On 09/01/2025 16:48, D wrote:
>> Whilst I am no panic stricken Liberal, I also wonder how the Donald
>> will cope with more power than he has ever had in his life, either
>>
>> Buy popcorn futures....
>
> This is the truth! I am very much popping popcorn as we speak, and
> enjoying Trumps hyperbole massively. It is also very enjoyable to watch
> naive, socialist politician take every sentence of Trumps literally.

The Liberal socialist simply lie to the electorate all the time and
expect to be believed. They cannot understand that the Donald also lies
all the time to, but he's pranking them half the time and doesn't expect
to be believed.

--
Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.

On 09/01/2025 16:51, D wrote:
> Apart from samba, I have used the rsync + hardlinks method for backup
> with much success between countries, for decades.
Yes. Its fine if the directory structure you are using to archive is in
fact compatible with the source directory trees permissions and ownerships.

Samba is not.

--
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On 09/01/2025 17:43, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2025-01-09, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 8 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> You forget that it is the people who do not want nuclear. It is proven
>>> dangerous.
>>
>> This is factually incorrect. If you cound the nr of dead, coal, hydro and
>> solar have all killed more people than nuclear.
>>
>> Remember the death count at Fukushima due to radiation... it is firmly at
>> 0.
>
> Ditto for Three Mile Island, which to this day I take as an example of
> how safe nuclear is. Total meltdown, but no casualties.
>
> Meanwhile, how many people have been hit by coal trains or died a
> slow lingering death from black lung?
>
And in fact a coal power statins load of fly ash - used in the UKs past
to make building blocks out of - would be classed as low level waste if
it came from a nuclear plant

Quite a lot of uranium and therefore radon and friends in coal

But lets look at US radiation exposure

https://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2005/1413/NAMrad_exp_let.gif

The Fukushima clean up aims to get below 20nGy/hr

It would be impossible to achieve in the USA.

--
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On 09/01/2025 17:55, D wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 8 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 08/01/2025 18:34, Pancho wrote:
>>>> It has to be the right religion though
>>>> A religion that simply takes all yiur wealth and prromises yuoi only
>>>> hell if you get upset is not a keeper.
>>>>
>>>
>>> How do you explain Jihadist Islam
>>>
>> Its similar in most respects to German jihadism,. Mein Kampf=jihad=my
>> struggle.
>> The operational parameters of the metaphysics are identical.
>> - a master race, struggling against a world full of oppressive other
>> races, especially jews - who it is perfectly moral to lie to, kill,
>> defraud, commit genocide, rape torture and and maim, because they *are
>> not really human*.
>>
>> And apart from these things obliterating the subconscious shame you
>> feel at being 600 years behind the times, stupid as fuck and inbred to
>> boot, it gives you a feeling of power and purpose and a promise of
>> [s]lots of virgins in the after life, after you have run out of the
>> ones on the local council estate.
>
> Excellent analysis of islam. This sounds like the beginning of a book
> perhaps?
> =)
>
I had an Islamic GF once, And a Jewish one. I know whereof I speak.

Shame drives the middle east to misplaced pride and hatred.

--
WOKE is an acronym... Without Originality, Knowledge or Education.

On 09/01/2025 18:02, D wrote:
> How much more beautiful on a scale from 1 to
> 10 would you say the women in Quebec are, than the women in the US? What
> made them so beautiful?

They are French. French women like sex, and like to be sexy.

--
“Progress is precisely that which rules and regulations did not foresee,”

– Ludwig von Mises

On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 02:24:36 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> If you want odd-ish religions, note the Slavic mythology ... it was
> clearly influenced by Vedic/Hindu elements despite being so far away.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_paganism

The Indo-Europeans got around. There is a physically large church here
that is 'Slavic Pentecostal'. I've no idea what it's about. I used the
physically modifier since a friend told me when they were building it they
wanted it to have a larger footprint than any other church in the area.

