On 8/26/24 6:16 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-08-26, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 8/26/24 2:53 PM, chrisv wrote:
>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>
>>>> -highhorse wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure is. My point is to not get mad at those who *laugh* at those who
>>>>> fail to do their homework & pay twice as much as its actually worth.
>>>>
>>>> Why do you care what someone else spends?
>>>
>>> -highhorse knows better than the free market. Others are to be
>>> ridiculed for making the "wrong" choice. I'm somewhat surprised that
>>> he hasn't whined about "too much choice" in the gun market, and tasked
>>> you with producing a "definitive guide" to which gun to buy.
>>>
>>
>> On the contrary: I'm acknowledging that marketing hype works.
>>
>> Case in point - how's your "Ultimate Driving Machine" these days?
>>
>> ...because its still at 3rd place on the Autobahn social hierarchy,
>> despite how much they've invested in their marketing slogan. Golly!
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
> The media is very powerful and those who control the media control the people.
> That aside, at some point I did watch a program where they compared military spec guns for the
> elite like snipers, seal team, etc to the civilian versions and the conclusions were that the
> military versions were far superior but only in the hands of a skilled, trained person.

That's a good take. Another element to be aware of is that there can be
a long list of requirements across a wide spectrum, so what gets chosen
often can be a compromise: the downselect criteria can be emphasizing
"minimize weaknesses" more than "find the best at X at all costs". As
such, one needs to be aware of the risk ramifications of a narrow use
case being bullied through.

> It would be like giving Serena Williams tennis racquet to even an above average tennis player.
> Will it really improve her game?
> Doubtful.

Well, there is a Placebo effect if they know, especially if they're
paying extra for it. That's part of marketing too: they'll try to
convince you to buy that $900 golf driver which will fix your swing /
add yards / etc ... even though spending half of that for lessons would
have a bigger bang for the buck: Americans in particular are suckers
for "magic toys" which promise to offset low skills. That's why one
will find many gun nutz who brag about spending the money to get a 0.5
MOA gun who can't shoot even 2 or 3 MOA: they need to spend their money
(& time) out on the range practicing, not in the store poseuring: if you
want to become actually good, figure starting at 1000 rds/month.

-hh

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:66cceb54$1$1428124$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <vaiij6$2ggu5$6@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 8/26/24 12:33 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>> > In article <vai6p3$2ggu5$2@dont-email.me>,
>> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>> >>
>> >> On 8/26/24 9:56 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>> >>> -hh says...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 8/25/24 2:16 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>> >>>>> In article <vafpij$210a8$1@dont-email.me>,
>> >>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 8/24/24 4:04 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>> >>>>>>> -hh says...
>> >>>>>>>> ...
>> >>>>>>>> In any event, the saga of the popular civilian adoption of
>> >>>>>>>> the AR is an interesting one, particularly in light of how
>> >>>>>>>> little the DoD pays for them relative to how much they
>> >>>>>>>> retail for in the civilian market...
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> It's just a gun.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Doesn't matter: a poor value product is still a poor value
>> >>>>>> product.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Maybe you buy cheap shit.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Quite the opposite: the manufacturing which fails to meet MIL
>> >>>> standards gets re-binned & sold off in the civilian market
>> >>>> distribution channel.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>> ...and that's despite how the MIL contracts has
>> >>>>>>>> significantly higher QA and testing expenses in their
>> >>>>>>>> manufacturing overhead.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> It's still just a gun.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> So? The point is that there's a large bunch of fools who pay
>> >>>>>> too much.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> So? Why do you care?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Its the same fools who try the "derp! it wasn't an M16, but an
>> >>>> M16A2!"
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> It comes down to marketing hype for a profitable product,
>> >>>>>>>> just like how automakers push SUVs because they're more
>> >>>>>>>> profitable for them too.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Guns don't kill people.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> So then if they're so harmless, you're saying that you're also
>> >>>>>> willing to take the same risk of being hit by a few
>> >>>>>> rounds...right?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The gun didn't shoot them. The person holding the gun did.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> After all, you've defended the claim that "its just a fancy
>> >>>>>> .22!" /s
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> It is. and how it's used is up to the person holding it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So you going to stand downrange to take a few 'mosquito bites'
>> >>>> or not?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -hh
>> >>>
>> >>> It's still just a gun.
>> >>
>> >> Sure is. My point is to not get mad at those who *laugh* at those
>> >> who fail to do their homework & pay twice as much as its actually
>> >> worth.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -hh
>> >
>> > Why do you care what someone else spends?
>>
>> Why are you getting mad when you're being laughed at?
>> /s
>>
> I knew you would run from that.
>

