 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Dunno, I'm using the Xfce DE. I wasn't trying to be picky, I just
> needed something that wouldn't control me the way Mint was beginning to
> do. No hard feelings toward Mint, though, it's a great distro for what
> it is, but I'm happier without it, now.

I've got that on my work Debian box. It's okay. I'd prefer the taskbar on
the bottom. I'm sure it can be done but as I said I pretty much roll with
whatever comes out of the box, unless it's something with a dark theme.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>> Dunno, I'm using the Xfce DE. I wasn't trying to be picky, I just
>> needed something that wouldn't control me the way Mint was beginning to
>> do. No hard feelings toward Mint, though, it's a great distro for what
>> it is, but I'm happier without it, now.
>
>I've got that on my work Debian box. It's okay. I'd prefer the taskbar on
>the bottom. I'm sure it can be done but as I said I pretty much roll with
>whatever comes out of the box, unless it's something with a dark theme.

For this setup, it put the taskbar on the bottom.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

You(rBowman)Replied(to me):
> > Give me BIGGER, more customized gear.
>
> rBowman: [ Half inch, 12.7 mm, caliber bullets ]

I don't see what a "big" PC (compared to a "smart" phone)
has to do with bigger bullets.

On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 17:50:44 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:

> I don't see what a "big" PC (compared to a "smart" phone)
> has to do with bigger bullets.

Constructive tools like computers are far more useful than destructive
weapons.

On 11 Sep 2024 23:57:05 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 15:22:03 -0400, Joel wrote:
>
>> ... Mint, [is] a great distro for what> it is, but I'm happier without
>> it, now.
>
> I've got that on my work Debian box. It's okay. I'd prefer the taskbar
> on the bottom.

Remember that Mint comes with a choice of at least 2 different GUIs on
initial installation, and likely others available besides. Which one might
you be referring to?

On 2024-09-12, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 17:50:44 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:
>
>> I don't see what a "big" PC (compared to a "smart" phone)
>> has to do with bigger bullets.
>
> Constructive tools like computers are far more useful than destructive
> weapons.

Different purposes. A computer is not going to do you a whole lot of good if
a murdering thief breaks into your house.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 17:50:44 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:

> You(rBowman)Replied(to me):
>> > Give me BIGGER, more customized gear.
>>
>> rBowman: [ Half inch, 12.7 mm, caliber bullets ]
>
> I don't see what a "big" PC (compared to a "smart" phone)
> has to do with bigger bullets.

Some people just want BIGGER things. Computer, cars, houses, bullets,
dicks...

In this case .500 is a practical limit since the Feds have decreed a .510
diameter bullet is a destructive device.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destructive_device

The point is a tool should be selected for the job at hand, not because it
is BIGGER.

On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 01:26:05 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 11 Sep 2024 23:57:05 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 15:22:03 -0400, Joel wrote:
>>
>>> ... Mint, [is] a great distro for what> it is, but I'm happier without
>>> it, now.
>>
>> I've got that on my work Debian box. It's okay. I'd prefer the taskbar
>> on the bottom.
>
> Remember that Mint comes with a choice of at least 2 different GUIs on
> initial installation, and likely others available besides. Which one
> might you be referring to?

joel is running OpenSUSE with xfce and I have Debian with xfce on one box.
Which might you be referring to?

You(rBowman)Replied(to me):
> > I don't see what a "big" PC (compared to a "smart" phone)
> > has to do with bigger bullets.
>
> a tool should be selected for the job at hand, not because it is BIGGER.

Ever since 1983, I've enjoyed a
WinTel tower PC With a mouse & a large monitor.

On 12 Sep 2024 03:07:36 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> In this case .500 is a practical limit since the Feds have decreed a
> .510 diameter bullet is a destructive device.

Wow ... non-destructive bullets. Whatever will they think of next.

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 15:22:03 -0400, Joel wrote:
>
>> Dunno, I'm using the Xfce DE. I wasn't trying to be picky, I just
>> needed something that wouldn't control me the way Mint was beginning to
>> do. No hard feelings toward Mint, though, it's a great distro for what
>> it is, but I'm happier without it, now.
>
> I've got that on my work Debian box. It's okay. I'd prefer the taskbar on
> the bottom. I'm sure it can be done but as I said I pretty much roll with
> whatever comes out of the box, unless it's something with a dark theme.

You can move the taskbar, add and remove items from it. Tons o' options.

When I use Xfce (e.g. until I get Fluxbox installed after figuring out issues,
rare, but it has happened) I configure it to be about 90% identical to my
Fluxbox setup. Especially the keystrokes. For window movement, you can even
replace the arrow keys with good ol' hjkl.

Xfce does have a couple things that bug me (e.g. moving a vertically-maximized
window unmaximizes it).

The thing I like about Fluxbox is that most of the configuration involves
text files. Xfce does have text files, but they are XML. Ugh.

--
How many weeks are there in a light year?

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 17:50:44 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:
>
>> You(rBowman)Replied(to me):
>>> > Give me BIGGER, more customized gear.
>>>
>>> rBowman: [ Half inch, 12.7 mm, caliber bullets ]
>>
>> I don't see what a "big" PC (compared to a "smart" phone)
>> has to do with bigger bullets.
>
> Some people just want BIGGER things. Computer, cars, houses, bullets,
> dicks...
>
> In this case .500 is a practical limit since the Feds have decreed a .510
> diameter bullet is a destructive device.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destructive_device

Buh buh the 2nd Amendment! They're infringing on my right to bear arms!
Whut if the gummint comes to git me?!

> The point is a tool should be selected for the job at hand, not because it
> is BIGGER.

A good opportunity to reprise the Hole Hawg:

http://www.team.net/mjb/hawg.html

--
Ever get the feeling that the world's on tape and one of the reels is missing?
-- Rich Little

Relf wrote:
> You(rBowman)Replied(to me):
>>> Give me BIGGER, more customized gear.
>>
>> rBowman: [ Half inch, 12.7 mm, caliber bullets ]
>
> I don't see what a "big" PC (compared to a "smart" phone)
> has to do with bigger bullets.
>
the total tonnage of what you don't see ...

On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 05:59:05 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Xfce does have a couple things that bug me (e.g. moving a
> vertically-maximized window unmaximizes it).

The best thing a desktop can do is leave my damn windows alone.

On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 21:04:01 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:

> You(rBowman)Replied(to me):
>> > I don't see what a "big" PC (compared to a "smart" phone)
>> > has to do with bigger bullets.
>>
>> a tool should be selected for the job at hand, not because it is
>> BIGGER.
>
> Ever since 1983, I've enjoyed a WinTel tower PC With a mouse & a large
> monitor.

Still using a CRT? Obviously we're talking about two different versions
of BIGGER. Both my Debian and Fedora boxes are traditional towers. This
Ubuntu box is about as big as a ham sandwich.

On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 04:12:44 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 12 Sep 2024 03:07:36 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> In this case .500 is a practical limit since the Feds have decreed a
>> .510 diameter bullet is a destructive device.
>
> Wow ... non-destructive bullets. Whatever will they think of next.

https://simunition.com/

They've been around for a long time.