On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 19:05:20 +0100, D wrote:

> As my father always says... thank god I don't have to experience that
> mess!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLunlQy7nLI

The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On 09/01/2025 16:18, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> 186282@ud0s4.net wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> As I've said many times before - we need to use EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT now
>>> (except coal if we can possibly help it).
>>>
>>> TRICK is to thwart the zealots - use energy sources where MOST
>>> APPROPRIATE. If solar fits the bill for certain projects, then use solar.
>>> If in a windy place then windmills might do it. If oil-burning powerplants
>>> are the best fit, use them. If nuke plants are to be had, use them for big
>>> Grid stuff.
>>>
>>> It's zealotry and fanaticism that's causing most of the problems these
>>> days. Every faction sees THEIR fix as the One And Only and will fight
>>> everybody else. Logic, evidence, economics, all go Bye Bye.
>>>
>>> And even coal, the techniques/chemistry to convert it into methanol and
>>> ethanol are now pretty good. The nasty sulfur and heavy metals are left
>>> behind. Some can be re-sold for various industrial applications.
>>
>> I agree with this post!
>>
>> Put your energy eggs in many baskets.
>>
> Bollocks. Lets have diversity in car wheels,. Sqauare one, eggs shaped
> ones. Why have them all round?

That's a really lame rebuttal.

> We had a more reliable grid when it was 90$% coal.
> France gets by at 75% nuclear.
> In mots cases 'diversity' just makes things worse, a single standard
> design that works well is far far cheaper.

That almost *never* happens.

--
Since a politician never believes what he says, he is surprised
when others believe him.
-- Charles DeGaulle

On 09/01/2025 20:38, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> On 09/01/2025 16:18, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> 186282@ud0s4.net wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> As I've said many times before - we need to use EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT now
>>>> (except coal if we can possibly help it).
>>>>
>>>> TRICK is to thwart the zealots - use energy sources where MOST
>>>> APPROPRIATE. If solar fits the bill for certain projects, then use solar.
>>>> If in a windy place then windmills might do it. If oil-burning powerplants
>>>> are the best fit, use them. If nuke plants are to be had, use them for big
>>>> Grid stuff.
>>>>
>>>> It's zealotry and fanaticism that's causing most of the problems these
>>>> days. Every faction sees THEIR fix as the One And Only and will fight
>>>> everybody else. Logic, evidence, economics, all go Bye Bye.
>>>>
>>>> And even coal, the techniques/chemistry to convert it into methanol and
>>>> ethanol are now pretty good. The nasty sulfur and heavy metals are left
>>>> behind. Some can be re-sold for various industrial applications.
>>>
>>> I agree with this post!
>>>
>>> Put your energy eggs in many baskets.
>>>
>> Bollocks. Lets have diversity in car wheels,. Sqauare one, eggs shaped
>> ones. Why have them all round?
>
> That's a really lame rebuttal.
>
>> We had a more reliable grid when it was 90$% coal.
>> France gets by at 75% nuclear.
>> In mots cases 'diversity' just makes things worse, a single standard
>> design that works well is far far cheaper.
>
> That almost *never* happens.
>
It almost *always* happens.

You just do not notice it.

The natural tendency in a free market is that the best technology rises
to the top, becomes ubiquitous, and everybody uses it. Diversity in
technology is not desirable,. Diversity in its application is, somewhat.

So e.g,. its probably better to have 10 small modular reactors spread
around a city than have one huge reactor and its grid connection as as
single point of failure.

What *you* call diversity is like having bike pedals in your car in
case the engine fails.

Why do all airliners basically look extremely similar?
Because that shape ahas evolved to be the most cost effective.

Why do cargo ships all look the same?
Because that shape ahas evolved to be the most cost effective.

Why do all bicycles look similar?
Because that shape ahas evolved to be the most cost effective.

Why , despite its drawbacks, do we persist with keyboard layouts that
exist because of the limitations of mechanical typewriters?
Because we have got used to that STANDARD and it would be a pain to
retrain all those touch typists.

Why aren't we still using CRT monitors?
Because LCDS, once the trillion dollar investment in manufacturing plant
has been made, are simply better, smaller, lighter and more efficient.

