"citizen winston smith" <sss@example.de> wrote in message
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> On 10/1/2024 11:09 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>
>>> A rich person buys Wagyu beef for $800/pound, a poor person buys
>>> hamburger
>>> at $3/pound - a poor person doesn't eat steak.
>>
>> Where are you buying Wagyu for $800 a pound, you stupid fucktard?
>>
>> I can buy 16 oz. wagyu ribeyes all day long for $85.
>
> $20-24 at Wal Mart.

Wow, so Wal-Mart carries $800/pound Wagyu beef at $20-24/pound.. no wonder
that company gets al that business.

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
news:vdhfak$2qm3f$1@dont-email.me...
> On 9/30/24 11:51 PM, T wrote:
>> On 9/30/24 15:23, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>> On 9/30/2024 2:38 PM,Fuckwit -hh wrote:
>>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>>>>> percentage of
>>>>>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated point.
>>>>>
>>>>> That point was "fair share". Its metric was "percentage of income",
>>>>> which is very consistent with how this topic is discussed.
>>>
>>> Wrong.
>>>
>>> A steak is $15.00 at the grocery store. It's "fair" if a poor person
>>> buys it or a rich person buys it. It costs either one of them $15
>>>
>>> That's fair
>>
>>
>> Do you seriously think both are on the same budget???
>
>
> Klaus has a point, but it isn't the one that you're thinking of.
>
> The reason is that Klaus's analogy relies on an underlying assumption in
> his steak analogy, namely that a government service has an equal benefit
> to a poor person and a rich person. For example, a public road: the poor
> person may not have a car with which to use that service benefit, whereas
> the rich person not only uses the roads, but his customers do too. As
> such, the rich person benefits _more_ from that service.

Whereas the poor person benefits more from police protection given the rich
guy has hired private security for his protection.

I suppose that means we should eliminate the police then?

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:vdhvk8$2tpsd$4@dont-email.me...
> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:vdhdg2$2r3or$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 10/1/2024 1:37 PM, citizen winston smith wrote:
>>> On 10/1/2024 11:32 AM, Jimmy wrote:
>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>
>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you are.
>>>>>
>>>>> All business owners pay taxes. We have to or the IRS comes after
> us
>>>> first.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's time to stand up for the billionaires because where else will
> all
>>>> our
>>>> money trickle down from?
>>>
>>> Giverment, duh.
>>>
>>> That's what you totalitarian fascists want, isn't it it?
>>>
>>>> Billionaires need protection, they're too weak to protect themselves.
>>>
>>> Red herring.
>>
>> Bottom 50% earned 10.4% of income, paid 2.3% of fed income taxes.
>>
>> Top 1% earned 26.3% of income, paid 45.8% of fed. income taxes.
>>
>> Top 1% of income tax payers paid more than the bottom 90% combined.
>>
>> We know who's really not paying their fair share.
>>
>>
>
> Let's look at a 50% flat tax:
> - the poor might not even have enough to eat, much less a roof over
> their head
> - the middle class would have at best an austere lifestyle, eat and
> house, nothing else
> - the well-off would be inconvenienced but have a normal life
> - the billionaires would not even notice except on spreadsheet numbers.

Baxter I hate to be the bearer of bad news.. well no, I'm not.. but did you
realize that the average person now pays 50-60% of their gross income in
direct and indirect taxes?

Look at the kids complaining they can't afford a house.

To put that in comparison in the 60's the average person paid a mere 18% of
their gross income in direct and indirect taxes.

Now who is to blame for all those taxes?

Maybe the issue is the government spends TOO much, taxes TOO much.. and
really isn't accountable for any of it.

"Yak" <yak@inbox.com> wrote in message news:vdjcng$37i22$1@dont-email.me...
> On 10/1/2024 7:12 PM, Baxter wrote:
>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:vdhdg2$2r3or$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 10/1/2024 1:37 PM, citizen winston smith wrote:
>>>> On 10/1/2024 11:32 AM, Jimmy wrote:
>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All business owners pay taxes. We have to or the IRS comes after
>> us
>>>>> first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's time to stand up for the billionaires because where else will
>> all
>>>>> our
>>>>> money trickle down from?
>>>>
>>>> Giverment, duh.
>>>>
>>>> That's what you totalitarian fascists want, isn't it it?
>>>>
>>>>> Billionaires need protection, they're too weak to protect themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Red herring.
>>>
>>> Bottom 50% earned 10.4% of income, paid 2.3% of fed income taxes.
>>>
>>> Top 1% earned 26.3% of income, paid 45.8% of fed. income taxes.
>>>
>>> Top 1% of income tax payers paid more than the bottom 90% combined.
>>>
>>> We know who's really not paying their fair share.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Let's look at a 50% flat tax:
>
> Let's not.
>
>> - the poor might not even have enough to eat, much less a roof over
>> their head
>> - the middle class would have at best an austere lifestyle, eat and
>> house, nothing else
>> - the well-off would be inconvenienced but have a normal life
>> - the billionaires would not even notice except on spreadsheet numbers.
>>

effectively we already have that, for some it might even reduce their
taxes..

