On 7/9/24 8:39 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> Nobody should be expressing an opinion about systemd

I don't have to read anything about systemd. I've used it as it rolled
out and it sucked. It is broken by design. Not just systemd, but the
whole ecosystem around it. It was drummed up and created by a Eastern
European nut case with Microsoft envey.

Fortunately, even within the Linux space there are alternatives and that
reliable, predicable, secure and work quite well.

See Artix Linux

Nobody should have to used systemd. It is just crap and it is designed
like crap. You don't have to study it or read it or give it much
though. You just have to use it and then try something else and you are
amazed at how much better it is to run an OS that is not tied you a huge
clusterfuck of monolithic spagehetti code.

https://artixlinux.org/

On 7/10/24 5:25 AM, Borax Man wrote:
> Windows is easy when it works,

it never works. It has a built in shell now, so that is a HUGE leap
forward. But most of my users who have wiondwos can't even figure out
where the fuck their files are because they are being force fed online
services, desktops and virtual spaces,

On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 21:56:38 -0400, Popping Mad wrote:

> I don't have to read anything about systemd. I've used it as it rolled
> out and it sucked. It is broken by design.

Nobody should be expressing an opinion about systemd before reading this
first: <http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html>.

On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 22:22:07 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 10 Jul 2024 19:12:48 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> I was very happy when MS finally got around to multiple virtual
>> desktops. Most Windows users don't even know what I'm talking about.
>
> Probably because they still don’t work right. On Windows, they require
> cooperation from the app in order to work. On *nix systems, they don’t.

They're better than the third party attempts at least.

I did the Patch Tuesday update on my laptop today. It took a while but
didn't break anything as far as I can tell. Fedora only want to upgrade
26 packages today. Lot of qt6 stuff.

On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 21:58:58 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> As I used to say back in the mainframe days:
>
> Everybody uses COBOL because everybody uses COBOL.

FORTRAN. COBOL was for brain dead business people who loved to type...

On 11 Jul 2024 04:05:42 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 22:22:07 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On 10 Jul 2024 19:12:48 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> I was very happy when MS finally got around to multiple virtual
>>> desktops. Most Windows users don't even know what I'm talking about.
>>
>> Probably because they still don’t work right. On Windows, they require
>> cooperation from the app in order to work. On *nix systems, they don’t.
>
> They're better than the third party attempts at least.

Proprietary GUIs are just never designed to be customizable.

On 2024-07-10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:40:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> And the whole snowball effect of "everyone uses it so everyone knows how
>> to deal with its issues" thing.
>
> “Dealing with issues” usually means:
>
> * If it gives trouble, reboot it.
> * If it still gives trouble, reinstall.
>
> How many Windows users know anything beyond this?

A friend once worked in a shop where it was SOP to re-format
and re-install Windows on all machines every 6 months.

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | We'll go down in history as
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | the first society that wouldn't
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | save itself because it wasn't
/ \ if you read it the right way. | cost-effective. -- Kurt Vonnegut

On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 18:17:18 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2024-07-10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:40:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>> And the whole snowball effect of "everyone uses it so everyone knows
>>> how to deal with its issues" thing.
>>
>> “Dealing with issues” usually means:
>>
>> * If it gives trouble, reboot it.
>> * If it still gives trouble, reinstall.
>>
>> How many Windows users know anything beyond this?
>
> A friend once worked in a shop where it was SOP to re-format and
> re-install Windows on all machines every 6 months.

Why did I immediately think of this old, classic Verity Stob column:
<https://web.archive.org/web/20230530000448/http://www.drdobbs.com/cpp/state-of-decay/184405140>.

On 2024-07-10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:40:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> And the whole snowball effect of "everyone uses it so everyone knows how
>> to deal with its issues" thing.
>
> “Dealing with issues” usually means:
>
> * If it gives trouble, reboot it.
> * If it still gives trouble, reinstall.
>
> How many Windows users know anything beyond this?

Many don't. Interestingly, back in the early 2000s, when I was using
Linux (and some friends wondered why I would choose the 'difficult'
option), I had some of them over for a LAN party, and my system just
worked. Their Windows systems needed about an hour of mucking around to
get the networking to work. And they were people who were quiet adept
with computers.