Everything that is manufactured, benifits from large scale robotized
mass production of identical items, that people understand how to use
and how to fix. So that service personnel do not have to be trained in a
million different types and spares suppliers do not need to carry
inventory for a million different products.

Diversity is a technical term that was taken by non technical people and
utterly misunderstood to justify wasting money on things that didn't
work, simply because they were 'different'.

Diversity - when its a good thing - means multiple copies of the same
technology, not multiple different technologies.

--
“It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established
authorities are wrong.”

― Voltaire, The Age of Louis XIV

On 1/10/25 2:27 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Ok, there was too much to snip/edit there ...

However I *do* ascribe to the principle of
'eggs & baskets'. We need to develop *everything*
and keep it ALL 'in the mix' just because. That's
the best survival strategy. Monolithic, single
niche, has been the doom of most species on earth.
Darwin CAN enlighten outside mere biology
(within sane limits).

PVs, eventually and in conjunction with good
energy-storage methods, are perfectly good and
viable for many apps. You can do it Just Because
you WANT to do it, even if a nuke grid IS
to be had.

I live in a 'disaster zone'. I've got the utility
wires, a generator AND some PV panels that can
charge batteries and even make a little AC line
voltage. This is LAYERS, alternatives. NO one
thing is gonna always be reliable.

PVs CAN, eventually, eclipse traditional and
nuke power sources/grids. They're not there yet,
but - maybe - there's a longer future where they
can reach full potential. It's a Good Idea.

Now the neat trick is to program a Linux Pi
or something to smartly, promptly, intelligently,
switch between all yer layers as-needed.

On 10/01/2025 08:34, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 1/10/25 2:27 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>   Ok, there was too much to snip/edit there ...
>
>   However I *do* ascribe to the principle of
>   'eggs & baskets'. We need to develop *everything*
>   and keep it ALL 'in the mix' just because. That's
>   the best survival strategy. Monolithic, single
>   niche, has been the doom of most species on earth.
>   Darwin CAN enlighten outside mere biology
>   (within sane limits).
>
>   PVs, eventually and in conjunction with good
>   energy-storage methods, are perfectly good and
>   viable for many apps. You can do it Just Because
>   you WANT to do it, even if a nuke grid IS
>   to be had.

There are no suitable storage methods. Or we would have used them years ago,

>
>   I live in a 'disaster zone'. I've got the utility
>   wires, a generator AND some PV panels that can
>   charge batteries and even make a little AC line
>   voltage. This is LAYERS, alternatives. NO one
>   thing is gonna always be reliable.
>
Fine. Now look ta the cost of all that versus cheap nuclear grid
electricity.
My sister in S Africa has been forced to do the same. Fortunately there
is a lot of sun and its warm so they dont need to use their batteries to
stay warm. And they cant cook, but that's what barbecues are for.

This is only cost effective if the actual market for electricity is broken.

And its mostly broken because of government interference and subsidising
'renewables'

>   PVs CAN, eventually, eclipse traditional and
>   nuke power sources/grids. They're not there yet,
>   but - maybe - there's a longer future where they
>   can reach full potential. It's a Good Idea.
>
No. They can't. Not without massively expensive storage that simply
doesn't exist and no one knows how to build.

>   Now the neat trick is to program a Linux Pi
>   or something to smartly, promptly, intelligently,
>   switch between all yer layers as-needed.

Switching between an array of zeros will always still produce a zero
Connecting permanently to a single reliable non zero is way cheaper.

--
The higher up the mountainside
The greener grows the grass.
The higher up the monkey climbs
The more he shows his arse.

Traditional

-hh wrote:

> (snip stuff from the same guy who defended censorship because it was by "private companies" who were being told to do it by the Biden administration)

Some of us value freedom more than others, obviously.

