On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 17:21:52 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
>On 10/4/2024 2:12 PM, shogun wrote:
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 16:18:38 -0400, Ed P wrote:
<snip>
>>>> How Much Does Elon Musk Make an Hour. The quick answer—Elon Musk makes
>>>> around $1.6 million per hour. This is based on his net worth that rose
>>>> by $143.9 billion in the past decade until early 2023. That's 220,690
>>>> times the federal minimum wage
>>>
>>> Start as many successful companies as he has and you to can
>>> have $143 billion.
>>>
>> i dont know why some people have beef with elon, he is among the top 10
>> genuinely most important humans on this planet at the moment.
>>
>No doubt he is very successful building some very innovative businesses.
>
>But that does not make him any less weird is some areas of life. He
>says a lot of things people take issue with about life, family,
>politics. When you do that you are subject to the same comments the
>rest of us get. He wants people to have more babies, but really white
>ones. He has twelve with three mothers. He can afford it.

Republicans aren't pro children, they're pro birth.
Once that baby is in utero, they don't care if you have health care.
What do they care about pre natal care?
They don't.
And once that baby's born, they don't want that baby on welfare.
They don't want that baby to have access to health care.
And when that kid's in school, they don't want them to have access to free food.
They don't want there to be government sponsored maternity and paternity leave.
They don't want there to be government sponsored daycare facilities so that we
can have a better daycare program here in the United States.
They don't give a shit what happens to your kids.
They don't give a shit so much that hey will actually not even pass gun
legislation, even though the number one killer of children in this country is
not cancer it's actually guns.
They don't do anything to extend the lives of children.
They don't do anything to make the lives of children better.
They don't care about kids. What they care about is controlling women.
And that's it. That's what they care about. They care about controlling women.
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/16ocFVqQil4>
--

Four more reasons to not vote for Trump in 33 days.

26) Trump broke the law by trying to withhold nearly
$400 million of U.S. aid for Ukraine in an effort to
extort a personal political favor from Ukraine's President Zelensky.
Trump wanted Zelensky to interfere in the 2020 election by announcing
an investigation into the Bidens. Delaying this aid to Ukraine
weakened Ukraine and strengthened Russia.

27) Trump personally attacked and ruined the careers of everyone
who stood in the way of his illegal Ukraine scheme, including
Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch and Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman.

28) To cover up the scheme, Trump ordered the White House and
State Department to defy congressional subpoenas.

29) For these reasons, on December 18th, 2019, Trump
became the third U.S. president to be impeached.
He was charged with abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.

"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> Glen wrote:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>>>If he had no taxable income.. then why would he pay taxes on it?
>>>
>>> The wealthy elites make the (unfair) rules. We have a corrupt system
>>> where the wealthy can bribe lawmakers into creating unfair rules.
>>
>> (bullshit snipped)
>
> The vast majority in congress paupers, when compared to the truly
> wealthy.
>
> Are you really going to deny that the wealthy elite lobby/bribe our
> lawmakers for tax loopholes?

Why? The lawmakers use those loopholes for their own evasion of taxation.

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
news:vdp4j2$9f9b$2@dont-email.me...
> On 10/4/24 11:20 AM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>> news:vdom3g$764f$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 10/3/24 11:15 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:vdf28c$2c3hr$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>>>>> percentage of
>>>>>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated point.
>>>>>
>>>>> That point was "fair share". Its metric was "percentage of income",
>>>>> which is very consistent with how this topic is discussed.
>>>>
>>>> Ok.. a flat rate income tax all other taxes shall be revoked.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone pays the same rate on all income whether a billionaire or a
>>>> beggar on the street.
>>>>
>>>> if unrealized income is taxed, then ALL unrealized income is taxed.
>>>> From cardboard box the beggar set up a home in, to stock value
>>>> increases, property and real estate. If you can't afford the tax you
>>>> will have to liquidate assets to pay it. If the value declines later..
>>>> you don't get a refund.
>>>>
>>>> Is that what you had in mind.. or are you going to start making it
>>>> unfair?
>>>
>>> Unrealized is already taxed, & if you were a homeowner, you'd know that.
>>
>> No it's not. Property tax assessments are regularly far below market
>> value and are paid whether the house increased in value or decreased.
>
> Doesn't matter, because its not what you originally paid.

Yep, but property tax is a different thing than income tax.

Further I'm not aware of anywhere that requires 25% of the assessed value in
property value for property taxes.

So unless you are going to assess everyone's INCOME tax on changes in the
value of what they own.. you are comparing apples and oranges.