http://www.neverwalz.com

In article <vaj2ln$2l6be$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:66cceb54$1$1428124$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
> > In article <vaiij6$2ggu5$6@dont-email.me>,
> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>
> >> On 8/26/24 12:33 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >> > In article <vai6p3$2ggu5$2@dont-email.me>,
> >> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >> >>
> >> >> On 8/26/24 9:56 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >> >>> -hh says...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On 8/25/24 2:16 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >> >>>>> In article <vafpij$210a8$1@dont-email.me>,
> >> >>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On 8/24/24 4:04 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> -hh says...
> >> >>>>>>>> ...
> >> >>>>>>>> In any event, the saga of the popular civilian adoption of
> >> >>>>>>>> the AR is an interesting one, particularly in light of how
> >> >>>>>>>> little the DoD pays for them relative to how much they
> >> >>>>>>>> retail for in the civilian market...
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> It's just a gun.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Doesn't matter: a poor value product is still a poor value
> >> >>>>>> product.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Maybe you buy cheap shit.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Quite the opposite: the manufacturing which fails to meet MIL
> >> >>>> standards gets re-binned & sold off in the civilian market
> >> >>>> distribution channel.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> ...and that's despite how the MIL contracts has
> >> >>>>>>>> significantly higher QA and testing expenses in their
> >> >>>>>>>> manufacturing overhead.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> It's still just a gun.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> So? The point is that there's a large bunch of fools who pay
> >> >>>>>> too much.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> So? Why do you care?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Its the same fools who try the "derp! it wasn't an M16, but an
> >> >>>> M16A2!"
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> It comes down to marketing hype for a profitable product,
> >> >>>>>>>> just like how automakers push SUVs because they're more
> >> >>>>>>>> profitable for them too.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Guns don't kill people.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> So then if they're so harmless, you're saying that you're also
> >> >>>>>> willing to take the same risk of being hit by a few
> >> >>>>>> rounds...right?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> The gun didn't shoot them. The person holding the gun did.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> After all, you've defended the claim that "its just a fancy
> >> >>>>>> .22!" /s
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> It is. and how it's used is up to the person holding it.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> So you going to stand downrange to take a few 'mosquito bites'
> >> >>>> or not?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -hh
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It's still just a gun.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sure is. My point is to not get mad at those who *laugh* at those
> >> >> who fail to do their homework & pay twice as much as its actually
> >> >> worth.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -hh
> >> >
> >> > Why do you care what someone else spends?
> >>
> >> Why are you getting mad when you're being laughed at?
> >> /s
> >>
> > I knew you would run from that.
> >
>
> http://www.neverwalz.com

I made you do it again.

In news:u5hicjhk1ag72s72aoharoa60s2j5i4tkg@4ax.com, Governor Swill
<governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

> On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 15:32:10 -0700, "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
> wrote:
>> In news:o82icjpj5e0dl2o683kb4r80ebdjtk404p@4ax.com, X, formerly known as
>> "!Jones" <x@y.com> typed:
>>> If you have a medical emergency, stop reading, log off, and dial 911!
>>>> In news:q25fcjdokubeke0gp89bf8mddk4ngf4sae@4ax.com, X, formerly known as
>>>> "!Jones" <x@y.com> typed:

>>>>> If you have a medical emergency, stop reading, log off, and dial 911!

>>>>> I'm not speaking from personal knowledge because *I* didn't retire
>>>>> from the military; however, it is my understanding that one submits a
>>>>> *request* to retire that may either be approved or denied by the
>>>>> command.

>>>>> Methinks y'all are wasting your time with the "swift-boat" crap. That
>>>>> worked with Kerry because he took an oblique swipe at Bush's service
>>>>> (such as it was) in the Alabama Air National Guard and touted his own
>>>>> medals (which he had thrown away in front of a national TV camera crew
>>>>> a few years earlier.) Kerry was *not* a favorite of the Vietnam
>>>>> Veterans!

>>>>> Today, the Donald was an *obvious* draft dodger during the Vietnam War
>>>>> and Walz has never touted any specific heroics... you're wasting your
>>>>> time. You won't find a great audiance willing to hit their "like"
>>>>> buttons because Walz is well respected in military circles... *most*
>>>>> will tend to vote for him...

