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Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.4
From: CrudeSausage
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Le 2024-10-18 à 22 h 13, rbowman a écrit :
> On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 14:44:07 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> I'm using Kubuntu 24.04 myself and it is a very polished distribution.
>> If you hate Snap so much, enable Flatpak and move on. For my tastes,
>> Snap is quite fine.
>
> I've got a few snaps but Brave and Firefox are the two I notice because of
> the warning to update. Others line Dbeaver or nmap that aren't always open
> quitely get updated.
>
> Oddly Brave is a flatpak on the Fedora machine but Firefox isn't.

Same here, I didn't even realize that the Thunderbird install I had was
a Snap. Its performance is no different than what I get with a .deb of
the same software. I haven't enabled Flatpak on this install mostly
because I don't see the point.

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Le 2024-10-18 à 23 h 09, Phillip Frabott a écrit :
> On 10/18/2024 15:37, rbowman wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:25:02 +0100, Pancho wrote:
>>
>>> Although to be fair, I spent yesterday at my Mum's and tried to scrap
>>> her old Windows 10 PC for a new windows 11 PC. I've never used a Windows
>>> 11 PC. I lost the will to live, when the log on process demanded a PIN
>>> and a Microsoft account, no way could she understand that with her
>>> dementia.
>>
>> I don't know if they plugged the loophole but previously if it wasn't
>> connected to the internet you could create a local user and go on with
>> the
>> install.
>
> Last I heard you can't anymore. If you have no internet connection, it
> will create a temporary account but the moment you connect the machine
> to the internet it immediately forces you to make a Microsoft account
> which then replaces the temp account. The only way around that is if you
> have a AD/DC on the network and your using Windows Enterprise. Then you
> don't need a Microsoft account (nor do you need a Microsoft Azure/Work
> account either). I could be wrong but that's what I heard last from a
> buddy of mine who provisions windows machines for the company he works for.

I can confirm that a fresh installation of Windows 11 will require you
to log in (or create) a Microsoft account. This then enables OneDrive by
default and synchronization of your personal files with the cloud. You
can uninstall OneDrive and disable the synchronization later, but your
personal files will remain in C:\Users\User\OneDrive which I find annoying.

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CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.4
From: DFS
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On 10/18/2024 3:34 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 11:46:42 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> Local GuhNoo idiot Feeb says everything except math and physics
>> computation is "just a cheap appropriation" of computing.
>
> I'm reading Neal Stephenson's new book 'Polostan'. There is a character
> Fizmatov. When the main character asks him if it's an Ukrainian name he
> says that he made it up after the revolution (Russian) when people were
> adopting new name. He worked at the Physics and Mathematics Institute,
> thus Fizmatov.
>
> Another possible nym for Feeb.

A good one!

The sad wacko has already posted with 48 different nyms:

Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks
Alvin P. Picker
Bo Dai
Cy DeMillion
David Goray
DG
dgray
Diego Garcia
Dkjgkgjhsvb
Doctor Studd
Dr. R. James
F Russell
F. Russell
Fabian Russell
Farley Flud
FH
FR
fr314159@gmail.com
Frank Colessi
Frank Rifle
frussel@random.info
Gabriel Richard
Joe Fantastic
Joe Genteel
Johnny LaRue
Johnny Psa
L Thorpe
LAP
larry.a.piet@gmail.com (his real name)
Lester Thorpe
Leter Thorpe
Linux Baker
Lord Master
N-Body
Nux Vomica
Nuxxie
RottenRunt
Sally Spitzburger
Six Six Six Beast
Smith Squared
Strong Vile
Vile Strong
Vince Vandal
Widow Maker
Xavier Dominica
Z o h n n y P s a
Zohnny Psa

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.4
From: D
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On Sat, 19 Oct 2024, CrudeSausage wrote:

> Le 2024-10-18 à 23 h 09, Phillip Frabott a écrit :
>> On 10/18/2024 15:37, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:25:02 +0100, Pancho wrote:
>>>
>>>> Although to be fair, I spent yesterday at my Mum's and tried to scrap
>>>> her old Windows 10 PC for a new windows 11 PC. I've never used a Windows
>>>> 11 PC. I lost the will to live, when the log on process demanded a PIN
>>>> and a Microsoft account, no way could she understand that with her
>>>> dementia.
>>>
>>> I don't know if they plugged the loophole but previously if it wasn't
>>> connected to the internet you could create a local user and go on with the
>>> install.
>>
>> Last I heard you can't anymore. If you have no internet connection, it will
>> create a temporary account but the moment you connect the machine to the
>> internet it immediately forces you to make a Microsoft account which then
>> replaces the temp account. The only way around that is if you have a AD/DC
>> on the network and your using Windows Enterprise. Then you don't need a
>> Microsoft account (nor do you need a Microsoft Azure/Work account either).
>> I could be wrong but that's what I heard last from a buddy of mine who
>> provisions windows machines for the company he works for.
>
> I can confirm that a fresh installation of Windows 11 will require you to log
> in (or create) a Microsoft account. This then enables OneDrive by default and
> synchronization of your personal files with the cloud. You can uninstall
> OneDrive and disable the synchronization later, but your personal files will
> remain in C:\Users\User\OneDrive which I find annoying.
>

Nice... sounds like a beautiful GDPR fine waiting to be imposed. Shall we
say 4% of their global revenue? ;)

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.4
From: rbowman
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2024 18:37 UTC
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On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 09:35:31 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> Same here, I didn't even realize that the Thunderbird install I had was
> a Snap. Its performance is no different than what I get with a .deb of
> the same software. I haven't enabled Flatpak on this install mostly
> because I don't see the point.