I think rather than arguing who is or should be taxed more.. we should be
asked why taxes should be increased?

Maybe the real question should be how much of our money is being used/wasted
by the government and what spending should be limited to.

I think that would do more to resolve issues than arguing over who hasn't
yet been over taxed..

"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:psjnfjtirui9apf56n25l409mj6osimkfp@4ax.com...
>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>[Default] T <T@invalid.invalid> typed:
>>>>On 9/30/24 15:23, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A steak is $15.00 at the grocery store. It's "fair" if a poor person
>>>>> buys it or a rich person buys it. It costs either one of them $15
>>>>>
>>>>> That's fair
>>>>
>>>>Do you seriously think both are on the same budget???
>>>
>>>What's budget got to do with it, dumb ass?
>>>
>>>It's FAIR that BOTH pay the same price for the steak
>>
>> The only way it's "fair" is if you compare the accessibility and
>> prices of fast food burgers, such as McD's McDouble, it provides a way
>> to get beef but you sacrifice choice and quality.
>
>Why should anyone have to sacrifice choice and quality????

I mean, I don't think they should, but simple math tells us otherwise,
if they can't afford something, they will rarely get it.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:pk2sfjdn7656e44kilqeti5a2cjmqeao3o@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 06:29:54 -0400, Kimberly Cheatle Roofing
> <kim@roof-wisperer.guv> wrote:
>
>>Governor Swill wrote:
>>> Now, answer this: What is the final effective tax rate of the top 1%?
>>
>>The biggest problem we have is the Democrats giving away free stuff in
>>exchange for a vote. Should be illegal, not that the Democrats follow
>>the law.
>
> You mean like free prescription drugs? (Bush)
> Free cell phones? (also Bush)

or the $2 Trillion in giveaways Kamala has been promising people?

https://nypost.com/2024/08/16/us-news/kamala-harris-unveils-economic-plan-including-a-whopping-1-7t-in-handouts-fed-ban-on-grocery-store-price-gouging/

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:psjnfjtirui9apf56n25l409mj6osimkfp@4ax.com...
>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>[Default] T <T@invalid.invalid> typed:
>>>>>On 9/30/24 15:23, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A steak is $15.00 at the grocery store. It's "fair" if a poor person
>>>>>> buys it or a rich person buys it. It costs either one of them $15
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's fair
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you seriously think both are on the same budget???
>>>>
>>>>What's budget got to do with it, dumb ass?
>>>>
>>>>It's FAIR that BOTH pay the same price for the steak
>>>
>>> The only way it's "fair" is if you compare the accessibility and
>>> prices of fast food burgers, such as McD's McDouble, it provides a way
>>> to get beef but you sacrifice choice and quality.
>>
>>Why should anyone have to sacrifice choice and quality????
>
>
> I mean, I don't think they should

Then why did you propose it?

>but simple math tells us otherwise,

Yep, but you've already ignored simple math so that really doesn't matter.

> if they can't afford something, they will rarely get it.

And why should that change?

Scout wrote:

>If he had no taxable income.. then why would he pay taxes on it?

The wealthy elites make the (unfair) rules. We have a corrupt system
where the wealthy can bribe lawmakers into creating unfair rules.

No reasonable person can pretend that this doesn't exist. No decent
person would call a system where billionaires pay no income tax fair.
It's *obviously* not.

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
news:6n6ufj9lb8stnfb6f65nmr5rp2m2qa4ca7@4ax.com:

> Scout wrote:
>
>>If he had no taxable income.. then why would he pay taxes on it?
>
> The wealthy elites make the (unfair) rules. We have a corrupt system
> where the wealthy can bribe lawmakers into creating unfair rules.

I'll disagree with your assessment because it's clear that you haven't
thought this through.

The "wealthy" have no need to pass said legislation because the
legislators in power are passing it to benefit themselves. See Nancy
Pelosi.

> No reasonable person can pretend that this doesn't exist. No decent
> person would call a system where billionaires pay no income tax fair.
> It's *obviously* not.

It's perfectly fair. You don't understand how taxes are applied and
business profits are taken.

