On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 07:50:35 -0700, Al Feldhauser <kiick_wiebur@taft.cone> wrote:

>On 7/28/2024 10:04 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>> "Al Feldhauser"  wrote in message news:1QfpO.47478$5Mb7.11139@fx47.iad...
>>>
>>> On 7/27/2024 4:56 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>>> "Governor Swill"  wrote in message
>>>> news:b7i5aj964vfvcpidk33a68je4cqhfok7ql@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jul 2024 16:02:20 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:XnsB1A6D0C659C90629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:v6a24g$3ga6i$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump's associates were imprisoned by crooked Dem voting and RINO
>>>>>>>> prosecutors and judges.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     And now, the facts:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Trump associate Roger Stone - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Trump associate Steve Bannon - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Trump associate Mike Flynn - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Trump associate PAul Manafort - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Trump associate Michael Cohen - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Trump associate Rick Gates - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Trump Jan 6 rioters - prosecuted by Trump DOJ.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't bother pushing this "Trump DOJ" crap. Those were take-downs by the
>>>>>> corrupt of those who oppose them. That's totalitarianism and tyranny.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those all happened under the Trump administration.  Are you saying Trump is
>>>>> corrupt?  Or
>>>>> just incompetent to appoint a government?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You lot understand nothing. Trump called out the deep state.
>>>
>>> Fuck off with that "deep state" bullshit, you subhuman Nazi filth. There's no
>>> such thing.
>>>
>>
>> F.Y.I. the deep state is just another name for systemic corruption.
>
>Bullshit. That's not even how *you* use it, you subhuman Nazi filth.
>
>There is no "deep state"

What they actually mean by "Deep State" is the Civil Service. These workers are bound by
rules and obligations and circumscribed by law. They may not do just anything they want
to do, or just whatever the Executive says to do - that is for Kings and dictators. But
we live in a country that is ruled by *law*. You don't plow in with a digger and rip it
all out while assuming something better will grow back. You change it appropriately
through the prescribed channels.

This is what they really mean by deep state. The simple fact that their President cannot
rule as a dictator but is bound by laws, rules and regulations passed in previous terms to
address needs and abuses in the administration of the country.

The existence of the difficult-to-change bureaucracy is itself a check and balance against
excessive exercise of power by the Executive. These same people begging Trump to drain
the swamp, to terminate the Constitution, to be a dictator, even for a day, would be the
FIRST to start screaming if it was *their* swamp being drained by a Democrat.

That MAGA and Trump are so eager to destroy everything built up over the past 250 years
and replace it with a Medieval King by Divine Right is telling. The right has no interest
in democracy. They only want to destroy the 'other' and ensure that only their own kind
can survive.

#nevertrump
My memory's not as sharp as it used to be. Also, my memory's not as sharp as it used to
be.

On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 18:51:02 +0200 (CEST), Art <cs@amazon.com> wrote:

>Al Feldhauser <kiick_wiebur@taft.cone> wrote in
>news:t%NpO.23472$6fNc.7771@fx33.iad:
>
>> On 7/28/2024 10:04 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>> "Al Feldhauser"  wrote in message
>>> news:1QfpO.47478$5Mb7.11139@fx47.iad...
>>>>
>>>> On 7/27/2024 4:56 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>> "Governor Swill"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:b7i5aj964vfvcpidk33a68je4cqhfok7ql@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jul 2024 16:02:20 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:XnsB1A6D0C659C90629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:v6a24g$3ga6i$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump's associates were imprisoned by crooked Dem voting and
>>>>>>>>> RINO prosecutors and judges.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     And now, the facts:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Trump associate Roger Stone - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Trump associate Steve Bannon - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Trump associate Mike Flynn - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Trump associate PAul Manafort - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Trump associate Michael Cohen - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Trump associate Rick Gates - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Trump Jan 6 rioters - prosecuted by Trump DOJ.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't bother pushing this "Trump DOJ" crap. Those were take-downs
>>>>>>> by the corrupt of those who oppose them. That's totalitarianism
>>>>>>> and tyranny.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those all happened under the Trump administration.  Are you
>>>>>> saying Trump is corrupt?  Or
>>>>>> just incompetent to appoint a government?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You lot understand nothing. Trump called out the deep state.
>>>>
>>>> Fuck off with that "deep state" bullshit, you subhuman Nazi filth.
>>>> There's no such thing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> F.Y.I. the deep state is just another name for systemic corruption.
>>
>> Bullshit. That's not even how *you* use it, you subhuman Nazi filth.
>>
>> There is no "deep state"
>
>Federal government career union employees would beg to differ.