>>>> ... Jones claims, without a shred of evidence.

>>> You can't prove gravity either, Headley.

>> We have evidence of gravity.

> If we chop off Pence's head, will it fall to the ground at the same speed as
> Trump's?

"'We', kimosabe?"

In news:6f4lcj558mefa7ojj9d2nm7244051aghs7@4ax.com, X, formerly known as
"!Jones" <x@y.com> typed:

> If you have a medical emergency, stop reading, log off, and dial 911!

>>>> ... Jones claims, without a shred of evidence.

>>> You can't prove gravity either, Headley.

>> We have evidence of gravity.

> Depends on what you call "evidence", Headley. We know that masses
> accelerate together, and we can measure & predict the acceleration;
> however, we don't know why it's so. You can't show me a piece of
> gravity.

www.ligo.caltech.edu

> Whenever guns proliferate, gun violence also proliferates; however,
> you refuse to accept that fact as "evidence".

And whenever knives proliferate, knife violence also proliferates; whenever
swords proliferate, sword violence also proliferates; whenever bows and arrows
proliferate, bow and arrow violence also proliferates; whenever lances
proliferate, lance violence also proliferates....

Your point?

In news:vahri1$24i6v$1@dont-email.me, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
typed:

> On 8/25/24 5:01 PM, max headroom wrote:
>> In news:vafqk3$210a8$2@dont-email.me, -hh typed:
>>> On 8/20/24 12:49 AM, max headroom wrote:

>>>> You think all the CMSes weren't notified by their commander?

>>> What you're trying to get people to believe is that a CSM was notified
>>> by DA HQ of the deployment *before* the Unit Commander was notified.

>> Is English not your mother tongue?

> Your attempted insult shows the readers that you read the above and that
> you know that your argument is invalid.

> Indeed, ridiculously so.

> You've clearly never learned how the US Army operates: likely because
> the comic strip "Beetle Bailey" is the limit of your knowledge.

So you DO think all the CMSes weren't notified by their commander.

In news:vahrqn$24i6v$2@dont-email.me, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
typed:

> On 8/25/24 2:16 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>> In article <vafpij$210a8$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
>> says...
>>> On 8/24/24 4:04 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>> -hh says...
....
>>>>> In any event, the saga of the popular civilian adoption of the AR is an
>>>>> interesting one, particularly in light of how little the DoD pays for
>>>>> them relative to how much they retail for in the civilian market...

>>>> It's just a gun.

>>> Doesn't matter: a poor value product is still a poor value product.

>> Maybe you buy cheap shit.

> Quite the opposite: the manufacturing which fails to meet MIL standards
> gets re-binned & sold off in the civilian market distribution channel....

Not in the U.S.

In news:vagrpk$2a8pc$1@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com>
typed:

> "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
> news:vag70e$23aco$4@dont-email.me:
>> In news:vag115$229qo$8@dont-email.me, Baxter
>> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:66cb751b$1$212411
>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>> In article <vafqk3$210a8$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>> On 8/20/24 12:49 AM, max headroom wrote:

>>>>>> You think all the CMSes weren't notified by their commander?

>>>>> What you're trying to get people to believe is that a CSM was
>>>>> notified by DA HQ of the deployment *before* the Unit Commander was
>>>>> notified.

>>>>> Are you really sure that that's the hill you want to die on?

>>>> Walz lied.

>>> No he did not...

>> Yeah, he did.

>> https://freebeacon.com/democrats/for-tim-walz-a-pattern-of-prevaricatio
>> ns-stretches-back-almost-two-decades/

> LOL, and as reference you cite a conservaturd site...

Shoot the messenger.

> ... specializing in propaganda lies.

Post your rebuttals.