Simplistically for this example, taxes apply to sales and paycheck
income. A smart person making money does not pay themselves, they take
non-taxable profit draws. That is how it works for business owners.

If there are partners, say four for example purposes. Should one of
those partners take a non-taxable profit draw, each one of the other
three partners gets the exact same non-taxable amount whether they want
it or not.

This is how Democrats hook suckers, by claiming the rich pay no taxes.
The rich pay plenty of taxes. They also take every possible deduction
they are entitled to in order to reduce tax liability.

If a high-earning business owner, millionaire or billionaire has to
give themselves a paycheck, their business is on the ropes because they
aren't making any profits. That paycheck income would be taxable.

Do yourself a favor, read up on how business finance and taxes work
before you vote this election.

On 10/3/24 11:15 AM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> news:vdf28c$2c3hr$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>> [Default]  Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>
>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>
>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>> paying.
>>>>>
>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>> percentage of
>>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>>
>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>
>>
>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated point.
>>
>> That point was "fair share".  Its metric was "percentage of income",
>> which is very consistent with how this topic is discussed.
>
> Ok.. a flat rate income tax all other taxes shall be revoked.
>
> Everyone pays the same rate on all income whether a billionaire or a
> beggar on the street.
>
> if unrealized income is taxed, then ALL unrealized income is taxed. From
> cardboard box the beggar set up a home in, to stock value increases,
> property and real estate. If you can't afford the tax you will have to
> liquidate assets to pay it. If the value declines later.. you don't get
> a refund.
>
> Is that what you had in mind.. or are you going to start making it unfair?

Unrealized is already taxed, & if you were a homeowner, you'd know that.

-hh

On 10/3/24 11:45 AM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> news:vdhfak$2qm3f$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 9/30/24 11:51 PM, T wrote:
>>> On 9/30/24 15:23, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> On 9/30/2024 2:38 PM,Fuckwit  -hh wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>> [Default]  Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>>>>>> percentage of
>>>>>>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That point was "fair share".  Its metric was "percentage of income",
>>>>>> which is very consistent with how this topic is discussed.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong.
>>>>
>>>> A steak is $15.00 at the grocery store. It's "fair" if a poor person
>>>> buys it or a rich person buys it. It costs either one of them $15
>>>>
>>>> That's fair
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you seriously think both are on the same budget???
>>
>>
>> Klaus has a point, but it isn't the one that you're thinking of.
>>
>> The reason is that Klaus's analogy relies on an underlying assumption
>> in his steak analogy, namely that a government service has an equal
>> benefit to a poor person and a rich person.  For example, a public
>> road:  the poor person may not have a car with which to use that
>> service benefit, whereas the rich person not only uses the roads, but
>> his customers do too.  As such, the rich person benefits _more_ from
>> that service.
>
> Whereas the poor person benefits more from police protection given the
> rich guy has hired private security for his protection.

Not at all, for even if a rich guy hires private security, it is done to
increase the existing security to above what the public gets: ironic
that in trying to debunk, you've actually supported my point, namely
that the rich have more to lose, and therefore gains more from such
government services.

> I suppose that means we should eliminate the police then?

Nah, the roads which you ignored as an example of one of many services
that governments provide: pay tolls on private roads everywhere. And
iIf you don't like paying for them, move to someplace that public
services aren't provided: Central & Western Russia comes to mind.

-hh

"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:6n6ufj9lb8stnfb6f65nmr5rp2m2qa4ca7@4ax.com...
> Scout wrote:
>
>>If he had no taxable income.. then why would he pay taxes on it?
>
> The wealthy elites make the (unfair) rules.

Sure, whatever.... attempt to change the subject is noted.

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
news:vdom3g$764f$1@dont-email.me...
> On 10/3/24 11:15 AM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>> news:vdf28c$2c3hr$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>
>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>
>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater percentage
>>>>> of
>>>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>>>
>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>
>>>
>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated point.
>>>
>>> That point was "fair share". Its metric was "percentage of income",
>>> which is very consistent with how this topic is discussed.
>>
>> Ok.. a flat rate income tax all other taxes shall be revoked.
>>
>> Everyone pays the same rate on all income whether a billionaire or a
>> beggar on the street.
>>
>> if unrealized income is taxed, then ALL unrealized income is taxed. From
>> cardboard box the beggar set up a home in, to stock value increases,
>> property and real estate. If you can't afford the tax you will have to
>> liquidate assets to pay it. If the value declines later.. you don't get a
>> refund.
>>
>> Is that what you had in mind.. or are you going to start making it
>> unfair?
>
> Unrealized is already taxed, & if you were a homeowner, you'd know that.

