On 2024-09-18, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> rbowman wrote:
>
>>I'm going to make myself a big bowl of popcorn with real Kerrygold butter,
>>sit back and watch. It doesn't make a big rat's ass difference in the long
>>run.
>
> I fear for our children, however. This country is being overrun by
> immigrants from other cultures.
>
> The tyrants want to break down our society and control every aspect of
> our lives. Your air conditioner will run only when it's allowed.
> Your car will spy on you and only go where it's allowed. Literally!
> They will be able to shut it down remotely!
>
> We will be weak and subservient to the Chinese Communist Party. They
> will control our infrastructure. They will make all of our solar
> cells, wind turbines and transformers. They will own and refine most
> of the critical ingredients in batteries. They will make our
> vaccines. Once they take Taiwan, they will own almost all of the
> advanced chip making.
>
> This is our future, if the leftists get what they want.
>
+100
I like this poast.

--
Charlie Glock
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
- Thomas Jefferson 1776

On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:09:06 -0400, Joel wrote:

> What you're talking about is called the global economy, the migrants and
> illegal immigrants are part of this. America isn't the kind of place
> that puts razor wire in rivers, as a certain state did usurping federal
> jurisdiction of an international border. I mention the state in my sig,
> because of their first in the nation bonkers political intervention in a
> medical abortion.

I am realistic enough to know what sort of world I live in but when
'global economy' is the primary concern I consider it to be a society well
past its prime.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>> What you're talking about is called the global economy, the migrants and
>> illegal immigrants are part of this. America isn't the kind of place
>> that puts razor wire in rivers, as a certain state did usurping federal
>> jurisdiction of an international border. I mention the state in my sig,
>> because of their first in the nation bonkers political intervention in a
>> medical abortion.
>
>I am realistic enough to know what sort of world I live in but when
>'global economy' is the primary concern I consider it to be a society well
>past its prime.

It's funny how things that diversify us racially make us "past our
prime" ...

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:48:13 -0400, Joel wrote:

> It's funny how things that diversify us racially make us "past our
> prime" ...

Other people would call it tragic. At one time the US put a man on the
moon. This year they need to call Uber to get two people back from orbit.
Related to that Boeing used to build working aircraft.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/09/16/gender-neutral-submarine-uss-new-
jersey/

I suppose that warms your heart. It's a nuke. Unless things have changed
since a friend served on a nuke they leave port, submerge, and stay
submerged for up to three months. That ought to be long enough to cook up
an interesting social experiment.

On the civilian front, whatever happened to the $42 billion broadband
access for rural areas Harris was supposed to be overseeing? According to
the head of the FCC there have been exactly zero people hooked up.

It's a lot more than racial diversity. A society can choose to foster the
best and the brightest or the marginal cases.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>> It's funny how things that diversify us racially make us "past our
>> prime" ...
>
>Other people would call it tragic. At one time the US put a man on the
>moon. This year they need to call Uber to get two people back from orbit.
>Related to that Boeing used to build working aircraft.
>
>https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/09/16/gender-neutral-submarine-uss-new-
>jersey/
>
>I suppose that warms your heart. It's a nuke. Unless things have changed
>since a friend served on a nuke they leave port, submerge, and stay
>submerged for up to three months. That ought to be long enough to cook up
>an interesting social experiment.
>
>On the civilian front, whatever happened to the $42 billion broadband
>access for rural areas Harris was supposed to be overseeing? According to
>the head of the FCC there have been exactly zero people hooked up.
>
>It's a lot more than racial diversity. A society can choose to foster the
>best and the brightest or the marginal cases.

The migration/immigration issue does not end our American greatness,
it builds on it, welcome to DJT being made defeated again by KDH,
welcome to 2025.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 22:10:29 -0400, Joel wrote:

> The migration/immigration issue does not end our American greatness,
> it builds on it, welcome to DJT being made defeated again by KDH,
> welcome to 2025.

Yeah, even the Dominican Republic loves vibrant diversity.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/04/dominican-republic-must-
stop-racist-immigration-policies/

Unchecked immigration of people who can't even make it in their own
countries is sure to be an improvement. This isn't the cream of the crop.

On 2024-09-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 22:10:29 -0400, Joel wrote:
>
>> The migration/immigration issue does not end our American greatness,
>> it builds on it, welcome to DJT being made defeated again by KDH,
>> welcome to 2025.
>
> Yeah, even the Dominican Republic loves vibrant diversity.
>
> https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/04/dominican-republic-must-
> stop-racist-immigration-policies/
>
> Unchecked immigration of people who can't even make it in their own
> countries is sure to be an improvement. This isn't the cream of the crop.