On 2025-01-10 02:19, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 1/9/25 5:35 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> On 2025-01-09 17:14, chrisv wrote:
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, its purpose wasn't to restrict travel freedoms:
>>>
>>> What they claimed in a study 20 years ago means nothing.  Today, they
>>> want to be able to shut you down for any reason they want, e.g. some
>>> "public health emergency" such as covid.  Or you've hit your "carbon
>>> limit".
>>
>> I've read the same thing. Of course, these are things that are never
>> admitted in the highly discredited mainstream publications Hugh
>> Huntzinger relies on to make an ass of himself.
>
>   Leftists particularly seek to limit travel. Surprised
>   Euros or even USAians don't have to get "travel permits"
>   yet to visit the next town. Propaganda needs mean it's
>   best if people are TRAPPED in their own immediate area
>   and can't personally compare notes with people elsewhere.

They want their fifteen-minute cities and won't tolerate you even dating
or having friends outside. You'll live, work and study within a
fifteen-minute walking distance or you will be punished... for the
Earth, of course. This is the kind of garbage that got "progressives"
removed from political influence across the West.

--
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

On 2025-01-10 04:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 10/01/2025 09:09, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> On 1/10/25 2:31 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 09/01/2025 23:31, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>> Now 100+ years from now, if all remains constant, the
>>>>    ice will have melted back some more and there might be
>>>>    a more useful exposed rim.
>>>
>>> Go and calculate the mass of ice on Greenland, and its latent heat of
>>> melting, and divide that by a hundred years and tell me that somehow
>>> the sun is going to provide that level of excess energy to the planet .
>>
>>    As I said elsewhere, I don't see Greenland melting
>>    anytime soon. 'Climate' suffers 'cooling periods'
>>    roughly every 500 years - often driven by massive
>>    Indonesian volcanic events (sometimes asteroids).
>>    Iceland may sometimes play a role.
>>
>>    I think Greenland is mostly 'cycling' - right now
>>    it's slowly melting but sometime soon the climate
>>    may change a few degrees and it'll build up a lot
>>    more ice again.
>>
>>> The ice age didn't end in a century. In fact it hasn't ended,
>>> technically. We are in an interstadial.
>>
>>    Well ... the 'main part' of the last ice age DID
>>    end pretty abruptly in terms of geological time.
>>    Nobody is sure exactly why - all the factors that
>>    co-contributed. My GUESS is that sea levels got
>>    low enough to destabilize the methane hydrate
>>    deposits. There may be proxy evidence - we'll see.
>>
>>> But the point is it took thousands of years for the ice to melt.
>>
>>    Well ... more like maybe 1000 years.
>>
> While the Younger Dryas feature abrupt and massive atmospheric  climate
> change over a few decades - way more than any modern warming or cooling
> - it did not immediately melt all of the ice.
>
> https://www.antarcticglaciers.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Post-
> Glacial_Sea_Level_rise2.png
>
> Shows the actual sea level rises and the full de glaciation took *over
> 6000* years.
>
> And continues albeit at a far slower pace, to ythis day.
>
> Mountains of ice do not melt in a day, or a week, or a decade or even a
> millennium

Your friendly neighbourhood hippy would disagree. He expects that it
will happen suddenly and swallow us all unless we throw whatever money
we have at the sky... or give it to a faceless globalist elite.

>>    The bullshit "world flood" then happened
>>    as ice-dams and such failed and sent Huge
>>    quantities of water down river tracts in
>>    the northern hemisphere. I can see why so
>>    many people imagined the entire world was
>>    flooded.
>>
>>    Thing is, the last Big Freeze happened really
>>    quick too. SOME evidence points to an asteroid
>>    hitting arctic Canada or Greenland.
>>
> IT may have heppened quickly, but the ice did not form overnight.

Had it actually done so, we would have had stories or dangerous floods
all over the world. Mind you, we have stories of land-consuming floods
from thousands of years ago in pretty much every religion, but they
never mention ice.

>>    All the causes/equations are difficult, hard to
>>    pin down, but not impossible. 25 years from now
>>    we'll have a much better picture. Might even be
>>    able to take advantage.
>
> The main facts are known. No matter what happens in the atmosphere,
> miles deep ice sheets to not melt overnight, and nor does deep permafrost.
>
> You have to be particularly ignorant of physics to believe otherwise.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_heat

If there is one thing hippies definitely are, it's ignorant.