No it's not. Property tax assessments are regularly far below market value
and are paid whether the house increased in value or decreased.

What Kamala would do is tax you an additional 25% on any increases in the
value of your home in addition to property taxes.

"Andy" <invalid@none.none> wrote in message
news:9cbfddb66763cbee4fcf563cef3e95d7@dizum.com...
> On 03 Oct 2024, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
> posted some news:vdmf2e$3pnr3$31@dont-email.me:
>
>>
>>
>> "T" <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:vdhuh5$2tick$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 10/1/24 03:27, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> [Default] T <T@invalid.invalid> typed:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/30/24 15:23, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/30/2024 2:38 PM,Fuckwit -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>>>>>>>> percentage of
>>>>>>>>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated
>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That point was "fair share". Its metric was "percentage of
>>>>>>>> income", which is very consistent with how this topic is
>>>>>>>> discussed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A steak is $15.00 at the grocery store. It's "fair" if a poor
>>>>>> person buys it or a rich person buys it. It costs either one of
>>>>>> them $15
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's fair
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you seriously think both are on the same budget???
>>>>
>>>> What's budget got to do with it, dumb ass?
>>>>
>>>> It's FAIR that BOTH pay the same price for the steak
>>>
>>>
>>> You misread me. I was criticizing the "equality of outcome" crowd.
>>
>> Was there equality in input? If not how can you expect the same
>> outcome?
>
> Do it the Democrat way, raise the debt limit!

Sadly, in this respect both parties have terrible monetary policies... they
both spend money we don't have, the only difference is the excuses they make
for doing it.

All I can say, is in the future when we restructure government. the power of
taxation should be removed, as nations have regularly filed due to the
fiscal mismanagement of government.

I put it to you. why should the government to day get a larger percentage of
the GNP than they did 10, 20, 40, 60, 100 years ago?

Their only solution to deficits is to increase taxation.. and then increase
the spending some more.

in 2023 the federal government took in $4.4 Trillion and spent $6.13
Trillion, and now owe $33.17 Trillion.

That would be like you:
2023
Earning $44,000
Spending $61,300
Debt: $331,700
Debt Interest: $10,000

Looks to me as if you would have to get spending down to $34,000 just to be
treading water.
Looks like we really need to cut spending by at least 50%
then maybe in 75 years we could pay off the national debt.

Otherwise, it's isn't a question of whether the nation will be bankrupt but
only a question of when do we admit it

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
news:vdom3i$764f$2@dont-email.me...
> On 10/3/24 11:45 AM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>> news:vdhfak$2qm3f$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 9/30/24 11:51 PM, T wrote:
>>>> On 9/30/24 15:23, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>> On 9/30/2024 2:38 PM,Fuckwit -hh wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>>>>>>> percentage of
>>>>>>>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That point was "fair share". Its metric was "percentage of income",
>>>>>>> which is very consistent with how this topic is discussed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> A steak is $15.00 at the grocery store. It's "fair" if a poor person
>>>>> buys it or a rich person buys it. It costs either one of them $15
>>>>>
>>>>> That's fair
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you seriously think both are on the same budget???
>>>
>>>
>>> Klaus has a point, but it isn't the one that you're thinking of.
>>>
>>> The reason is that Klaus's analogy relies on an underlying assumption in
>>> his steak analogy, namely that a government service has an equal benefit
>>> to a poor person and a rich person. For example, a public road: the
>>> poor person may not have a car with which to use that service benefit,
>>> whereas the rich person not only uses the roads, but his customers do
>>> too. As such, the rich person benefits _more_ from that service.
>>
>> Whereas the poor person benefits more from police protection given the
>> rich guy has hired private security for his protection.
>
> Not at all, for even if a rich guy hires private security, it is done to
> increase the existing security to above what the public gets:

No, actually it usually takes over totally, with the only condition being
the criminal gets handed over to the police.. or perhaps not.

On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 14:02:42 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> in
alt.atheism with message-id <vdhdg2$2r3or$1@dont-email.me>
wrote:

>On 10/1/2024 1:37 PM, citizen winston smith wrote:
>> On 10/1/2024 11:32 AM, Jimmy wrote:
>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>
>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you are.
>>>>
>>>> All business owners pay taxes.  We have to or the IRS comes after us
>>> first.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's time to stand up for the billionaires because where else will all
>>> our
>>> money trickle down from?
>>
>> Giverment, duh.
>>
>> That's what you totalitarian fascists want, isn't it it?
>>
>>> Billionaires need protection, they're too weak to protect themselves.
>>
>> Red herring.
>
>Bottom 50% earned 10.4% of income, paid 2.3% of fed income taxes.
>
>Top 1% earned 26.3% of income, paid 45.8% of fed. income taxes.
>
>Top 1% of income tax payers paid more than the bottom 90% combined.
>
>We know who's really not paying their fair share.
>

How much is a "fair share" and how is it determined?