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
news:vdp3vf$9f9b$1@dont-email.me...
> On 10/4/24 11:39 AM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>> news:vdom3i$764f$2@dont-email.me...
>>> On 10/3/24 11:45 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:vdhfak$2qm3f$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 9/30/24 11:51 PM, T wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/30/24 15:23, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/30/2024 2:38 PM,Fuckwit -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>>>>>>>>> percentage of
>>>>>>>>>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated
>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That point was "fair share". Its metric was "percentage of
>>>>>>>>> income",
>>>>>>>>> which is very consistent with how this topic is discussed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A steak is $15.00 at the grocery store. It's "fair" if a poor person
>>>>>>> buys it or a rich person buys it. It costs either one of them $15
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's fair
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you seriously think both are on the same budget???
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Klaus has a point, but it isn't the one that you're thinking of.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason is that Klaus's analogy relies on an underlying assumption
>>>>> in his steak analogy, namely that a government service has an equal
>>>>> benefit to a poor person and a rich person. For example, a public
>>>>> road: the poor person may not have a car with which to use that
>>>>> service benefit, whereas the rich person not only uses the roads, but
>>>>> his customers do too. As such, the rich person benefits _more_ from
>>>>> that service.
>>>>
>>>> Whereas the poor person benefits more from police protection given the
>>>> rich guy has hired private security for his protection.
>>>
>>> Not at all, for even if a rich guy hires private security, it is done to
>>> increase the existing security to above what the public gets:
>>
>> No, actually it usually takes over totally, with the only condition being
>> the criminal gets handed over to the police.. or perhaps not.
>
> Oh, so how much is this private security also out patrolling the poor
> neighborhoods to keep them from degrading? You know, "broken windows"?

It's not their job.

But you are free to go out on patrol in poor neighborhoods all you like.

On 10/7/24 9:57 AM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> news:vdp4j2$9f9b$2@dont-email.me...
>> On 10/4/24 11:20 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>> news:vdom3g$764f$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 10/3/24 11:15 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:vdf28c$2c3hr$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>> [Default]  Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>>>>>> percentage of
>>>>>>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That point was "fair share".  Its metric was "percentage of
>>>>>> income", which is very consistent with how this topic is discussed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok.. a flat rate income tax all other taxes shall be revoked.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone pays the same rate on all income whether a billionaire or
>>>>> a beggar on the street.
>>>>>
>>>>> if unrealized income is taxed, then ALL unrealized income is taxed.
>>>>> From cardboard box the beggar set up a home in, to stock value
>>>>> increases, property and real estate. If you can't afford the tax
>>>>> you will have to liquidate assets to pay it. If the value declines
>>>>> later.. you don't get a refund.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that what you had in mind.. or are you going to start making it
>>>>> unfair?
>>>>
>>>> Unrealized is already taxed, & if you were a homeowner, you'd know
>>>> that.
>>>
>>> No it's not. Property tax assessments are regularly far below market
>>> value and are paid whether the house increased in value or decreased.
>>
>> Doesn't matter, because its not what you originally paid.
>
> Yep, but property tax is a different thing than income tax.

You're right: its functionally a *wealth* tax, the same as the proposal
that you're so upset about, and as such, it represents the precedent
that you've tried to suggest that should never be crossed.

> Further I'm not aware of anywhere that requires 25% of the assessed
> value in property value for property taxes.

The rate of taxation doesn't matter when you were focused before on
merely the precedent of taxing wealth.

> So unless you are going to assess everyone's INCOME tax on changes in
> the value of what they own.. you are comparing apples and oranges.

Except its never been an INCOME tax in question, but a wealth tax.

Plus FYI, property taxes isn't the sole precedent in which there's been
taxes imposed on one's wealth in the USA. Once again, you're simply
showing the newsgroups that you don't know much about the topic before
you regurgitated the opinion which you were told that you should have.

-hh

On 10/7/24 9:58 AM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> news:vdp3vf$9f9b$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 10/4/24 11:39 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>> news:vdom3i$764f$2@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 10/3/24 11:45 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:vdhfak$2qm3f$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> On 9/30/24 11:51 PM, T wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/30/24 15:23, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/30/2024 2:38 PM,Fuckwit  -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> [Default]  Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-
>>>>>>>>>>>> email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>>>>>>>>>> percentage of
>>>>>>>>>>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated
>>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That point was "fair share".  Its metric was "percentage of
>>>>>>>>>> income",
>>>>>>>>>> which is very consistent with how this topic is discussed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A steak is $15.00 at the grocery store. It's "fair" if a poor
>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>> buys it or a rich person buys it. It costs either one of them $15
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's fair
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you seriously think both are on the same budget???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Klaus has a point, but it isn't the one that you're thinking of.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reason is that Klaus's analogy relies on an underlying
>>>>>> assumption in his steak analogy, namely that a government service
>>>>>> has an equal benefit to a poor person and a rich person.  For
>>>>>> example, a public road:  the poor person may not have a car with
>>>>>> which to use that service benefit, whereas the rich person not
>>>>>> only uses the roads, but his customers do too.  As such, the rich
>>>>>> person benefits _more_ from that service.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whereas the poor person benefits more from police protection given
>>>>> the rich guy has hired private security for his protection.
>>>>
>>>> Not at all, for even if a rich guy hires private security, it is
>>>> done to increase the existing security to above what the public gets:
>>>
>>> No, actually it usually takes over totally, with the only condition
>>> being the criminal gets handed over to the police.. or perhaps not.
>>
>> Oh, so how much is this private security also out patrolling the poor
>> neighborhoods to keep them from degrading?  You know, "broken windows"?
>
> It's not their job.