Sweden is such a mess that they are offering the illegal migrants $34k to leave and never come back.

<https://www.barrons.com/news/sweden-says-to-pay-immigrants-up-to-34-000-to-leave-b78b988c>

<https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sweden-to-offer-immigrants-34-000-to-leave-country/ar-AA1qwAMA
>

--
pothead
Kamala Harris Word Salad Special Of The Day
Served Complete With Venn Diagram Dressing

On 2024-09-19, pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
> On 2024-09-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 22:10:29 -0400, Joel wrote:
>>
>>> The migration/immigration issue does not end our American greatness,
>>> it builds on it, welcome to DJT being made defeated again by KDH,
>>> welcome to 2025.
>>
>> Yeah, even the Dominican Republic loves vibrant diversity.
>>
>> https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/04/dominican-republic-must-
>> stop-racist-immigration-policies/
>>
>> Unchecked immigration of people who can't even make it in their own
>> countries is sure to be an improvement. This isn't the cream of the crop.
>
> Sweden is such a mess that they are offering the illegal migrants $34k to leave and never come back.
>
><https://www.barrons.com/news/sweden-says-to-pay-immigrants-up-to-34-000-to-leave-b78b988c>
>
><https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sweden-to-offer-immigrants-34-000-to-leave-country/ar-AA1qwAMA

They're starting to figure it out in Europe. Germany is starting to close
their borders to immigrants and they are doing something to at least slow
immigration in the Netherlands. I guess even in the most moron Left Woke
countries daily murder and rape starts to get old.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-09-18, Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:
> On 2024-09-18, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> rbowman wrote:
>>
>>>I'm going to make myself a big bowl of popcorn with real Kerrygold butter,
>>>sit back and watch. It doesn't make a big rat's ass difference in the long
>>>run.
>>
>> I fear for our children, however. This country is being overrun by
>> immigrants from other cultures.
>>
>> The tyrants want to break down our society and control every aspect of
>> our lives. Your air conditioner will run only when it's allowed.
>> Your car will spy on you and only go where it's allowed. Literally!
>> They will be able to shut it down remotely!
>>
>> We will be weak and subservient to the Chinese Communist Party. They
>> will control our infrastructure. They will make all of our solar
>> cells, wind turbines and transformers. They will own and refine most
>> of the critical ingredients in batteries. They will make our
>> vaccines. Once they take Taiwan, they will own almost all of the
>> advanced chip making.
>>
>> This is our future, if the leftists get what they want.
>>
> +100
> I like this poast.

That's basically my problem. I'm old and won't be around too much longer,
but I've got kids and grandkids so it's not possible for me to take a
_laissez-faire_ attitude towards the "Sovietization" of our country. The
gulags are not that far away.

I saw on the news that 28% of the Democrats polled thought it would have
been better if Trump had been killed in one of the assassination attempts.
We're quickly descending into a violent, moron Woke Left anarchy.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> <snip>
>
> On the civilian front, whatever happened to the $42 billion broadband
> access for rural areas Harris was supposed to be overseeing? According to
> the head of the FCC there have been exactly zero people hooked up.

The Trump speed-bump?

Or...?

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why-the-federal-government-needs-to-step-up-their-efforts-to-close-the-rural-broadband-divide/

Without accurate depictions and data on how residents in rural, urban, and
tribal lands are adversely impacted by the lack of available and sufficient
high-speed broadband, certain populations will be left without sufficient
online connectivity and remain on the wrong side of digital opportunities,
particularly those populations already impacted by a range of historic and
systemic inequalities throughout America’s rural South and Black Belt
regions.

--
Cold, adj.:
When the politicians walk around with their hands in their own pockets.

Joel wrote:

> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>
>>I am realistic enough to know what sort of world I live in but when
>>'global economy' is the primary concern I consider it to be a society well
>>past its prime.
>
>It's funny how things that diversify us racially make us "past our
>prime" ...

What's funny about that? Will you deny that crime rates surge in
areas with large amounts of immigrants? That people who used to feel
safe no longer feel safe? That this is a major decline in quality of
life?

Are you completely unaware of this happening, in many places in the
world?

