On 2024-12-20 16:50, will wrote:
> In <f076mjtsc1b1b6ivob90g7m9e9gt465md9@4ax.com> Joel wrote:
>>
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I didn't "fail" to do anything, I had working media, neither Linux
>>>>>> distro's USB booted to anything on the screen - you are a fucking
>>>>>> moron.
>>>>>
>>>>> You imagine the words "working media" mean "works on everything
>>>>> forever", do you?
>>>>
>>>> I had used them *recently* on the old computer, they were made by it.
>>>> Could it be that there was a way to install Linux, though, yes there
>>>> still are other distros like Gentoo, but I got the sense I should just
>>>> enjoy Winblows for a while, and predictably I've switched back to
>>>> Linux on the new hardware.
>>>
>>> You are good at making excuses, I'll give you that.
>>
>>
>> What excuse did I make? I talk real talk. Yes, there was an issue
>> with booting USB installer disks to try Linux on the new machine.
>> Later, when I was tired of Windows, I have had great results using
>> Linux on the machine.
>
> Why limit yourself to one OS? Run both.

Or as you could do on a Mac: run all three!

will <willford@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> when I was tired of Windows, I have had great results using
>> Linux on the machine.
>
>Why limit yourself to one OS? Run both.

I have no desire to see M$ booted on my system again.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-20 17:17, Joel wrote:
> will <willford@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> when I was tired of Windows, I have had great results using
>>> Linux on the machine.
>>
>> Why limit yourself to one OS? Run both.
>
>
> I have no desire to see M$ booted on my system again.
>

And yet you CHOSE to use it...

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-12-20 16:50, will wrote:
>>
>> Why limit yourself to one OS? Run both.
>
>Or as you could do on a Mac: run all three!

The Mac running Winblows is not that credible, possible to boot it
sure, but it's a small side thing.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-12-20 17:17, Joel wrote:
>> will <willford@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> when I was tired of Windows, I have had great results using
>>>> Linux on the machine.
>>>
>>> Why limit yourself to one OS? Run both.
>>
>> I have no desire to see M$ booted on my system again.
>
>And yet you CHOSE to use it...

You're talking about old news. I don't use it now.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-20 17:19, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-20 16:50, will wrote:
>>>
>>> Why limit yourself to one OS? Run both.
>>
>> Or as you could do on a Mac: run all three!
>
>
> The Mac running Winblows is not that credible, possible to boot it
> sure, but it's a small side thing.
It is absolutely credible...

....or at least it was absolutely credible...

....until Apple started producing better processors and using them.

:-)

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-12-20 17:19, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-20 16:50, will wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why limit yourself to one OS? Run both.
>>>
>>> Or as you could do on a Mac: run all three!
>>
>> The Mac running Winblows is not that credible, possible to boot it
>> sure, but it's a small side thing.
>It is absolutely credible...
>
>...or at least it was absolutely credible...
>
>...until Apple started producing better processors and using them.
>
>:-)

I destroyed the MacBook with Windows 7 along with my friend, it was a
fun thing to try out OS X and see Windows on Apple hardware.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-20 17:50, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-20 17:19, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-20 16:50, will wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Why limit yourself to one OS? Run both.
>>>>
>>>> Or as you could do on a Mac: run all three!
>>>
>>> The Mac running Winblows is not that credible, possible to boot it
>>> sure, but it's a small side thing.
>> It is absolutely credible...
>>
>> ...or at least it was absolutely credible...
>>
>> ...until Apple started producing better processors and using them.
>>
>> :-)
>
>
> I destroyed the MacBook with Windows 7 along with my friend, it was a
> fun thing to try out OS X and see Windows on Apple hardware.
Suuuuure you did.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-12-20 17:50, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-20 17:19, Joel wrote:
>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-12-20 16:50, will wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why limit yourself to one OS? Run both.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or as you could do on a Mac: run all three!
>>>>
>>>> The Mac running Winblows is not that credible, possible to boot it
>>>> sure, but it's a small side thing.
>>> It is absolutely credible...
>>>
>>> ...or at least it was absolutely credible...
>>>
>>> ...until Apple started producing better processors and using them.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> I destroyed the MacBook with Windows 7 along with my friend, it was a
>> fun thing to try out OS X and see Windows on Apple hardware.
>Suuuuure you did.

