"Malte Runz" wrote in message
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>On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 10:47:36 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>wrote:
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>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
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>>>On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 15:47:38 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>>wrote:
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>>>>>On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 09:07:07 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>>>>wrote:
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>>>>>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
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>>>>>>>On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 14:49:18 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Andrew hates democracy and loves Putin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You're wrong on both counts. ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>All you do is defend Putin and what he is doing, not only in Ukraine,
>>>>>>>but also how he deals with his political opposition in Russia.
>>>>>>>Remember when you said that the journalist Putin had killed in the
>>>>>>>elevator deserved it, because she was probably a 'dangerous
>>>>>>>troublemaker'?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Putin does the same as most political leaders do.
>>>>>
>>>>>And does that make it alright?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Nope. It's politics.
>>>>Show me some hard facts about Putin instead of just hearsay.
>>>
>>>Putin ordered the attack on Ukraine. He's a war criminal on par with
>>>Adolf Hitler.
>>>
>>
>>Funny how that's exactly what MSNBC and CNN etc. say which are run by the
>>deep state.
>
>Ignoring the usual deep state crap, are you saying it wasn't Putin who
>ordered the attack on Ukraine?
>

It's unknown who the order came from. It could have been a General.

>
>>The deep state is what Putin is trying to eradicate, not the people of
>>Ukraine, fool. ...
>
>Do you believe Putin when he explains how Ukraine is really a part of
>Russia and has no right to exist as a sovereign nation? Do you need me
>to link to his 'manifesto' again? Last time I did so, you claimed to
>already have read it. Okay... once more:
>http://www.en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181
>
>"I am confident that true sovereignty of Ukraine is possible only in
>partnership with Russia.
>

A partnership sounds alright.

>
>Our spiritual, human and civilizational ties
>formed for centuries and have their origins in the same sources, they
>have been hardened by common trials, achievements and victories. Our
>kinship has been transmitted from generation to generation. It is in
>the hearts and the memory of people living in modern Russia and
>Ukraine, in the blood ties that unite millions of our families.
>Together we have always been and will be many times stronger and more
>successful. For we are one people."
>

That sounds okay. Nothing aggressive there.

>
>>... Why do you believe the MSM lies?
>
>"For we are one people." Putin's words, motherfucker.
>

That's unity. You prefer division and conflict? I think you have mental
problems.

>
>>>>>>You unwittingly and indirectly defend systemic corruption out of
>>>>>>ignorance.
>>>>>
>>>>>Strawman.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Not really.
>>>
>>>Yes, really. I'm not ignorant about what you call systemic corruption.
>>>>
>>
>>Yes you are because you still believe the corrupt MSM, left political
>>party
>>etc. etc.
>
>Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. Wake me up when your done blowing your
>strawman.
>

Everything you say is the same as what the radical left MSM says.

>
>>>>>>That's worse.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ignorance can be 'cured'. Your kind of stupid is a different matter
>>>>>altogether.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Says an immature woke leftist.
>>>
>>>You forgot 'extreme'. I'm afraid I must deduct some points here.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Put downs from your type are really compliments. The more you do it the
>>>>more
>>>>I know I'm over the target.
>>>
>>>I'll make sure you'll feel you're dead center over bull's eye.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> ... I'm against systemic corruption and for
>>>>>>>>freedom.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What does "freedom" mean to you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Freedom from overtaxing to live the lives we want to live for a start.
>>>>>
>>>>>How much tax are you willing to pay? Remember, your costumers need
>>>>>roads to drive on to get to you shop.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm not going to get into details with you. ...
>>>
>>>Of course you're not. You haven't given it a thought and you never
>>>will. You deal in broad strokes and click baity headlines.
>>>
>>
>>Like the MSM gives you? No thought is required to believe the MSM.
>
>Did you let him come in your mouth?
>

Disgusting creep.

>>
>>
>>>
>>>> ... This is another of your tactics.
>>>
>>>I'm a sneaky motherfucker!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Freedom from media propaganda.
>>>>>
>>>>>So... some outlets should not be allowed to voice their opinion just
>>>>>because you categorize it as "propaganda"?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I know more about propaganda than you.
>>>
>>>You do consume a lot of it, that's for sure.
>>>>
>>
>>No I don't follow the MSM and political left.
>
>Another keeper. Yes, I know you don't know what 'MSM and the political
>left' actually say. One thing you are getting completely wrong is that
>you think the political left is aligned with MSM. I'll let you in on a
>little secret. Leftist dislike MSM just as much as you do.
>

Why do they say the same things then?

>
>>Do you still believe the global warming scam that's for taxing people with
>>carbon credits and limiting travel?
>
>Global warming is real and travel is not limited.
>>

Global warming and cooling has been happening for billions of years. The
temp goes up and down.
Years ago Al Gore and others claimed that we are doomed, but today we're no
closer to that.
The crooks in power want to bring out yet another tax.
Battery powered cars are another way to limit our travel and keep us in
cities. You've heard of the 15 minute cities?