--
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

On 2025-01-10 07:55, chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> (snip stuff from the same guy who defended censorship because it was by "private companies" who were being told to do it by the Biden administration)
>
> Some of us value freedom more than others, obviously.

I had a reminder of that yesterday actually. I have a chunk of movies
ripped from DVDs and Blu-Rays on a portable SSD, and others are
purchased from the Microsoft Store. If I show a movie to a class from
the former and a few students were absent, I can upload the movie to
Teams and they can catch up at their leisure. With the latter, they're
completely fucked. I am actually mad that I allowed myself to believe
that it made sense to buy DRM-enabled movies.

--
CrudeSausage
Gab: @CrudeSausage
Unapologetic paleoconservative

On 1/10/25 7:55 AM, chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>>
>> Prediction: a very brave "(snipped, unread)" is immanent!
>>
> (snip stuff from the same guy who defended censorship because it
> was by "private companies" who were being told to do it by the
> Biden administration)

Golly, I didn't expect a "Whataboutism" attempt!

> Some of us value freedom more than others, obviously.

Where said "some of us" excluded chrisv, as he censored his reply.

-hh

On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 04:09:09 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> The bullshit "world flood" then happened as ice-dams and such failed
> and sent Huge quantities of water down river tracts in the northern
> hemisphere. I can see why so many people imagined the entire world
> was flooded.

https://www.glaciallakemissoula.org/the-big-picture.html

If there were humans hanging around eastern Washington that survived they
had some pretty good stories. I think Some of the tribes in the area do
have floods in their lore.

Before I even knew the story I remember driving through the Washington
scablands and thinking something interesting happened there.

-hh wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>> Prediction: a very brave "(snipped, unread)" is immanent!
>>>
>> (snip stuff from the same guy who defended censorship because it
>> was by "private companies" who were being told to do it by the
>> Biden administration)
>
>Golly, I didn't expect a "Whataboutism" attempt!

I sure didn't expect you to man-up and admit that you were wrong on
the censorship issue.

>> Some of us value freedom more than others, obviously.
>
>Where said "some of us" excluded chrisv, as he censored his reply.

That's a lie. I censored nothing. Your full post is available for
anyone to read.

Your response will be deleted, unread.

The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On 09/01/2025 20:38, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>
>>> On 09/01/2025 16:18, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> 186282@ud0s4.net wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> As I've said many times before - we need to use EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT now
>>>>> (except coal if we can possibly help it).
>>>>>
>>>>> TRICK is to thwart the zealots - use energy sources where MOST
>>>>> APPROPRIATE. If solar fits the bill for certain projects, then use solar.
>>>>> If in a windy place then windmills might do it. If oil-burning powerplants
>>>>> are the best fit, use them. If nuke plants are to be had, use them for big
>>>>> Grid stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's zealotry and fanaticism that's causing most of the problems these
>>>>> days. Every faction sees THEIR fix as the One And Only and will fight
>>>>> everybody else. Logic, evidence, economics, all go Bye Bye.
>>>>>
>>>>> And even coal, the techniques/chemistry to convert it into methanol and
>>>>> ethanol are now pretty good. The nasty sulfur and heavy metals are left
>>>>> behind. Some can be re-sold for various industrial applications.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with this post!
>>>>
>>>> Put your energy eggs in many baskets.
>>>>
>>> Bollocks. Lets have diversity in car wheels,. Sqauare one, eggs shaped
>>> ones. Why have them all round?
>>
>> That's a really lame rebuttal.
>>
>>> We had a more reliable grid when it was 90$% coal.
>>> France gets by at 75% nuclear.
>>> In mots cases 'diversity' just makes things worse, a single standard
>>> design that works well is far far cheaper.
>>
>> That almost *never* happens.
>>
> It almost *always* happens.
>
> You just do not notice it.
>
> The natural tendency in a free market is that the best technology rises
> to the top, becomes ubiquitous, and everybody uses it. Diversity in
> technology is not desirable,. Diversity in its application is, somewhat.

And yet, as you show below, diversity persists.