"max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
news:vaj4q7$2lgg9$6@dont-email.me:

> In news:vagrpk$2a8pc$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>
>> "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
>> news:vag70e$23aco$4@dont-email.me:
>>> In news:vag115$229qo$8@dont-email.me, Baxter
>>> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:66cb751b$1$212411 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>> In article <vafqk3$210a8$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>> On 8/20/24 12:49 AM, max headroom wrote:
>
>>>>>>> You think all the CMSes weren't notified by their commander?
>
>>>>>> What you're trying to get people to believe is that a CSM was
>>>>>> notified by DA HQ of the deployment *before* the Unit Commander
>>>>>> was notified.
>
>>>>>> Are you really sure that that's the hill you want to die on?
>
>>>>> Walz lied.
>
>>>> No he did not...
>
>>> Yeah, he did.
>
>>> https://freebeacon.com/democrats/for-tim-walz-a-pattern-of-prevaricat
>>> io ns-stretches-back-almost-two-decades/
>
>> LOL, and as reference you cite a conservaturd site...
>
> Shoot the messenger.

Some messengers are known liars - like this one
>
>> ... specializing in propaganda lies.
>
> Post your rebuttals.
>
Don't need a rebuttle - YOU need to post a better source for YOUR claim.

A classic "all garbage" response from -highhorse.

-hh wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>
>>> -highhorse wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sure is. My point is to not get mad at those who *laugh* at those who
>>>> fail to do their homework & pay twice as much as its actually worth.
>>>
>>> Why do you care what someone else spends?
>>
>> -highhorse knows better than the free market. Others are to be
>> ridiculed for making the "wrong" choice. I'm somewhat surprised that
>> he hasn't whined about "too much choice" in the gun market, and tasked
>> you with producing a "definitive guide" to which gun to buy.
>
>On the contrary:

Lie. -highhorse's *laugh* statement is ridicule for making the
"wrong" choice.

>I'm acknowledging that marketing hype works.

i.e. moving the goalposts.

>Case in point - how's your "Ultimate Driving Machine" these days?

More -highhorse ignorance and idiocy, as the 3-series was pretty-much
universally recognized as the best "driver's car" for the money, at
the time. At least in practical sedan form.

>...because its still at 3rd place on the Autobahn social hierarchy,
>despite how much they've invested in their marketing slogan. Golly!

Only a douchebag like -highhorse would consider the "social hierarchy"
of the car important.

The douchebag's response to this post will be deleted, unread.

--
"That's 4 for 4 whining on money, yet we're somehow supposed to
believe that no Linux fanboy considers cost a factor on Linux
'superiority'" - lying asshole "-hh", lying shamelessly

pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:vaiurn$2kk15$2@dont-email.me:

> On 2024-08-26, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 8/26/24 2:53 PM, chrisv wrote:
>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>
>>>> -highhorse wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure is. My point is to not get mad at those who *laugh* at those
>>>>> who fail to do their homework & pay twice as much as its actually
>>>>> worth.
>>>>
>>>> Why do you care what someone else spends?
>>>
>>> -highhorse knows better than the free market. Others are to be
>>> ridiculed for making the "wrong" choice. I'm somewhat surprised
>>> that he hasn't whined about "too much choice" in the gun market, and
>>> tasked you with producing a "definitive guide" to which gun to buy.
>>>
>>
>> On the contrary: I'm acknowledging that marketing hype works.
>>
>> Case in point - how's your "Ultimate Driving Machine" these days?
>>
>> ...because its still at 3rd place on the Autobahn social hierarchy,
>> despite how much they've invested in their marketing slogan. Golly!
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
> The media is very powerful and those who control the media control the
> people.

Then why did Trump win in 2016?

pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:vairb6$2k0up$2@dont-email.me:

>
>>
> Cool beans.
> You do realize that that your person who you claim posts useful
> information has about 1000+ nyms and also uses other people's nyms?
> Does your script account for that?

Someone hiding behind a nym
complaining about others hiding
behind a nym.

You are quite the coward.

In news:XnsB1DADF0DFED16629555@185.151.15.160, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
typed:

> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
> news:vaiurn$2kk15$2@dont-email.me:
>> On 2024-08-26, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>> On 8/26/24 2:53 PM, chrisv wrote:
>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> -highhorse wrote:

>>>>>> Sure is. My point is to not get mad at those who *laugh* at those
>>>>>> who fail to do their homework & pay twice as much as its actually
>>>>>> worth.

>>>>> Why do you care what someone else spends?

>>>> -highhorse knows better than the free market. Others are to be
>>>> ridiculed for making the "wrong" choice. I'm somewhat surprised
>>>> that he hasn't whined about "too much choice" in the gun market, and
>>>> tasked you with producing a "definitive guide" to which gun to buy.

>>> On the contrary: I'm acknowledging that marketing hype works.

>>> Case in point - how's your "Ultimate Driving Machine" these days?