Yet you'll get upset when a guy's on a public right-of-way with a gun
next to a golf course isn't detected by security fast enough!

> But you are free to go out on patrol in poor neighborhoods all you like.

Functionally, I already do, by having an apportionment of my taxes which
pay for the local municipality's police to patrol everywhere.

-hh

"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:5f40gjpuskk0sgncrffj8ui9575sa6dn67@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 14:02:42 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> in
> alt.atheism with message-id <vdhdg2$2r3or$1@dont-email.me>
> wrote:
>
>>On 10/1/2024 1:37 PM, citizen winston smith wrote:
>>> On 10/1/2024 11:32 AM, Jimmy wrote:
>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>
>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you are.
>>>>>
>>>>> All business owners pay taxes. We have to or the IRS comes after us
>>>> first.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's time to stand up for the billionaires because where else will all
>>>> our
>>>> money trickle down from?
>>>
>>> Giverment, duh.
>>>
>>> That's what you totalitarian fascists want, isn't it it?
>>>
>>>> Billionaires need protection, they're too weak to protect themselves.
>>>
>>> Red herring.
>>
>>Bottom 50% earned 10.4% of income, paid 2.3% of fed income taxes.
>>
>>Top 1% earned 26.3% of income, paid 45.8% of fed. income taxes.
>>
>>Top 1% of income tax payers paid more than the bottom 90% combined.
>>
>>We know who's really not paying their fair share.
>>
>
> How much is a "fair share" and how is it determined?

BOOM....

Wonderful question.

On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 08:58:56 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> in alt.atheism
with message-id <ve0sfe$1ojth$11@dont-email.me> wrote:

>
>
>"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
>news:5f40gjpuskk0sgncrffj8ui9575sa6dn67@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 14:02:42 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> in
>> alt.atheism with message-id <vdhdg2$2r3or$1@dont-email.me>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 10/1/2024 1:37 PM, citizen winston smith wrote:
>>>> On 10/1/2024 11:32 AM, Jimmy wrote:
>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All business owners pay taxes. We have to or the IRS comes after us
>>>>> first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's time to stand up for the billionaires because where else will all
>>>>> our
>>>>> money trickle down from?
>>>>
>>>> Giverment, duh.
>>>>
>>>> That's what you totalitarian fascists want, isn't it it?
>>>>
>>>>> Billionaires need protection, they're too weak to protect themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Red herring.
>>>
>>>Bottom 50% earned 10.4% of income, paid 2.3% of fed income taxes.
>>>
>>>Top 1% earned 26.3% of income, paid 45.8% of fed. income taxes.
>>>
>>>Top 1% of income tax payers paid more than the bottom 90% combined.
>>>
>>>We know who's really not paying their fair share.
>>>
>>
>> How much is a "fair share" and how is it determined?
>
>BOOM....
>
>Wonderful question.
>
>
Don't expect an actual answer.

--

Build a Wall.
Deport them all.

Go WOKE. Go Broke.

Stop DEI (Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy),
the Green Raw Deal, Income redistribution,
and Social anything.

Let them DIE.

Did the last sane person leaving California
remember to turn out the lights? The Rotten
Apple?

Facts are the reality whether or not you
want to hear them.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Chuckles Harris and her supporters like
the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
news:ve0t70$1olec$1@dont-email.me...
> On 10/7/24 9:57 AM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>> news:vdp4j2$9f9b$2@dont-email.me...
>>> On 10/4/24 11:20 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:vdom3g$764f$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 10/3/24 11:15 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:vdf28c$2c3hr$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>>>>>>> percentage of
>>>>>>>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That point was "fair share". Its metric was "percentage of income",
>>>>>>> which is very consistent with how this topic is discussed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok.. a flat rate income tax all other taxes shall be revoked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone pays the same rate on all income whether a billionaire or a
>>>>>> beggar on the street.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if unrealized income is taxed, then ALL unrealized income is taxed.
>>>>>> From cardboard box the beggar set up a home in, to stock value
>>>>>> increases, property and real estate. If you can't afford the tax you
>>>>>> will have to liquidate assets to pay it. If the value declines
>>>>>> later.. you don't get a refund.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is that what you had in mind.. or are you going to start making it
>>>>>> unfair?
>>>>>
>>>>> Unrealized is already taxed, & if you were a homeowner, you'd know
>>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> No it's not. Property tax assessments are regularly far below market
>>>> value and are paid whether the house increased in value or decreased.
>>>
>>> Doesn't matter, because its not what you originally paid.
>>
>> Yep, but property tax is a different thing than income tax.
>
> You're right: its functionally a *wealth* tax, the same as the proposal
> that you're so upset about, and as such, it represents the precedent that
> you've tried to suggest that should never be crossed.