--

Build a Wall.
Deport them all.

Go WOKE. Go Broke.

Stop DEI (Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy),
the Green Raw Deal, Income redistribution,
and Social anything.

Let them DIE.

Did the last sane person leaving California
remember to turn out the lights? The Rotten
Apple?

Facts are the reality whether or not you
want to hear them.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Chuckles Harris and her supporters like
the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 16:18:38 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> in
alt.atheism with message-id <vdhlet$2s9fk$1@dont-email.me>
wrote:

>On 10/1/2024 2:02 PM, Yak wrote:
>> On 10/1/2024 1:37 PM, citizen winston smith wrote:
>>> On 10/1/2024 11:32 AM, Jimmy wrote:
>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>
>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you are.
>>>>>
>>>>> All business owners pay taxes.  We have to or the IRS comes after us
>>>> first.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's time to stand up for the billionaires because where else will
>>>> all our
>>>> money trickle down from?
>>>
>>> Giverment, duh.
>>>
>>> That's what you totalitarian fascists want, isn't it it?
>>>
>>>> Billionaires need protection, they're too weak to protect themselves.
>>>
>>> Red herring.
>>
>> Bottom 50% earned 10.4% of income, paid 2.3% of fed income taxes.
>>
>> Top 1% earned 26.3% of income, paid 45.8% of fed. income taxes.
>>
>> Top 1% of income tax payers paid more than the bottom 90% combined.
>>
>> We know who's really not paying their fair share.
>>
>>
>
>
>Interesting numbers but they don't tell the whole story.
>
>Should a widow living on $800 a month SS pay more so the top 1% can pay
>less?
>
>Should the top 1% give more of their corporate profits to workers in
>higher wages so they can pay more taxes?
>
>Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, earns around $7.99 million per hour.
>This is based on his net worth increasing by $70 billion in 2023, from
>$107 billion to $177 billion. Bezos's wealth growth is largely due to
>the value of Amazon stock, which he owns around 9% of.

Start a company, grow it to the size of Amazon, and you too
can have as much as Jeff Bezos.

>
>How Much Does Elon Musk Make an Hour. The quick answer—Elon Musk makes
>around $1.6 million per hour. This is based on his net worth that rose
>by $143.9 billion in the past decade until early 2023. That's 220,690
>times the federal minimum wage

Start as many successful companies as he has and you to can
have $143 billion.

>

--

Build a Wall.
Deport them all.

Go WOKE. Go Broke.

Stop DEI (Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy),
the Green Raw Deal, Income redistribution,
and Social anything.

Let them DIE.

Did the last sane person leaving California
remember to turn out the lights? The Rotten
Apple?

Facts are the reality whether or not you
want to hear them.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Chuckles Harris and her supporters like
the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

On 10/4/24 11:39 AM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> news:vdom3i$764f$2@dont-email.me...
>> On 10/3/24 11:45 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>> news:vdhfak$2qm3f$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 9/30/24 11:51 PM, T wrote:
>>>>> On 9/30/24 15:23, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/30/2024 2:38 PM,Fuckwit  -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>> [Default]  Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>>>>>>>> percentage of
>>>>>>>>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated
>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That point was "fair share".  Its metric was "percentage of
>>>>>>>> income",
>>>>>>>> which is very consistent with how this topic is discussed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A steak is $15.00 at the grocery store. It's "fair" if a poor person
>>>>>> buys it or a rich person buys it. It costs either one of them $15
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's fair
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you seriously think both are on the same budget???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Klaus has a point, but it isn't the one that you're thinking of.
>>>>
>>>> The reason is that Klaus's analogy relies on an underlying
>>>> assumption in his steak analogy, namely that a government service
>>>> has an equal benefit to a poor person and a rich person.  For
>>>> example, a public road:  the poor person may not have a car with
>>>> which to use that service benefit, whereas the rich person not only
>>>> uses the roads, but his customers do too.  As such, the rich person
>>>> benefits _more_ from that service.
>>>
>>> Whereas the poor person benefits more from police protection given
>>> the rich guy has hired private security for his protection.
>>
>> Not at all, for even if a rich guy hires private security, it is done
>> to increase the existing security to above what the public gets:
>
> No, actually it usually takes over totally, with the only condition
> being the criminal gets handed over to the police.. or perhaps not.