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>Joel wrote:
>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I am realistic enough to know what sort of world I live in but when
>>>'global economy' is the primary concern I consider it to be a society well
>>>past its prime.
>>
>>It's funny how things that diversify us racially make us "past our
>>prime" ...
>
>What's funny about that? Will you deny that crime rates surge in
>areas with large amounts of immigrants? That people who used to feel
>safe no longer feel safe? That this is a major decline in quality of
>life?
>
>Are you completely unaware of this happening, in many places in the
>world?

I would be more willing to entertain this discussion if white people
hadn't conquered North America in the first place.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>> The migration/immigration issue does not end our American greatness,
>> it builds on it, welcome to DJT being made defeated again by KDH,
>> welcome to 2025.
>
>Yeah, even the Dominican Republic loves vibrant diversity.
>
>https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/04/dominican-republic-must-
>stop-racist-immigration-policies/
>
>Unchecked immigration of people who can't even make it in their own
>countries is sure to be an improvement. This isn't the cream of the crop.

No one's suggesting that it go unchecked. But that it be tolerated,
within reason.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 11:41:01 -0400, Joel wrote:

> I would be more willing to entertain this discussion if white people
> hadn't conquered North America in the first place.

The relevant word is 'conquered'. White Europeans prevailed through
superior technology. Sadly they degenerated to the point where they let
the third world invade, handing them cell phones and money on arrival.

The trend for the self-haters to cut their balls off and pretend to be
little girls is telling.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>> I would be more willing to entertain this discussion if white people
>> hadn't conquered North America in the first place.
>
>The relevant word is 'conquered'. White Europeans prevailed through
>superior technology. Sadly they degenerated to the point where they let
>the third world invade, handing them cell phones and money on arrival.
>
>The trend for the self-haters to cut their balls off and pretend to be
>little girls is telling.

That's primitive, nationalistic thought, vote for DJT all you want,
but he's gonna be made defeated again. We're not going back.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 07:36:33 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Without accurate depictions and data on how residents in rural,
> urban, and tribal lands are adversely impacted by the lack of
> available and sufficient high-speed broadband, certain populations
> will be left without sufficient online connectivity and remain on
> the wrong side of digital opportunities, particularly those
> populations already impacted by a range of historic and systemic
> inequalities throughout America’s rural South and Black Belt
> regions.

"More specifically, the legislation emphasizes the importance of
prioritizing build-out and deployment in these areas, and goes as far as
setting speed guidelines for locations by ranking projects higher if they
target areas that are “unserved,” with under 25 Mbps downstream and three
Mbps upstream (or 25/3 Mbps) broadband speeds"

According to https://fiber.google.com/speedtest/

DOWNLOAD 28.2 Mbps
UPLOAD 4.1 Mbps

Gee, I guess I'm 'served'. That's on a good day; before I rebooted the
wireless mode4m it was 4.1 Mbps download and it didn't come up with an
upload speed. I'm not using wireless because it is inexpensive, fast, and
reliable. The other option would be StarLink. Other satellite providers
have very poor reputations. Last time I looked this was the rural North.

That still doesn't answer the question of where the 42 billion
appropriated by the Biden administration went. Studies by their cronies to
conclude the 'black belt' was unserved?

On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 11:48:53 -0400, Joel wrote:

> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>>> The migration/immigration issue does not end our American greatness,
>>> it builds on it, welcome to DJT being made defeated again by KDH,
>>> welcome to 2025.
>>
>>Yeah, even the Dominican Republic loves vibrant diversity.
>>
>>https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/04/dominican-republic-must-
>>stop-racist-immigration-policies/
>>
>>Unchecked immigration of people who can't even make it in their own
>>countries is sure to be an improvement. This isn't the cream of the
>>crop.
>
>
> No one's suggesting that it go unchecked. But that it be tolerated,
> within reason.

How many millions are 'within reason'? How many chicken pluckers making
less than the minimum wage do we need?

I have a sneaking suspicion that MacGregor, the person in Ohio who is
praising his new, cheap labor pool of Haitians is a Republican.

It's a matter of public record that DeWine, the governor who facilitated
the Haitian influx is a Republican. He also passed gun control measures
and covid lockdowns. No help there.

How about the Ohio legislature? There is a supermajority of Republicans in
both houses. I guess they like cheap labor too.

I guess 'within reason' means how much cheap labor and low level consumers
the Republicans want to import or how many voters to extend their control
forever the Democrats want.