Excellent.. then let's apply it to ALL.

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
news:ve0tbm$1olec$2@dont-email.me...
> On 10/7/24 9:58 AM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>> news:vdp3vf$9f9b$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 10/4/24 11:39 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:vdom3i$764f$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 10/3/24 11:45 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:vdhfak$2qm3f$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 9/30/24 11:51 PM, T wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/30/24 15:23, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/30/2024 2:38 PM,Fuckwit -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-
>>>>>>>>>>>>> email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>>>>>>>>>>> percentage of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated
>>>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That point was "fair share". Its metric was "percentage of
>>>>>>>>>>> income",
>>>>>>>>>>> which is very consistent with how this topic is discussed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A steak is $15.00 at the grocery store. It's "fair" if a poor
>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>> buys it or a rich person buys it. It costs either one of them $15
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's fair
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you seriously think both are on the same budget???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Klaus has a point, but it isn't the one that you're thinking of.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The reason is that Klaus's analogy relies on an underlying
>>>>>>> assumption in his steak analogy, namely that a government service
>>>>>>> has an equal benefit to a poor person and a rich person. For
>>>>>>> example, a public road: the poor person may not have a car with
>>>>>>> which to use that service benefit, whereas the rich person not only
>>>>>>> uses the roads, but his customers do too. As such, the rich person
>>>>>>> benefits _more_ from that service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whereas the poor person benefits more from police protection given
>>>>>> the rich guy has hired private security for his protection.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not at all, for even if a rich guy hires private security, it is done
>>>>> to increase the existing security to above what the public gets:
>>>>
>>>> No, actually it usually takes over totally, with the only condition
>>>> being the criminal gets handed over to the police.. or perhaps not.
>>>
>>> Oh, so how much is this private security also out patrolling the poor
>>> neighborhoods to keep them from degrading? You know, "broken windows"?
>>
>> It's not their job.
>
> Yet you'll get upset when a guy's on a public right-of-way with a gun next
> to a golf course isn't detected by security fast enough!

Why would I be upset?

I would probably be that guy, and if not I almost certainly wouldn't care.

>> But you are free to go out on patrol in poor neighborhoods all you like.
>
> Functionally, I already do, by having an apportionment of my taxes which
> pay for the local municipality's police to patrol everywhere.

Then you don't. and it's pretty clear the police don't or why would the
crime be so high there.

Maybe we need to raise your taxes....

On 10/7/24 1:02 PM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> news:ve0t70$1olec$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 10/7/24 9:57 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>> news:vdp4j2$9f9b$2@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 10/4/24 11:20 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:vdom3g$764f$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> On 10/3/24 11:15 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:vdf28c$2c3hr$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>> [Default]  Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>>>>>>>> percentage of
>>>>>>>>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated
>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That point was "fair share".  Its metric was "percentage of
>>>>>>>> income", which is very consistent with how this topic is discussed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok.. a flat rate income tax all other taxes shall be revoked.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everyone pays the same rate on all income whether a billionaire
>>>>>>> or a beggar on the street.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> if unrealized income is taxed, then ALL unrealized income is
>>>>>>> taxed. From cardboard box the beggar set up a home in, to stock
>>>>>>> value increases, property and real estate. If you can't afford
>>>>>>> the tax you will have to liquidate assets to pay it. If the value
>>>>>>> declines later.. you don't get a refund.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is that what you had in mind.. or are you going to start making
>>>>>>> it unfair?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unrealized is already taxed, & if you were a homeowner, you'd know
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>> No it's not. Property tax assessments are regularly far below
>>>>> market value and are paid whether the house increased in value or
>>>>> decreased.
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't matter, because its not what you originally paid.
>>>
>>> Yep, but property tax is a different thing than income tax.
>>
>> You're right:  its functionally a *wealth* tax, the same as the
>> proposal that you're so upset about, and as such, it represents the
>> precedent that you've tried to suggest that should never be crossed.
>
> Excellent.. then let's apply it to ALL.

Gosh, its amazing how you've gone from "No, it doesn't exist" to "Okay,
then make everyone pay".