I've had a friend move to Linux, and he got the hang of it. Part of the
reason is because it just didn't corrupt. I have had occasional trouble
with software (most recent was getting DXVK and Wine so SimCity 4 would
run smooth in 3D accelerated mode under wine).

On 2024-07-10, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 09:31 this Wednesday (GMT):
>> On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>>> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 10:25 this Monday (GMT):
>>>> On 2024-07-07, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>>>>> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 01:10 this Sunday (GMT):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
>>>>>> elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
>>>>>> part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
>>>>>> you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
>>>>>> others wouldn't?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For me, its
>>>>>> - fortune
>>>>>> - cowsay
>>>>>> - xpenguins
>>>>>> - fvwm(3)
>>>>>> - oneko
>>>>>> - emacs
>>>>>> - mc
>>>>>> - zsh
>>>>>> - asclock (using the FreeAMP theme)
>>>>>> - PCManFM
>>>>>> - star
>>>>>> - urxvt
>>>>>> - xpat2
>>>>>> - xlock
>>>>>> - links
>>>>>> - most
>>>>>> - lftp
>>>>>> - lzip
>>>>>> - xclip
>>>>>> - screen
>>>>>> - lrzsz
>>>>>> - gcc/g++/gdc
>>>>>> - nasm
>>>>>> - locate
>>>>>> - dar
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure I'm forgetting some here, but
>>>>>
>>>>> git obviously
>>>>> krita
>>>>> aseprite
>>>>> screen
>>>>> rxvt-unicode
>>>>> cool-retro-term
>>>>> audacious
>>>>> mpv (and the ffmpeg dependency)
>>>>> imagemagick
>>>>> picom
>>>>> vim
>>>>> n30f
>>>>> xscreensaver (yes i use it as my locker)
>>>>> screen
>>>>> less
>>>>> rofi
>>>>> bucklespring (optional)
>>>>> mc (optional)
>>>>>
>>>>> aptitude (if on debian based)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sidenote thank you for mentioning xpenguins i have been looking for a
>>>>> replacement for AMOR (amazing misuse of resources) forever since it wont
>>>>> compile for me under debian
>>>>
>>>> I always have both XScreenSaver and XLockmore.
>>>
>>>
>>> Do they work together?
>>
>> Not really! I generally just use xlock when I want to lock my screen.
>> XScreenSaver, well, my kids enjoy watching the bouncing cows, they think
>> its hilarious!
>
>
> Oh, IG I'll stick to XSS then. Do you run them directly from
> /usr/lib/xscreensaver? (or libexec)

Its built into the menu for FVWM. My FVWM config, which is based on an
old template that came with FVWM or FVWM95 has a menu for ScreenSavers
which lists the xlock ones and also for XScreenSaver to start it, or
start the demo. Thats perhaps why I use them, because in the very early
days when I started using Linux, I found them in the menu entry here.

On 2024-07-10, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-07-10, candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 09:31 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>> On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>>>> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 10:25 this Monday (GMT):
>>>>> On 2024-07-07, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>>>>>> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 01:10 this Sunday (GMT):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
>>>>>>> elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
>>>>>>> part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
>>>>>>> you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
>>>>>>> others wouldn't?
>>>>>>>
> [...]
>>>>>> I'm sure I'm forgetting some here, but
> [...]
>>>>>> xscreensaver (yes i use it as my locker)
> [...]
>>>>> I always have both XScreenSaver and XLockmore.
>>>>
>>>> Do they work together?
>>>
>>> Not really! I generally just use xlock when I want to lock my screen.
>>> XScreenSaver, well, my kids enjoy watching the bouncing cows, they think
>>> its hilarious!
>>
>> Oh, IG I'll stick to XSS then. Do you run them directly from
>> /usr/lib/xscreensaver? (or libexec)
>
> To lock a system running X11, there's also vlock -n -a (At least in the
> standalone utility I have in this distro, I think some other package now
> also provides a vlock with less features? Or am I misremembering?)
>
> But with vlock you don't get the fun and interesting part of watching
> screensavers.
>

vlock on my system only locks the terminal. Useful for a text based
terminal, not for X11.