You get it. Project 2025 gets it. Why doesn't anyone else?

#nevertrump
My great grandma started giggling at a family reunion and when I asked what's funny, she
said, "everyone here is alive because I got laid!"

Governor Swill wrote:
> My memory's not as sharp as it used to be.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Delma T Ivey and a dozen other hyper-violent socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill wrote:
> You get it. Project 2025 gets it.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Delma T Ivey and a dozen other hyper-violent socks wrote:

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 15:13:23 +1000, "Andrew W"
<snip>
>Your statement is silly and ignorant. How can a multi centuries old complex
>network of systemic corruption be 'proven' on usenet?
>There is tons of evidence though. Get out of your cave.

If you had any evidence, you could easily post it to Usenet. You won't though, because
you're too lazy. You can't even explain your feelings let alone justify them.

You have no evidence. You have only emotion that substitutes for reason.

#nevertrump
NP: Enoch Light - Love For Sale

Governor Swill wrote:
> What they actually mean by "Deep State" is the Civil Service. These workers are bound by
> rules and obligations and circumscribed by law.

Because Jimmy Carter set them up to rule us with no hope of democratic
intervention by the public - true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senior_Executive_Service_(United_States)

The Senior Executive Service (SES)[1] is a position classification in
the United States federal civil service equivalent to general officer or
flag officer rank in the U.S. Armed Forces. It was created in 1979 when
the Civil Service Reform Act of 1978 went into effect under President
Jimmy Carter.[2]

Characteristics
According to the Office of Personnel Management, the SES was designed to
be a corps of executives selected for their leadership qualifications,
serving in key positions just below the top presidential appointees as a
link between them and the rest of the federal (civil service) workforce.
SES positions are considered to be above the GS-15 level of the General
Schedule, and below Level III of the Executive Schedule. Career members
of the SES ranks are eligible for the Presidential Rank Awards
program.[citation needed]

Up to 10% of SES positions can be filled as political appointments
rather than by career employees.[3] About half of the SES is designated
"Career Reserved", which can only be filled by career employees. The
other half is designated "General", which can be filled by either career
employees or political appointments as desired by the administration.
Due to the 10% limitation, most General positions are still filled by
career appointees.[4]

Senior level employees of several agencies are exempt from the SES but
have their own senior executive positions; these include the Federal
Bureau of Investigation, Central Intelligence Agency, Defense
Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency, Transportation Security
Administration, Federal Aviation Administration, Government
Accountability Office, Members of the Foreign Service, and government
corporations.

Adverse actions
SES career appointees have civil service protections; they may only be
fired or suspended for more than 14 days for misconduct, neglect of
duty, malfeasance, or failure to accept a directed reassignment or to
accompany a position in a transfer of function. These adverse actions
may be appealed to the Merit Systems Protection Board.[5]

An SES career appointee can also be reassigned within the SES, or from
the SES into a competitive service position, based on performance
ratings. A single unsatisfactory performance rating makes them eligible
for reassignment, though it is not mandatory. However, they must be
removed from the SES if they receive two unsatisfactory ratings in a
period of five consecutive years, or two less than fully successful
ratings within three consecutive years. Reassignments may not be
appealed to the Merit Systems Protection Board.[5]

SES career appointees in the United States Department of Veterans
Affairs have different procedures as a result of the Department of
Veterans Affairs Accountability and Whistleblower Protection Act of
2017. The Secretary of Veterans Affairs has discretion to suspend,
demote, remove, or take other actions against SES career appointees or
other high-level executives if the Secretary determines that the
individual’s misconduct or performance warrants such action, with
abbreviated notice and appeals rights.[5]

By contrast, noncareer and limited-term SES appointees are generally not
subject to removal protections and may be removed from the SES at any
time.[5]

Pay rates
(Effective on the first day of the first applicable pay period beginning
on or after January 1, 2023)[6]
Minimum Maximum
Agencies with a Certified SES Performance Appraisal System $141,022
$212,100
Agencies without a Certified SES Performance Appraisal System $141,022
$195,000
Unlike the General Schedule (GS) grades, SES pay is determined at agency
discretion within certain parameters, and there is no locality pay
adjustment.