>>> ...because its still at 3rd place on the Autobahn social hierarchy,
>>> despite how much they've invested in their marketing slogan. Golly!

>> The media is very powerful and those who control the media control the
>> people.

> Then why did Trump win in 2016?

Because they did their job too well. They promoted Trump through the primaries
because they believed he was the only Republican Hillary could beat, but they
built him up too much.

On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 18:05:36 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>On 8/26/24 2:53 PM, chrisv wrote:
>> Skeeter wrote:
>>
>>> -highhorse wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sure is. My point is to not get mad at those who *laugh* at those who
>>>> fail to do their homework & pay twice as much as its actually worth.
>>>
>>> Why do you care what someone else spends?
>>
>> -highhorse knows better than the free market. Others are to be
>> ridiculed for making the "wrong" choice. I'm somewhat surprised that
>> he hasn't whined about "too much choice" in the gun market, and tasked
>> you with producing a "definitive guide" to which gun to buy.
>>
>
>On the contrary: I'm acknowledging that marketing hype works.
>
>Case in point - how's your "Ultimate Driving Machine" these days?
>
>...because its still at 3rd place on the Autobahn social hierarchy,
>despite how much they've invested in their marketing slogan. Golly!

In the nineteen fifties, Phillip Morris' Marlboro was a slow seller trying to
compete with RJ Reynolds' Winston. In the nineteen sixties their ad agency came
up with the Marlboro man. What was once a "women's smoke" quickly became
America's best selling cigarette.

AI Overview
"As of February 2024, Marlboro is the world's best-selling cigarette brand, and
has been since 1972. Marlboro is produced by Philip Morris International (PMI),
a New York-based company that sells its products in more than 180 countries. In
2023, PMI had over $31.8 billion in sales, making it the world's leading tobacco
company by net sales. Marlboro is popular with affluent urban smokers who prefer
high-quality international brands. It also has a large share of the US cigarette
market, holding over 40%."
Search terms: "best selling cigarette in the world"

The power of marketing.

Trump tweet
"My administration will be great for women and reproductive rights."
Is he crazy? He's been bragging about getting rid of Roe for years. He claimed
in his first and second general election campaigns he'd sign a national ban. Now
he's flip flopped and said he wouldn't.

Worse than the hypocrisy is that he thinks anybody with more than two brain
cells to rub together would believe him.

--
#NEVERtrump

On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 03:04:38 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

>pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
>news:vaiurn$2kk15$2@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 2024-08-26, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>> On 8/26/24 2:53 PM, chrisv wrote:
>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> -highhorse wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure is. My point is to not get mad at those who *laugh* at those
>>>>>> who fail to do their homework & pay twice as much as its actually
>>>>>> worth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you care what someone else spends?
>>>>
>>>> -highhorse knows better than the free market. Others are to be
>>>> ridiculed for making the "wrong" choice. I'm somewhat surprised
>>>> that he hasn't whined about "too much choice" in the gun market, and
>>>> tasked you with producing a "definitive guide" to which gun to buy.
>>>>
>>>
>>> On the contrary: I'm acknowledging that marketing hype works.
>>>
>>> Case in point - how's your "Ultimate Driving Machine" these days?
>>>
>>> ...because its still at 3rd place on the Autobahn social hierarchy,
>>> despite how much they've invested in their marketing slogan. Golly!
>>>
>>>
>>> -hh
>>
>> The media is very powerful and those who control the media control the
>> people.
>
>
> Then why did Trump win in 2016?
>
>

Because CNN broadcast Trump's rallies live, in real time, in twenty to thirty
minute blocks without commercial interruption.

Star Wars getting real: The A-10 Warthog gets a laser blaster (Video less than
60 seconds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSXjJFPij0M
--
#NEVERtrump

On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 16:43:51 -0700, "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
wrote:

>> LOL, and as reference you cite a conservaturd site...
>
>Shoot the messenger.

I'll remind you of this response the next time YOU shoot one. ;)

Project 2025 is the "terms and conditions" of Trump's presidency. Don't just
skip past it and click "I agree".

Pg 696 paves the way for the abolition of Social Security. Universal Savings
Accounts is another term for "Wall Street knows better how to use your money
than you do". Tell it to 2008. 696 also eliminates the Biden achievement of
lowering medication prices for Medicare patients. This is a blatant giveaway of
billions of tax dollars to the pharmaceutical companies.