You have a lot of gall, Alan, this thing did fry with Win7 on it. And
it's not surprising, given its meager specs. Apple putting Snow
Leopard on it only really demonstrates that Linux would deliver Unix
and distro customizations without paying for Apple's hardware, instead
replacing a worthless Winblows Home OEM setup on much more potent
laptop hardware.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 12/20/24 8:42 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-12-20 17:19, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-20 16:50, will wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why limit yourself to one OS?  Run both.
>>>
>>> Or as you could do on a Mac: run all three!
>>
>>
>> The Mac running Winblows is not that credible, possible to boot it
>> sure, but it's a small side thing.
> It is absolutely credible...
>
> ...or at least it was absolutely credible...
>
> ...until Apple started producing better processors and using them.
>
> :-)

Its just no longer Boot Camp today, but easily done by running within a
VM; ARM64 Windows 11 is presently at version 24H2: same as x86 Win11.

-hh

On 2024-12-20 18:57, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-20 17:50, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-20 17:19, Joel wrote:
>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-12-20 16:50, will wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why limit yourself to one OS? Run both.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or as you could do on a Mac: run all three!
>>>>>
>>>>> The Mac running Winblows is not that credible, possible to boot it
>>>>> sure, but it's a small side thing.
>>>> It is absolutely credible...
>>>>
>>>> ...or at least it was absolutely credible...
>>>>
>>>> ...until Apple started producing better processors and using them.
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>> I destroyed the MacBook with Windows 7 along with my friend, it was a
>>> fun thing to try out OS X and see Windows on Apple hardware.
>> Suuuuure you did.
>
>
> You have a lot of gall, Alan, this thing did fry with Win7 on it. And
> it's not surprising, given its meager specs. Apple putting Snow>
Leopard on it only really demonstrates that Linux would deliver Unix
> and distro customizations without paying for Apple's hardware, instead
> replacing a worthless Winblows Home OEM setup on much more potent
> laptop hardware.
Sorry.

Describe HOW you supposedly put Windows 7 on that Mac.

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>ARM64 Windows 11 is presently at version 24H2: same as x86 Win11.

No kidding. In December of 2024. What a mind-blowing observation.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> I destroyed the MacBook with Windows 7 along with my friend, it was a
>>>> fun thing to try out OS X and see Windows on Apple hardware.
>>> Suuuuure you did.
>>
>> You have a lot of gall, Alan, this thing did fry with Win7 on it. And
> > it's not surprising, given its meager specs. Apple putting Snow>
>Leopard on it only really demonstrates that Linux would deliver Unix
>> and distro customizations without paying for Apple's hardware, instead
>> replacing a worthless Winblows Home OEM setup on much more potent
>> laptop hardware.
>Sorry.
>
>Describe HOW you supposedly put Windows 7 on that Mac.

Easily, you bypass Apple, you eliminate OS X AKA macOS from the
machine.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>[Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by running within a
>VM

You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to buy Apple to
run M$, though.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 12/20/2024 7:05 PM, -hh wrote:
> On 12/20/24 8:42 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-12-20 17:19, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-20 16:50, will wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Why limit yourself to one OS?  Run both.
>>>>
>>>> Or as you could do on a Mac: run all three!
>>>
>>>
>>> The Mac running Winblows is not that credible, possible to boot it
>>> sure, but it's a small side thing.
>> It is absolutely credible...
>>
>> ...or at least it was absolutely credible...
>>
>> ...until Apple started producing better processors and using them.
>>
>> :-)
>
> Its just no longer Boot Camp today, but easily done by running within a
> VM; ARM64 Windows 11 is presently at version 24H2: same as x86 Win11.

Compatibility on 11 is poor. Some things run okay, other things like
enterprise storage management software has fractured windows that
operate but can't display anything. The software works fine on 10,8,7.
It has another three years before it's EOS/EOL so equipment owners must
maintain Windows 10 VMs to manage their investments unless an OEM
provides updates.

On 12/20/24 11:31 PM, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>> [Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by running within a
>> VM
>
>
> You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to buy Apple to
> run M$, though.
>

But when its better hardware that you're valuing, and you've already
indicated a Febb-like willingness to blow through personal time to build
a machine ...

.... there's no excuse not to.