> So e.g,. its probably better to have 10 small modular reactors spread
> around a city than have one huge reactor and its grid connection as as
> single point of failure.
>
> What *you* call diversity is like having bike pedals in your car in
> case the engine fails.

Nah, it's more like a hybrid car.

> Why do all airliners basically look extremely similar?
> Because that shape ahas evolved to be the most cost effective.

But the internals and details can differ quite a bit.

> Why do cargo ships all look the same?
> Because that shape ahas evolved to be the most cost effective.

But the internals and details can differ quite a bit.

> Why do all bicycles look similar?
> Because that shape ahas evolved to be the most cost effective.

But the and details can differ quite a bit. Road bike versus off-road vs
electric.

> Why , despite its drawbacks, do we persist with keyboard layouts that
> exist because of the limitations of mechanical typewriters?
> Because we have got used to that STANDARD and it would be a pain to
> retrain all those touch typists.

And yet we have Dvorak keyboards.

> Why aren't we still using CRT monitors?

We still do in many places.

> Because LCDS, once the trillion dollar investment in manufacturing plant
> has been made, are simply better, smaller, lighter and more efficient.

Sure. That's the diversity!

> Everything that is manufactured, benifits from large scale robotized
> mass production of identical items, that people understand how to use
> and how to fix. So that service personnel do not have to be trained in a
> million different types and spares suppliers do not need to carry
> inventory for a million different products.

You exaggerate.

> Diversity is a technical term that was taken by non technical people and
> utterly misunderstood to justify wasting money on things that didn't
> work, simply because they were 'different'.

Diversity, a technical term? Pray tell.

> Diversity - when its a good thing - means multiple copies of the same
> technology, not multiple different technologies.

You prove my thesis with the *variety* of transportation items you present.

Look at all the various charger/connector types for smartphones.

Every car has differences, some small, some, like electric vs gas, big.

Under capitalism, everyone is looking for an edge, often found by
adopting a different design.

There is almost nothing that has "evolved" to a single implementation.
Everything is tweaked.

--
In any formula, constants (especially those obtained from handbooks)
are to be treated as variables.

The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
NP>> Diversity - when its a good thing - means multiple copies of the same
NP>> technology, not multiple different technologies.

On 2025-01-10, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
CA> You prove my thesis with the *variety* of transportation items you present.
CA> Look at all the various charger/connector types for smartphones.

The multiple connector types have been very counterproductive. The
Chinese government brought some standardization by requiring micro-USB
connectors, but Apple soon found a way around it and introduced
"Lightning" connectors just to be different. Round two switched everyone
to USB-C (again initiated by China - or was it EU). To my eyes, USB-C is
not "flatter" than Micro-USB, but it does have the advantage of being
symmetrical.

CA> Every car has differences, some small, some, like electric vs gas, big.
CA>
CA> Under capitalism, everyone is looking for an edge, often found by
CA> adopting a different design.

As in Tesla versus "standard" EV charging connectors.

CA> There is almost nothing that has "evolved" to a single implementation.
CA> Everything is tweaked.

With some remarkable counter-examples. As I understand it, there was a
time when the "big 3" automakers had standardized motor mounts, so that
you could install an aftermarket V8 engine to boost you car's
performance.

Or the way car radios were standardized, so you could buy a new,
high-end AM/FM/CD radio to spice up your 10-year old car.

Those days are over. No more aftermarket car radios, since
entertainment, navigation, climate control and other dashboard
functions became integrated.

On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 07:27:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> The natural tendency in a free market is that the best technology rises
> to the top, becomes ubiquitous, and everybody uses it. Diversity in
> technology is not desirable,. Diversity in its application is, somewhat.

Like natural selection I would say an adequate technology rises to the
top, not always the best.

On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 21:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:

> The multiple connector types have been very counterproductive. The
> Chinese government brought some standardization by requiring micro-USB
> connectors, but Apple soon found a way around it and introduced
> "Lightning" connectors just to be different. Round two switched everyone
> to USB-C (again initiated by China - or was it EU). To my eyes, USB-C is
> not "flatter" than Micro-USB, but it does have the advantage of being
> symmetrical.