--
#NEVERtrump

On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 02:57:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

>pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
>news:vairb6$2k0up$2@dont-email.me:
>
>>
>>>
>> Cool beans.
>> You do realize that that your person who you claim posts useful
>> information has about 1000+ nyms and also uses other people's nyms?
>> Does your script account for that?
>
>
> Someone hiding behind a nym
>complaining about others hiding
>behind a nym.
>
> You are quite the coward.
>

That said, pothead consistently posts as pothead, just as you and I consistently
post under the same nym. Pothead is referring of course, to Rudy, though I
don't recall Creon saying Rudy's posts were that informative.

Project 2025 is the "terms and conditions" of Trump's presidency. Don't just
skip past it and click "I agree".
Pg 459 resurrects the Comstock as the foundation for preventing abortion nation
wide and throw abortion providers in jail as well as end contraception.

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On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 16:03:49 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
wrote:

>Baxter wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> news:66ccade8$0$212421$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>>> <shitsnip>
>>
>> http://www.neverwalz.com
>
>Heh heh. +1

+1 2

Nice job. :)

Trump has bragged repeatedly about ending abortion but is running away from the
Project 2025 call for a national ban.

"Former President Donald Trump bragged about the “amazing” accomplishment of
ending Roe v. Wade on Saturday — before telling a mostly evangelical crowd he
supported pregnancy termination in some situations. The presumptive Republican
presidential nominee made the comments at the Faith and Freedom Coalition
Conference in Washington DC just two days before the anniversary of the Supreme
Court ruling that overturned Roe."
<https://nypost.com/2024/06/22/us-news/trump-preaches-on-amazing-end-to-roe-v-wade-at-evangelical-conference/---

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On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 12:47:27 -0700, "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
wrote:

>In news:u5hicjhk1ag72s72aoharoa60s2j5i4tkg@4ax.com, Governor Swill
><governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 15:32:10 -0700, "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
>> wrote:
>>> In news:o82icjpj5e0dl2o683kb4r80ebdjtk404p@4ax.com, X, formerly known as
>>> "!Jones" <x@y.com> typed:
>>>> If you have a medical emergency, stop reading, log off, and dial 911!
>>>>> In news:q25fcjdokubeke0gp89bf8mddk4ngf4sae@4ax.com, X, formerly known as
>>>>> "!Jones" <x@y.com> typed:
>
>>>>>> If you have a medical emergency, stop reading, log off, and dial 911!
>
>>>>>> I'm not speaking from personal knowledge because *I* didn't retire
>>>>>> from the military; however, it is my understanding that one submits a
>>>>>> *request* to retire that may either be approved or denied by the
>>>>>> command.
>
>>>>>> Methinks y'all are wasting your time with the "swift-boat" crap. That
>>>>>> worked with Kerry because he took an oblique swipe at Bush's service
>>>>>> (such as it was) in the Alabama Air National Guard and touted his own
>>>>>> medals (which he had thrown away in front of a national TV camera crew
>>>>>> a few years earlier.) Kerry was *not* a favorite of the Vietnam
>>>>>> Veterans!
>
>>>>>> Today, the Donald was an *obvious* draft dodger during the Vietnam War
>>>>>> and Walz has never touted any specific heroics... you're wasting your
>>>>>> time. You won't find a great audiance willing to hit their "like"
>>>>>> buttons because Walz is well respected in military circles... *most*
>>>>>> will tend to vote for him...
>
>>>>> ... Jones claims, without a shred of evidence.
>
>>>> You can't prove gravity either, Headley.
>
>>> We have evidence of gravity.
>
>> If we chop off Pence's head, will it fall to the ground at the same speed as
>> Trump's?
>
>"'We', kimosabe?"
>

WHOOOOOOSH!