-hh

On 12/21/24 12:37 AM, ND beat Indy wrote:
> On 12/20/2024 7:05 PM, -hh wrote:
>> On 12/20/24 8:42 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-20 17:19, Joel wrote:
>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-12-20 16:50, will wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why limit yourself to one OS?  Run both.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or as you could do on a Mac: run all three!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Mac running Winblows is not that credible, possible to boot it
>>>> sure, but it's a small side thing.
>>>
>>> It is absolutely credible...
>>>
>>> ...or at least it was absolutely credible...
>>>
>>> ...until Apple started producing better processors and using them.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> Its just no longer Boot Camp today, but easily done by running within
>> a VM; ARM64 Windows 11 is presently at version 24H2: same as x86 Win11.
>
> Compatibility on 11 is poor.  Some things run okay, other things like
> enterprise storage management software has fractured windows that
> operate but can't display anything.  The software works fine on 10,8,7.
> It has another three years before it's EOS/EOL so equipment owners must
> maintain Windows 10 VMs to manage their investments unless an OEM
> provides updates.

Sure, because all software developers have their own priority list, even
if customers' workflows are hindered by it.

Fortunately, in a big enterprise setup where there's big corporate
storage management, if an employee's duties requires both MacOS and
WinOS, the business solution is to simply buy them the hardware of one
of each & not worry about one PC trying to do both via a VM. BTDT.

-hh

On 2024-12-20 19:17, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> I destroyed the MacBook with Windows 7 along with my friend, it was a
>>>>> fun thing to try out OS X and see Windows on Apple hardware.
>>>> Suuuuure you did.
>>>
>>> You have a lot of gall, Alan, this thing did fry with Win7 on it. And
>>> it's not surprising, given its meager specs. Apple putting Snow>
>> Leopard on it only really demonstrates that Linux would deliver Unix
>>> and distro customizations without paying for Apple's hardware, instead
>>> replacing a worthless Winblows Home OEM setup on much more potent
>>> laptop hardware.
>> Sorry.
>>
>> Describe HOW you supposedly put Windows 7 on that Mac.
>
>
> Easily, you bypass Apple, you eliminate OS X AKA macOS from the
> machine.
>

That's not actually an explanation...

Personally, I think you're making it up.

On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>> [Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by running within a
>> VM
>
>
> You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to buy Apple to
> run M$, though.
>

Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of operating
systems at the same time.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>> Describe HOW you supposedly put Windows 7 on that Mac[Book sold with Snow Leopard].
>>
>> Easily, you bypass Apple, you eliminate OS X AKA macOS from the
>> machine.
>
>That's not actually an explanation...
>
>Personally, I think you're making it up.

??? I booted Win7 Home OEM 32-bit on it. With 2 GB RAM I didn't
think 64-bit made sense. Boot Camp had limited the use of one OS to
have the other fully shut down. So I just wiped the hard drive,
deleting Apple's OS and boot loader.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by running within a
>>> VM
>>
>> You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to buy Apple to
>> run M$, though.
>
>Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of operating
>systems at the same time.

VMs have real use, I agree.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 21 Dec 2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> posted some
news:mnbemj9glpj2jqo07epuik3l5jpbkknrtt@4ax.com:

> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-12-20 20:31, Joel wrote:
>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [Running Windows 11 on a Silicon Mac is] easily done by running
>>>> within a VM
>>>
>>> You could put it on bare metal on one, much easier not to buy Apple
>>> to run M$, though.
>>
>>Yes, but by running it in a VM, you have access to both of operating
>>systems at the same time.
>
>
> VMs have real use, I agree.

Apple is still for dummies.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cdl3mjhqf9ia6tcb5ca0l23t9l8ee7n5r7@4ax.com...
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>> On some computers (which would have cost you less) you can buy
>>>>>>>>>> drives
>>>>>>>>>> that perfectly sit under the desktop:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Docking-Station-Readers-Compatible/dp/B0C33HS3RP/ref=asc_df_B0C33HS3RP/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=708007226763&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13265770567124847550&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001547&hvtargid=pla-2190493457657&psc=1&mcid=5f9e3a8965ea37bc89aca8270bb63779&gad_source=1>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://ca.macsales.com/shop/external-drives/owc-ministack>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Super neato, but my motherboard can already handle another NVMe or
>>>>>>>>> two.
>>>>>>>> Which is better in what measurable way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's elegant.
>>>>>> Why? What makes it more "elegant"?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's just a piece of the computer, once installed. No wire.
>>>> So by that argument, an all-in-one is more "elegant" than having an
>>>> external monitor?
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>>But you just defined elegance by lack of wires...
>
>
> But not by marrying different components to each other, creating a
> fragile system.