No problem. Russia, China, and India will step up when the US destroys
itself. Things really do move faster these days. It took Rome and Britain
much longer to fall.

Joel wrote:
> You're buying into a pessimistic view that will never work.
>
>
speaking of never working...get a job you lazy faggot

% <present@qmail.net> wrote:

>> You're buying into a pessimistic view that will never work.
>>
>speaking of never working...get a job you lazy faggot

Because my having such a job would make such a big difference to the
world ...

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

rbowman wrote:

> Joel wrote:
>>
>> I would be more willing to entertain this discussion if white people
>> hadn't conquered North America in the first place.
>
>The relevant word is 'conquered'. White Europeans prevailed through
>superior technology. Sadly they degenerated to the point where they let
>the third world invade, handing them cell phones and money on arrival.
>
>The trend for the self-haters to cut their balls off and pretend to be
>little girls is telling.

I guess that the kook thinks that "white people" should have no say
whatsoever, as to who is allowed to come here.

*Some* people would say that we built one heck of a country, here, so
*do* have a say.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 12:48:04 -0400, Joel wrote:

> That's primitive, nationalistic thought, vote for DJT all you want,
> but he's gonna be made defeated again. We're not going back.

We will see in the long run whether the so-called 'civic nationalism' or
true nationalism prevails. You might want to review what the root,
'nation' implies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation#Etymology_and_terminology

The US is merely a state, a political entity, whose existence is premised
on Enlightenment ideals. At one time it was a nation of sorts but that
time is long gone. 1965 was a watershed year.

Several instances of nations still exist, Russia, China, and Japan for
example. Japan is a special case since it is still laboring under its
defeat in WWII. India is another special case. Under the BJP it has become
Hindu nationalist, emphasizing the shared culture. With millennia of
diversity behind it, it somehow works.

Which will be the winner in the 21st century?

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>rbowman wrote:
>> Joel wrote:
>>>
>>> I would be more willing to entertain this discussion if white people
>>> hadn't conquered North America in the first place.
>>
>>The relevant word is 'conquered'. White Europeans prevailed through
>>superior technology. Sadly they degenerated to the point where they let
>>the third world invade, handing them cell phones and money on arrival.
>>
>>The trend for the self-haters to cut their balls off and pretend to be
>>little girls is telling.
>
>I guess that the kook thinks that "white people" should have no say
>whatsoever, as to who is allowed to come here.
>
>*Some* people would say that we built one heck of a country, here, so
>*do* have a say.

I hate to be the one to tell you, Chris, but *you* are the "kook". As
are a lot of the played out people here on Usenet in 2024, though ...

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 13:57:09 -0400, Joel wrote:

> The West isn't falling, America isn't falling. You're buying into a
> pessimistic view that will never work.

Keep telling yourself that. What does it tell you when the supposed leader
of the US is so senile his own party torpedoed him? Is that a healthy
state? Does a healthy state become dependent on a potential enemy like the
PRC? It's probable you will be more affected by the decline than I will.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_too_shall_pass

On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 13:29:17 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> rbowman wrote:
>
>> Joel wrote:
>>>
>>> I would be more willing to entertain this discussion if white people
>>> hadn't conquered North America in the first place.
>>
>>The relevant word is 'conquered'. White Europeans prevailed through
>>superior technology. Sadly they degenerated to the point where they let
>>the third world invade, handing them cell phones and money on arrival.
>>
>>The trend for the self-haters to cut their balls off and pretend to be
>>little girls is telling.
>
> I guess that the kook thinks that "white people" should have no say
> whatsoever, as to who is allowed to come here.
>
> *Some* people would say that we built one heck of a country, here, so
> *do* have a say.

That was the case until Manny Celler and his shabbas goy, Phil Hart,
stacked the deck.

"our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. ...
Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset."

Fat Teddy Kennedy, hero of Chappaquiddick.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>> The West isn't falling, America isn't falling. You're buying into a
>> pessimistic view that will never work.
>
>Keep telling yourself that. What does it tell you when the supposed leader
>of the US is so senile his own party torpedoed him? Is that a healthy
>state? Does a healthy state become dependent on a potential enemy like the
>PRC? It's probable you will be more affected by the decline than I will.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_too_shall_pass

I would almost believe this if Trump were going to win, but he isn't.
Kamala will make him defeated again, and we will have our place in
world power, maybe not the same "superpower", but we aren't going to
be erased.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.