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Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.4
From: CrudeSausage
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Le 2024-10-18 à 23 h 09, Phillip Frabott a écrit :
> On 10/18/2024 15:37, rbowman wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:25:02 +0100, Pancho wrote:
>>
>>> Although to be fair, I spent yesterday at my Mum's and tried to scrap
>>> her old Windows 10 PC for a new windows 11 PC. I've never used a Windows
>>> 11 PC. I lost the will to live, when the log on process demanded a PIN
>>> and a Microsoft account, no way could she understand that with her
>>> dementia.
>>
>> I don't know if they plugged the loophole but previously if it wasn't
>> connected to the internet you could create a local user and go on with
>> the
>> install.
>
> Last I heard you can't anymore. If you have no internet connection, it
> will create a temporary account but the moment you connect the machine
> to the internet it immediately forces you to make a Microsoft account
> which then replaces the temp account. The only way around that is if you
> have a AD/DC on the network and your using Windows Enterprise. Then you
> don't need a Microsoft account (nor do you need a Microsoft Azure/Work
> account either). I could be wrong but that's what I heard last from a
> buddy of mine who provisions windows machines for the company he works for.

I can confirm that a fresh installation of Windows 11 will require you
to log in (or create) a Microsoft account. This then enables OneDrive by
default and synchronization of your personal files with the cloud. You
can uninstall OneDrive and disable the synchronization later, but your
personal files will remain in C:\Users\User\OneDrive which I find annoying.

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Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.4
From: D
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On Sat, 19 Oct 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:

> Le 2024-10-18 à 23 h 09, Phillip Frabott a écrit :
>> On 10/18/2024 15:37, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:25:02 +0100, Pancho wrote:
>>>
>>>> Although to be fair, I spent yesterday at my Mum's and tried to scrap
>>>> her old Windows 10 PC for a new windows 11 PC. I've never used a Windows
>>>> 11 PC. I lost the will to live, when the log on process demanded a PIN
>>>> and a Microsoft account, no way could she understand that with her
>>>> dementia.
>>>
>>> I don't know if they plugged the loophole but previously if it wasn't
>>> connected to the internet you could create a local user and go on with the
>>> install.
>>
>> Last I heard you can't anymore. If you have no internet connection, it will
>> create a temporary account but the moment you connect the machine to the
>> internet it immediately forces you to make a Microsoft account which then
>> replaces the temp account. The only way around that is if you have a AD/DC
>> on the network and your using Windows Enterprise. Then you don't need a
>> Microsoft account (nor do you need a Microsoft Azure/Work account either).
>> I could be wrong but that's what I heard last from a buddy of mine who
>> provisions windows machines for the company he works for.
>
> I can confirm that a fresh installation of Windows 11 will require you to log
> in (or create) a Microsoft account. This then enables OneDrive by default and
> synchronization of your personal files with the cloud. You can uninstall
> OneDrive and disable the synchronization later, but your personal files will
> remain in C:\Users\User\OneDrive which I find annoying.
>

Nice... sounds like a beautiful GDPR fine waiting to be imposed. Shall we
say 4% of their global revenue? ;)

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.4
From: rbowman
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2024 18:37 UTC
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Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.4
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On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 09:35:31 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> Same here, I didn't even realize that the Thunderbird install I had was
> a Snap. Its performance is no different than what I get with a .deb of
> the same software. I haven't enabled Flatpak on this install mostly
> because I don't see the point.

The Thunderbird on the Ubuntu box isn't a snap. I must have used apt to
install it. I don't have it on the Fedora or Lubuntu boxes.

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.4
From: The Natural Philosop
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.linux.misc
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2024 18:39 UTC
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From: tnp@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
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Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.4
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On 19/10/2024 19:37, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 09:35:31 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> Same here, I didn't even realize that the Thunderbird install I had was
>> a Snap. Its performance is no different than what I get with a .deb of
>> the same software. I haven't enabled Flatpak on this install mostly
>> because I don't see the point.
>
> The Thunderbird on the Ubuntu box isn't a snap. I must have used apt to
> install it. I don't have it on the Fedora or Lubuntu boxes.