In the meantime, there's invariably already loopholes to hide/circumvent
what's been proposed, plus there's also known tax dodging done in at
least some of the 43 states which have a personal property tax (TPP):
it invokes the question of having a minimum threshold floor for
reporting so as to reduce its overhead expenses.

-hh

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
news:ve1b33$1or30$1@dont-email.me...
> On 10/7/24 1:02 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>> news:ve0t70$1olec$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 10/7/24 9:57 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:vdp4j2$9f9b$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 10/4/24 11:20 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:vdom3g$764f$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 10/3/24 11:15 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:vdf28c$2c3hr$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>>>>>>>>> percentage of
>>>>>>>>>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated
>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That point was "fair share". Its metric was "percentage of
>>>>>>>>> income", which is very consistent with how this topic is
>>>>>>>>> discussed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok.. a flat rate income tax all other taxes shall be revoked.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everyone pays the same rate on all income whether a billionaire or
>>>>>>>> a beggar on the street.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> if unrealized income is taxed, then ALL unrealized income is taxed.
>>>>>>>> From cardboard box the beggar set up a home in, to stock value
>>>>>>>> increases, property and real estate. If you can't afford the tax
>>>>>>>> you will have to liquidate assets to pay it. If the value declines
>>>>>>>> later.. you don't get a refund.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is that what you had in mind.. or are you going to start making it
>>>>>>>> unfair?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unrealized is already taxed, & if you were a homeowner, you'd know
>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No it's not. Property tax assessments are regularly far below market
>>>>>> value and are paid whether the house increased in value or decreased.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doesn't matter, because its not what you originally paid.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, but property tax is a different thing than income tax.
>>>
>>> You're right: its functionally a *wealth* tax, the same as the proposal
>>> that you're so upset about, and as such, it represents the precedent
>>> that you've tried to suggest that should never be crossed.
>>
>> Excellent.. then let's apply it to ALL.
>
> Gosh, its amazing how you've gone from "No, it doesn't exist" to "Okay,
> then make everyone pay".

Have to try to keep up with your goal post moves.

On 10/8/24 9:31 AM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> news:ve1b33$1or30$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 10/7/24 1:02 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ve0t70$1olec$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 10/7/24 9:57 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:vdp4j2$9f9b$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> On 10/4/24 11:20 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:vdom3g$764f$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>> On 10/3/24 11:15 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:vdf28c$2c3hr$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> [Default]  Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-
>>>>>>>>>>>> email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>>>>>>>>>> percentage of
>>>>>>>>>>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated
>>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That point was "fair share".  Its metric was "percentage of
>>>>>>>>>> income", which is very consistent with how this topic is
>>>>>>>>>> discussed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ok.. a flat rate income tax all other taxes shall be revoked.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Everyone pays the same rate on all income whether a billionaire
>>>>>>>>> or a beggar on the street.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> if unrealized income is taxed, then ALL unrealized income is
>>>>>>>>> taxed. From cardboard box the beggar set up a home in, to stock
>>>>>>>>> value increases, property and real estate. If you can't afford
>>>>>>>>> the tax you will have to liquidate assets to pay it. If the
>>>>>>>>> value declines later.. you don't get a refund.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is that what you had in mind.. or are you going to start making
>>>>>>>>> it unfair?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unrealized is already taxed, & if you were a homeowner, you'd
>>>>>>>> know that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No it's not. Property tax assessments are regularly far below
>>>>>>> market value and are paid whether the house increased in value or
>>>>>>> decreased.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doesn't matter, because its not what you originally paid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, but property tax is a different thing than income tax.
>>>>
>>>> You're right:  its functionally a *wealth* tax, the same as the
>>>> proposal that you're so upset about, and as such, it represents the
>>>> precedent that you've tried to suggest that should never be crossed.
>>>
>>> Excellent.. then let's apply it to ALL.
>>
>> Gosh, its amazing how you've gone from "No, it doesn't exist" to
>> "Okay, then make everyone pay".
>
> Have to try to keep up with your goal post moves.

Translation:
Scout can't publicly admit that he was factually wrong.
So he tries YA diversion: a lame face-saving attempt.