There is the suckless version, slock, which only blanks the screen, very
mininal. I prefer the pretty pictures.

On 2024-07-11, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-07-10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:40:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>

iamb - for matrix
slrn - for usenet
aerc - for email
vieb - for http/s
w2m - for http/s
gopass - for passwords
amfora - for gemini protocol capsules
weechat - for IRC
signa-desktop - for messanging since I refuse to use whatsup or telegram
firefox - for work related content separated from personal one on vieb
openssh - for ssh
opendoas - instead of bloated sudo
calcure - for calendar connected to personal and work calendars
nextcloud-desktop - for my collective sharing of pictures, docs since i
have a degoogle phone and also use nextcloud there.
bottles/wine - for playing UO outlands and SWGemu
Sway/wlroots/foot - for desktop
neovim/nvchad - for coding/notes/documentation/organization
.... and more...

On 2024-07-07, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
> elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
> part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
> you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
> others wouldn't?

Some of these are too retro to be mainstream:

lshw - Linux equivalent to HP-UX ioscan
7-zip - extracts .7z files
ufiformat - formats USB floppies
kermit - data transfer over serial port
units - convert between different units
xclip - CLI access to copy/paste buffer

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 04:12 this Thursday (GMT):
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 21:58:58 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> As I used to say back in the mainframe days:
>>
>> Everybody uses COBOL because everybody uses COBOL.
>
> FORTRAN. COBOL was for brain dead business people who loved to type...

Then everyone used BASIC for a while.
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Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 11:54 this Friday (GMT):
> On 2024-07-10, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 09:31 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>> On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>>>> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 10:25 this Monday (GMT):
>>>>> On 2024-07-07, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>>>>>> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 01:10 this Sunday (GMT):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
>>>>>>> elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
>>>>>>> part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
>>>>>>> you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
>>>>>>> others wouldn't?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For me, its
>>>>>>> - fortune
>>>>>>> - cowsay
>>>>>>> - xpenguins
>>>>>>> - fvwm(3)
>>>>>>> - oneko
>>>>>>> - emacs
>>>>>>> - mc
>>>>>>> - zsh
>>>>>>> - asclock (using the FreeAMP theme)
>>>>>>> - PCManFM
>>>>>>> - star
>>>>>>> - urxvt
>>>>>>> - xpat2
>>>>>>> - xlock
>>>>>>> - links
>>>>>>> - most
>>>>>>> - lftp
>>>>>>> - lzip
>>>>>>> - xclip
>>>>>>> - screen
>>>>>>> - lrzsz
>>>>>>> - gcc/g++/gdc
>>>>>>> - nasm
>>>>>>> - locate
>>>>>>> - dar
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure I'm forgetting some here, but
>>>>>>
>>>>>> git obviously
>>>>>> krita
>>>>>> aseprite
>>>>>> screen
>>>>>> rxvt-unicode
>>>>>> cool-retro-term
>>>>>> audacious
>>>>>> mpv (and the ffmpeg dependency)
>>>>>> imagemagick
>>>>>> picom
>>>>>> vim
>>>>>> n30f
>>>>>> xscreensaver (yes i use it as my locker)
>>>>>> screen
>>>>>> less
>>>>>> rofi
>>>>>> bucklespring (optional)
>>>>>> mc (optional)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> aptitude (if on debian based)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sidenote thank you for mentioning xpenguins i have been looking for a
>>>>>> replacement for AMOR (amazing misuse of resources) forever since it wont
>>>>>> compile for me under debian
>>>>>
>>>>> I always have both XScreenSaver and XLockmore.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do they work together?
>>>
>>> Not really! I generally just use xlock when I want to lock my screen.
>>> XScreenSaver, well, my kids enjoy watching the bouncing cows, they think
>>> its hilarious!
>>
>>
>> Oh, IG I'll stick to XSS then. Do you run them directly from
>> /usr/lib/xscreensaver? (or libexec)
>
> Its built into the menu for FVWM. My FVWM config, which is based on an
> old template that came with FVWM or FVWM95 has a menu for ScreenSavers
> which lists the xlock ones and also for XScreenSaver to start it, or
> start the demo. Thats perhaps why I use them, because in the very early
> days when I started using Linux, I found them in the menu entry here.