I've got a wall full of cables to attest to that foolishness. There is the
Mini-B for the Garmin GPS and an older Kindle, the Standard B for the
legacy Arduinos, the Micro-B for the phone, newer Kindle, and the Pico
boards, and the USB-C for the Fire tablet, airbrush, and other stuff.

> Or the way car radios were standardized, so you could buy a new,
> high-end AM/FM/CD radio to spice up your 10-year old car.

That was a relatively brief period when manufacturers mostly used DIN
sizing and dash kits were available. Prior to that a hacksaw and sheet
metal skills helped but at least a radio was just a radio or sometimes an
incorporated cassette or CD player.

Since I work on my own vehicles my pet peeve is oil filters. My Toyota has
a Toyota engine; the sedans of the same year were Mazda 2s and have Mazda
engines. Physically the filters are the same size but they do not
interchange.

I haven't bought a new bike in years but Shimano was a master at
obsolescence. The tools to remove the bottom bracket or freewheel always
were just enough different, maybe one spline more or less, that they
wouldn't fit.

On 1/10/25 4:52 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 10/01/2025 09:35, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> On 1/10/25 4:19 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 10/01/2025 09:09, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>> On 1/10/25 2:31 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 09/01/2025 23:31, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>>> Now 100+ years from now, if all remains constant, the
>>>>>>    ice will have melted back some more and there might be
>>>>>>    a more useful exposed rim.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go and calculate the mass of ice on Greenland, and its latent heat
>>>>> of melting, and divide that by a hundred years and tell me that
>>>>> somehow the sun is going to provide that level of excess energy to
>>>>> the planet .
>>>>
>>>>    As I said elsewhere, I don't see Greenland melting
>>>>    anytime soon. 'Climate' suffers 'cooling periods'
>>>>    roughly every 500 years - often driven by massive
>>>>    Indonesian volcanic events (sometimes asteroids).
>>>>    Iceland may sometimes play a role.
>>>>
>>>>    I think Greenland is mostly 'cycling' - right now
>>>>    it's slowly melting but sometime soon the climate
>>>>    may change a few degrees and it'll build up a lot
>>>>    more ice again.
>>>>
>>>>> The ice age didn't end in a century. In fact it hasn't ended,
>>>>> technically. We are in an interstadial.
>>>>
>>>>    Well ... the 'main part' of the last ice age DID
>>>>    end pretty abruptly in terms of geological time.
>>>>    Nobody is sure exactly why - all the factors that
>>>>    co-contributed. My GUESS is that sea levels got
>>>>    low enough to destabilize the methane hydrate
>>>>    deposits. There may be proxy evidence - we'll see.
>>>>
>>>>> But the point is it took thousands of years for the ice to melt.
>>>>
>>>>    Well ... more like maybe 1000 years.
>>>>
>>> While the Younger Dryas feature abrupt and massive atmospheric
>>> climate change over a few decades - way more than any modern warming
>>> or cooling - it did not immediately melt all of the ice.
>>>
>>> https://www.antarcticglaciers.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Post-Glacial_Sea_Level_rise2.png
>>
>>
>>
>>    These events have "curves". ALL the ice doesn't form,
>>    or melt, overnight. The BULK may change quickly but
>>    there's always a long 'shadow'.
>>
>>    Right NOW we're still in the shadow of the last Big
>>    Freeze.
>>
>>
>>> Shows the actual sea level rises and the full de glaciation took
>>> *over 6000* years.
>>>
>>> And continues albeit at a far slower pace, to ythis day.
>>>
>>> Mountains of ice do not melt in a day, or a week, or a decade or even
>>> a millennium
>>>
>>>
>>>>    The bullshit "world flood" then happened
>>>>    as ice-dams and such failed and sent Huge
>>>>    quantities of water down river tracts in
>>>>    the northern hemisphere. I can see why so
>>>>    many people imagined the entire world was
>>>>    flooded.
>>>>
>>>>    Thing is, the last Big Freeze happened really
>>>>    quick too. SOME evidence points to an asteroid
>>>>    hitting arctic Canada or Greenland.
>>>>
>>> IT may have heppened quickly, but the ice did not form overnight.
>>>
>>>>    All the causes/equations are difficult, hard to
>>>>    pin down, but not impossible. 25 years from now
>>>>    we'll have a much better picture. Might even be
>>>>    able to take advantage.
>>>
>>> The main facts are known. No matter what happens in the atmosphere,
>>> miles deep ice sheets to not melt overnight, and nor does deep
>>> permafrost.
>>>
>>> You have to be particularly ignorant of physics to believe otherwise.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_heat
>>
>>    Ummm ... don't think I'm "pretty ignorant" at all,
>>    have always researched this kind of stuff.
>>
> Its not a matter of resaearchm, but of phyics, and oif yoiu had
> reaqearched te grpah I indicated it show exactly how the oice melted and
> sea levels roise ovre a 600 year period of constant steady
>>    As said, 'curves'.
>
> No. Virtually a straight line,.
>
>
> Post the Younger Dryas, ice started melting and sea level rose a a
> steady rate for the next 6000 years.
>
> That was the 10% to 90%, and we have hadanother 5% since then, riughly.
>
> The 90% is kinda volatile
>>    but the 10% sticks around for a long time,
>>    maybe seeds the NEXT cycle's curve.
>>
>>    It's been about 55 million years since it ALL
>>    melted ... tropical jungle pole to pole. It's
>>    been longer since it ALL froze. Mostly we
>>    drift back and forth along a rough center line.
>>    MANY factors seem to drive the cycles.
>
> Yes but that is hand-wavy BS and doesn't really help answer the question
> of whether or not Greenland will be ice free in 100 years.
>
> And the physics says no. Latent heat of melting is simply too massive
> for that ice sheet.
>
> You are in this matter plain *wrong*.