>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Freedom from dishonest politics and bureaucratic meddling in our
>>>>>>lives.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you regard regulations WRT pollution and contamination of the
>>>>>environment "meddling in our lives"?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You're twisting the issue.
>>>
>>>I'm giving you an example of politicians and bureaucrats meddling in
>>>people's lives. Come up with a better one if you don't like mine.
>>>>
>>
>>Do you want to pay yet another tax?
>
>And what tax would that be. Remember, we're talking about reducing the
>amounts of bad and un-natural chemicals being released into the
>environment. How does that amount to "yet another tax".
>>

So you haven't heard about the carbon tax? The MSM doesn't talk about that
either?

>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Freedom from being poisoned by chemicals.
>>>>>
>>>>>Like not having pesticides in your drinking water?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And fruit etc.
>>>>Do you know about the glyphosate in our foods? What about PFAS and other
>>>>toxic chemicals?
>>>
>>>Last year we had a huge awareness campaign and public debate about
>>>PFAS in Denmark. Where do you find it, what does it do, how to avoid
>>>it, what are the alternatives? That's the kind of bureaucratic
>>>meddling I approve of.
>>>
>>
>>Yes some groups are doing something which is good but it's too late for
>>many
>>who have already lost their health or lives.
>
>And therefore the good things that are happening now don't count. We
>can't have anything ruining a good conspiracy theory.
>

Conspiracy theory: Anything the MSM won't discuss.

>
>>Are bureaucrats the ones who've been taking this action for years?
>
>They enable the implementation.
>>

....in a perfect world.

>>
>>>
>>>>The corporations and gov know about it and have for a long time. ...
>>>
>>>The use of PFAS was never held secret from the public.
>>>
>>
>>Did the MSM and gov talk about it to the public? If not then it's
>>basically
>>a secret like the others subjects I talk about.
>
>We are many who do not need the government to talk about things for us
>to know about them.
>

If it wasn't for the internet you wouldn't know.

>
>>If you go to a politician about this they will stonewall you or tap dance
>>around it.
>
>Have you tried?
>

Do you not know anything about what politicians are like?

>>
>>
>>>
>>>Like with many
>>>other products, we don't know about the, possibly detrimental, impact
>>>they can have when they are created and taken into use. It's what we
>>>do when we find out that counts.
>>>
>>
>>The detrimental effects have been know by doctors and scientists for a
>>while.
>
>And there has been talk about the effects for a while.
>

Talk is not action.

>
>>Same was the case with glyphosate which was based on agent orange ages
>>ago.
>
>Have you asked yourself why no one uses Agent Orange anymore? Maybe
>it's because the bureaucrats and politicians did some meddling.
>But glyphosate has relatively low toxicity for people,
>

Say the corporations and their yes men.

>
>and if we
>observe the guidelines set up by the bureaucrats and politicians it
>poses very, very little risk. Dihydrogen monoxide, on the other hand,
>is like everywhere! They add it to most of the foods we consume, and
>the MSM and corrupt politicians have known about it for decades, but
>they never talk about it!
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> ... Is that not
>>>>high corruption?
>>>
>>>How is that corruption? Who is paying whom, and for doing what? The
>>>corporations pay the governments for not meddling in their dirty
>>>business?
>>>
>>
>>Excuse me? The corruption is knowing that the population is being poisoned
>>but continuing to sell the products to the public for profit. ...
>
>That's not corruption.
>

You're ok with people being poisoned for profit??

>
>> ... Are you dumb?
>
>Look up the definition of corruption.
>>

Ok.
"dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving
bribery."

And so?

>>
>>>
>>>If you want to get rid of those chemicals, how do you suggest we do
>>>it?
>>>
>>
>>You really don't know? ...
>
>No, I don't know what /you/ think.
>

Never mind what others think. Is what other think all that's important to
you?

>
>> ... Use more natural alternatives. ...
>
>How do you enforce that?
>

Ask the governments. I don't work for them.

>
>> ... They exist but they
>>bring less profit for the corporations.
>
>And how do you make the corporations change their behavior?
>

Clean out the corruption, how do you think? Why the dumb questions?

>
>>>We stopped using leaded gasoline, freon for cooling, and asbestos in
>>>insulation. How do you think that came about?
>>>
>>
>>Public awareness, and threats of lawsuits.
>
>For a threat of lawsuits to be possible there needs to be laws that
>have been broken.
>

Duh. Plenty have been broken.

>
>Who made the laws that went against the economic
>interests of the big, bad, corrupt corporations?
>

What a dumb question.

>
>>It wasn't people like you who took action, but the kinds of people I get
>>my
>>info from.
>
>Would you be so kind to name one or two of them, so I can thank them
>in person?
>

Dumb response.

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