-hh

"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:v258gjpmf4ddrjc6cib589g34enutm2o50@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 08:58:56 -0500, "Scout"
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> in alt.atheism
> with message-id <ve0sfe$1ojth$11@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
>>news:5f40gjpuskk0sgncrffj8ui9575sa6dn67@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 14:02:42 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> in
>>> alt.atheism with message-id <vdhdg2$2r3or$1@dont-email.me>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 10/1/2024 1:37 PM, citizen winston smith wrote:
>>>>> On 10/1/2024 11:32 AM, Jimmy wrote:
>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All business owners pay taxes. We have to or the IRS comes after us
>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's time to stand up for the billionaires because where else will
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> money trickle down from?
>>>>>
>>>>> Giverment, duh.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's what you totalitarian fascists want, isn't it it?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Billionaires need protection, they're too weak to protect themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Red herring.
>>>>
>>>>Bottom 50% earned 10.4% of income, paid 2.3% of fed income taxes.
>>>>
>>>>Top 1% earned 26.3% of income, paid 45.8% of fed. income taxes.
>>>>
>>>>Top 1% of income tax payers paid more than the bottom 90% combined.
>>>>
>>>>We know who's really not paying their fair share.
>>>>
>>>
>>> How much is a "fair share" and how is it determined?
>>
>>BOOM....
>>
>>Wonderful question.
>>
>>
> Don't expect an actual answer.

Of course not... since he doesn't have one, and never will.

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
news:ve3eug$1or30$3@dont-email.me...
> On 10/8/24 9:31 AM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>> news:ve1b33$1or30$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 10/7/24 1:02 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ve0t70$1olec$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 10/7/24 9:57 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:vdp4j2$9f9b$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 10/4/24 11:20 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:vdom3g$764f$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>> On 10/3/24 11:15 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:vdf28c$2c3hr$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-
>>>>>>>>>>>>> email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>>>>>>>>>>> percentage of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated
>>>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That point was "fair share". Its metric was "percentage of
>>>>>>>>>>> income", which is very consistent with how this topic is
>>>>>>>>>>> discussed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ok.. a flat rate income tax all other taxes shall be revoked.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Everyone pays the same rate on all income whether a billionaire
>>>>>>>>>> or a beggar on the street.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> if unrealized income is taxed, then ALL unrealized income is
>>>>>>>>>> taxed. From cardboard box the beggar set up a home in, to stock
>>>>>>>>>> value increases, property and real estate. If you can't afford
>>>>>>>>>> the tax you will have to liquidate assets to pay it. If the value
>>>>>>>>>> declines later.. you don't get a refund.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is that what you had in mind.. or are you going to start making
>>>>>>>>>> it unfair?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unrealized is already taxed, & if you were a homeowner, you'd know
>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No it's not. Property tax assessments are regularly far below
>>>>>>>> market value and are paid whether the house increased in value or
>>>>>>>> decreased.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doesn't matter, because its not what you originally paid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, but property tax is a different thing than income tax.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're right: its functionally a *wealth* tax, the same as the
>>>>> proposal that you're so upset about, and as such, it represents the
>>>>> precedent that you've tried to suggest that should never be crossed.
>>>>
>>>> Excellent.. then let's apply it to ALL.
>>>
>>> Gosh, its amazing how you've gone from "No, it doesn't exist" to "Okay,
>>> then make everyone pay".
>>
>> Have to try to keep up with your goal post moves.
>
> Translation:
> Scout can't publicly admit that he was factually wrong.
> So he tries YA diversion: a lame face-saving attempt.

What facts? Apples aren't the same as Oranges?

Governor Swill wrote:
> They don't do anything to extend the lives of children.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill wrote:
> nobility should be tax exempt?

Why are you prosecution exempt?

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 08:33:08 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> in alt.atheism
with message-id <ve3ebo$278tk$12@dont-email.me> wrote:

>
>
>"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
>news:v258gjpmf4ddrjc6cib589g34enutm2o50@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 08:58:56 -0500, "Scout"
>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> in alt.atheism
>> with message-id <ve0sfe$1ojth$11@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
>>>news:5f40gjpuskk0sgncrffj8ui9575sa6dn67@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 14:02:42 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> in
>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <vdhdg2$2r3or$1@dont-email.me>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 10/1/2024 1:37 PM, citizen winston smith wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/1/2024 11:32 AM, Jimmy wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All business owners pay taxes. We have to or the IRS comes after us
>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's time to stand up for the billionaires because where else will
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> money trickle down from?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Giverment, duh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's what you totalitarian fascists want, isn't it it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Billionaires need protection, they're too weak to protect themselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Red herring.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bottom 50% earned 10.4% of income, paid 2.3% of fed income taxes.
>>>>>
>>>>>Top 1% earned 26.3% of income, paid 45.8% of fed. income taxes.
>>>>>
>>>>>Top 1% of income tax payers paid more than the bottom 90% combined.
>>>>>
>>>>>We know who's really not paying their fair share.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How much is a "fair share" and how is it determined?
>>>
>>>BOOM....
>>>
>>>Wonderful question.
>>>
>>>
>> Don't expect an actual answer.
>
>Of course not... since he doesn't have one, and never will.
>

No one seems to be able to answer that question.

--

Build a Wall.
Deport them all.

Go WOKE. Go Broke.