The minimum pay level for the SES is set at 120 percent of the basic pay
for GS-15 Step 1 employees ($126,148 for 2018).[7] The maximum pay level
depends on whether or not the employing agency has a "certified" SES
performance appraisal system:[8]

If the agency has a certified system, the maximum pay is set at Level II
of the Executive Schedule ($203,700 for 2022).[9]
If the agency does not have a certified system, the maximum pay is set
at Level III of the Executive Schedule ($187,300 for 2022).[9]
Total aggregate pay is limited to the salary of the Vice President of
the United States ($261,400 for 2022).

Prior to 2004, the SES used a six-level system. It was replaced with the
current open band system on January 1, 2014.

Governor Swill wrote:
> You have no evidence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senior_Executive_Service_(United_States)

The Senior Executive Service (SES)[1] is a position classification in
the United States federal civil service equivalent to general officer or
flag officer rank in the U.S. Armed Forces. It was created in 1979 when
the Civil Service Reform Act of 1978 went into effect under President
Jimmy Carter.[2]

Characteristics
According to the Office of Personnel Management, the SES was designed to
be a corps of executives selected for their leadership qualifications,
serving in key positions just below the top presidential appointees as a
link between them and the rest of the federal (civil service) workforce.
SES positions are considered to be above the GS-15 level of the General
Schedule, and below Level III of the Executive Schedule. Career members
of the SES ranks are eligible for the Presidential Rank Awards
program.[citation needed]

Up to 10% of SES positions can be filled as political appointments
rather than by career employees.[3] About half of the SES is designated
"Career Reserved", which can only be filled by career employees. The
other half is designated "General", which can be filled by either career
employees or political appointments as desired by the administration.
Due to the 10% limitation, most General positions are still filled by
career appointees.[4]

Senior level employees of several agencies are exempt from the SES but
have their own senior executive positions; these include the Federal
Bureau of Investigation, Central Intelligence Agency, Defense
Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency, Transportation Security
Administration, Federal Aviation Administration, Government
Accountability Office, Members of the Foreign Service, and government
corporations.

Adverse actions
SES career appointees have civil service protections; they may only be
fired or suspended for more than 14 days for misconduct, neglect of
duty, malfeasance, or failure to accept a directed reassignment or to
accompany a position in a transfer of function. These adverse actions
may be appealed to the Merit Systems Protection Board.[5]

An SES career appointee can also be reassigned within the SES, or from
the SES into a competitive service position, based on performance
ratings. A single unsatisfactory performance rating makes them eligible
for reassignment, though it is not mandatory. However, they must be
removed from the SES if they receive two unsatisfactory ratings in a
period of five consecutive years, or two less than fully successful
ratings within three consecutive years. Reassignments may not be
appealed to the Merit Systems Protection Board.[5]

SES career appointees in the United States Department of Veterans
Affairs have different procedures as a result of the Department of
Veterans Affairs Accountability and Whistleblower Protection Act of
2017. The Secretary of Veterans Affairs has discretion to suspend,
demote, remove, or take other actions against SES career appointees or
other high-level executives if the Secretary determines that the
individual’s misconduct or performance warrants such action, with
abbreviated notice and appeals rights.[5]

By contrast, noncareer and limited-term SES appointees are generally not
subject to removal protections and may be removed from the SES at any
time.[5]

Pay rates
(Effective on the first day of the first applicable pay period beginning
on or after January 1, 2023)[6]
Minimum Maximum
Agencies with a Certified SES Performance Appraisal System $141,022
$212,100
Agencies without a Certified SES Performance Appraisal System $141,022
$195,000
Unlike the General Schedule (GS) grades, SES pay is determined at agency
discretion within certain parameters, and there is no locality pay
adjustment.

The minimum pay level for the SES is set at 120 percent of the basic pay
for GS-15 Step 1 employees ($126,148 for 2018).[7] The maximum pay level
depends on whether or not the employing agency has a "certified" SES
performance appraisal system:[8]

If the agency has a certified system, the maximum pay is set at Level II
of the Executive Schedule ($203,700 for 2022).[9]
If the agency does not have a certified system, the maximum pay is set
at Level III of the Executive Schedule ($187,300 for 2022).[9]
Total aggregate pay is limited to the salary of the Vice President of
the United States ($261,400 for 2022).

Prior to 2004, the SES used a six-level system. It was replaced with the
current open band system on January 1, 2014.

On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 07:50:12 -0700, "Delma T. Ivey" <somewhere@thegreatbeyond.con> wrote:

>There is no "deep state." That's a figment of your diseased imagination that has
>no critical thinking ability.

You're wrong, Rudy. Isn't the first time.