Oh, interesting. XFCE doesn't have those, but the binaries are stored in
/usr/lib(exec)/xscreensaver so its easy to run from there.
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Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> wrote at 01:59 this Thursday (GMT):
> On 7/10/24 5:25 AM, Borax Man wrote:
>> Windows is easy when it works,
>
>
> it never works. It has a built in shell now, so that is a HUGE leap
> forward. But most of my users who have wiondwos can't even figure out
> where the fuck their files are because they are being force fed online
> services, desktops and virtual spaces,

Oh yeah, haven't they been linking Documents to OneDrive lately?
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rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> wrote at 13:29 this Friday (GMT):
> On 2024-07-11, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-07-10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:40:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>

Did you mean to reply to the top post?

> iamb - for matrix
> slrn - for usenet

Nice! I use it too.

> aerc - for email

I prefer a GUI for email specifically, bc of all the html emails that
break in something like mutt

> vieb - for http/s
> w2m - for http/s

Interesting, I've never heard of either. I usually use a combo of
Firefox, Chrom(ium), dillo, and surf.

> gopass - for passwords

I could never figure out how to get gopass to sync with my phone in a
reasonable way.

> amfora - for gemini protocol capsules
> weechat - for IRC
> signa-desktop - for messanging since I refuse to use whatsup or telegram
> firefox - for work related content separated from personal one on vieb
> openssh - for ssh

is there any other choice for ssh?

> opendoas - instead of bloated sudo

Eh, I'm fine with sudo but to each their own.

> calcure - for calendar connected to personal and work calendars
> nextcloud-desktop - for my collective sharing of pictures, docs since i
> have a degoogle phone and also use nextcloud there.
> bottles/wine - for playing UO outlands and SWGemu
> Sway/wlroots/foot - for desktop
> neovim/nvchad - for coding/notes/documentation/organization

I just prefer default vim

> ... and more...

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 22:21 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:40:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> Wait, subtitles were saved as bitmap images?
>
> In DVD-Video, they were called “subpictures”, and had 2 bits per pixel.
> That meant a choice of four different colour-table entries.

Interesting, so that's why some subtitles looked different.
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 22:19 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 09:31:00 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>
>> XScreenSaver, well, my kids enjoy watching the bouncing cows, they think
>> its hilarious!
>
> I would just leave it on “random” so you never knew which display it would
> run on the next activation. Some of them are just mind-blowing.

Same, tho at this point I'm used to most of the screensavers. I really
like BSOD tho.
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On 2024-07-12, Ben Collver wrote:

> On 2024-07-07, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
>> elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
>> part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
>> you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
>> others wouldn't?
>
> Some of these are too retro to be mainstream:
>
> lshw - Linux equivalent to HP-UX ioscan
> 7-zip - extracts .7z files

I stand by my choice of BSD tar for this! :-P

(Now seriously, the main benefit is that, being tar, it uses the tar
syntax for options and commands. Hopefully 7-zip is not like RAR where
some archive types aren't supported by at least some FLOSS libraries and
utilities?)

> units - convert between different units

I embarassingly admit I often use this to convert between tempC and
tempF. I ought to have memorized the conversion already :-P

> xclip - CLI access to copy/paste buffer

xclip can not only access the selections, it can also request different
targets and list the targets (xclip -o -target TARGETS) available.

For example, when copying from a web page on a mozilla-codebase browser,
it's possible to get the page URL using xclip, without having to copy it
separately.