Stop DEI (Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy),
the Green Raw Deal, Income redistribution,
and Social anything.

Let them DIE.

Did the last sane person leaving California
remember to turn out the lights? The Rotten
Apple?

Facts are the reality whether or not you
want to hear them.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Chuckles Harris and her supporters like
the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

On Tue, 08 Oct 2024 15:32:29 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 08:33:08 -0500, "Scout"
><me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> in alt.atheism
>with message-id <ve3ebo$278tk$12@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
>>news:v258gjpmf4ddrjc6cib589g34enutm2o50@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 08:58:56 -0500, "Scout"
>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> in alt.atheism
>>> with message-id <ve0sfe$1ojth$11@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
>>>>news:5f40gjpuskk0sgncrffj8ui9575sa6dn67@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 14:02:42 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> in
>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <vdhdg2$2r3or$1@dont-email.me>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 10/1/2024 1:37 PM, citizen winston smith wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/1/2024 11:32 AM, Jimmy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All business owners pay taxes. We have to or the IRS comes after us
>>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's time to stand up for the billionaires because where else will
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>> money trickle down from?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Giverment, duh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's what you totalitarian fascists want, isn't it it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Billionaires need protection, they're too weak to protect themselves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Red herring.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bottom 50% earned 10.4% of income, paid 2.3% of fed income taxes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Top 1% earned 26.3% of income, paid 45.8% of fed. income taxes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Top 1% of income tax payers paid more than the bottom 90% combined.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We know who's really not paying their fair share.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How much is a "fair share" and how is it determined?
>>>>
>>>>BOOM....
>>>>
>>>>Wonderful question.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Don't expect an actual answer.
>>
>>Of course not... since he doesn't have one, and never will.
>>
>
>No one seems to be able to answer that question.

If you're shitting on a gold toilet seat, $750 is probably not your fair share.

--
Although Trump is not among Project 2025'- 34 authors, more than half are appointees
and staff from his time as president; the words "Trump" and "Trump
Administration" appear 300 times in its pages. At least 140 former Trump
officials are involved in Project 2025, according to a CNN tally. It’s
reasonable to expect that a second Trump presidency would follow many of
the project’s recommendations.

Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 28 days.

36) When none of the previous schemes worked, Trump and
his allies produced fake electoral votes cast by fake electors
in multiple swing states.

37) Trump tried to bully Vice President Pence into obstructing
the certification of the election.
"If Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election."

On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 03:34:51 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
<bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<ve4tkq$fgco$56@dont-email.me> wrote:

>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
>news:p42bgj165q03bqj32mmbipfq3rs2p9phhl@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 08:33:08 -0500, "Scout"
>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> in alt.atheism
>> with message-id <ve3ebo$278tk$12@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
>>>news:v258gjpmf4ddrjc6cib589g34enutm2o50@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 08:58:56 -0500, "Scout"
>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> in alt.atheism
>>>> with message-id <ve0sfe$1ojth$11@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
>>>>>news:5f40gjpuskk0sgncrffj8ui9575sa6dn67@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 14:02:42 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> in
>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <vdhdg2$2r3or$1@dont-email.me>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 10/1/2024 1:37 PM, citizen winston smith wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/1/2024 11:32 AM, Jimmy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes
>>>>>>>>>> you are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All business owners pay taxes. We have to or the IRS comes
>>>>>>>>>> after us
>>>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's time to stand up for the billionaires because where else
>>>>>>>>> will all
>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>> money trickle down from?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Giverment, duh.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's what you totalitarian fascists want, isn't it it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Billionaires need protection, they're too weak to protect
>>>>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Red herring.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bottom 50% earned 10.4% of income, paid 2.3% of fed income taxes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Top 1% earned 26.3% of income, paid 45.8% of fed. income taxes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Top 1% of income tax payers paid more than the bottom 90%
>>>>>>>combined.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We know who's really not paying their fair share.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How much is a "fair share" and how is it determined?
>>>>>
>>>>>BOOM....
>>>>>
>>>>>Wonderful question.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Don't expect an actual answer.
>>>
>>>Of course not... since he doesn't have one, and never will.
>>>
>>
>> No one seems to be able to answer that question.
>>
>
>You and I go to dinner. I get a 7-course meal, you get a cracker and an
>olive. I bet you could figure out what your fair share was in an
>instance.

Who pay the bill?

--

Build a Wall.
Deport them all.

Go WOKE. Go Broke.

Stop DEI (Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy),
the Green Raw Deal, Income redistribution,
and Social anything.

Let them DIE.

Did the last sane person leaving California
remember to turn out the lights? The Rotten
Apple?