So, no video cards, only integrated graphics then?

Oh, wait....

>>>> This looks pretty "elegant" to me:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.owc.com/solutions/ministack-stx>
>>>>
>>>> Or this:
>>>>
>>>> <https://satechi.net/landing/new-stand-and-hub-m4-mac-mini>
>>>>
>>>> Remember: Thunderbolt literally IS PCIe...
>>>
>>> OK, but why not just have a real case, a real motherboard? Why the
>>> quirks?
>>What makes one more "real" than the other?
>
>
> Expandability.

What expandability? You're already on record as asserting your system is
incapable of accepting another drive.

So what expandability do you have?

For that matter how could you ever use it even if you had it so as to cause
"marrying different components to each other" which we all know is something
you refuse to do.

So tell us again why you are using a video card rather than your integrated
graphics.....

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
news:vjpu4k$18qqj$2@dont-email.me...
> On 2024-12-16 09:02, Joel wrote:
>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> Likewise, we've also seen how a Mac mini stops the living shit out
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> your i5 DIY, while costing less than the $1150 you've spent to date.
>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>> just where is this so-called 'fortune' that people allegedly pay?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Mac mini is OK, I wouldn't say it "stops the living shit out of"
>>>>>> my machine. It runs Apple's goofy OS, in any event.
>>>>>
>>>>> *stomp Apologies for a typo.
>>>>>
>>>>> We've already seen the CPU benchmarks and disk I/O. If not "stomp",
>>>>> then how do you want to describe being higher at a lower price?
>>>>> Especially since there's no OS monopoly anymore either:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://asahilinux.org/about/>
>>>>
>>>> A Mac mini purchased when I built my machine wouldn't be any faster
>>>> than what I have.
>>>
>>> The 2020 mini model would have been cheaper.
>>> The current mini model is faster & cheaper.
>>
>>
>> A Mac mini wouldn't have the specs that I have.
>
> Dude... ...you bought an i5 and it turned out to be the wrong one to have
> bought when you discovered you couldn't make it work with a 4K monitor.
>
> And if we benchmarked your i5 against a 2020 Mini... ...how would it fare?

Oh, I thought he was admitting above that his system couldn't begin to match
the 2020 Mini..

>>>>>> If I had spent a comparable amount on a comparable OEM PC, it'd not
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> nearly as good. That's undeniable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except of course for how its already been shown that you could have
>>>>> bought your so-called "overpriced" Apple gear for less & gotten
>>>>> more...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...and your retort is that the OEM OS is "goofy", even though Linux is
>>>>> an alternative.
>>>>
>>>> I see Linux as the default OS, actually, it's M$ and Apple that are
>>>> proprietary, commercial platforms, consumerism, not real computing
>>>> enthusiasm.
>>>
>>> Yet that didn't stop you from buying & running on Windows OS for the
>>> first ~2/3rds of the life of your current PC.
>>
>>
>> I needed Win10/11 at first, and enjoyed using them, but I moved on. It
>> was worth it. I got my use out of it, but it outgrew my hardware, as
>> M$ crapware tends to do, so I got out, I installed Linux. All is
>> well.
> No... ...Windows did NOT outgrow your hardware in 2-3 years...
>
> ...unless you bought the wrong hardware to begin with.

Which is clear he did.. otherwise.. why would he need a video card?

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:gvv0mjhm6rruqtchmr4h1ocbf73lb981ti@4ax.com...
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> A Mac mini wouldn't have the specs that I have.
>>
>>Dude... ...you bought an i5 and it turned out to be the wrong one to
>>have bought when you discovered you couldn't make it work with a 4K
>>monitor.
>
>
> How is that even remotely true?

So you lied about having to buy a video card for the monitor and its
actually plugged into the integrated graphics..

Oh, and let it be noted that Joel would NEVER buy a fragile video card and
would ALWAYS using only integrated graphics with an integrated monitor on a
case with an integrated keyboard, mouse and printer.