Ummmm ... SAID that I don't see Greenland melting, esp
not anytime soon (geologically). Next cool spell will
build up more ice again.

A problem in this thread is that so many people have
said so many things ... they kinda get jumbled together.

> https://www.antarcticglaciers.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Post-Glacial_Sea_Level_rise2.png
>
> Clearly shows rate of melt, but you ignored the [f]actual data.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_heat
> Shows the underlying physics, that you hand waved away.

I'm well aware of the heat involved in freezing/melting
water ice. It's considerable.

As such, you (and I) are correct that Greenland isn't
gonna suddenly melt. It's one or two MILES of ice
across a HUGE area. Don't care how many movies
Dennis Quaid makes .....

On 2025-01-10, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 21:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
>
>
>> The multiple connector types have been very counterproductive. The
>> Chinese government brought some standardization by requiring micro-USB
>> connectors, but Apple soon found a way around it and introduced
>> "Lightning" connectors just to be different. Round two switched everyone
>> to USB-C (again initiated by China - or was it EU). To my eyes, USB-C is
>> not "flatter" than Micro-USB, but it does have the advantage of being
>> symmetrical.
>
> I've got a wall full of cables to attest to that foolishness. There is the
> Mini-B for the Garmin GPS and an older Kindle, the Standard B for the
> legacy Arduinos, the Micro-B for the phone, newer Kindle, and the Pico
> boards, and the USB-C for the Fire tablet, airbrush, and other stuff.

Then there's the almost-mini-B used by Olympus cameras. On our way
to Ireland our carry-on bag fell over and our little bag of chargers,
adapters, etc. fell out and got lost. I managed to find my wife a
third-party charger for her Macbook for a mere $100, but nobody had
one of those oddball Olympus connectors, either at our layover in
Toronto or in any shop I tried in Ireland. No photos for me.
(I did find a couple of the cables in a camera shop when we
got back home, so at least I can still use the camera.)

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On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 21:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen
<lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> wrote:

>Those days are over. No more aftermarket car radios, since
>entertainment, navigation, climate control and other dashboard
>functions became integrated.

The real question then, is: Has the seame thing happened with Linux
distributions?

Is it good or bad?

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