Neither on Ubuntu derivatives like Mint

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that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent
renewable energy.

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Le 2024-10-19 à 14 h 37, rbowman a écrit :
> On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 09:35:31 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> Same here, I didn't even realize that the Thunderbird install I had was
>> a Snap. Its performance is no different than what I get with a .deb of
>> the same software. I haven't enabled Flatpak on this install mostly
>> because I don't see the point.
>
> The Thunderbird on the Ubuntu box isn't a snap. I must have used apt to
> install it. I don't have it on the Fedora or Lubuntu boxes.

Well, mine is a default install and I can assure you that it is indeed a
Snap:

Nom Version Révision Suivi
Éditeur Notes
bare 1.0 5 latest/stable
canonical✓ base
core18 20240920 2846 latest/stable
canonical✓ base
core22 20240904 1621 latest/stable
canonical✓ base
core24 20240920 609 latest/stable
canonical✓ base
firmware-updater 0+git.7983059 147 latest/stable/…
canonical✓ -
gnome-3-28-1804 3.28.0-19-g98f9e67.98f9e67 198 latest/stable
canonical✓ -
gnome-42-2204 0+git.510a601 176 latest/stable/…
canonical✓ -
gtk-common-themes 0.1-81-g442e511 1535 latest/stable/…
canonical✓ -
makemkv 1.17.7 627 latest/stable
lucyllewy✪ -
snapd 2.63 21759 latest/stable
canonical✓ snapd
telegram-desktop 5.6.3 6246 latest/stable
telegram-desktop✓ -
thunderbird 128.3.1esr-1 532 latest/stable/…
canonical✓ -

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Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.4
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
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On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 11:31:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I have nostalgia for the days when people spent money on developing
> better products, not on lockins and marketing.

So long as the punters fall for the marketing, marketing will remain king.

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.4
From: rbowman
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2024 02:10 UTC
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On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 16:50:06 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> Well, mine is a default install and I can assure you that it is indeed a
> Snap:

Whatever.

snap list
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Tracking Publisher Notes
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stable canonical✓ base
brave 1.70.119 442 latest/
stable brave✓ -
canonical-livepatch 10.8.3 282 latest/
stable canonical✓ -
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stable vscode✓ classic
core 16-2.61.4-20240607 17200 latest/
stable canonical✓ core
core18 20240612 2829 latest/
stable canonical✓ base
core20 20240705 2379 latest/
stable canonical✓ base
core22 20240904 1621 latest/
stable canonical✓ base
core24 20240710 490 latest/
stable canonical✓ base
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stable canonical✓ -
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Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.4
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On 2024-10-19, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 19/10/2024 11:07, Andy Burns wrote:
>> rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> Pancho wrote:
>>>
>>>> I spent yesterday at my Mum's and tried to scrap
>>>> her old Windows 10 PC for a new windows 11 PC. I've never used a Windows
>>>> 11 PC. I lost the will to live, when the log on process demanded a PIN
>>>> and a Microsoft account, no way could she understand that with her
>>>> dementia.
>>>
>>> I don't know if they plugged the loophole but previously if it wasn't
>>> connected to the internet you could create a local user and go on with
>>> the
>>> install.
>>
>> They make it harder and harder to avoid creating the MS account, there's
>> still ways and means, but it's easier to install with a throwaway MS
>> account, then create a local account, make sure you save the BitLocker
>> encryption key which may get saved there, finally nuke the MS account
>> from the machine.
>>
> Its like owning an android phone. You seem to need a gmail account.

Only if you want to install additional apps that aren't in the
initial default set. The default set on a Schok Classic 4G flip
phone includes a web browser, an app to take photos, and several
other things. With a few/several steps to enable it, it even
allows developer mode and USB debugging, so that adb can be used
to retrieve the photos (but apparently not the content of text
messages).

> I have nostalgia for the days when people spent money on developing
> better products, not on lockins and marketing.