Oh, so how much is this private security also out patrolling the poor
neighborhoods to keep them from degrading? You know, "broken windows"?

-hh

On 10/4/24 11:20 AM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> news:vdom3g$764f$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 10/3/24 11:15 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>> news:vdf28c$2c3hr$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 9/30/24 1:08 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>> [Default]  Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>
>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:vddo52$1u779$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/29/24 22:58, me too wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And when the populace is asked what percentage that "fair
>>>>>>> share" is, it is usually under what they are already
>>>>>>> paying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, it's not - not when a teacher, or nurse pays a greater
>>>>>> percentage of
>>>>>> their income than a billionaire.
>>>>>
>>>>> They STILL pay less in taxes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> True, but that's being a tad dishonest in avoiding the stated point.
>>>>
>>>> That point was "fair share".  Its metric was "percentage of income",
>>>> which is very consistent with how this topic is discussed.
>>>
>>> Ok.. a flat rate income tax all other taxes shall be revoked.
>>>
>>> Everyone pays the same rate on all income whether a billionaire or a
>>> beggar on the street.
>>>
>>> if unrealized income is taxed, then ALL unrealized income is taxed.
>>> From cardboard box the beggar set up a home in, to stock value
>>> increases, property and real estate. If you can't afford the tax you
>>> will have to liquidate assets to pay it. If the value declines
>>> later.. you don't get a refund.
>>>
>>> Is that what you had in mind.. or are you going to start making it
>>> unfair?
>>
>> Unrealized is already taxed, & if you were a homeowner, you'd know that.
>
> No it's not. Property tax assessments are regularly far below market
> value and are paid whether the house increased in value or decreased.

Doesn't matter, because its not what you originally paid.

Plus your argument of below market value assessments also doesn't
matter, because they also locally control the % of the tax, so they just
tweak that up.

For example, A tax of 1% of 100% value, is (.01)*(1.00) = 0.01, which is
the same as a 1.25% tax on an 80% value: (.0125)*(0.80) = 0.01.

Once again, all you're showing us is simply that you don't really know
how this stuff really works.

> What Kamala would do is tax you an additional 25% on any increases in
> the value of your home in addition to property taxes.

Nope, for the proposal's minimum wealth threshold is $100M.

Take all of the COLA posters & add their net worths together to get a
total: you'll probably still be 50% short of the minimum threshold.

-hh

Attila wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 16:18:38 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> in
> alt.atheism with message-id <vdhlet$2s9fk$1@dont-email.me>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/1/2024 2:02 PM, Yak wrote:
>>> On 10/1/2024 1:37 PM, citizen winston smith wrote:
>>>> On 10/1/2024 11:32 AM, Jimmy wrote:
>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All business owners pay taxes.  We have to or the IRS comes after us
>>>>> first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's time to stand up for the billionaires because where else will
>>>>> all our
>>>>> money trickle down from?
>>>>
>>>> Giverment, duh.
>>>>
>>>> That's what you totalitarian fascists want, isn't it it?
>>>>
>>>>> Billionaires need protection, they're too weak to protect themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Red herring.
>>>
>>> Bottom 50% earned 10.4% of income, paid 2.3% of fed income taxes.
>>>
>>> Top 1% earned 26.3% of income, paid 45.8% of fed. income taxes.
>>>
>>> Top 1% of income tax payers paid more than the bottom 90% combined.
>>>
>>> We know who's really not paying their fair share.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting numbers but they don't tell the whole story.
>>
>> Should a widow living on $800 a month SS pay more so the top 1% can pay
>> less?
>>
>> Should the top 1% give more of their corporate profits to workers in
>> higher wages so they can pay more taxes?
>>
>> Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, earns around $7.99 million per hour.
>> This is based on his net worth increasing by $70 billion in 2023, from
>> $107 billion to $177 billion. Bezos's wealth growth is largely due to
>> the value of Amazon stock, which he owns around 9% of.
>
> Start a company, grow it to the size of Amazon, and you too
> can have as much as Jeff Bezos.
>
>>
>> How Much Does Elon Musk Make an Hour. The quick answer—Elon Musk makes
>> around $1.6 million per hour. This is based on his net worth that rose
>> by $143.9 billion in the past decade until early 2023. That's 220,690
>> times the federal minimum wage
>
> Start as many successful companies as he has and you to can
> have $143 billion.
>
>>
>

i dont know why some people have beef with elon, he is among the
top 10 genuinely most important humans on this planet at the moment.