Facts are the reality whether or not you
want to hear them.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Chuckles Harris and her supporters like
the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

On Wed, 09 Oct 2024 03:14:18 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 03:34:51 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
><bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
><ve4tkq$fgco$56@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
>>news:p42bgj165q03bqj32mmbipfq3rs2p9phhl@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 08:33:08 -0500, "Scout"
>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> in alt.atheism
>>> with message-id <ve3ebo$278tk$12@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
>>>>news:v258gjpmf4ddrjc6cib589g34enutm2o50@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 08:58:56 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> in alt.atheism
>>>>> with message-id <ve0sfe$1ojth$11@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:5f40gjpuskk0sgncrffj8ui9575sa6dn67@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 14:02:42 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> in
>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <vdhdg2$2r3or$1@dont-email.me>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 10/1/2024 1:37 PM, citizen winston smith wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/1/2024 11:32 AM, Jimmy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes
>>>>>>>>>>> you are.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All business owners pay taxes. We have to or the IRS comes
>>>>>>>>>>> after us
>>>>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's time to stand up for the billionaires because where else
>>>>>>>>>> will all
>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>> money trickle down from?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Giverment, duh.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's what you totalitarian fascists want, isn't it it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Billionaires need protection, they're too weak to protect
>>>>>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Red herring.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Bottom 50% earned 10.4% of income, paid 2.3% of fed income taxes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Top 1% earned 26.3% of income, paid 45.8% of fed. income taxes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Top 1% of income tax payers paid more than the bottom 90%
>>>>>>>>combined.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We know who's really not paying their fair share.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How much is a "fair share" and how is it determined?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>BOOM....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wonderful question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Don't expect an actual answer.
>>>>
>>>>Of course not... since he doesn't have one, and never will.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No one seems to be able to answer that question.
>>>
>>
>>You and I go to dinner. I get a 7-course meal, you get a cracker and an
>>olive. I bet you could figure out what your fair share was in an
>>instance.
>
>Who pay the bill?

You pay two thirds of it plus the tip.

--
Although Trump is not among Project 2025'- 34 authors, more than half are appointees
and staff from his time as president; the words "Trump" and "Trump
Administration" appear 300 times in its pages. At least 140 former Trump
officials are involved in Project 2025, according to a CNN tally. It’s
reasonable to expect that a second Trump presidency would follow many of
the project’s recommendations.

Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 28 days.

38) Trump invited a mob to the Capitol on January 6th
with his "Be there, will be wild!" tweet.

39) Sworn testimony alleges that when Trump was warned
that members of the crowd were carrying deadly weapons,
he ordered security metal detectors to be taken down.

Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:n4bcgjlevhq8gatcbpo8rk808q6hko1jg7@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 03:34:51 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <ve4tkq$fgco$56@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
>>news:p42bgj165q03bqj32mmbipfq3rs2p9phhl@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 08:33:08 -0500, "Scout"
>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> in alt.atheism
>>> with message-id <ve3ebo$278tk$12@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
>>>>news:v258gjpmf4ddrjc6cib589g34enutm2o50@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 08:58:56 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> in alt.atheism
>>>>> with message-id <ve0sfe$1ojth$11@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:5f40gjpuskk0sgncrffj8ui9575sa6dn67@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 14:02:42 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> in
>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <vdhdg2$2r3or$1@dont-email.me>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 10/1/2024 1:37 PM, citizen winston smith wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/1/2024 11:32 AM, Jimmy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes
>>>>>>>>>>> you are.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All business owners pay taxes. We have to or the IRS comes
>>>>>>>>>>> after us
>>>>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's time to stand up for the billionaires because where else
>>>>>>>>>> will all
>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>> money trickle down from?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Giverment, duh.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's what you totalitarian fascists want, isn't it it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Billionaires need protection, they're too weak to protect
>>>>>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Red herring.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Bottom 50% earned 10.4% of income, paid 2.3% of fed income taxes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Top 1% earned 26.3% of income, paid 45.8% of fed. income taxes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Top 1% of income tax payers paid more than the bottom 90%
>>>>>>>>combined.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We know who's really not paying their fair share.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How much is a "fair share" and how is it determined?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>BOOM....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wonderful question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Don't expect an actual answer.
>>>>
>>>>Of course not... since he doesn't have one, and never will.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No one seems to be able to answer that question.
>>>
>>
>>You and I go to dinner. I get a 7-course meal, you get a cracker and
an
>>olive. I bet you could figure out what your fair share was in an
>>instance.
>
> Who pay the bill?
>
We split it evenly, of course - Flat Tax.

Governor Swill wrote:
> You pay two thirds of it plus the tip.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
socks wrote:

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill wrote:
> $750 is probably not your fair share.

Silence, criminal:

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Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Baxter wrote:
> You and I go to dinner.

YOU GO STRAIGHT TO HELL!

No dinner.
--
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