I'll second that. I also long for the days when development
money was spent on making a product _WORK_ and not just on making
it _SELL_. That's why I choose to use Linux. The only Microsoft
product I'm aware of in my house is on the laptop that belongs to
my employer.

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Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.4
From: CrudeSausage
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Le 2024-10-19 à 22 h 10, rbowman a écrit :
> On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 16:50:06 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>
>> Well, mine is a default install and I can assure you that it is indeed a
>> Snap:
>
> Whatever.
>
> snap list
> Name Version Rev
> Tracking Publisher Notes
> bare 1.0 5 latest/
> stable canonical✓ base
> brave 1.70.119 442 latest/
> stable brave✓ -
> canonical-livepatch 10.8.3 282 latest/
> stable canonical✓ -
> code 38c31bc7 169 latest/
> stable vscode✓ classic
> core 16-2.61.4-20240607 17200 latest/
> stable canonical✓ core
> core18 20240612 2829 latest/
> stable canonical✓ base
> core20 20240705 2379 latest/
> stable canonical✓ base
> core22 20240904 1621 latest/
> stable canonical✓ base
> core24 20240710 490 latest/
> stable canonical✓ base
> cups 2.4.10-1 1058 latest/
> stable openprinting✓ disabled
> dbeaver-ce 24.2.1.202409221725 324 latest/
> stable dbeaver-corp -
> dotnet-runtime-60 6.0.33+git.01dd97d 50 latest/
> stable canonical✓ -
> firefox 131.0.2-1 5091 latest/
> stable/… mozilla✓ -
> gnome-3-34-1804 0+git.3556cb3 93 latest/
> stable canonical✓ -
> gnome-3-38-2004 0+git.efb213a 143 latest/
> stable/… canonical✓ -
> gnome-42-2204 0+git.510a601 176 latest/
> stable canonical✓ -
> gtk-common-themes 0.1-81-g442e511 1535 latest/
> stable/… canonical✓ -
> hunspell-dictionaries-1-7-2004 1.7-20.04+pkg-6fd6 2 latest/
> stable brlin -
> nmap 7.95 3582 latest/
> stable maxiberta✪ -
> node 16.20.1 7581 16/
> stable iojs✓ classic
> ruff 0.6.6 1143 latest/
> stable lengau -
> slack 4.39.95 158 latest/
> stable slack✓ -
> snap-store 41.3-72-g80e7130 1216 latest/
> stable/… canonical✓ -
> snapd 2.63 21759 latest/
> stable canonical✓ snapd
> snapd-desktop-integration 0.9 178 latest/
> stable/… canonical✓ -
> tank-warriors 1.3 1 latest/
> stable ken-vandine✪ -

I have to say that having used both Snap and Flatpak, I prefer the
former. It actually takes into consideration the theme elements I've
configured unlike Flatpak. In the end, it's the application that matters
and both allow me to install a functional program, but Snap seems to be
better.

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

You will be misunderstood by everyone.

comp / comp.os.linux.misc / Re: Linux 6.11.4

Subject	Author
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Re: Linux 6.11.4	%
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Joel
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Pancho
Re: Linux 6.11.4	CrudeSausage
Re: Linux 6.11.4	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Pancho
Re: Linux 6.11.4	rbowman
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Joel
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Phillip Frabott
Re: Linux 6.11.4	CrudeSausage
Re: Linux 6.11.4	D
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Andy Burns
Re: Linux 6.11.4	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Robert Riches
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Linux 6.11.4	186282ud0s3
Re: Linux 6.11.4	CrudeSausage
Re: Linux 6.11.4	rbowman
Re: Linux 6.11.4	CrudeSausage
Re: Linux 6.11.4	rbowman
Re: Linux 6.11.4	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Linux 6.11.4	CrudeSausage
Re: Linux 6.11.4	rbowman
Re: Linux 6.11.4	CrudeSausage
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Nux Vomica
Re: Linux 6.11.4	186282ud0s3
Re: Linux 6.11.4	rbowman
Re: Linux 6.11.4	CrudeSausage
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Pancho
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Nux Vomica