#nevertrump
NP: Enoch Light - Fascinating Rhythm

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
news:mvlfajtl2hp6ll1tpvt32jnc638u1atbns@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 07:50:35 -0700, Al Feldhauser
> <kiick_wiebur@taft.cone> wrote:
>
>>On 7/28/2024 10:04 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>> "Al Feldhauser"� wrote in message
>>> news:1QfpO.47478$5Mb7.11139@fx47.iad...
>>>>
>>>> On 7/27/2024 4:56 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>> "Governor Swill"� wrote in message
>>>>> news:b7i5aj964vfvcpidk33a68je4cqhfok7ql@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jul 2024 16:02:20 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman"� wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:XnsB1A6D0C659C90629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:v6a24g$3ga6i$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump's associates were imprisoned by crooked Dem voting and
>>>>>>>>> RINO prosecutors and judges.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ��� And now, the facts:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> �Trump associate Roger Stone - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> �Trump associate Steve Bannon - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> �Trump associate Mike Flynn - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> �Trump associate PAul Manafort - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> �Trump associate Michael Cohen - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> �Trump associate Rick Gates - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> �Trump Jan 6 rioters - prosecuted by Trump DOJ.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't bother pushing this "Trump DOJ" crap. Those were
>>>>>>> take-downs by the corrupt of those who oppose them. That's
>>>>>>> totalitarianism and tyranny.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those all happened under the Trump administration.� Are you
>>>>>> saying Trump is corrupt?� Or
>>>>>> just incompetent to appoint a government?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You lot understand nothing. Trump called out the deep state.
>>>>
>>>> Fuck off with that "deep state" bullshit, you subhuman Nazi filth.
>>>> There's no such thing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> F.Y.I. the deep state is just another name for systemic corruption.
>>
>>Bullshit. That's not even how *you* use it, you subhuman Nazi filth.
>>
>>There is no "deep state"
>
> What they actually mean by "Deep State" is the Civil Service. These
> workers are bound by rules and obligations and circumscribed by law.
> They may not do just anything they want to do, or just whatever the
> Executive says to do - that is for Kings and dictators. But we live
> in a country that is ruled by *law*. You don't plow in with a digger
> and rip it all out while assuming something better will grow back.
> You change it appropriately through the prescribed channels.
>
> This is what they really mean by deep state. The simple fact that
> their President cannot rule as a dictator but is bound by laws, rules
> and regulations passed in previous terms to address needs and abuses
> in the administration of the country.
>
> The existence of the difficult-to-change bureaucracy is itself a check
> and balance against excessive exercise of power by the Executive.
> These same people begging Trump to drain the swamp, to terminate the
> Constitution, to be a dictator, even for a day, would be the FIRST to
> start screaming if it was *their* swamp being drained by a Democrat.
>
> That MAGA and Trump are so eager to destroy everything built up over
> the past 250 years and replace it with a Medieval King by Divine Right
> is telling. The right has no interest in democracy. They only want
> to destroy the 'other' and ensure that only their own kind can
> survive.
>
===============
In politics and government, a spoils system (also known as a patronage
system) is a practice in which a political party, after winning an
election, gives government jobs to its supporters, friends (cronyism),
and relatives (nepotism) as a reward for working toward victory, and as
an incentive to keep working for the party�as opposed to a merit system,
where offices are awarded or promoted on the basis of some measure of
merit, independent of political activity.

The term was used particularly in politics of the United States, where
the federal government operated on a spoils system until the Pendleton
Act was passed in 1883 due to a civil service reform movement. Thereafter
the spoils system was largely replaced by nonpartisan merit at the
federal level of the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoils_system

======
tRump & conservaturds want us to return to the Spoils System of over 100
years ago. No, we won't go back.

On 29 Jul 2024, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> posted some
news:v88med$itr7$1@dont-email.me:

> Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:mvlfajtl2hp6ll1tpvt32jnc638u1atbns@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 07:50:35 -0700, Al Feldhauser
>> <kiick_wiebur@taft.cone> wrote:
>>
>>>On 7/28/2024 10:04 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>>> "Al Feldhauser"� wrote in message
>>>> news:1QfpO.47478$5Mb7.11139@fx47.iad...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/27/2024 4:56 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>> "Governor Swill"� wrote in message
>>>>>> news:b7i5aj964vfvcpidk33a68je4cqhfok7ql@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jul 2024 16:02:20 +1000, "Andrew W"
>>>>>>> <space@defense.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman"� wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:XnsB1A6D0C659C90629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:v6a24g$3ga6i$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Trump's associates were imprisoned by crooked Dem voting and
>>>>>>>>>> RINO prosecutors and judges.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ��� And now, the facts:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> �Trump associate Roger Stone - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> �Trump associate Steve Bannon - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> �Trump associate Mike Flynn - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> �Trump associate PAul Manafort - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> �Trump associate Michael Cohen - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> �Trump associate Rick Gates - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> �Trump Jan 6 rioters - prosecuted by Trump DOJ.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't bother pushing this "Trump DOJ" crap. Those were
>>>>>>>> take-downs by the corrupt of those who oppose them. That's
>>>>>>>> totalitarianism and tyranny.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those all happened under the Trump administration.� Are you
>>>>>>> saying Trump is corrupt?� Or
>>>>>>> just incompetent to appoint a government?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You lot understand nothing. Trump called out the deep state.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fuck off with that "deep state" bullshit, you subhuman Nazi filth.
>>>>> There's no such thing.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> F.Y.I. the deep state is just another name for systemic corruption.
>>>
>>>Bullshit. That's not even how *you* use it, you subhuman Nazi filth.
>>>
>>>There is no "deep state"
>>
>> What they actually mean by "Deep State" is the Civil Service. These
>> workers are bound by rules and obligations and circumscribed by law.

That's bullshit. The federal and state government workers believe they
ARE the law and can make policies as they see fit.

A perfect example of that is the forced queer acceptance being shoveled
on children in public schools. Queer is not normal, never has been, and
most certainly will return to a classification of mental illness.

>===============
> In politics and government, a spoils system (also known as a patronage
> system) is a practice in which a political party, after winning an
> election, gives government jobs to its supporters, friends (cronyism),

Like the Democrats do.

>======
> tRump & conservaturds want us to return to the Spoils System of over
> 100 years ago. No, we won't go back.

You can't go back. You're already there you fool.

On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 14:49:18 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:

>"El Kabong" wrote in message
>news:f0n98jdmt37p4u2vgqsn1vjhmgpi5e08uf@4ax.com...

(snip)

>>Andrew hates democracy and loves Putin.
>>
>
>You're wrong on both counts. ...

All you do is defend Putin and what he is doing, not only in Ukraine,
but also how he deals with his political opposition in Russia.
Remember when you said that the journalist Putin had killed in the
elevator deserved it, because she was probably a 'dangerous
troublemaker'?

> ... I'm against systemic corruption and for
>freedom.

What does "freedom" mean to you?

--
Malte Runz

Governor Swill wrote:
> Isn't the first time.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson and a dozen other
socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Oh poor me I got shot at ...

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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill wrote:
> You have no evidence.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson and a dozen other
socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 16:09:43 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:

>"Delma T. Ivey" wrote in message news:O3gpO.189829$ySE.75566@fx11.iad...
>>
>>On 7/27/2024 5:00 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>> "Governor Swill" wrote in message
>>> news:u056ajpt7jhh03ihvmc3t20soc6lp08jln@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 09:19:08 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If it wasn't for Trump you'd have still never heard of the deep state
>>>>> which
>>>>> is the true cancer that's been silently destroying democracy and lives
>>>>> for
>>>>> decades.
>>>>
>>>> The Deep State was the treatment for Trumpism. The ballot box is the
>>>> cure.
>>>>
>>>> #nevertrump
>>>>
>>>
>>> And what do you know about the deep state?
>>
>>I know that there isn't any such thing. It's just an imaginary bogeyman for
>>you, you subhuman Nazi filth.
>>
>
>How do you know? Do you know everything?
>You seem to suffer from Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

Copy pasting the same A.I. generated result from a site called
'search.brave.com' three times puts you 'top left on the D-K curve'.

>
>https://tinyurl.com/mtxszp5u

(snip)

--
Malte Runz

On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 16:13:59 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:

>"Governor Swill" wrote in message
>news:vj36ajhi81gthehrg6jma4sn8oa0fn8gsc@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Sat, 6 Jul 2024 16:08:28 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Trump is surrounded by corruption. Governments and major organisations
>>>were
>>>taken over by the deep state/CIA decades ago.
>>>You leftists don't understand what systemic corruption is and how it shuts
>>>down and destroys anyone who opposes it.
>>
>>But you're going to vote for all that corruption anyway?
>>
>
>No, I'm not in America.