On 10/4/2024 12:12 PM, shogun wrote:
> Attila wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 16:18:38 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> in
>> alt.atheism with message-id <vdhlet$2s9fk$1@dont-email.me>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/1/2024 2:02 PM, Yak wrote:
>>>> On 10/1/2024 1:37 PM, citizen winston smith wrote:
>>>>> On 10/1/2024 11:32 AM, Jimmy wrote:
>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All business owners pay taxes.  We have to or the IRS comes after us
>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's time to stand up for the billionaires because where else will
>>>>>> all our
>>>>>> money trickle down from?
>>>>>
>>>>> Giverment, duh.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's what you totalitarian fascists want, isn't it it?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Billionaires need protection, they're too weak to protect themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Red herring.
>>>>
>>>> Bottom 50% earned 10.4% of income, paid 2.3% of fed income taxes.
>>>>
>>>> Top 1% earned 26.3% of income, paid 45.8% of fed. income taxes.
>>>>
>>>> Top 1% of income tax payers paid more than the bottom 90% combined.
>>>>
>>>> We know who's really not paying their fair share.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting numbers but they don't tell the whole story.
>>>
>>> Should a widow living on $800 a month SS pay more so the top 1% can pay
>>> less?
>>>
>>> Should the top 1% give more of their corporate profits to workers in
>>> higher wages so they can pay more taxes?
>>>
>>> Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, earns around $7.99 million per hour.
>>> This is based on his net worth increasing by $70 billion in 2023, from
>>> $107 billion to $177 billion. Bezos's wealth growth is largely due to
>>> the value of Amazon stock, which he owns around 9% of.
>>
>> Start a company, grow it to the size of Amazon, and you too
>> can have as much as Jeff Bezos.
>>
>>>
>>> How Much Does Elon Musk Make an Hour. The quick answer—Elon Musk makes
>>> around $1.6 million per hour. This is based on his net worth that rose
>>> by $143.9 billion in the past decade until early 2023. That's 220,690
>>> times the federal minimum wage
>>
>> Start as many successful companies as he has and you to can
>> have $143 billion.
>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> i dont know why some people have beef with elon, he is among the top 10
> genuinely most important humans on this planet at the moment.
>
>
>

^^_THAT!_^^

That right there is the reason why, toxic unbridled jealousy.

On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 18:12:22 +0000, shogun <f00@0f0.00f> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<3616e754-6faa-3340-67bc-1d61b4f5b69d@ashikaga.tokugawa>
wrote:

>
>i dont know why some people have beef with elon, he is among the
>top 10 genuinely most important humans on this planet at the moment.
>
>

Some people have always has a problem with anyone who has
more than they have. It's called envy.

The bigger the difference the greater the envy.

--

Build a Wall.
Deport them all.

Go WOKE. Go Broke.

Stop DEI (Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy),
the Green Raw Deal, Income redistribution,
and Social anything.

Let them DIE.

Did the last sane person leaving California
remember to turn out the lights? The Rotten
Apple?

Facts are the reality whether or not you
want to hear them.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Chuckles Harris and her supporters like
the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

On 10/4/2024 2:12 PM, shogun wrote:
> Attila wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 16:18:38 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> in
>> alt.atheism with message-id <vdhlet$2s9fk$1@dont-email.me>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/1/2024 2:02 PM, Yak wrote:
>>>> On 10/1/2024 1:37 PM, citizen winston smith wrote:
>>>>> On 10/1/2024 11:32 AM, Jimmy wrote:
>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All business owners pay taxes.  We have to or the IRS comes after us
>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's time to stand up for the billionaires because where else will
>>>>>> all our
>>>>>> money trickle down from?
>>>>>
>>>>> Giverment, duh.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's what you totalitarian fascists want, isn't it it?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Billionaires need protection, they're too weak to protect themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Red herring.
>>>>
>>>> Bottom 50% earned 10.4% of income, paid 2.3% of fed income taxes.
>>>>
>>>> Top 1% earned 26.3% of income, paid 45.8% of fed. income taxes.
>>>>
>>>> Top 1% of income tax payers paid more than the bottom 90% combined.
>>>>
>>>> We know who's really not paying their fair share.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting numbers but they don't tell the whole story.
>>>
>>> Should a widow living on $800 a month SS pay more so the top 1% can pay
>>> less?
>>>
>>> Should the top 1% give more of their corporate profits to workers in
>>> higher wages so they can pay more taxes?
>>>
>>> Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, earns around $7.99 million per hour.
>>> This is based on his net worth increasing by $70 billion in 2023, from
>>> $107 billion to $177 billion. Bezos's wealth growth is largely due to
>>> the value of Amazon stock, which he owns around 9% of.
>>
>> Start a company, grow it to the size of Amazon, and you too
>> can have as much as Jeff Bezos.
>>
>>>
>>> How Much Does Elon Musk Make an Hour. The quick answer—Elon Musk makes
>>> around $1.6 million per hour. This is based on his net worth that rose
>>> by $143.9 billion in the past decade until early 2023. That's 220,690
>>> times the federal minimum wage
>>
>> Start as many successful companies as he has and you to can
>> have $143 billion.
>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> i dont know why some people have beef with elon, he is among the top 10
> genuinely most important humans on this planet at the moment.
>
>
>
No doubt he is very successful building some very innovative businesses.