--
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On 2024-07-12, Borax Man wrote:

> On 2024-07-10, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-07-10, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 09:31 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>>> On 2024-07-08, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>>>>> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 10:25 this Monday (GMT):
>>>>>> On 2024-07-07, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>>>>>>> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote at 01:10 this Sunday (GMT):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just wondering what programs (aside from the coreutils/X11 and other
>>>>>>>> elements that make up a basic install), do you consider to be a vital
>>>>>>>> part of YOUR Linux install? What are the little additional tools that
>>>>>>>> you can't live without, or just consider to be necessary that maybe
>>>>>>>> others wouldn't?
>>>>>>>>
>> [...]
>>>>>>> I'm sure I'm forgetting some here, but
>> [...]
>>>>>>> xscreensaver (yes i use it as my locker)
>> [...]
>>>>>> I always have both XScreenSaver and XLockmore.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do they work together?
>>>>
>>>> Not really! I generally just use xlock when I want to lock my screen.
>>>> XScreenSaver, well, my kids enjoy watching the bouncing cows, they think
>>>> its hilarious!
>>>
>>> Oh, IG I'll stick to XSS then. Do you run them directly from
>>> /usr/lib/xscreensaver? (or libexec)
>>
>> To lock a system running X11, there's also vlock -n -a (At least in the
>> standalone utility I have in this distro, I think some other package now
>> also provides a vlock with less features? Or am I misremembering?)
>>
>> But with vlock you don't get the fun and interesting part of watching
>> screensavers.
>>
>
> vlock on my system only locks the terminal. Useful for a text based
> terminal, not for X11.

"vlock -a" locks the "entire console display", -n creates a different
virtual console for vlock to be in while doing this from X11. I think -n
wasn't always necessary in the past, but at least the manual page
suggests it is needed now. (Either I'm misremembering or something
inside earlier versions used to do the -n part automatically?)
--
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On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 16:00:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 04:12 this Thursday (GMT):
>> On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 21:58:58 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> As I used to say back in the mainframe days:
>>>
>>> Everybody uses COBOL because everybody uses COBOL.
>>
>> FORTRAN. COBOL was for brain dead business people who loved to type...
>
>
> Then everyone used BASIC for a while.

Not really. I used FORTH, C, and assembler. I did do one project involving
BASIC but it was an attempt to speed up the BASIC the application people
used by preparsing it to a sort of IL for a runtime but I was working in
Z-80 assembler.

The only time I did much with BASIC was a follow on to the original
project. An AT used a number of satellite XTs to control the environmental
chambers. My contract was to develop the AT end in C. Someone else did the
XTs in BASIC. I eventually went back for 6 months to clean up and enhance
the XT code.It wasn't bad enough to do a complete rewrite.

I did do a patch on a legacy BASIC program about 20 years ago after
swearing everyone to secrecy. That was in the same category as when I
fixed the TV of a woman I was interested in and made her swear I didn't
know anything about TVs other than how to plug them in. She wanted to play
Pong and who was I to say no?

candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> wrote at 13:29 this Friday (GMT):
>> openssh - for ssh
>
> is there any other choice for ssh?

Alternative SSH implentations are PuTTY and Dropbear, probably
available as packages for most distros. Their private key formats
and configuration aren't compatible with OpenSSH or each other,
so it can take a little work to switch between them.

https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
https://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html

Mosh runs on top of OpenSSH and uses its configuration, but
switches the terminal connection over its own UDP-based protocol
which is designed to work better on slow internet connections and
withstand connection drop-outs. But on the down side it prevents
local terminal scroll-back from working and demands a UTF-8
character set. Sometimes it helps a lot, sometimes it hinders a
lot.

https://mosh.org

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candycanearter07 <candycanearte...@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> [c]:
c> is there any other choice for ssh?

dbclient - a lightweight SSH client by Matt Johnston and Mihnea Stoenescu

And dropbear is its server sibling.

On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 16:00:10 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 22:21 this Wednesday
> (GMT):
>
>> On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:40:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>> Wait, subtitles were saved as bitmap images?
>>
>> In DVD-Video, they were called “subpictures”, and had 2 bits per pixel.
>> That meant a choice of four different colour-table entries.
>
> Interesting, so that's why some subtitles looked different.

It meant they didn’t have to worry about fonts or different writing
systems. All the subtitle text was prerendered at authoring time.