But you could go. According to the Republicans everybody is being let
in. Wide open borders! No questions asked, you'll be flown to a big
city, put up in a luxury hotel, and instantly be given access to
health care and other social benefits. And of course you'll be able to
vote.

--
Malte Runz

Oregon trails <wipe@your.butts> wrote in news:v88n15$qo2$1
@toxic.dizum.net:

> On 29 Jul 2024, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> posted some
> news:v88med$itr7$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:mvlfajtl2hp6ll1tpvt32jnc638u1atbns@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 07:50:35 -0700, Al Feldhauser
>>> <kiick_wiebur@taft.cone> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 7/28/2024 10:04 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>> "Al Feldhauser"� wrote in message
>>>>> news:1QfpO.47478$5Mb7.11139@fx47.iad...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/27/2024 4:56 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>> "Governor Swill"� wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:b7i5aj964vfvcpidk33a68je4cqhfok7ql@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jul 2024 16:02:20 +1000, "Andrew W"
>>>>>>>> <space@defense.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman"� wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:XnsB1A6D0C659C90629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:v6a24g$3ga6i$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump's associates were imprisoned by crooked Dem voting and
>>>>>>>>>>> RINO prosecutors and judges.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ��� And now, the facts:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> �Trump associate Roger Stone - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> �Trump associate Steve Bannon - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> �Trump associate Mike Flynn - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> �Trump associate PAul Manafort - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> �Trump associate Michael Cohen - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> �Trump associate Rick Gates - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> �Trump Jan 6 rioters - prosecuted by Trump DOJ.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don't bother pushing this "Trump DOJ" crap. Those were
>>>>>>>>> take-downs by the corrupt of those who oppose them. That's
>>>>>>>>> totalitarianism and tyranny.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Those all happened under the Trump administration.� Are you
>>>>>>>> saying Trump is corrupt?� Or
>>>>>>>> just incompetent to appoint a government?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You lot understand nothing. Trump called out the deep state.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fuck off with that "deep state" bullshit, you subhuman Nazi filth.
>>>>>> There's no such thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> F.Y.I. the deep state is just another name for systemic corruption.
>>>>
>>>>Bullshit. That's not even how *you* use it, you subhuman Nazi filth.
>>>>
>>>>There is no "deep state"
>>>
>>> What they actually mean by "Deep State" is the Civil Service. These
>>> workers are bound by rules and obligations and circumscribed by law.
>
> That's bullshit. The federal and state government workers believe they
> ARE the law and can make policies as they see fit.

Bullshit yourself. Federal and state government workers implement the
law as passed to them from the Congress and courts.

>
> A perfect example of that is the forced queer acceptance being shoveled
> on children in public schools. Queer is not normal, never has been,
and
> most certainly will return to a classification of mental illnes.

"Queer" is normal and exists in almost all mammilian species on Earth.
>
>>===============
>> In politics and government, a spoils system (also known as a patronage
>> system) is a practice in which a political party, after winning an
>> election, gives government jobs to its supporters, friends (cronyism),
>
> Like the Democrats do.

Liar.
>
>>======
>> tRump & conservaturds want us to return to the Spoils System of over
>> 100 years ago. No, we won't go back.
>
> You can't go back. You're already there you fool.
>
tRump&Co have specifically said they would fire all government workers
and replace them with loyalists.

[Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

>>
>> A perfect example of that is the forced queer acceptance being shoveled
>> on children in public schools. Queer is not normal, never has been,
>and
>> most certainly will return to a classification of mental illnes.
>
>"Queer" is normal and exists in almost all mammilian species on Earth.

No, "queer" is NOT normal, Admitted Pedophile
Groomer KKK Klokard Baxter.

It is abnormal.

If it were normal, there would be no mammals.

Andrew W wrote:
> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
....
> > You cannot even prove this "deep state" exists.
>
> Research it yourself.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/mtxszp5u
>
> Based on the search results, systemic corruption is a widely recognized
> concept in various contexts, including political science, philosophy, and

<snip>

Well, some AI engine says "systemic corruption" exists.
That pretty much proves Deep State and Illuminati are
real, and all conspiracy theories are true.

Of course, the conspiracy theorists would never have a
corrupt hair on their couched-out bodies.