The Thunderbird on the Ubuntu box isn't a snap. I must have used apt to
install it. I don't have it on the Fedora or Lubuntu boxes.

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.4
From: The Natural Philosop
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On 19/10/2024 19:37, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 09:35:31 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> Same here, I didn't even realize that the Thunderbird install I had was
>> a Snap. Its performance is no different than what I get with a .deb of
>> the same software. I haven't enabled Flatpak on this install mostly
>> because I don't see the point.
>
> The Thunderbird on the Ubuntu box isn't a snap. I must have used apt to
> install it. I don't have it on the Fedora or Lubuntu boxes.

Neither on Ubuntu derivatives like Mint

--
There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do
that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent
renewable energy.

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.4
From: CrudeSausage
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Le 2024-10-19 à 12 h 28, DFS a écrit :
> On 10/18/2024 3:34 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 11:46:42 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Local GuhNoo idiot Feeb says everything except math and physics
>>> computation is "just a cheap appropriation" of computing.
>>
>> I'm reading Neal Stephenson's new book 'Polostan'. There is a character
>> Fizmatov. When the main character asks him if it's an Ukrainian name he
>> says that he made it up after the revolution (Russian) when people were
>> adopting new name. He worked at the Physics and Mathematics Institute,
>> thus Fizmatov.
>>
>> Another possible nym for Feeb.
>
> A good one!
>
>
> The sad wacko has already posted with 48 different nyms:
>
> Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks
> Alvin P. Picker
> Bo Dai
> Cy DeMillion
> David Goray
> DG
> dgray
> Diego Garcia
> Dkjgkgjhsvb
> Doctor Studd
> Dr. R. James
> F Russell
> F. Russell
> Fabian Russell
> Farley Flud
> FH
> FR
> fr314159@gmail.com
> Frank Colessi
> Frank Rifle
> frussel@random.info
> Gabriel Richard
> Joe Fantastic
> Joe Genteel
> Johnny LaRue
> Johnny Psa
> L Thorpe
> LAP
> larry.a.piet@gmail.com (his real name)
> Lester Thorpe
> Leter Thorpe
> Linux Baker
> Lord Master
> N-Body
> Nux Vomica
> Nuxxie
> RottenRunt
> Sally Spitzburger
> Six Six Six Beast
> Smith Squared
> Strong Vile
> Vile Strong
> Vince Vandal
> Widow Maker
> Xavier Dominica
> Z o h n n y P s a
> Zohnny Psa

As long as you don't filter out his name, he's rather easy to block. I
haven't seen his shit in a while because he is so predictable.

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CrudeSausage
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Le 2024-10-19 à 14 h 37, rbowman a écrit :
> On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 09:35:31 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> Same here, I didn't even realize that the Thunderbird install I had was
>> a Snap. Its performance is no different than what I get with a .deb of
>> the same software. I haven't enabled Flatpak on this install mostly
>> because I don't see the point.
>
> The Thunderbird on the Ubuntu box isn't a snap. I must have used apt to
> install it. I don't have it on the Fedora or Lubuntu boxes.

Well, mine is a default install and I can assure you that it is indeed a
Snap:

Nom Version Révision Suivi
Éditeur Notes
bare 1.0 5 latest/stable
canonical✓ base
core18 20240920 2846 latest/stable
canonical✓ base
core22 20240904 1621 latest/stable
canonical✓ base
core24 20240920 609 latest/stable
canonical✓ base
firmware-updater 0+git.7983059 147 latest/stable/…
canonical✓ -
gnome-3-28-1804 3.28.0-19-g98f9e67.98f9e67 198 latest/stable
canonical✓ -
gnome-42-2204 0+git.510a601 176 latest/stable/…
canonical✓ -
gtk-common-themes 0.1-81-g442e511 1535 latest/stable/…
canonical✓ -
makemkv 1.17.7 627 latest/stable
lucyllewy✪ -
snapd 2.63 21759 latest/stable
canonical✓ snapd
telegram-desktop 5.6.3 6246 latest/stable
telegram-desktop✓ -
thunderbird 128.3.1esr-1 532 latest/stable/…
canonical✓ -

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Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.4
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
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On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 11:31:09 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I have nostalgia for the days when people spent money on developing
> better products, not on lockins and marketing.

So long as the punters fall for the marketing, marketing will remain king.