"Facing the press alongside the House speaker, fellow Republican Mike Johnson,
Donald Trump bragged: “We broke Roe v Wade.”"
<https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/12/donald-trump-abortion-roe-v-wade-election

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On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 13:37:51 -0700, "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com>
wrote:

>In news:6f4lcj558mefa7ojj9d2nm7244051aghs7@4ax.com, X, formerly known as
>"!Jones" <x@y.com> typed:
>
>> If you have a medical emergency, stop reading, log off, and dial 911!
>
>>>>> ... Jones claims, without a shred of evidence.
>
>>>> You can't prove gravity either, Headley.
>
>>> We have evidence of gravity.
>
>> Depends on what you call "evidence", Headley. We know that masses
>> accelerate together, and we can measure & predict the acceleration;
>> however, we don't know why it's so. You can't show me a piece of
>> gravity.
>
>www.ligo.caltech.edu
>
>> Whenever guns proliferate, gun violence also proliferates; however,
>> you refuse to accept that fact as "evidence".
>
>And whenever knives proliferate, knife violence also proliferates; whenever
>swords proliferate, sword violence also proliferates; whenever bows and arrows
>proliferate, bow and arrow violence also proliferates; whenever lances
>proliferate, lance violence also proliferates....
>
>Your point?

That guns are more deadly and kill more people faster and from a longer distance
away than those other methods. If that were not true, there would be no guns.

"Trump: 'I was able to kill Roe v. Wade' The former president and front-runner
for the 2024 Republican nomination leans into his key role in eliminating
federal abortion rights, taking credit for state-level bans."
<https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-was-able-kill-roe-v-wade-rcna84897

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On 8/26/24 7:38 PM, max headroom wrote:
> In news:vahrqn$24i6v$2@dont-email.me, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
> typed:
>
>> On 8/25/24 2:16 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <vafpij$210a8$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
>>> says...
>>>> On 8/24/24 4:04 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> -hh says...
> ...
>>>>>> In any event, the saga of the popular civilian adoption of the AR is an
>>>>>> interesting one, particularly in light of how little the DoD pays for
>>>>>> them relative to how much they retail for in the civilian market...
>
>>>>> It's just a gun.
>
>>>> Doesn't matter: a poor value product is still a poor value product.
>
>>> Maybe you buy cheap shit.
>
>> Quite the opposite: the manufacturing which fails to meet MIL standards
>> gets re-binned & sold off in the civilian market distribution channel....
>
> Not in the U.S.

With ~99% parts commonality, why wouldn't both be coming off of the same
production line?

Likewise, a requirement for dedicated facilities is obsolete today; it
was removed years ago from even the Lake City (LCAAP) Government Owned
Contractor Operated (GOCO) ammunition contract:

"If you heard the rumor that Lake City Army Ammunition plant has stopped
manufacturing and selling commercial ammunition to focus on military
sales, you’ve been duped. Yes, the rumor is false and Lake City Army
Ammunition Plant put it to rest yesterday when they posted onto their
Social media, “Joint Munitions Command has not changed its policy
regarding commercial production at Lake City. Lake City has not
cancelled commercial contracts.” So, you can ease back on your panic
buying and loosen that tinfoil regarding at least THIS conspiracy theory."

<https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/lake-city-false-rumors/485050>

FYI, when you're in that neighborhood, a good stop for BBQ is Zarda's in
Blue Springs.

-hh

On 8/26/24 10:47 PM, chrisv wrote:
> A classic "all garbage" response from -highhorse.
>
> -hh wrote:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>
>>>> -highhorse wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure is. My point is to not get mad at those who *laugh* at those who
>>>>> fail to do their homework & pay twice as much as its actually worth.
>>>>
>>>> Why do you care what someone else spends?
>>>
>>> -highhorse knows better than the free market. Others are to be
>>> ridiculed for making the "wrong" choice. I'm somewhat surprised that
>>> he hasn't whined about "too much choice" in the gun market, and tasked
>>> you with producing a "definitive guide" to which gun to buy.
>>
>> On the contrary:
>
> Lie. -highhorse's *laugh* statement is ridicule for making the
> "wrong" choice.

Nah, a *laugh* would only apply if you grossly overpaid, and compared to
the retail profit margins on AR-15's, a BMW just isn't overpriced.

>> I'm acknowledging that marketing hype works.
>
> i.e. moving the goalposts.
>
>> Case in point - how's your "Ultimate Driving Machine" these days?
>
> More -highhorse ignorance and idiocy, as the 3-series was pretty-much
> universally recognized as the best "driver's car" for the money, at
> the time. At least in practical sedan form.

So? Because best-for-the-money is now synonymous with "Ultimate"?
Oops.

And because a penultimate "Driving Machine" also has to be a sedan?
Oops.

Remind us again about who is doing the goalpost moving...!