On 7/29/2024 4:49 PM, Al Feldhauser wrote:
> On 7/29/2024 4:34 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>> "Al Feldhauser"  wrote in message news:t%NpO.23472$6fNc.7771@fx33.iad...
>>>
>>> On 7/28/2024 10:04 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>>> "Al Feldhauser"  wrote in message
>>>> news:1QfpO.47478$5Mb7.11139@fx47.iad...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/27/2024 4:56 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>> "Governor Swill"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:b7i5aj964vfvcpidk33a68je4cqhfok7ql@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jul 2024 16:02:20 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:XnsB1A6D0C659C90629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:v6a24g$3ga6i$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Trump's associates were imprisoned by crooked Dem voting and RINO
>>>>>>>>>> prosecutors and judges.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     And now, the facts:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Trump associate Roger Stone - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Trump associate Steve Bannon - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Trump associate Mike Flynn - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Trump associate PAul Manafort - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Trump associate Michael Cohen - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Trump associate Rick Gates - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Trump Jan 6 rioters - prosecuted by Trump DOJ.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't bother pushing this "Trump DOJ" crap. Those were
>>>>>>>> take-downs by the
>>>>>>>> corrupt of those who oppose them. That's totalitarianism and
>>>>>>>> tyranny.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those all happened under the Trump administration.  Are you
>>>>>>> saying Trump is corrupt?  Or
>>>>>>> just incompetent to appoint a government?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You lot understand nothing. Trump called out the deep state.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fuck off with that "deep state" bullshit, you subhuman Nazi filth.
>>>>> There's no such thing.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> F.Y.I. the deep state is just another name for systemic corruption.
>>>
>>> Bullshit. That's not even how *you* use it, you subhuman Nazi filth.
>>>
>>> There is no "deep state"
>>>
>>
>> Your profane and denialist responses say everything about you.
>
> There is no "deep state."

Your choice to live with your head up your ass. Perfect example where
the deep state has it's origins, any DMV office.

On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 09:07:07 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote:

>Putin does the same as most political leaders do.

No. He does not. Most political leaders don't murder their critics.

#nevertrump

Li'l Pootin' tank dysfunction
https://aej.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Putin-cartoon.png

Heroyam slava!

On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 18:28:54 -0000 (UTC), Oregon trails <wipe@your.butts> wrote:

>>> What they actually mean by "Deep State" is the Civil Service. These
>>> workers are bound by rules and obligations and circumscribed by law.
>
>That's bullshit. The federal and state government workers believe they
>ARE the law and can make policies as they see fit.

You're lying. Civil service workers don't MAKE policy, they enforce it and are bound by
it. You want them to do something different? Pass legislation to change the rules.

America will not have a king.

#nevertrump

The Party With A Vision
https://x.com/raggapegs/status/1778298156913979405/photo/1

"Governor Swill" wrote in message
news:mvlfajtl2hp6ll1tpvt32jnc638u1atbns@4ax.com...
>
>On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 07:50:35 -0700, Al Feldhauser <kiick_wiebur@taft.cone>
>wrote:
>
>>On 7/28/2024 10:04 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>> "Al Feldhauser" wrote in message
>>> news:1QfpO.47478$5Mb7.11139@fx47.iad...
>>>>
>>>> On 7/27/2024 4:56 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>> "Governor Swill" wrote in message
>>>>> news:b7i5aj964vfvcpidk33a68je4cqhfok7ql@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jul 2024 16:02:20 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:XnsB1A6D0C659C90629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:v6a24g$3ga6i$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump's associates were imprisoned by crooked Dem voting and RINO
>>>>>>>>> prosecutors and judges.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And now, the facts:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump associate Roger Stone - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump associate Steve Bannon - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump associate Mike Flynn - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump associate PAul Manafort - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump associate Michael Cohen - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump associate Rick Gates - prosecuted by Trump DOJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump Jan 6 rioters - prosecuted by Trump DOJ.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't bother pushing this "Trump DOJ" crap. Those were take-downs by
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> corrupt of those who oppose them. That's totalitarianism and
>>>>>>> tyranny.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those all happened under the Trump administration. Are you saying
>>>>>> Trump is
>>>>>> corrupt? Or
>>>>>> just incompetent to appoint a government?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You lot understand nothing. Trump called out the deep state.
>>>>
>>>> Fuck off with that "deep state" bullshit, you subhuman Nazi filth.
>>>> There's no
>>>> such thing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> F.Y.I. the deep state is just another name for systemic corruption.
>>
>>Bullshit. That's not even how *you* use it, you subhuman Nazi filth.
>>
>>There is no "deep state"
>
>What they actually mean by "Deep State" is the Civil Service.
>

Wrong again. There's far more to systemic corruption than just the Civil
Service.
The mainstream media and big corporations for a start are not Civil
Servants.