But that does not make him any less weird is some areas of life. He
says a lot of things people take issue with about life, family,
politics. When you do that you are subject to the same comments the
rest of us get. He wants people to have more babies, but really white
ones. He has twelve with three mothers. He can afford it.

Glen wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>>>If he had no taxable income.. then why would he pay taxes on it?
>>
>> The wealthy elites make the (unfair) rules. We have a corrupt system
>> where the wealthy can bribe lawmakers into creating unfair rules.
>
> (bullshit snipped)

The vast majority in congress paupers, when compared to the truly
wealthy.

Are you really going to deny that the wealthy elite lobby/bribe our
lawmakers for tax loopholes?

>> No reasonable person can pretend that this doesn't exist. No decent
>> person would call a system where billionaires pay no income tax fair.
>> It's *obviously* not.
>
> (bullshit snipped)

What you call a "smart person" is taking advantage of their undue
influence over the tax laws.

No one is a "sucker" to believe that it's unfair that a fscking
*billionaire* pays no income taxes. For years and years!

Do us a favor, and keep your "it's perfectly fair" bullshit to
yourself.

On 2024-10-04, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
> On 10/4/2024 2:12 PM, shogun wrote:
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 16:18:38 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> in
>>> alt.atheism with message-id <vdhlet$2s9fk$1@dont-email.me>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/1/2024 2:02 PM, Yak wrote:
>>>>> On 10/1/2024 1:37 PM, citizen winston smith wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/1/2024 11:32 AM, Jimmy wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Make them pay their fair share!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> She's either a stone cold liar or she's stupid and believes you are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All business owners pay taxes.  We have to or the IRS comes after us
>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's time to stand up for the billionaires because where else will
>>>>>>> all our
>>>>>>> money trickle down from?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Giverment, duh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's what you totalitarian fascists want, isn't it it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Billionaires need protection, they're too weak to protect themselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Red herring.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bottom 50% earned 10.4% of income, paid 2.3% of fed income taxes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Top 1% earned 26.3% of income, paid 45.8% of fed. income taxes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Top 1% of income tax payers paid more than the bottom 90% combined.
>>>>>
>>>>> We know who's really not paying their fair share.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Interesting numbers but they don't tell the whole story.
>>>>
>>>> Should a widow living on $800 a month SS pay more so the top 1% can pay
>>>> less?
>>>>
>>>> Should the top 1% give more of their corporate profits to workers in
>>>> higher wages so they can pay more taxes?
>>>>
>>>> Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, earns around $7.99 million per hour.
>>>> This is based on his net worth increasing by $70 billion in 2023, from
>>>> $107 billion to $177 billion. Bezos's wealth growth is largely due to
>>>> the value of Amazon stock, which he owns around 9% of.
>>>
>>> Start a company, grow it to the size of Amazon, and you too
>>> can have as much as Jeff Bezos.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> How Much Does Elon Musk Make an Hour. The quick answer—Elon Musk makes
>>>> around $1.6 million per hour. This is based on his net worth that rose
>>>> by $143.9 billion in the past decade until early 2023. That's 220,690
>>>> times the federal minimum wage
>>>
>>> Start as many successful companies as he has and you to can
>>> have $143 billion.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> i dont know why some people have beef with elon, he is among the top 10
>> genuinely most important humans on this planet at the moment.
>>
>>
>>
> No doubt he is very successful building some very innovative businesses.
>
> But that does not make him any less weird is some areas of life. He
> says a lot of things people take issue with about life, family,
> politics. When you do that you are subject to the same comments the
> rest of us get. He wants people to have more babies, but really white
> ones. He has twelve with three mothers. He can afford it.

People like Elon who think on a much different plain than normal people, even
super intelligent normal people, tend to be weird.
Not all of them but a good number.
He has done a lot of good for the world and I appreciate that.

--
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