>> ...because its still at 3rd place on the Autobahn social hierarchy,
>> despite how much they've invested in their marketing slogan. Golly!
>
> Only a douchebag like -highhorse would consider the "social hierarchy"
> of the car important.

Yet its insecure BMW owners who get worked up into a froth about it ;-)

> The douchebag's response to this post will be deleted, unread.
>

Thereby reminding all of the non-COLA groups of how easily you're pwned!

-hh

In article <vaje46$2qgbd$1@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
> news:vaj4q7$2lgg9$6@dont-email.me:
>
> > In news:vagrpk$2a8pc$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
> > <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
> >
> >> "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
> >> news:vag70e$23aco$4@dont-email.me:
> >>> In news:vag115$229qo$8@dont-email.me, Baxter
> >>> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
> >>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >>>> news:66cb751b$1$212411 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>> In article <vafqk3$210a8$2@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>>> On 8/20/24 12:49 AM, max headroom wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>> You think all the CMSes weren't notified by their commander?
> >
> >>>>>> What you're trying to get people to believe is that a CSM was
> >>>>>> notified by DA HQ of the deployment *before* the Unit Commander
> >>>>>> was notified.
> >
> >>>>>> Are you really sure that that's the hill you want to die on?
> >
> >>>>> Walz lied.
> >
> >>>> No he did not...
> >
> >>> Yeah, he did.
> >
> >>> https://freebeacon.com/democrats/for-tim-walz-a-pattern-of-prevaricat
> >>> io ns-stretches-back-almost-two-decades/
> >
> >> LOL, and as reference you cite a conservaturd site...
> >
> > Shoot the messenger.
>
> Some messengers are known liars - like this one
> >
> >> ... specializing in propaganda lies.
> >
> > Post your rebuttals.
> >
> Don't need a rebuttle - YOU need to post a better source for YOUR claim.

You mean like CNN? That's laughable.

In article <vakela$2vdj8$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 8/26/24 10:47 PM, chrisv wrote:
> > A classic "all garbage" response from -highhorse.
> >
> > -hh wrote:
> >
> >> chrisv wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> -highhorse wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sure is. My point is to not get mad at those who *laugh* at those who
> >>>>> fail to do their homework & pay twice as much as its actually worth.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why do you care what someone else spends?
> >>>
> >>> -highhorse knows better than the free market. Others are to be
> >>> ridiculed for making the "wrong" choice. I'm somewhat surprised that
> >>> he hasn't whined about "too much choice" in the gun market, and tasked
> >>> you with producing a "definitive guide" to which gun to buy.
> >>
> >> On the contrary:
> >
> > Lie. -highhorse's *laugh* statement is ridicule for making the
> > "wrong" choice.
>
> Nah, a *laugh* would only apply if you grossly overpaid, and compared to
> the retail profit margins on AR-15's, a BMW just isn't overpriced.

Why do you care?
>
>
> >> I'm acknowledging that marketing hype works.
> >
> > i.e. moving the goalposts.
> >
> >> Case in point - how's your "Ultimate Driving Machine" these days?
> >
> > More -highhorse ignorance and idiocy, as the 3-series was pretty-much
> > universally recognized as the best "driver's car" for the money, at
> > the time. At least in practical sedan form.
>
> So? Because best-for-the-money is now synonymous with "Ultimate"?
> Oops.
>
> And because a penultimate "Driving Machine" also has to be a sedan?
> Oops.
>
> Remind us again about who is doing the goalpost moving...!
>
>
> >> ...because its still at 3rd place on the Autobahn social hierarchy,
> >> despite how much they've invested in their marketing slogan. Golly!
> >
> > Only a douchebag like -highhorse would consider the "social hierarchy"
> > of the car important.
>
> Yet its insecure BMW owners who get worked up into a froth about it ;-)
>
>
> > The douchebag's response to this post will be deleted, unread.
> >
>
> Thereby reminding all of the non-COLA groups of how easily you're pwned!
>
>
> -hh

In article <XnsB1DADDD89384629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
says...
>
> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
> news:vairb6$2k0up$2@dont-email.me:
>
> >
> >>
> > Cool beans.
> > You do realize that that your person who you claim posts useful
> > information has about 1000+ nyms and also uses other people's nyms?
> > Does your script account for that?
>
>
> Someone hiding behind a nym
> complaining about others hiding
> behind a nym.
>
> You are quite the coward.

She keeps the same nym and doesn't change many times a week. You are
really this dumb?