>
>These workers are bound by
>rules and obligations and circumscribed by law.
>

They go above the law and create their own silent laws.

>
>They may not do just anything they want
>to do,
>

And who's to stop them?

>
>or just whatever the Executive says to do - that is for Kings and
>dictators. But
>we live in a country that is ruled by *law*.
>

You want to live in a perfect world.

>
>You don't plow in with a digger and rip it
>all out while assuming something better will grow back. You change it
>appropriately
>through the prescribed channels.
>
>This is what they really mean by deep state. The simple fact that their
>President cannot
>rule as a dictator but is bound by laws, rules and regulations passed in
>previous terms to
>address needs and abuses in the administration of the country.
>

That is all in theory. Look at reality instead.
George Bush senior's father helped finance Hitler. How on earth did that
happen?

>
>The existence of the difficult-to-change bureaucracy is itself a check and
>balance against
>excessive exercise of power by the Executive.
>

Really? What a nice and perfect mechanism you've thought up. You hope a lot.

>
>These same people begging Trump to drain
>the swamp, to terminate the Constitution, to be a dictator, even for a day,
>would be the
>FIRST to start screaming if it was *their* swamp being drained by a
>Democrat.
>

And how did Trump create so much alleged corruption with all the checks and
balances in place that you've described?

>
>That MAGA and Trump are so eager to destroy everything built up over the
>past 250 years
>and replace it with a Medieval King by Divine Right is telling. The right
>has no interest
>in democracy. They only want to destroy the 'other' and ensure that only
>their own kind
>can survive.
>

And how can Trump do all that with all the checks, balances and laws in
place? Plus everyone around him aware and trying to stop him? Is he a
supervillain like in the movies?

>
>#nevertrump
>My memory's not as sharp as it used to be. Also, my memory's not as sharp
>as it used to
>be.
>

--
Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their information from
the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

http://www.rumormillnews.com - The best alternative news site

On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 14:28:23 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
<klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote:

>[Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>
>>>
>>> A perfect example of that is the forced queer acceptance being shoveled
>>> on children in public schools. Queer is not normal, never has been,
>>and
>>> most certainly will return to a classification of mental illnes.
>>
>>"Queer" is normal and exists in almost all mammilian species on Earth.
>
>No, "queer" is NOT normal, Admitted Pedophile
>Groomer KKK Klokard Baxter.
>
>It is abnormal.
>
>If it were normal, there would be no mammals.

Yet it is common in a number of different mammals, fool.

#nevertrump

PS Welcome to the Cadillac Arena in Beijing!
In 1977, Cadillac sold over 350,000 cars in the US. In 2022 they sold less than 15,000.
In China Cadillac sold 185,174 vehicles in 2022 and that was 20% off 2021 @ 233,119.

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
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>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>news:v878dq$bkno$1@dont-email.me:
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>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>> news:XnsB1BD539B2ED94629555@185.151.15.190...
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>>>Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.KMA> wrote in
>>>news:q4ubaj5bd9a3utio7opp3ugfp39c91d1sa@4ax.com:
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>>>> On Sun, 28 Jul 2024 01:37:03 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>> <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
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>>>>>"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
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>>>>>> "Governor Swill" wrote in message
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>>>>> You cannot even prove this "deep state" exists.
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>>>> <EYEROLL> Apparently, Hollowhead doesn't even know what the deep
>>>> state is.
>>>
>>>
>>> And you cannot prove it exists either. Typical.
>>>
>>
>> Your statement is silly and ignorant. How can a multi centuries old
>> complex network of systemic corruption be 'proven' on usenet?
>
>
> That is your problem.
>

You have a problem of understanding how the world works. That's because of
too much MSM in your diet.

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>> There is tons of evidence though.
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> Then post it.
>

That would take weeks.
Educate yourself instead.

--
Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their information from
the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

http://www.rumormillnews.com - The best alternative news site

"Wagner Telegram “Grey Zone” channel admin was likely killed in this attack. Last message
on 23 July." EXCELLENT NEWS!
"In Africa, a Russian group of Wagner PMC mercenaries was defeated while attempting to
capture the city of Tinzawatene in Mali. Malian rebels claim they killed dozens of Wagner
fighters. A downed military helicopter is visible in the photos."
<https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1817313553407259117>

#nevertrump

Perhaps the French will get back the bits of Africa Wagner took from them.
"Mali Army, Russian Mercenaries Suffer Heavy Losses in North: Local Sources"
<https://www.kyivpost.com/post/36487>