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.4
From: rbowman
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On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 16:50:06 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> Well, mine is a default install and I can assure you that it is indeed a
> Snap:

Whatever.

snap list
Name Version Rev
Tracking Publisher Notes
bare 1.0 5 latest/
stable canonical✓ base
brave 1.70.119 442 latest/
stable brave✓ -
canonical-livepatch 10.8.3 282 latest/
stable canonical✓ -
code 38c31bc7 169 latest/
stable vscode✓ classic
core 16-2.61.4-20240607 17200 latest/
stable canonical✓ core
core18 20240612 2829 latest/
stable canonical✓ base
core20 20240705 2379 latest/
stable canonical✓ base
core22 20240904 1621 latest/
stable canonical✓ base
core24 20240710 490 latest/
stable canonical✓ base
cups 2.4.10-1 1058 latest/
stable openprinting✓ disabled
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dotnet-runtime-60 6.0.33+git.01dd97d 50 latest/
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stable/… mozilla✓ -
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stable canonical✓ -
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stable canonical✓ -
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stable/… canonical✓ -
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stable lengau -
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stable canonical✓ snapd
snapd-desktop-integration 0.9 178 latest/
stable/… canonical✓ -
tank-warriors 1.3 1 latest/
stable ken-vandine✪ -

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.4
From: CrudeSausage
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Le 2024-10-19 à 22 h 10, rbowman a écrit :
> On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 16:50:06 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>
>> Well, mine is a default install and I can assure you that it is indeed a
>> Snap:
>
> Whatever.
>
> snap list
> Name Version Rev
> Tracking Publisher Notes
> bare 1.0 5 latest/
> stable canonical✓ base
> brave 1.70.119 442 latest/
> stable brave✓ -
> canonical-livepatch 10.8.3 282 latest/
> stable canonical✓ -
> code 38c31bc7 169 latest/
> stable vscode✓ classic
> core 16-2.61.4-20240607 17200 latest/
> stable canonical✓ core
> core18 20240612 2829 latest/
> stable canonical✓ base
> core20 20240705 2379 latest/
> stable canonical✓ base
> core22 20240904 1621 latest/
> stable canonical✓ base
> core24 20240710 490 latest/
> stable canonical✓ base
> cups 2.4.10-1 1058 latest/
> stable openprinting✓ disabled
> dbeaver-ce 24.2.1.202409221725 324 latest/
> stable dbeaver-corp -
> dotnet-runtime-60 6.0.33+git.01dd97d 50 latest/
> stable canonical✓ -
> firefox 131.0.2-1 5091 latest/
> stable/… mozilla✓ -
> gnome-3-34-1804 0+git.3556cb3 93 latest/
> stable canonical✓ -
> gnome-3-38-2004 0+git.efb213a 143 latest/
> stable/… canonical✓ -
> gnome-42-2204 0+git.510a601 176 latest/
> stable canonical✓ -
> gtk-common-themes 0.1-81-g442e511 1535 latest/
> stable/… canonical✓ -
> hunspell-dictionaries-1-7-2004 1.7-20.04+pkg-6fd6 2 latest/
> stable brlin -
> nmap 7.95 3582 latest/
> stable maxiberta✪ -
> node 16.20.1 7581 16/
> stable iojs✓ classic
> ruff 0.6.6 1143 latest/
> stable lengau -
> slack 4.39.95 158 latest/
> stable slack✓ -
> snap-store 41.3-72-g80e7130 1216 latest/
> stable/… canonical✓ -
> snapd 2.63 21759 latest/
> stable canonical✓ snapd
> snapd-desktop-integration 0.9 178 latest/
> stable/… canonical✓ -
> tank-warriors 1.3 1 latest/
> stable ken-vandine✪ -

I have to say that having used both Snap and Flatpak, I prefer the
former. It actually takes into consideration the theme elements I've
configured unlike Flatpak. In the end, it's the application that matters
and both allow me to install a functional program, but Snap seems to be
better.

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

You have an ambitious nature and may make a name for yourself.

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Re: Linux 6.11.4	Joel
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Re: Linux 6.11.4	Pancho
Re: Linux 6.11.4	CrudeSausage
Re: Linux 6.11.4	DFS
Re: Linux 6.11.4	rbowman
Re: Linux 6.11.4	DFS
Re: Linux 6.11.4	CrudeSausage
Re: Linux 6.11.4	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Pancho
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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Re: Linux 6.11.4	Joel
Re: Linux 6.11.4	186282ud0s3
Re: Linux 6.11.4	CrudeSausage
Re: Linux 6.11.4	rbowman
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Re: Linux 6.11.4	rbowman
Re: Linux 6.11.4	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Linux 6.11.4	CrudeSausage
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Re: Linux 6.11.4	Nux Vomica
Re: Linux 6.11.4	186282ud0s3
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Phillip Frabott
Re: Linux 6.11.4	CrudeSausage
Re: Linux 6.11.4	D
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Andy Burns
Re: Linux 6.11.4	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Linux 6.11.4	rbowman
Re: Linux 6.11.4	CrudeSausage
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Pancho
Re: Linux 6.11.4	Nux Vomica